Youngkin’s Ministry of All Talents

by Shaun KenneyThe Daily Caller

has an article on how Republican governor-elect Glenn Youngkin’s new selection for Secretary of Education was the founder and CEO of Data Quality Campaign (DQC) — an organization which collected data on public schoolchildren, including their class schedules, grades, and other data in order to provide metrics to enhance student performance at a policy level.

The firm was so successful that Bill Gates threw $26 million at DQC, which like most corporate firms included some hat-tip to the wokeisme — my new favorite word — drive for equity. Which might offend me if not for the fact that every institution seems to have bent the knee to these modern-day Jacobins in order not to be cancelled, looted, spat upon, and so forth.

Obviously, The Daily Caller wants me to be outraged.

Equally clear is that “data” and “reason” are two very scary words for woke progressives who believe both to be inherently racist functions of the white patriarchy.

So, perhaps I’m not terribly exercised over this gotcha moment. After all, we can only test what we measure — which is what our Standards of Learning (SOLs) are designed to do and why they are so viscerally hated by the Virginia Education Association (VEA) whose mission nowadays seems to be to push parents away from children and then lament how student performance is lagging.

In fact, maybe we want more data and analytics. Yes, it can be done in a manner that protects privacy. Yes, we all know that education in Virginia requires better analytics. Yes, we know that charter schools and school choice must be a part of this schematic.

What scares the political left — of course — is that metrics mean that we get to hold a system that spends $12,000 per pupil each year to task.

In short, data and metrics are good. They are the two things that send shivers of fear up the spine of any bureaucrat. That we have an expert and innovator in the field at the helm of Virginia’s education system? One could imagine some public relations staffer clapping hands at the fact they got the story run in the conservative Daily Caller, but the fact of the matter is that Aimee Guidera’s approach with metrics is a sorely missing piece of education reform — and not just in Virginia.

If standards matter, data matters. Simple as that.

Cummings To Serve as Secretary of Finance of the Commonwealth of Virginia

From the Youngkin press team:

“Lowering taxes and restoring fiscal responsibility in Richmond is a primary focus of our Day One Game Plan, and Steve’s experience and expertise will help make sure we deliver real results for Virginians. Steve shares my vision of respecting Virginians’ hard-earned tax dollars and ensuring the Commonwealth’s budget is managed effectively and efficiently, and he has the skillset and leadership qualities that our team needs to make Virginia the best place to live, work, and raise a family,” said Governor-elect Glenn Youngkin.

Steve Cummings, a leader in Finance in the United States and abroad, and most recently President and CEO of Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group (MUFG) in the Americas, will join the Youngkin Administration as the Commonwealth’s next Secretary of Finance. 

Prior to his role at MUFG, Steve served as Chairman of UBS’s Investment Banking division in the Americas, served as Global Head of Corporate and Investment Banking at Wachovia Bank, and at Bowles Hollowell Conner & Co. where he was Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

There are a few things that are striking me about these cabinet appointments so far:

  1. They are truly independent of the Virginia political class. None of these names with the notable exception of Caren Merrick have even touched Virginia politics in any serious or tangible way. Richmond insiders will argue that this means they will not have the relationships required to get things done. Washingtonians will note that Youngkin probably sees this as a plus — and what’s more, the independence means they cannot be bullied.
  2. Each of these picks could be a governor in their own right. Cummings is a former CEO of Mitsubishi Financial Group. Merrick is a former tech CEO who is devoted to developing leaders and not just cogs in an economic machine. Guidera isn’t just a reformer, but one on the same lines as Michelle Rhee who famously took on the District of Columbia’s failing school system. These aren’t just accomplished people — these are nationally accomplished people.
  3. None of them are overtly political; thus far, all of them are technocrats. Successful technocrats, one might add. People who like developing systems and then watching them work.
  4. Here’s where the whole concern of relationships and access goes by the wayside. Youngkin is building a center of gravity here, not just doling out appointments to people who did him favors in 2021. These are serious people, with serious backgrounds, and serious experience that make people serious about government… well… positively giddy.

Of course, there are a few pitfalls. Relationships do matter in Virginia.

The bureaucracy isn’t precisely friendly to Republicans and hasn’t been since Reconstruction — yet it will yield to competent operators. House Republicans — eager to co-operate with the new governor — will still have to take on the House of Lords the Democratic-controlled Virginia Senate — and as General Jim Mattis reminds his Marines, the enemy (sic) does get a vote.

This column has been republished with permission from The Republican Standard.


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43 responses to “Youngkin’s Ministry of All Talents”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    So one aspect is the difference between running a tight fiscal ship the way the ship is already and the other is changing the ship and it’s direction AND maintaining fiscal integrity AND delivering better results.

    For instance,are either of these two appointments going to do the latter and if so what are their goals?

    You can gather data out the wazoo, but then one presumes it provides insight from which to formulate change.

    So the table is set (for the appointed so far) and we’re about to see what will be served.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Hogwash… er, I meant Hogwarts. Well maybe the Ministry of Magic, or maybe the Ministry of Misery. Time will…

  3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Cummings… more tax giveaways to the rich on the way… open your wallet…

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Festivus for the rest of us! I think he said “Festivus,” but it definitely started with an eff.

  4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Mr. Kenney is probably overstating matters when he says that House Republican are “eager to co-operate with the new governor.” Here’s Barry Knight (R-Virginia Beach), presumed to be the next chairman of the Appropriations Committee, “If we think we can do it, if the numbers crunch — we’ll absolutely look at it,” Del. Barry D. Knight (R-Virginia Beach) said of the tax cuts. But only, he added, if they can be done “without cutting services.”

    Not exactly overly eager.

      1. YellowstoneBound1948 Avatar
        YellowstoneBound1948

        Larry, Tennessee has a balanced budget and no income tax. Repeat, no income tax. Half of California is moving to Tennessee. How much of that business is Virginia getting? I should mention that of Tennessee’s 99 state reps, 74 are Republicans. Of Tennessee’s 33 state senators, 26 are Republicans. The governor, lieutenant governor, and attorney general are Republicans. So are Tennessee’s two United States Senators. So are nine of Tennessee’s eleven Congressmen (allowing for two monolithic black districts in Memphis and Nashville). And Tennessee and Virginia are next-door neighbors. So, why is Virginia always tied up in knots???

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Several states have no income tax but they have other taxes that are higher than other states with income taxes, like sales and real estate and othertaxes.

          Virginia tied up in knots? in what way?

        2. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          Virginia suffers from delusions of adequacy. It’s like a Potemkin Village, except on a statewide level.

          But if it helps anyone offended by these statements feel better, just remember:

          “To be a Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption or even on one’s mother’s side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to any foreign country and a benediction from Almighty God”

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Psst, Larry… don’t tell Yellowstone man but States without income tax have higher real estate tax. And, by most reports Tennessee ranks 28 v. Virginia #7 in quality of life.
        https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/quality-of-life-by-state

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          he won’t want to know… don’t ya know?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      At least we may avoid austerity just to please the anti-taxxers. Wait? You don’t suppose the anti-taxxers and anti-vaxxers are one in the same, do ya?

      If they bred, they’d be anti-anti-TV-axxers.

      1. YellowstoneBound1948 Avatar
        YellowstoneBound1948

        You’re so clever James, er, Nancy. Please see my reply to Larry the G, and then pour yourself another glass of sherry.

          1. Matt Hurt Avatar

            To be fair, how much of that can be related to federal spending? More federal dollars are spent in Virginia per capita than in any other state. Move DC to Nashville and those metrics would likely change. I would really like to see someone control for the impact of the federal government in Virginia’s economy.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Do you mean direct Federal spending for things like education or indirect through salaries for personnel?

            Most funding for education comes from the State and local, right?

          3. Matt Hurt Avatar

            I’m talking about the entire federal budget- direct payments to individuals, education, health care, defense, government contractors, etc, etc, etc. The federal Office of Budget Management site breaks those expenses down per state.

            The point is that Virginia is exceptionally well positioned to benefit from the redistribution of wealth by taxation of the rest of the country. This mitigates the impact of state policy that might otherwise undermine positive economic growth. Virginia benefits directly from the burgeoning federal government.

          4. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Basically, if Virginia weren’t such a large beneficiary of Federal largesse, the notsosmartsos in Richmond might have to grow a brain.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            we got some dueling narratives here. Here’s one:

            Business Facilities notes that Virginia has an unemployment rate of 3.6%, the 10th-lowest in the country, and it has a workforce of 4.1 million people as well as successful workforce programs, including the Virginia Talent Accelerator Program, a collaboration between the Virginia Community College System and the Virginia Economic Development Partnership that provides on-site work training, and Fast Forward Virginia, a VCCS program that provides industry credentials after a short-term training program that typically takes between six and 12 weeks.
            “I am proud of the work our administration has done to develop the strongest business-friendly environment in the nation,” Northam said in a statement. “During my term, we’ve attracted more than $80 billion in economic investment, creating more than 100,000 jobs — a record for any Virginia governor. Virginia has set a new standard for all other states. Companies want to invest here and create jobs here because of our welcoming environment, commitment to developing our workforce, and our existing infrastructure.”
            In July, Virginia was named the No. 1 state for business by CNBC for the second time in a row and five times in all.”

            I’m also quite sure Youngkin will also tout Virginia when these publications rank it high.

            The thing about Virginia is that BECAUSE of the Federal workforce, economic development – at least in the urban areas is not as critical as it is in states with smaller Federal workforces.

            But we act like it’s a FAULT of Virginia and that if they didn’t have the federal workforce, they’d be more like WVA or Kentucky.

            I’m not so sure because we also have one of the best educated work force in the nation – the type of thing that some employers (like Amazon) really want

            …. AND the major problem in rural Va where education is not as good in terms of highly educated/college educated.

            It’s chicken and egg. If you get a decent education in rural Va and then go to college – you don’t go back home because there are no jobs so you go to NoVa or similar.

            And employers who want highly educated workers are not going to go to rural Va because the workers they do have won’t transfer to rural Va because it lacks the amenities of Va’s urban areas.

            Finally, Virginia is not unique in this. The urban vs rural issue is endemic in a lot of states and getting worse as automation is eating up low-skilled jobs that used to be a rural advantage.

            We can induce Amazon, Facebook, Google and others to come to Va urban areas – we do that. But they don’t want to come to Va rural areas.

            That’s not the fault of our advantages with the federal workforce.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            Yes… but primarily because of the large number of Federal employees – as opposed to larger direct payments for “stuff’.

            We get our “share” of direct money for roads, Medicaid, education, etc but do we actually get more direct aid than other states?

          7. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Think about all of the income taxes paid by all of those federal workers. Then add to that all of the service industry folks who service all of those federal workers. Then add on top of that all of the military installations, and the industries which service them (only California has more). Then add all of the defense spending (only Texas gets more of that), as well as all of the infrastructure required to support all of that.

            The point I am making is that Virginia’s economy is more subsidized by the other 49 states than any other’s. That being said, it should be much easier for things to be better in Virginia than any other state.

            However, the problem of disparate outcomes is also more apparent in Virginia. Think about where the majority of those federal dollars are spent in the state, and how affluent those parts of the state are. Also think about how the more geographically isolated from those federal dollars, the less well affluent the area is.

            For example, the Bureau of Economic Analysis (linked below) posted the personal income by locality (they grouped cities in with their surrounding counties). In Virginia, 15 localities were in the top 10 percentile in the country. There were also 12 in the lowest 10 percentile.

            https://www.bea.gov/news/2021/personal-income-county-and-metropolitan-area-2020

            The point I’m getting to is that the federal government plays an outsized role in our economic development. Take the federal dollars out of the picture, and much of the economy and well educated work force goes with it. Comparing Virginia’s economy to Tennessee’s, which has significantly less federal presence than Virginia (government workers, defense, military installations, etc.) and claiming that the state government in Virginia is better at workforce development as measured by the GDP is not a fair assessment.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            Taking the disparities first. Seems like whether we talk about New York or California or even urban places in Tennessee, there are income disparities between urban and rural. I don’t think it’s unique to Virginia.

            Urban areas typically have more highly-educated workers and a wide/deeper ‘workforce” in general, whereas rural often has smaller numbers of workers and generally less well-educated.

            And in NoVa workforce training tends to be much more widespread and available. Over 60% of students in Fairfax go to 4-yr college with another 10-15% going to 2yr.

            In terms of Federal “subsidies”, think in terms of what a military base does for the local/regional economy in the many states that have them. They are so highly valued that Congressmen fight tooth and nail to keep them EVEN WHEN DOD says they need to close them to re-driect money to more important programs, i.e. the BRAC “wars’.

            So, yes, all states want these Federal installations and even beyond Military – say Atlanta with the CDC and Norman OK with the National Storm center.

            So DC is the HQ for the Federal Gov. Top level administrator work and live in NoVa and many major programs are administered in DC-Va-Md and that provides many jobs.

            NoVa is a hellhole traffic-wise. Even folks who make their good livings there say so and leave when they retire.

            Virginia has no need to increase development in NoVa. It’s already got all the elements it needs to attract more development and they ARE coming – like Amazon and other tech companies.

            Where Virginia does not do well in economic development is rural – the big disparities that you point out and we agree on. But again, that’s not unique to Va and IMHO, it’s not easy to fix because many rural folks don’t seem that interested in pursuing advanced education, and as important, are not willing to move to where the jobs are in the urban areas (or perhaps some do and that explains the population loss).

            Finally, what is Virginia NOT doing that it should be?

            Hope you and yours had good holidays!

          9. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Please take a peek at the table below to see how much of a divide Virginia has compared to those other states. Again, this is depicting the localities in each state that are in the top 10 percentile and the bottom 10 percentile in personal income in the country. Please note that this dataset combined cities with their surrounding counties.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d9c8463fac6f7f170fa6dd790dfa624d2cf835cc553a07d484624d749f284a7.jpg

            I am not smart enough to begin to know how to even begin to address this problem. I believe that this problem is primarily related to the redistribution of federal dollars to specific geographical regions in the state. I don’t believe that the federal dollars spent is the only metric, as those dollars attract other opportunities to those regions.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            When we say ‘ redistribution of federal dollars to specific geographical regions in the state. ‘ is it in terms of Federal jobs (as opposed to direct Federal entitlement money)?

            Virginia has two geographic advanatages that they did not create but are significant:

            1. – NoVa – HQ of many govt agencies which means many higher salary college educated personnel (who also wants schools to prepare their kids for college).

            2. – Newport News – highly paid unionized blue collar workforce – for building and overhauling warships.

            Neither of these two would be a “fit” for rural Va.

            Other states without a Federal presence DO economic development that targets companies that want higher educated workforces that typically are in urban areas – where many employer locate because of the abundant educated workforce.

            In less urban areas, economic development seems to often target less educated workforces for things like manufacturing and automobiles, and such and those companies find right-to-work states more appealing.

            But you said you did not know what to do about it – and you’re an education professional – and I guess I’m a little surprised.

            Are you distinguishing between people that can get a higher education and move to where the jobs are – verses – economic development for regions that are economically distressed?

            IOW, what should Virginia do about it’s rural economically distressed regions that education alone won’t necessarily help?

          11. Matt Hurt Avatar

            Well, if you look at much of rural Virginia, far southwest in particular, what you find is that the population is both shrinking and aging. The choices for young folks here are going into healthcare, going into education, getting the hell out of Dodge, or finding a way to get “on the draw”. If you’ve ever heard the Dwight Yoakum song “Readin’, Writin’, Route 23”, it was about the other side of the mountain in Kentucky, but the same thing happens in Southwest Virginia. Our best and brightest move on to better opportunities elsewhere. This has been going on since Stephen Austin left Wythe County for Texas in 1825.

            We do a pretty good job at educating our kids, but unfortunately, there’s very little opportunity for them once graduating, either high school or from university.

            At this point, I think the only hope for rural Virginia will be well to do retirees fleeing the outrageous taxes of the northern states (already happening) and IT professionals fleeing the chaos of urban centers, especially when Starlink becomes more available.

          12. LarrytheG Avatar

            Rural governance is different than urban governance also. Rural education is also. More basics and less amenities and such.

            Part of it economic necessity, but part of it just conservative thinking about what local govt should provide or not.

            And in that regard, perhaps it’s as much up to local governance to be an integral player in economic development as much as they might expect the state to “help’ them.

            The locality has to take the lead on things like internet, cell towers, parks & rec, library, YMCA, etc… They have to have a purposeful vision and strategy themselves that the State can add-to and build on.

          13. Matt Hurt Avatar

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a09c23929884901a8498ac69e817cc666636124d0a62eea1d889b75131fd3cd.jpg

            Famous quote of one of the founders of the Lenowisco (Lee, Wise, Scott, Norton) planning district. This reflects the reality that we can’t wait for help from Richmond. I wish these sentiments still existed.

          14. LarrytheG Avatar

            I think there ARE things the state CAN do but what they can’t do is change the way the economy works and evolves.

            Local/regional production of food and goods was the heart and soul of rural and rural town-centers and the rail that connected them and often ran down the middle of main street with shops on either side.

            It is no more, not in Va, not in much rural USA and really the world.

            We still “produce” food and goods in rural but more centralized and less distributed – much more efficiently and with automation so as to require far fewer workers.

            Chickens and other critters are grown by the thousands in controlled conditions that take a dozen or few workers and then processed by the thousands in plants that chill and freeze and distribute by truck and interstate.

            We now grow so much stuff, we have to store it and the govt has to buy some of it and/or limit production like for milk.

            Govt still tries to help. They offer taxapyer-provided incentives to try to attract the fewer and fewer industries that will locate rural but they get dinged for doing that also depending on their politics.

            Might be interesting to see how Youngkin approaches it.

          15. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Retirees moving to rural Viginia? Yea, because those twisty two-lane country roads with no shoulder and no streetlighting are just the cat’s meow for elderly drivers.

          16. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            ..

    2. YellowstoneBound1948 Avatar
      YellowstoneBound1948

      What do you want him to say? From someone who has spent four or five decades on the periphery (or within) state government, I expect more from you. No one realistically expects Knight to say, “We endorse Youngkin’s entire program.” Nor should you. Youngkin will develop an inner circle . . . eventually. He’s new. Give him time.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        i think he’s signaling that he’s not buying the Stephen Moore supply side idiocy. It boils down to what services the state supports and invests in with taxes and if you cut the taxes, services have to be cut – it’s a choice, and we’ll see what Youngkin has in mind, and I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but if Stephen Moore is involved, it does not bode well IMHO. Both Moore and Laffer had a major influence on tax-cutting in Kansas and it turned into a disaster that I’m pretty sure even GOP GA folks in Virginia will not sign on to – to their fiscal credit.

    3. tmtfairfax Avatar

      Dick, years ago I learned about the concept of “featherbedding.” It was common in many industrial settings. But now it’s found all over government. For years, Fairfax County Public Schools had 200 curriculum specialists. When parents and taxpayers complained, the Schools simply changed their titles.

      Back in the 1990s, former HEW Secretary of HEW, Joseph A. Califano, Jr., was interviewed in the Washington Lawyer (the official publication of the D.C. Bar) that the only reason the Department of Education was created was to appease the Teachers Unions.

      Look at the ratios between teaching and non-teaching staff from public universities and colleges now and 20 or 30 years ago.

      Government is necessary but government bloat is not. Let start the layoffs.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Richer jurisdictions in Virginia receive less education money from the state so not sure exactly what Youngkin might do. In Fairfax, the lions share of education funding comes from local real estate taxes, right?

        It would be up to Fairfax county taxpayers to make changes at elections if they want less money spend on education. You see that in rural Va but not as often in the richer urban jurisdictions.

        The schools I’m familiar with don’t have an excess of personnel… and many teachers are run ragged and need para help.

        I’m not sure someone at Youngkins level could look at a school and figure out where the ‘fat’ is or not anyhow and it’s up to the local BOS to determine whether or not to reduce funding and voters to decide if they support that.

        1. tmtfairfax Avatar

          Larry, did you read what I wrote? Our public school systems are bloated with non-teaching staff. Our colleges and universities are even more bloated with non-teaching staff. Arbitrarily lay0ff a good 1/3 of them and I doubt anyone would know the difference.

          Let anyone who doesn’t teach or assist with instruction like an aide in kindergarten write a justification for his/her job and let the teachers and parents decide whether that position is needed. I bet we’d have a huge reallocation in resources to the classrooms.

          When I started practicing law in the late 1970s, I shared a secretary with one other person. When I entered private practice in the late 1990s, I shared a secretary with two other people.

          Today, we have one paralegal/staff assistant who supports 10 attorneys. Changes in technology and systems has eliminated the need for more support.

          Our public schools are all about featherbedding outside the classroom. That doesn’t need to be.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            I did read it. On what do you base your opinion? Do you have facts and figures that actually demonstrate there is no need for them or that Virginia has more than other states or that across the board for all states there are more administrators than needed?

            What is the correct/justified percentage of administrators?

            I think it is easy to make the assertion, but until I see more than just the claim, I’m going to side with the educators who say they are needed versus those who just make wild claims with nothing to back them up.

            How about a more substantive discussion where you can do more than just make the claim that any/all administrators are not needed?

            List out the administrative staff for Fairfax, for instance.

            What percentage of Fairfax Schools is not instruction?

            Do you separate administrative staff from support staff – like maintenance, operations, food service, janitorial, transportation, etc?

            Merry Christmas to you and your family, TMT!

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        I agree with you. There is too much admin in public schools. One of the most frustrating aspects of K-12 to me is that, in order to increase their pay, good teachers have to get into middle management, i.e curriculum specialists, supervisors, etc. If only the schools could just figure out how to reward good teachers monetarily more than the average or subpar teachers, that would solve some problems.

        I think some people have read more into my comment than I intended. I was just reacting to the comment that House of Delegates Republicans were “eager” to cooperate with Youngkin. Barry Knight’s comment was an indication that some of them, at least, are not ready to endorse the governor’s agenda right off the bat. Every governor quickly learns that legislators, even those of his party, have a mind of their own.

  5. YellowstoneBound1948 Avatar
    YellowstoneBound1948

    Good gracious, everyone here is rooting for Youngkin’s failure. I’ve never heard such braying.

    Needy Virginians are depending on the the new governor and the outside talent he is bringing into state government.

    I am sure he would appreciate your help, not your cynicism.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “I am sure he would appreciate your help, not your cynicism.”

      I get you are from TN but you haven’t been paying attention to how Virginia Governors are treated round about these parts, have you… Don’t expect Youngkin to be afforded much of a honeymoon…

  6. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    “Relationships do matter in Virginia.”

    Yes, relationships matter, in Virginia and everywhere else. But results matter more.

    Governor Youngkin and the GOP-led House can go to Virginia voters and say that Virginians got a taste, during the past two years, of total Democrat leadership. The voters didn’t like the taste of the meal the Democrats served, and fired much of the kitchen staff.

    So, when the usual suspects in Richmond complain to their allies writing for the Post and Times-Dispatch that the mean-old Republicans are violating sacred norms of governing, by not listening to the people in Richmond with all the governing experience—the GOP can respond that there’s a reason they’re not doing what the “experts” want them to do. The “experts” had their shot.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Oh I think the GOP leadership in the GA will be a full participant and not let things go too bizarre….

      We’ll need more than rhetoric and blather to govern.

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Are you saying that Virginia Republicans don’t have the experience and talent that Youngkin needs or that Virginia Republicans have been so tainted or brainwashed by “Richmond” that he needs to look elsewhere?

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