Would TJ Be a Republican or Democrat Today?

Red or blue?

by Jim McCarthy

“Don’t know much about history,” admitted Art Garfunkel in the opening line of the 1978 Wonderful World hit song. History was but one of several subjects Mr. Garfunkel recognized as wanting in his store of knowledge. A few lines later, however, he was confident to assert that “one and one is two.” This elemental statement in the context of the first may characterize the general view of John Q. Public.

Wikipedia was created twenty-three years after Garfunkel’s lyrics, providing a ready antidote for the curious to “not knowing much” about a topic. The crowd-sourced online publication offers a baseline of information about scores of topics that can be further researched. It is with Wikipedia that we commence a threshold inquiry into the question of whether Thomas Jefferson today would be a Republican or Democrat.

The historical jury agrees that the Shadwell Virginia Plantation native, the nation’s third President, belonged to the Democratic-Republican party during his terms of national service. That political organization opposed the Federalists who were, at the time, characterized as advocates of central government control and aristocratic attitudes. Thus, in contemporary political party identity, Mr. Jefferson may be deemed moderately bipolar.

Notwithstanding the historical record, some collateral internet investigation revealed a heavily credentialled online journal, The Imaginative Conservative in 2012, confidently identifying Mr. Jefferson as one of their own:

From historian Dumas Malone, we can, if we wish, begin to discern the real Jefferson. And that Jefferson is, in the broad outline of American history, identifiable in no other way than as a conservative.

This “no other way than” designation and assertion prompt a subsequent question whether he might also be deemed woke or RINO in the eyes and lexicon of current conservatives. Might he possibly be a Democrat in Name Only (DINO)?

Before he passed, Jefferson described the design and inscription on his burial memorial to include that he was the author of the Declaration of Independence; of the Statute of Virginia for religious freedom; father of the University of Virginia. Alone, these three lifetime accomplishments are testimony to the depth and vision of his philosophy, education, and hopes for the United States to become that “more perfect union” sought in the Declaration.

The Virginia religious freedom statute replaced one that enshrined a state religion supported by a tax levy. Moreover, historians note that, based upon his affinity for John Locke (often called the father of liberalism) who urged that religious freedom include Muslims, Jefferson’s legislative measure was non-discriminatory and formed the essential provision of the First Amendment to the Constitution. It is a fact that his library contained a Qu’ran and, as a slave owner, he may also have had some familiarity with Islamic heritage of slaves, estimated to constitute 20% of that population. Historians estimate he owned 600 slaves during his lifetime.

Jefferson’s alma mater, the College of William and Mary, was founded in 1693 as an Anglican institution. Upon completing his undergraduate studies in 1762, he read the law with some of its faculty to qualify as a lawyer. When Virginia authorized creation of a public university in 1818, Jefferson began his plans for an academic village to create the University of Virginia with a curriculum modeled on European universities. He eschewed the religious tone of William and Mary as antithetical to an atmosphere of free inquiry, especially in science and philosophy.

Together, Jefferson’s efforts with respect to religious freedom and establishment of a sectarian university can be regarded as evidence of enlightened social and cultural awareness promoted in the Age of Reason in Europe. In today’s political currency, both could draw fire as woke or RINO-tinted views. Surely, DINOs would not object.

Jefferson has often been cited erroneously as favoring an unrestricted right to bear arms. His own writings, including drafts for the Virginia Constitution in 1776, state that “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms within his own lands or tenements.” This notable restriction, if it had been added to the language of the Second Amendment, clearly represented a proscription upon present day assertions that the right to bear arms should include possession of weapons of war such as artillery and missiles. In Jefferson’s view, Second Amendment sanctuaries would not exist for an entire Commonwealth county.

The Virginia icon’s relationship with Sally Hemings with whom he may have sired six children during a four decade period beginning around 1789 spanned his service as Secretary of State and, later, as Vice President and President. Although as yet conclusive proof of the relationship remains a subject of research and debate, its existence has received persuasive argument. Miscegenation was taboo in Virginia beginning in the 1600s. Until 1967, such an interracial relationship in Virginia continued to be illegal and criminally punishable in the Commonwealth (Loving v Virginia).

Today, contemporary political dialogue is peppered with pejorative epithets toward liberals, usually Democrats or social activists, as “woke.” The term had been preceded by others such as PC (politically correct), snowflake, and now amplified in combination with “virtue signaling.” In pursuit of a purer political ideology, the conservative branch of Republicans turned to labeling colleagues RINOs. Not to be outdone, some progressive Democrats have countered with DINO as a criticism of their colleagues.

For contrast and context, the term “woke” has also been expanded to bash the celebrity world as Hollywoke. Disney, Donald, Mickey and others in that most American universe have been saddled as woke because the company has taken issue with recent legislation in Florida. A new, internet marketed men’s razor brand asserts that its competitor is woke. Advocates of mandatory masks and vaccinations are woke as are any who urge public schools to engage in diversity/equity/inclusion (DEI) policies. And, of course, the ultimate scourge of anti-wokists is critical race theory or CRT.

Jefferson’s humor is generally described by historians as subtle. His ability to speak Latin might lead one to imagine his amusement when opponents of DEI unleash venom about a word that translates as “gods” and “oh, god.” Where some imaginative conservatives conclude Jefferson to be a comrade, others may disagree.

Was Jefferson a Republican? Possibly. Democrat? Possibly. RINO? Nope. DINO? Nah. Conservative? Arguably. Progressive? Probably. Woke? Yes, in the dictionary definition. Were there an American Woke Hall of Fame, Thomas Jefferson would qualify for inclusion.

Jim McCarthy is a retired New York City attorney now living in Virginia.


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46 responses to “Would TJ Be a Republican or Democrat Today?”

  1. “Don’t know much about history,” admitted Art Garfunkel in the opening line of the 1978 Wonderful World hit song.

    “Wonderful Word” was written by Lou Adler, Herb Alpert, Sam Cooke and was originally, and brilliantly, performed by Sam Cooke.

    Your comment is yet another example of entitled white guys failing to recognize the contributions of talented black men…

  2. “Don’t know much about history,” admitted Art Garfunkel in the opening line of the 1978 Wonderful World hit song.

    “Wonderful Word” was written by Lou Adler, Herb Alpert, Sam Cooke and was originally, and brilliantly, performed by Sam Cooke.

    Your comment is yet another example of entitled white guys failing to recognize the contributions of talented black men…

  3. JonathanSwifter Avatar
    JonathanSwifter

    He slashed taxes, smashed Islamic pirates in the Mediterranean, distrusted the federal courts, much expanded America’s territory and power, promoted real, not fake, science, took strong steps to restrict slavery, was wary of an entrenched military establishment, backed states rights. That’s a softball question.

    See his presidency in:

    https://www.amazon.com/Two-Term-Jinx-Presidents-Washington-Theodore-Roosevelt/dp/1530790514

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Aye, but was he woke?

  4. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    The article starts with … “Don’t know much about history,” admitted Art Garfunkel in the opening line of the 1978 Wonderful World hit song.

    That song was written by Lou Adler, Herb Alpert and Sam Cooke. It was released in 1960, sung by Sam Cooke, 18 years prior to Mr Garfunkel’s version.

    Apparently, the accomplishments of a legendary Black singer-songwriter have been overlooked by the author of this piece.

    As for Mr. McCarthy, it seems that his introductory quote “Don’t know much about history” is both ironic and appropriate at the same time.

    Lol.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Read the opening again. No claim that Garfunkel authored the lyrics, only that he recorded it in 1978. Ironic?

  5. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “Before he passed, Jefferson described the design and inscription on his burial memorial to include that he was the author of the Declaration of Independence; of the Statute of Virginia for religious freedom; father of the University of Virginia.”

    Interestingly, even the great Jefferson didn’t full understand the consequence of his own life. While he University of Virginia is a fine school (and my alma mater), it’s hard to see its founding as being as important as the Louisiana Purchase.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      No such claim was made.

  6. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Jefferson had a lot to say about guns beyond the quote appearing in the article. Here’s another quote …

    “The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
    – Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Or … “The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
      – Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

      “… at all times …” – not only when on their property.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Again, no reference was made to a belief in restriction of power belonging to the people.

    2. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      No statement made that TJ thought citizen arms should be banned, only that their uninhibited possession was appropriate to land ownership.

  7. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    Instead of looking to an open source, publicly editable medium for information about a prominent historical figure. Read an autobiography there are hundreds. Start with Friends Divided: John Adams and Thomas Jefferson by Gordon Wood.

    Beyond that know that until Jefferson was POTUS is association with the D-R party favored strong state government and weak federal. He changed that opinion after he became POTUS. Even the inception of the D-R was a result of his fued with his best friend John Adams.

  8. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Thanks to all for the research on the lyricists for Wonderful World. A careful reading of the article will show no claim that Garfunkel wrote the song. The attribution related to its popularization by him. The reading error is kinda like the application of “woke” to Disney in Orlando and almost any person, group, or corporation that fails to recognize how distorted such views are.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      You’re not very good at taking criticism James. I pointed out months ago your understanding of history was very limited, you should’ve quit while you were behind.

      PS:. Down voting a comment where I referred you to read a “book” by a Pulitzer Prized historian was icing on the proverbial cake.

  9. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Jefferson would have none of this. He would have considered such a question beneath his station. Political factions have been claiming Jefferson as their own for eons now.

    “I am not a Federalist, because I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever. . . . Such an addiction is the last degredation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.”
    T. Jefferson

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Sounds pretty woke to me.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Only in the classical liberalism of figures such as John Locke. That was the only brand of liberalism available at the time.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          Based upon comments on this blog, there are woke conservatives capable of sighting wokesters everywhere. How else May they be found?

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Jefferson apparently supported ‘public’ roads which means by definition, taxes or tolls as well as taking land from property owners for the road.

      public education and public roads – two very “woke’ ideas.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Jefferson operated on the fence. His presidency is full of moments where he did the exact opposite of what TJ said he was going to do in the 1801 inaugural address. It explains why John Randolph of Roanoke led a personal crusade against Jefferson’s policies. Kinsmen in the same political party. The Quids, as they styled themselves, turned out to be a strong check against the 24 year Virginia dynasty in the White House.

  10. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    He either be a Whig or a Green.

  11. “Don’t know much about history,” admitted Art Garfunkel in the opening line of the 1978 Wonderful World hit song.

    “Wonderful Word” was written by Lou Adler, Herb Alpert, Sam Cooke and was originally, and brilliantly, performed by Sam Cooke.

    Your comment is yet another example of entitled white guys failing to recognize the contributions of talented black men…

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      No assertion was made that Art Garfunkel wrote the lyrics, only that he recorded it in 1978.

    2. Lefty665 Avatar

      It’s a 2 way street. The black guys got recording, amplification, radio and tv as vehicles for their creativity from white guys, not to mention the royalty system of compensation for use of their intellectual property. In return a white guy got a ride on a cover of the tune, and another the opportunity to know one performer but not who had the first hit or who wrote it. Seems like a win win to me.

      Don’t believe I’ve ever heard a black guy express thanks to Thomas Edison for inventing recording, or recognizing the contributions of talented white guys like Marconi for inventing radio (or Tesla who did not get credit for radio). But then it never occurred to me I should feel that was black guys failing to recognize the contributions of talented white men.

      “What a Wonderful World” we are in thanks to Louie Armstrong’s performance of that tune written by pair of authors of different races.

      1. ‘What a Wonderful World’ is a different song.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          The song is often identified (What a) Wonderful World.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar

          Uh yeah, I used a similarly named song as an example of how multi racial talent and creativity can craft a vision of people working together to make a better world. That was a positive message.

          The flip side of that coin, that I am disappointed (but not surprised) I have to explain to you, is that fomenting cheap shot woke racism and divisiveness as you did gets nobody anywhere.

  12. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    How did folks back in that era come to own 5000 acres and have an education? Probably their family got land from the King and they paid someone to educate young Jefferson. Right? Was the person who educated young Jefferson “woke” and indoctrinated him with leftist dogma?

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      George Wythe, the father of American Law, was Jefferson’s teacher. Woke for his time. Freed his slaves and headed the Virginia Abolition Society.
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/WytheGeorge.jpg

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Good history lesson, thank you!

        How did folks like Jefferson get their K-12, early childhood education?

        Did their parents hire tutors or were their private schools?

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          Jefferson was tutored by Rev. William Douglas and also Rev. James Maury. Douglas seems to be the one remembered by TJ as a great teacher and they maintained a life long correspondence.
          All education was private in those days.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e005cce394196499778fec937b9c8cfd726a0079eb94518a7c35ea11f6c2e767.jpg

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            James – you are truly a font of history!

            Maury School in Fredericksburg?

          2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Just down the road from Shadwell where Jefferson grew up. It’s on Route 22 between Shadwell and Boswell’s Tavern. I understand the small building that served as a school house is still there.

    2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      John Tyler’s, Harry Truman’s, Barack Obama’s and my ancestor, Mareen Duvall, came from Europe as an indentured servant but later became friends with Lord Calvert and wound up with several thousand acres of land in Maryland. Go figure!

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Most of the very large landowners in this country got their land from the King though and though they owned thousands of acres – Jefferson alone had inherited 5000 acres by age 21 – there were few practical ways of making the land productive without slavery, apparently, as not enough indentured servants were available for the kind of work that slaves were used for?

        TMT – have you got a link to Mareen Duvall and that story?

        1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          My first cousin and I found the family tie through tracing family history over many years. Once we were able to tie our dads’ link to a great grandmother and her father, the rest was easy. There is quite a bit of information about the Duvalls online. Not so much about those branches that didn’t get the money passed along via inheritance. My dad’s second great grandfather was a humble block maker at the Washington Navy Yard for decades.

          There’s a Duvall Society. https://mareenduvallsociety.org/

          There are quite a few websites that discuss Mareen. https://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Maryland%20Families/Duvall%20Family.html

          So, if I ever meet Obama, I’d say “Mr. President, Cousin Barack.”

          1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Indeed, he did. So, what do Obama and I owe society? Not that either of our families got any of the money.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Do you think the folks that were slaves had less opportunity to earn money, get an education, get a job and own land than those who were not slaves – like you and Obama’s ancestors?

            Do you think Obama would admit that those who were not slaves benefited from less competition from those that were slave for things like education, jobs, etc?

            Do you think inherited wealth is higher for folks whose ancestors were not enslaved and less so for folks whose ancestors were enslaved?

  13. Let us not forget that it was Herman’s Hermits that made the “Don’t know much about history” gong a hit back in 1965. The song reached number four in the United States and number seven in the United Kingdom. Art Garfunkel did a remake!

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      It was Sam Cooke!!!!

      Everybody else was a remake.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderful_World_(Sam_Cooke_song)

    2. Lefty665 Avatar

      That was just before “I’m Henry the VIII I Am”. Don’t hum even a bar of that one or it’ll stick in your head. It’s an ear worm.

  14. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    A very fair take (except for the six children bit, which has been scientifically shown only possible to be the last child born in 1808).
    And now do Washington. These were serious people and they would be appalled at the size and scope of the government and its infringements on our freedoms. Read the list of grievances in the Declaration and look at what we accept now. They understood human nature and human frailties and the problems with accumulation of power.

  15. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    On second thought, Jefferson was certainly woke. He would rise before the sun. As soon as he could read the hands on his clock. Stayed awake and busy until he could not keep the eye lids open. Operated on 5 to 6 hours of sleep a day. And that was when TJ reached his seventies. Therefore, I declare Jefferson a very woke man.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      uh… that’s sort of an unconventional use of “woke” these days. I LIKE IT! 😉

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