Woke War on America’s No. 1 High School

by Asra Q. Nomani

Last month, Suparna Dutta spent countless hours researching how her son could safely return to school this fall as a rising sophomore at Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, a sprawling campus of classrooms, laboratories and open spaces with names like “Gandhi Commons” and “Einstein Commons,” outside the nation’s capital here off Braddock Road. Little did she know that a secretive “task force” assembled by orders of Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam was quietly meeting to discuss legislating radical changes to the school that would threaten the very future of the school.

Unbeknownst to Dutta — and me, also a TJ mother — Virginia Secretary of Education Atif Qarni, a former teacher, met remotely on Friday, July 24, with a carefully curated list of Democratic lawmakers, state education officials and others in a “Diversity/Equity/Inclusion Group” to make recommendations to the Virginia State Legislature on how to increase the number of Black, Hispanic and low-income students at the state’s 19 Governor’s Schools, specialized public school programs with admissions requirements. The group met again on Friday, July 31, and last week on Friday, August 7, and is expected to issue its recommendations in the coming days.

In its final meeting last week, the group weighed several options that would gut TJ’s merit-based, race-blind admissions process and replace it with standards that they even admitted in their private meetings would essentially be race-based. They are expected this week to issue several recommendations to the Virginia General Assembly before it convenes in special session next week, including: quotas from every middle school in the county (to boost acceptance from certain middle schools with underrepresented minorities); a second-step lottery in the admissions process; and an admissions bump for students with “socioeconomic disadvantage” (also a backdoor way to increase underrepresented minorities).

I had to go no further than the students at TJ to confirm that these solutions are shallow. My son, Shibli, observed,“These are lazy solutions to a real problem.”Class of 2019 TJ Student Government Association President Neil Kothari, now a student at the University of Virginia, penned an article earlier this summer, noting, “I see too much virtue signaling, both from TJ alumni and the broader Northern Virginia community. Everyone calls for action, but very few people are willing to put in the time or effort necessary to achieve this change.” One of those students putting in the effort is a current TJ Student Government Association leader Sean Nguyen who urges public policy makers to maintain the school’s merit-based admissions process and truly invest in programs already in place for mentoring and preparing underrepresented minorities for success at TJ. “Admissions should remain merit-based,” he said, “while we increase diversity.”

Ranked America’s No. 1 public high school earlier this year by US News and World Report, TJ, as students affectionately call their school, had come in the crosshairs of a newly-emboldened army of educational activists who spew the cult of “critical race theory” propaganda, viewing the school’s low percentage of Black, Hispanic and low-income students as evidence of “systemic racism” in the school’s admissions process. They set their sights on the school’s mostly Asian and mostly immigrant student body and vowed to change the demographics of the school.

The campaign against TJ is a cautionary tale about the Woke Army’s wider war on meritocracy. It’s also a tale of real resistance by a field army of parents, students and community allies rising up against tactics of shame and intimidation to defend their treasured school. I’m not just a journalist on this story but a concerned parent, extremely disturbed by the disdain expressed way too often and easily by the do-gooders against the inspiring collective of students and families at TJ. Earlier this year, the principal of TJ even implored our mostly immigrants of color to check their “privilege,” infuriating and saddening many parents and students.

This past weekend, we formed a new Coalition for TJ and sent Northam a petition to challenge the attack on America’s premiere high school, as not only short-sighted but also anti-Asian, anti-immigrant and ultimately anti-American. For that reason, we invite all people who care about hard work, enterprise and intellect to sign the petition. We need to send the Woke Army a clear message: we stand opposed to their vacuous attempts at virtue signaling and stand firmly for serious solutions for progress

For all of this social engineering, the governor’s office issued no press release about the launch of its “task force.” Parents and students weren’t notified. There was no teacher on the task force. And last week, when I learned about the governor’s task force on magnet schools and asked about its mission, membership, timeline and recommendations, the Virginia deputy secretary of education, Frances Bradford, mistakenly sent me an internal email asking whether they “had one of those” task forces or if it was their “COVID Ed Taskforce.” (It wasn’t.)

The next day, Qarni’s senior policy official, Tori Noles, policy advisor to the secretary of education, emailed a vague response on Friday at 5:06 p.m., providing no details on task force members, mission or discussions.

When I questioned the lack of transparency, Qarni responded, via email, that “this informal group” was “not formed via an executive order or legislative action” and, thus, “not open to the public.” He provided the names of the 26 people he’d convened for the “informal group,” and, in response to my request, his assistant sent me the meeting minutes the next Monday.

His email and the list of members can be read in this background paper, which it took our group hours to compile, researching each name because the original list was so cryptic.

The minutes from the meetings, which I’ve uploaded here, reveal disturbing, wide-ranging backroom conversations, outside the public eye, from admissions tests being “eugenically biased,” a controversial population control system, to new consideration of a failed 2018 legislative bill by Virginia Senator Scott Surovell.

“Segregate by race and income,” the minutes said.

It was clear then as it is now the targets of disdain: the school’s mostly Asian and mostly immigrant families. In a video from 2018 (minute 13:40), Surovell introduced a retired Fairfax County, Va., teacher and she proceeded to disparage TJ-bound parents as “ravenous,” saying,  “The parents come here however they come here,” adding, “There are parents buying their kids a seat at TJ.”

This is a tactic of shame — particularly lethal in Asian and immigrant communities — that must be refused.

This year, at the second meeting, Surovell recommended the Governor’s School program “be ended” unless they met “certain metrics of improvement,” including race. One participant advocated first “fixing the problem,” but, at this uncertain time for youth, Surovell’s message of existential threat stokes anxiety and uncertainty.

Ironically, at the last meeting, one of the only three Asian-Americans on the task force, state delegate Mark Keam, a Korean-American, spoke about “unethical ways that people push their kids into the school” and disparaged families who were “not even going to stay in America,” claiming they were “using this to get into IV [sic] league schools and then go back to their home country.”

In the minutes, under the name of the Virginia Education Secretary Qarni, his executive assistance wrote: “Ultimate goal as a state — rezoning to address school boundaries.” At last week’s meeting, Qarni reminded the attendees “keep this work group focussed on admissions process,” with talks “later on,” discussing the improving the “pipeline.”

For Dutta and other immigrant families, TJ, with its 100 percent merit-based admissions process, represents a symbolic affirmation of America’s values of hard work, opportunity and meritocracy. That is about to be shattered, however, if short-sighted policy makers and “equity” activists have their way.

The battle over TJ reveals a wider war on meritocracy across the country, from neighboring Loudoun County, Va., to New York City, as “equity” activists exploit the tragedy of George Floyd’s May 25 killing to target educational programs and schools based on achievement, advanced academics, STEM and merit. In Loudoun County, the school board is voting today on lowering its admissions requirement of a “B” average to “C” for applicants to its prestigious Academy of Science high school. Families have a Change.org petition to oppose the effort. In Manhattan, a vocal group of activists are trying again to lobby the New York State legislature to abandon its testing requirement for its specialized schools, including Stuyvesant High School, a STEM school. Just days after Floyd’s killing, on June 2, unidentified organizers created a website, shutdownSTEM.com, to “eradicate systemic and structural racism,”  arguing that low numbers of black enrollment in STEM means that STEM programs are “racist.”

TJ got on the hit list this spring when Fairfax County Public Schools released the data for the Class of 2024 on June 1. It’s a day of joy for students that get admitted. But the “equity” activists latched onto one line in the data: in the row for the number of black students, FCPS inserted “**TS,” or “too small,” with an explanation that the number of black students was so small that officials included them in the number for multiracial students. The actual number, according to numerous sources, is six — indeed “too small,” but zero.

BlueVirginia, a blog for state Democrats, published the chart without the explanation below and with a false headline that “ZERO African Americans” had been granted admission to the Class of 2024. A small but vocal band of TJ alumni, called “TJ Alumni Action Group,” weaponized the false information, blasting in on social media, so that it even got picked up and tweeted out by a reporter for the Washington Post, who later wrote a lopsided article on the issue. When I pointed out the error to the reporter, she simply issued a clarification on Twitter, getting nowhere near the views of her original incorrect tweet.

Asra Q. Nomani, a former Wall Street Journal reporter, is the mother of a Thomas Jefferson High School student. This article is republished with permission from her substack.com account.


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46 responses to “Woke War on America’s No. 1 High School”

  1. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    I found this very impressive and then got to the end and saw the author once worked at the Wall Street Journal. Indeed.

    There are no rules for these people, no process or interest in fairness or balance. The voters put them in charge and they will do everything they can to further their own agenda until the voters do otherwise. Which is why the Media Radio Silence on this is so essential because people need to be kept in the dark.

    This of course is not just about TJ, but all of the Governor’s Schools around the state.

  2. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    I found this very impressive and then got to the end and saw the author once worked at the Wall Street Journal. Indeed.

    There are no rules for these people, no process or interest in fairness or balance. The voters put them in charge and they will do everything they can to further their own agenda until the voters do otherwise. Which is why the Media Radio Silence on this is so essential because people need to be kept in the dark.

    This of course is not just about TJ, but all of the Governor’s Schools around the state.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    So, you sorta know when words like “Woke War”, “virtue-signaling” and “critical race theory” are in the narrative that it’s probably not some measured discussion with pros and cons, etc…

    I’m not in favor of not using academic merit as criteria for being accepted into higher academic curricula.

    OTOH – we have a serious problem when an entire class of people do not qualify on merit even though they supposedly had equal access to all the qualifying academic courses.

    Unless one wants to accept the premise that one class of people is intellectually inferior – then how do we fix this?

    We can’t fix it by picking less qualified candidates over more qualified candidates though some colleges have premised their admission policies on more than just academic merit.

    That goes back to what TJ is all about (or not).

    Finally, if one thinks that black folks don’t affect who gets elected and in turn what policies get put in place – better rethink that… If the GOP were still in charge of Virginia, none of this would be happening…

    So why is the GOP not in charge? Why did they not get voted to be in charge?

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    So, you sorta know when words like “Woke War”, “virtue-signaling” and “critical race theory” are in the narrative that it’s probably not some measured discussion with pros and cons, etc…

    I’m not in favor of not using academic merit as criteria for being accepted into higher academic curricula.

    OTOH – we have a serious problem when an entire class of people do not qualify on merit even though they supposedly had equal access to all the qualifying academic courses.

    Unless one wants to accept the premise that one class of people is intellectually inferior – then how do we fix this?

    We can’t fix it by picking less qualified candidates over more qualified candidates though some colleges have premised their admission policies on more than just academic merit.

    That goes back to what TJ is all about (or not).

    Finally, if one thinks that black folks don’t affect who gets elected and in turn what policies get put in place – better rethink that… If the GOP were still in charge of Virginia, none of this would be happening…

    So why is the GOP not in charge? Why did they not get voted to be in charge?

  5. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    “So, you sorta know when words like “Woke War”, “virtue-signaling” and “critical race theory” are in the narrative that it’s probably not some measured discussion with pros and cons, etc…”

    Larry, you have just accused the writer of this post of the very defect you suffer from in spades. And, in so doing, you engage in the obvious projection of your own failings onto the other here, despite the fact that the other here (Asra Q. Nomani) threw you a series of lifelines by which you could lift yourself out of your own ignorance on this subject.

    Let me give you a second chance of actually learning something new that will lift you out of your ignorance. For example, click on one of the lifelines to informed knowledge on the subject that was tossed out to you by Asra Q. Nomani below.

    https://newdiscourses.com/2020/08/anti-racism-vs-liberalism/

    Now watch the video, and dispute, or elaborate on, it’s content line by line, so that you and everyone else can engage here in an intelligent dialogue up to the standards of Asra Q. Nomani’s above post, instead of your spouting uninformed nonsense here.

  6. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    “So, you sorta know when words like “Woke War”, “virtue-signaling” and “critical race theory” are in the narrative that it’s probably not some measured discussion with pros and cons, etc…”

    Larry, you have just accused the writer of this post of the very defect you suffer from in spades. And, in so doing, you engage in the obvious projection of your own failings onto the other here, despite the fact that the other here (Asra Q. Nomani) threw you a series of lifelines by which you could lift yourself out of your own ignorance on this subject.

    Let me give you a second chance of actually learning something new that will lift you out of your ignorance. For example, click on one of the lifelines to informed knowledge on the subject that was tossed out to you by Asra Q. Nomani below.

    https://newdiscourses.com/2020/08/anti-racism-vs-liberalism/

    Now watch the video, and dispute, or elaborate on, it’s content line by line, so that you and everyone else can engage here in an intelligent dialogue up to the standards of Asra Q. Nomani’s above post, instead of your spouting uninformed nonsense here.

  7. VaNavVet Avatar

    Everyone seems to recognize the nature of the problem with admission to TJ and both groups appear to want to find a solution. It is too bad that they are merely talking past each other and calling names instead of actually coming together to work on a reasonable plan of action. This unfortunately does seem to be the state of affairs across the country.

  8. VaNavVet Avatar

    Everyone seems to recognize the nature of the problem with admission to TJ and both groups appear to want to find a solution. It is too bad that they are merely talking past each other and calling names instead of actually coming together to work on a reasonable plan of action. This unfortunately does seem to be the state of affairs across the country.

  9. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    One would think that a purely merit-based advanced school that admitted a disproportionate number of immigrants and people of color would make America’s liberals happy. Immigrants and people of color are, after all, two classes of people liberals claim to work hard to protect from evil conservatives.

    So, why the angst about Thomas Jefferson from the left? First of all, liberals don’t really give a rat’s ass about immigrants and people of color. They care about power for themselves and nothing else. Of course they can’t just come out and say that any more than a Mafia Don can publicly proclaim himself a violent master criminal. While the liberal elite and Mafia kingpins both use intimidation and violence to consolidate ever more power the liberals cover their actions by claiming to be pursuing “equity” while the Capo di Tutti Capo talks about his lucrative olive oil importation business.

    The liberal elite and intellectual elite in America have long been frustrated by their inability to capture and consolidate power. They secretly lust for the kind of society found in Russia or Cuba – a small band of oligarchs and political elite stealing the wealth of an entire nation under the guise of “fairness”. America’s political elite have their incestuous cabal just like Fidel Castro had Raul. Mitt Romney’s father was the governor of Michigan, GW Bush was GHW Bush’s son, Nancy Pelosi’s father was the mayor of Baltimore, Franklin Roosevelt married his own cousin while the Kennedy clan is more interbred than puppy mill Dalmatians. The trouble is that pesky outsiders keep popping up to challenge the cabal. From Nikki Haley to Jeff Bezos to Donald Trump America just won’t allow the cabal to fully take over. Just when it seemed like cabal-member Hillary Clinton was about to be coronated an outsider swooped in. You can almost hear the cabal asking themselves, “How does this keep happening?”

    The first thing the cabal needs to do is keep America divided against itself through the perpetuation of the big lie – America is a terrible place which has been fatally flawed since its inception and remains as flawed today as it ever was. One of the worst countries in the history of countries. A high school based on merit where people of color and immigrants are over-represented does not help perpetuate the liberal fairy tale of white privilege and systemic racism that underpins the worst country ever diktat. And that fairy tale is a mainstay of maintaining the division and dissension required to demonstrate that Americans need to yield their liberties and freedoms to the cabal. Beyond that, meritocracies like Thomas Jefferson represent places that non-elites can use as springboards to challenge the elite. Imagine the elites’ shock that the daughter of immigrants who went to Clemson University could become the United States Ambassador to the United Nations. Clemson for God’s sake! And now she’s a Republican rising star who can challenge the cabal with their degrees from Yale and Vassar. The elite need to plug the leaky sieves in American society that allow those not “to the political manor born” to challenge the power of the elite. Thomas Jefferson High School is just such a leaky sieve. In the cabal’s mind a top notch high school education should not be available for free to any Tom, Dick or Nimrata who aces the entrance exam. How will the cabal control the people who graduate from such a school? No, a top flight high school education should only be available to children of parents who can afford $30, $40 or $50 thousand dollars per year tuition with entrance guarded by useful idiots of the cabal’s intellectual regiment serving as admission officers at top private schools.

    So, in Virginia, a made man of the elite like Terry McAuliffe holds his nose and goes to see a useful idiot like Ralph Northam. “Hey Ralph. Remember 12 years ago when we got you elected to your first public office? Remember the 6 forgettable years you spent in the state senate before we got you in as Lieutenant Governor? Then, despite your obvious racist background, we got you in as governor? We told you that one day there might be favors that needed to be paid back. Well, there’s a merit-based high school in Fairfax County that’s messing up our white privilege narrative and opening the door for commoners to potentially rise to positions of power. You need to do something about that school. No more public school meritocracies. We decide who succeeds and who rises to positions of power. Got it? I mean you don’t want to wake up tomorrow with a horse’s head in bed next to you, am I right? And, there’s that other yearbook picture that nobody has uncovered yet. Don’t forget about that. Now be a good little useful idiot and knock that troublesome high school down a few pegs. Who knows, there may be a position as Deputy Assistant Under Secretary of Agriculture opening up in the Biden Administration.”

  10. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    One would think that a purely merit-based advanced school that admitted a disproportionate number of immigrants and people of color would make America’s liberals happy. Immigrants and people of color are, after all, two classes of people liberals claim to work hard to protect from evil conservatives.

    So, why the angst about Thomas Jefferson from the left? First of all, liberals don’t really give a rat’s ass about immigrants and people of color. They care about power for themselves and nothing else. Of course they can’t just come out and say that any more than a Mafia Don can publicly proclaim himself a violent master criminal. While the liberal elite and Mafia kingpins both use intimidation and violence to consolidate ever more power the liberals cover their actions by claiming to be pursuing “equity” while the Capo di Tutti Capo talks about his lucrative olive oil importation business.

    The liberal elite and intellectual elite in America have long been frustrated by their inability to capture and consolidate power. They secretly lust for the kind of society found in Russia or Cuba – a small band of oligarchs and political elite stealing the wealth of an entire nation under the guise of “fairness”. America’s political elite have their incestuous cabal just like Fidel Castro had Raul. Mitt Romney’s father was the governor of Michigan, GW Bush was GHW Bush’s son, Nancy Pelosi’s father was the mayor of Baltimore, Franklin Roosevelt married his own cousin while the Kennedy clan is more interbred than puppy mill Dalmatians. The trouble is that pesky outsiders keep popping up to challenge the cabal. From Nikki Haley to Jeff Bezos to Donald Trump America just won’t allow the cabal to fully take over. Just when it seemed like cabal-member Hillary Clinton was about to be coronated an outsider swooped in. You can almost hear the cabal asking themselves, “How does this keep happening?”

    The first thing the cabal needs to do is keep America divided against itself through the perpetuation of the big lie – America is a terrible place which has been fatally flawed since its inception and remains as flawed today as it ever was. One of the worst countries in the history of countries. A high school based on merit where people of color and immigrants are over-represented does not help perpetuate the liberal fairy tale of white privilege and systemic racism that underpins the worst country ever diktat. And that fairy tale is a mainstay of maintaining the division and dissension required to demonstrate that Americans need to yield their liberties and freedoms to the cabal. Beyond that, meritocracies like Thomas Jefferson represent places that non-elites can use as springboards to challenge the elite. Imagine the elites’ shock that the daughter of immigrants who went to Clemson University could become the United States Ambassador to the United Nations. Clemson for God’s sake! And now she’s a Republican rising star who can challenge the cabal with their degrees from Yale and Vassar. The elite need to plug the leaky sieves in American society that allow those not “to the political manor born” to challenge the power of the elite. Thomas Jefferson High School is just such a leaky sieve. In the cabal’s mind a top notch high school education should not be available for free to any Tom, Dick or Nimrata who aces the entrance exam. How will the cabal control the people who graduate from such a school? No, a top flight high school education should only be available to children of parents who can afford $30, $40 or $50 thousand dollars per year tuition with entrance guarded by useful idiots of the cabal’s intellectual regiment serving as admission officers at top private schools.

    So, in Virginia, a made man of the elite like Terry McAuliffe holds his nose and goes to see a useful idiot like Ralph Northam. “Hey Ralph. Remember 12 years ago when we got you elected to your first public office? Remember the 6 forgettable years you spent in the state senate before we got you in as Lieutenant Governor? Then, despite your obvious racist background, we got you in as governor? We told you that one day there might be favors that needed to be paid back. Well, there’s a merit-based high school in Fairfax County that’s messing up our white privilege narrative and opening the door for commoners to potentially rise to positions of power. You need to do something about that school. No more public school meritocracies. We decide who succeeds and who rises to positions of power. Got it? I mean you don’t want to wake up tomorrow with a horse’s head in bed next to you, am I right? And, there’s that other yearbook picture that nobody has uncovered yet. Don’t forget about that. Now be a good little useful idiot and knock that troublesome high school down a few pegs. Who knows, there may be a position as Deputy Assistant Under Secretary of Agriculture opening up in the Biden Administration.”

  11. VaNavVet Avatar

    Waiting for the angst about TJ from the “America First” crowd that opportunities such as this should only be available to US citizens. It will surely be forthcoming as their taxes are paying for these magnet schools and that America is their country after all.

    1. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      The only people who seem to have any angst about TJ are the liberals in the Northam Administration.

  12. VaNavVet Avatar

    Waiting for the angst about TJ from the “America First” crowd that opportunities such as this should only be available to US citizens. It will surely be forthcoming as their taxes are paying for these magnet schools and that America is their country after all.

    1. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      The only people who seem to have any angst about TJ are the liberals in the Northam Administration.

  13. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Interesting article:

    ” Prestigious High School in Virginia Faces Civil Rights Lawsuit”

    https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/prestigious-high-school-in-virginia-faces-civil-rights-lawsuit

    sounds like a bunch of black liberals? 😉

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      Unfortunately I wasted about 5 minutes of my life reading the bull manure article in your link.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        My apologies.

        Here’s the thing. Let’s agree that we have a bunch of “woke” liberals that are really doing nothing but holding on to power.

        What message would you folks send to voters to take it back from them – including black voters?

        Do you have a message other than damn the “woke”?

        1. John Harvie Avatar
          John Harvie

          I do agree with your second paragraph

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            well , that’s a start! 😉

  14. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Interesting article:

    ” Prestigious High School in Virginia Faces Civil Rights Lawsuit”

    https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/prestigious-high-school-in-virginia-faces-civil-rights-lawsuit

    sounds like a bunch of black liberals? 😉

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      Unfortunately I wasted about 5 minutes of my life reading the bull manure article in your link.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        My apologies.

        Here’s the thing. Let’s agree that we have a bunch of “woke” liberals that are really doing nothing but holding on to power.

        What message would you folks send to voters to take it back from them – including black voters?

        Do you have a message other than damn the “woke”?

        1. John Harvie Avatar
          John Harvie

          I do agree with your second paragraph

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            well , that’s a start! 😉

  15. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    TJ and Loudoun’s Academy of Science are a bit overrated. My reports from former students tell me that kids, really smart kids, end up teaching themselves and each other the material to stay above water. Not all, but many teachers at those schools are highly credentialed but lack the skills to pass on knowledge so that it sticks.

  16. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    TJ and Loudoun’s Academy of Science are a bit overrated. My reports from former students tell me that kids, really smart kids, end up teaching themselves and each other the material to stay above water. Not all, but many teachers at those schools are highly credentialed but lack the skills to pass on knowledge so that it sticks.

  17. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Interesting comment, James. I suspect that both are used as academic resume “chips” for College and actually, the ability to learn independently probably also a good skill for college.

    But getting access to either, starkly highlights the stubborn K-12 achievement gap which has very real consequences with respect to access to these schools.

    Down our way, we have a Regional Governors school which I know little about but does not sound like the Loudoun and TJ schools.

    We do have things like dual enrollment for kids to take some College Level courses and allow them to go direct from K-12 to College.

  18. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Interesting comment, James. I suspect that both are used as academic resume “chips” for College and actually, the ability to learn independently probably also a good skill for college.

    But getting access to either, starkly highlights the stubborn K-12 achievement gap which has very real consequences with respect to access to these schools.

    Down our way, we have a Regional Governors school which I know little about but does not sound like the Loudoun and TJ schools.

    We do have things like dual enrollment for kids to take some College Level courses and allow them to go direct from K-12 to College.

  19. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    If insufficient numbers of black and Hispanic students are not making it into TJ, a rationale society would look toward those persons in Fairfax County Public Schools who have been responsible for the extra efforts that the division has undertaken for years to better prepare these students to get into TJ. They fricking failed. They, including the superintendent and all others responsible for the management of these programs should be summarily fired. Similarly, the non-teaching staff who worked on and supported the programs should also be summarily fired.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      They DID fail but it’s a systemic problem that extends far beyond Fairfax and Loudoun. I see it down in our schools – a persistent gap in all but one of our schools.

      Some want everyone fired. You don’t really gain much that way usually. You actually do need the people who know how to operate the enterprise. Some might need to be fired but I don’t agree we burn it all down and rebuild. You’re breaking a lot of things that do work.

      What TJ and Loudoun show is that across the board in hundreds of schools that there is not only an achievement gap but worse than that – there are almost no individual viable, qualified candidates that are black. That’s horrendous.

      I’m probably more frustrated than you over this and that’s why I support non-public schools receiving funding to go at this – with the proviso that they actually have to take the kids who are failing to achieve AND they must demonstrate that they CAN get those kids on the same achievement level as others.

      SOME schools actually can do this – even some public schools or the Success Academy in NYC. It’s not like we have no clue how to do it. Some schools can and do but a LOT of school systems – even supposedly very good ones like Loudoun and Fairfax do not – and the situation at the Loudoun School and TJ starkly show it and it can no longer be swept under the rug.

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        Talking about “systematic racism” is an excuse to avoid fixing the problem. In my 40+ years in the business world practicing law, I’ve met countless smart and successful people from all races and ethnic groups. The idea that a single black student in Fairfax County can qualify to be a TJ freshman is absurd.

        Clearly, some students of all races and ethnic groups might need some extra help, indeed, maybe just encouragement, to make it to TJ or other elite high school. So Fairfax County quite some time ago started programs to identify students, most especially those from Title 1 grade schools who have the potential to excel in math and science, and give them some additional motivation and help. But, just like with FCPS’s absolute failure with distance learning this spring, FCPS failed big time. Yet, we hear silence about this failure. And, most important, no one loses his or her job.

        Instead of holding itself accountable for yet another major failure that consumed tax dollars unavailable for other programs, Fairfax County Public Schools joins the parade of blaming systematic racism.

        I run across a few seedy people and organizations practicing law. I’ve even represented a few people I would not invite home for dinner. I’ve also been involved in community affairs for about 20 years. Fairfax County Public Schools is the most dishonest entity I’ve dealt with – bar none.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          re: ” The idea that a single black student in Fairfax County can qualify to be a TJ freshman is absurd.

          Clearly, some students of all races and ethnic groups might need some extra help, indeed, maybe just encouragement, to make it to TJ or other elite high school.”

          geeze TMT – that’s blasphemous to those who say academic achievement is the only legitimate criteria!

          Yes – there IS absurd. Thank you for being honest enough to say it.

          1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
            Reed Fawell 3rd

            “Clearly, some students of all races and ethnic groups might need some extra help, indeed, maybe just encouragement, to make it to TJ or other elite high school.”

            geeze TMT – that’s blasphemous to those who say academic achievement is the only legitimate criteria!”

            No, academic achievement is the only fair criteria for judging levels of academic achievement, and the color of one’s skin has (and should have) absolutely nothing to do the judging another person’s academic achievement. To make such judgements based on skin color is what racists do, and they are racists irrespective of whatever their own skin color may be.

  20. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    If insufficient numbers of black and Hispanic students are not making it into TJ, a rationale society would look toward those persons in Fairfax County Public Schools who have been responsible for the extra efforts that the division has undertaken for years to better prepare these students to get into TJ. They fricking failed. They, including the superintendent and all others responsible for the management of these programs should be summarily fired. Similarly, the non-teaching staff who worked on and supported the programs should also be summarily fired.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      They DID fail but it’s a systemic problem that extends far beyond Fairfax and Loudoun. I see it down in our schools – a persistent gap in all but one of our schools.

      Some want everyone fired. You don’t really gain much that way usually. You actually do need the people who know how to operate the enterprise. Some might need to be fired but I don’t agree we burn it all down and rebuild. You’re breaking a lot of things that do work.

      What TJ and Loudoun show is that across the board in hundreds of schools that there is not only an achievement gap but worse than that – there are almost no individual viable, qualified candidates that are black. That’s horrendous.

      I’m probably more frustrated than you over this and that’s why I support non-public schools receiving funding to go at this – with the proviso that they actually have to take the kids who are failing to achieve AND they must demonstrate that they CAN get those kids on the same achievement level as others.

      SOME schools actually can do this – even some public schools or the Success Academy in NYC. It’s not like we have no clue how to do it. Some schools can and do but a LOT of school systems – even supposedly very good ones like Loudoun and Fairfax do not – and the situation at the Loudoun School and TJ starkly show it and it can no longer be swept under the rug.

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        Talking about “systematic racism” is an excuse to avoid fixing the problem. In my 40+ years in the business world practicing law, I’ve met countless smart and successful people from all races and ethnic groups. The idea that a single black student in Fairfax County can qualify to be a TJ freshman is absurd.

        Clearly, some students of all races and ethnic groups might need some extra help, indeed, maybe just encouragement, to make it to TJ or other elite high school. So Fairfax County quite some time ago started programs to identify students, most especially those from Title 1 grade schools who have the potential to excel in math and science, and give them some additional motivation and help. But, just like with FCPS’s absolute failure with distance learning this spring, FCPS failed big time. Yet, we hear silence about this failure. And, most important, no one loses his or her job.

        Instead of holding itself accountable for yet another major failure that consumed tax dollars unavailable for other programs, Fairfax County Public Schools joins the parade of blaming systematic racism.

        I run across a few seedy people and organizations practicing law. I’ve even represented a few people I would not invite home for dinner. I’ve also been involved in community affairs for about 20 years. Fairfax County Public Schools is the most dishonest entity I’ve dealt with – bar none.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          re: ” The idea that a single black student in Fairfax County can qualify to be a TJ freshman is absurd.

          Clearly, some students of all races and ethnic groups might need some extra help, indeed, maybe just encouragement, to make it to TJ or other elite high school.”

          geeze TMT – that’s blasphemous to those who say academic achievement is the only legitimate criteria!

          Yes – there IS absurd. Thank you for being honest enough to say it.

          1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
            Reed Fawell 3rd

            “Clearly, some students of all races and ethnic groups might need some extra help, indeed, maybe just encouragement, to make it to TJ or other elite high school.”

            geeze TMT – that’s blasphemous to those who say academic achievement is the only legitimate criteria!”

            No, academic achievement is the only fair criteria for judging levels of academic achievement, and the color of one’s skin has (and should have) absolutely nothing to do the judging another person’s academic achievement. To make such judgements based on skin color is what racists do, and they are racists irrespective of whatever their own skin color may be.

  21. VaNavVet Avatar

    Ripper
    Birthright citizenship is once again under attack by POTUS and his anti-immigrant allies. Unfortunately, those students and parents at TJ might soon be under scrutiny by the conservative elites.

  22. VaNavVet Avatar

    Ripper
    Birthright citizenship is once again under attack by POTUS and his anti-immigrant allies. Unfortunately, those students and parents at TJ might soon be under scrutiny by the conservative elites.

  23. VaNavVet Avatar

    Larry
    Is TMT really saying that even considering the idea that a black student could qualify for TJ is absurd? Is he talking about the genetic inferiority of blacks? What is going on with BR now?

  24. VaNavVet Avatar

    Larry
    Is TMT really saying that even considering the idea that a black student could qualify for TJ is absurd? Is he talking about the genetic inferiority of blacks? What is going on with BR now?

  25. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I dunno. I’ll let TMT answer that.

  26. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I dunno. I’ll let TMT answer that.

  27. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Seems like if we judge successful people – many did not achieve success on academic prowess… no?

    So that sort of asks the question about the purpose of “higher ed”, no?

  28. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Seems like if we judge successful people – many did not achieve success on academic prowess… no?

    So that sort of asks the question about the purpose of “higher ed”, no?

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