Yes, it is that big. Click for larger view, and note the on-shore transmission expansions.

by Steve Haner

In the coming weeks, Virginia’s State Corporation Commission takes up one of the largest utility investments ever undertaken in the Commonwealth, where the cost and the risk will rest squarely on Virginia’s citizens: Dominion Energy Virginia’s $10 billion Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind project.

In applications and appendices filed late last year, probably running to hundreds of thousands of words and hundreds of technical drawings, Dominion outlined its request to build the project 27 statute miles (24 nautical miles) off the mouth of Hampton Roads. The project area covers 176 square miles of seabed. It uses about one square mile for each of the planned 176 turbine towers.

Where the cables from the turbines come ashore in Virginia Beach, a major expansion of the transmission system will be required to integrate the electrons into the regional grid. While turbines that far offshore may not stir viewshed complaints, the onshore miles of new major power lines might (details here.)

A public comment period on the application is already open, and the comment portal can be found here. If you don’t want to dive into the gigantic case file, the SCC order giving public notice and setting the procedure for this application includes a summary.

Dominion is seeking a determination that the project is reasonable and prudent (as those legal terms have been defined by the General Assembly) and seeks to start charging the capital costs to its 2.6 million customers by September of this year. Construction could begin in late 2023 and power could begin to flow in 2026.

Whether or not the SCC can say no to the application, and if so on what grounds, will be a contested point in the testimony, hearings and legal arguments to come. The 2020 Virginia Clean Economy Act, which just survived another round of efforts to repeal or amend it, certainly contemplated this project. Did it mandate approval?

Attorney General Miyares’ staff argued in another case earlier this year:

Requiring electric utilities to transition to net zero carbon emissions will involve significant costs approaching $90 billion. The General Assembly has made the policy decision that Virginia’s electric utilities will transition to net zero carbon emissions over the next three decades. As with any long-term utility planning, there are pathways forward that will be higher cost and others that will be lower cost. The Commission, as the economic regulator overseeing this transition, has the authority to ensure that the costs of the transition are reasonable and no more than necessary. (Emphasis added.)

This project and a planned second tranche of about the same size (with financing costs and utility profits) are the largest piece of the $90 billion cited. In all the projections of how implementation of the VCEA vision of carbon-free generation will raise consumer bills over the next 20-30 years, the offshore wind project is by far the largest piece, especially if the critics are right that it will need to be supplemented with additional energy storage not now being planned.

On-line public comments will be taken until May 16, when the SCC will begin hearings with the various parties. The first day of hearings will be for public witnesses; then the lawyers and expert witnesses take the stand.

What parties other than the utility will participate in the debate? The SCC’s own staff will be doing financial and engineering analysis and making recommendations, due for release April 8. The window opened March 25 for all other participants to file initial testimony on the record, and many documents should be available this week.

In his role as Consumer Counsel, Attorney General Miyares and his staff will be at the table. Both the AG and the SCC staff are charged with considering the consumer viewpoint, including all classes of Dominion customers.

Three different environmental groups have filed to participate: The Sierra Club, the Charlottesville-based advocacy group Clean Virginia, and a broader coalition under the umbrella of Appalachian Voices. Recently the Nansemond Indian Tribe signed up for the case, but it is not clear what issues will be its focus.

Finally, Walmart – a huge Dominion customer with its retail and distribution operations — is participating. Also signed up to testify and pose questions is the Virginia Committee for Fair Utility Rates, representing several major industrial concerns. By way of disclosure, it was that group I worked closely with as the government affairs manager for Huntington Ingalls Industries until 2017.

At this point, those groups and they alone have access to the reams of secret information at the heart of this case, secrecy which has already been called to the attention of Bacon’s Rebellion readers (here and here.) When their own experts or lawyers cite that secret information, their documents are also redacted. When the hearings come in May, portions may be held behind closed doors with the public and media excluded.

Public interest in these matters is usually quite low. Media coverage has always been spotty; but now, with the legacy outlets down to skeleton staffs, expect very little. And it is safe to expect the reporting of any concerns will be countered by major pro-project public relations campaigns from Dominion and others. Many companies from around the world have a piece of this action, with Siemens Gamesa the supplier of the 14.7 megawatt turbines (about as big as they get now).

Those who oppose or question the wisdom of this project may be painted as opposed to the effort to remove fossil fuels from the electricity industry. But there are other forms of carbon-free energy, including solar, nuclear and hydro power, and even onshore wind has proven to have much lower costs per megawatt hour produced. Whether this particular 2,600-megawatt project, with its 30-year price tag, and this ownership structure, is a wise decision has nothing to do with carbon dioxide and our climate. Don’t fall for the “we must do exactly this to save the planet” nonsense.


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53 responses to “Wind Case Spinning Up; Your Comments Sought”

  1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Part of the issue, in my mind, Virginia gives steep discount in electric prices to business users. So businesses can sit back and gleefully watch the apathetic public accept the cost burden of the project. If you are a business, for example, electric vehicles may make very good sense in Virginia, due the low cost of electric for businesses.

    In USA and Virginia in particular, we have that Wall Street loves utilities, because there is no risk. Utilities can build huge projects and profit handsomely, even if the project fails: it is the public that pays the construction cost, and cost overruns, and a nice profit margin. Monopoly system, we have.

    Why should business users complain? It is homeowners paying the cost burden. Walmart would like to ask for freedom to escape the monopoly, but in general, we probably should not expect support from business to keep costs down (they already have that). The public is not paying attention, or is divided by green washing, job creation promises, etc.

    I actually tend to favor offshore wind vs. traditional nuclear plant technology. But we are leaving the cost-effective *on-shore* wind completely off the table.

    Off-shore wind very expensive especially the way Virginia is trending, giving Dominion carte blanche. The Virginia public sees lots of *on-shore* wind in nearby states, and does not grasp that offshore wind is different story re: costs.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      EN Fan, deep in the tall grass on this landmark case, there are some issues related to cost allocation among classes. Will get to that point when I can…

      All readers, especially the wonks:

      https://www.dominionenergy.com/projects-and-facilities/wind-power-facilities-and-projects/coastal-virginia-offshore-wind

      I linked to this above and have been exploring it more. Very useful. You can find deep interactive maps of the transmission lines, the original dozen or so volumes of the original filing in PDF format. They are much easier to read then after being scanned onto the SCC website. Still plenty of redactions, I betcha, but also some great art!

    2. killerhertz Avatar
      killerhertz

      On-shore wind isn’t tenable for Virginia though.

      This seems like a reasonable project given how far it is from shore.

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Significant on-shore wind would probably have to be sited in PA/MD/or WV. Agree we do not have a major mountaintop wind corridor.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Have ya’ll ever been to SW Va?

          these are “folded’ ridges – mountain ridges with valleys in between. used to be coal mining country:

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/680e0678b77a7d668cd2ae3d9c9feb00e2fd521c6f03255cad484e508cff98e3.jpg

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Getting comments from BR readers may prove counterproductive. Big Wind!

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    The SCC is down to two members now that the GA failed to confirm Navarro. She was a supporter of VCEA, so Dominion has lost a vote there. How do you see Hudson and Jagdmann coming out on this application?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Yet another fascinating aspect of this story. I’d say this gives either of them a veto on some of the big issues, especially the main “prudence” decision.

      And Nancy? My first goal is to just cover this story, to raise awareness, and if people take a moment to comment either way they will continue to pay attention probably. 😉

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    NIMBY!

    1. Steven Curtis Avatar
      Steven Curtis

      Typical.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Sarcasm. Read room.

  5. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    The wind and solar projects can most likely be blocked using the Environmental Justice Act if any portion of those projects come anywhere close to a minority population or a population with incomes less than the community average. Groups opposed to these projects should smarten up and use the EJ Act as a tool. That Act is so broad that literally no impacts can occur around those populations. This would be especially helpful for rural folks who don’t wish to industrial scale solar installed in their communities. Or for the citizens of Portsmouth who don’t wish to have an industrial wind mill staging/ production area built in a community that already has a Superfund site and a multitude of industrial shipbuilding facilities.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      If you want to see REAL opposition, propose a zero-carbon North Anna type nuke near NoVa or Richmond!

      Then all heck would break loose with big money lawyers, the whole ten yards!

      😉

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Larry, for the umpteenth time, nobody is going to build any new reactors with the designs used for North Anna or Surry 60 years ago. But this is the direction Dominion is going, not nuclear, so for VA basically just an academic discussion.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Any other designs coming to mind?

          1. Steven Curtis Avatar
            Steven Curtis

            Small Modular Reactors, especially the fast reactors that recycle used nuclear fuel to create a clean energy portfolio equivalent to 250 years of US consumption of electricity. These reactors are the safest way to produce electricity, are 100% domestic and 100% clean (already mined). Once they are in production, the reactors are cheaper than gas and coal and way cheaper than unsubsidized wind and solar. BEST OF ALL, THE US GOVERNMENT WILL PAY US TO TAKE THE FUEL, SO IT IS BETTER THAN FREE. Please pass this information along.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            But, 300MW for estimated $3B. Wind farm, last estimate, $10B 2,400MW. Now there are issues of storing, and consistent delivery, but those are 1st up Google numbers.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            and I’m waiting………….. where are they? it sounds a lot like those folks who say “storage” is here but it’s not.

            I’m all for both – all for any of the above by the way but until we get there we do need to deal with the existing realities.

            We used coal for 100 years before we decided it was wrong. same may happen with gas and renewables, we’ll see.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          And what I AM saying is that I’d be ALL IN FAVOR of a nuke proposal with modern designs. I’d even favor it over …STORAGE ! Oh, and lets’s have it in the Richmond suburbs since they are opposed to solar and wind!

          Where are those designs so we can agree on going forward and stop obsessing over renewables? 😉

          oh, and would you favor an equally bad deal for a nuke?

      2. Steven Curtis Avatar
        Steven Curtis

        Yep, and our milk toast citizens would bow down to the loudest voices. If you want the best result, advocate nuclear energy. If you just want to skulk like lemmings to jump over the cliff, go ahead and support the highly subsidized, corrupt offshore wind projects. I am old, so I will not have to pick up the pieces, but I will be able to watch the real-world theater when you find out what is happening to you. Bless the beasts and the children, for they have no voice. We are doing neither in the name of keeping our elected officials in the life they would like to become accustomed to, at the expense of the beasts and the children. Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          your milk toast folks will embrace Nukes when they are truly safe – and until then – they’re not so milk toast.

          What is the worst thing that will happen if we are wrong about renewables ? Seriously. What harm, if they deliver carbon-free electricity for cheap – even if it turns out we did not need to?

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      The so-called EJ movement is connected at the hip with the renewable industry, and financial ties would not surprise me. They might have some comments on power line siting but my prediction is cheerleading for this (as long as bill subsidies come as promised.)

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        …outsized financial effect on middle class due to subsidizing everyone else. Here in NoVA it is quickly morphing into New Jersey or Taxachusetts. Which by the way, we should benchmark to other offshore projects re: cost/technology.

  6. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    the visual impacts of transmission lines – WOWZA! 😉 geeze!

    In terms of the fiscal, I do remember a discussion a few years back about whether Dominion would pursue a 3rd Nuke at North Anna (not sure if it was before or after that quake) but at any rate, I seem to recall that the CEO (perhaps Farrell) opined that such a large investment (13-20 billion?) might give Dominion investors a heart attack.

    So, no such qualms on this project from investors?

    At any rate, why isn’t Dominion proposing newer technology nukes if they are indeed ready for prime time?

    They’d have my support and I strongly suspect widespread support – if such nuke technology does actually exist.

    We’re not going to go for a “new” 60-year old design on a known earthquake fault (that Dominion lied about originally).

    So the wind thing is really opposition without a real alternative other than to continue to burn fossil fuels – something that polls show a significant majority of people feel we must reduce because climate is at risk. From my reading of various polls, deniers and skeptics comprise from 10-25% and believers and somewhat believers are 30-50%.

    https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/ptZD.lv6YgnofsOVCMkLVQ–/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTU4Ni4wMTczOTEzMDQzNDc4/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/mvcpD_0Q5fMxmMA5bg0rWw–~B/aD0zNTE7dz01NzU7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg–/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/science.mashable/ad6a040ca22e72c63f9103a0127d5245

    So to me, this is what this turns on to a certain extent. If you’re concerned about the climate, you might support this by holding your nose and decry the bad deal. If you are a denier/skeptic, then this becomes the better non-denial reason to oppose.

    Dominion has always come out on top of various project money issues over time no matter whether it was with regard to renewables or other – like coal ash cleanup, overcharging, etc… it’s what they do, it’s why investors like them.

    1. Steven Curtis Avatar
      Steven Curtis

      So, why don’t the people who feel this is a good idea invest their money in it? We know you would not, so your contention is that it is only a good idea if someone else pays for it. Well, fine. If this is successful, it means that the citizens have found a way to vote themselves the treasury. Except that the citizens do not get the benefit, are stuck with the clean-up bill, and finally realize that there is no money left in the treasury anyway. My question remains: If it is such a good idea, raise the money and do it. Otherwise, it is not a good idea.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        well, no… I do have some invested funds…donchaknow?

        on the cleanup – we all caused it and we did not properly figure “decommissioning” costs that we are now demanding from renewables!

        I think maybe your question misses the mark a bit which is that whatever Dominion does, even coal ash cleanup, they’re entitled to cost-plus profit without any market competition.

        It’s always been that way, right? And efforts to change it and make Dominion compete were attempted in the GA a fews years back and failed spectacularly and ever since then, the stock answer has been “we tried that and it did not work”.

        It boils down to this:

        Do you want a system like Texas has where no one is really held accountable for reliability or do you want one like Va where one entity is – but at a cost?

        pick your poison.

  7. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Dominion is required to bury the on-shore power lines. They’ll already be running 50 or more miles (once they connect all the turbines) of undersea cable, so what’s a few more miles and a few billion more dollars?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      There are risks putting major transmission underground. Pretty hard to repair, find faults….But sure, the ratepayers won’t mind!

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    FWIW, the mills are waaay less imposing on navigation than, oh say, a bridge. Or, a restricted bombing range.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Individually, maybe, but 178 of them in one area? With perhaps as many again coming? Have you seen that East Coast map with all the proposals?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        They’re going to be fishermans nirvana!

        Have you ever been out that far from land in a boat? Pretty sure NN has.

        I’m not sure what the problem is. There is a LOT of water out that way, lots of room to navigate.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        You want to count the supports on the CBBT?
        Vertical clearance of 100+ feet and a mile apart. You have a greater risk of hitting a parked car on the Great Salt Flats.

        An aircraft carrier cannot get close enough to a mill to interfere with the blades without hitting the base.

        Crab pots are more of a nuisance. Larry’s right. Move over Louisiana! There’s a new Fisherman’s Paradise!

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          When a Russian sea-launch cruise missile pops up on radar above the wind field, you’ll have about 15 seconds to contemplate our error.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Maybe, the cruise missile will hit a windmill? Good fences make good neighbors, eh?

            They’ll pose little to no impediment to navigation even if they blanketed the whole coast. No kidding.

            But this is funny. Just got back from the grocery store. Standing line and a little old lady pulls in behind me with one deli item, so I says, “Go ahead.”

            Rings up to $13.86, and she reaches in her purse and pulls out two pill bottles. Opens the first and counts out 26 pennies. Opens the second and counts out 6 dimes. I’m thinking “Oh god, here comes the quarters,” when she hands the clerk a crisp $100 bill.

            Lost it. Fell in my cart laughing.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            not a hypersonic? 😉

        2. Steven Curtis Avatar
          Steven Curtis

          So, it sounds very affordable. Maybe you and your friends could take up a collection and fund it.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            We are.

    2. Steven Curtis Avatar
      Steven Curtis

      Fishermen say it will destroy their industry. Is that OK with you?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Fishermen say alot, often. Ask ’em about quotas.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        most structures like these ATTRACT fish.

  9. If this windmill mine field goes up it should be named for his former most excellent Ralph Northam.

  10. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    These things are all over Virginia. Most of us drive past or under them several times a week and few even notice them anymore. They’re just part of the landscape that we are used to:

    https://www.trbimg.com/img-589649f4/turbine/dp-tidewaterbiz-dominion-20170131

    It’s ridiculous that folks make such a big deal about things not much different than them, solar farms, wind turbines and yes, more transmission lines – and pipelines.

    If you live in a house that uses electricity – you have one of these not too far away from you.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      If you use electricity, no matter how it is generated, this is how it gets to you. This photo is from the Surry, Va Nuclear Plant.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0dc1d713196c6c80fdf906c4ac7290c61691f977fe5dc963094a8ed1decc6139.jpg

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Again, the transmission lines are a local Hampton Roads concern. I just want to be sure people get the info. If they don’t care, fine.

    2. Steven Curtis Avatar
      Steven Curtis

      Right. Let’s stifle competition and the innovation that it produces so things will never change. Good thinking.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        all for competition but when you’re talking about a electricity in Va, it’s about a state-regulated monopoly. Or do I misunderstand?

  11. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Steve- does it make sense to have some kind of sample letter people could use to edit and submit comments? I will make a bullet list of some concerns.

  12. Steven Curtis Avatar
    Steven Curtis

    The entire issue boils down to this: If it is such a good deal, it should be done with private investment money and no Government subsidies. If it is not a good enough deal for private investors, why would it be a good deal for taxpayers, especially taxpayers not yet born (taxation without representation?). If citizens are so naïve that they fall for the idea that some magical government genie can wave the wand and pay for this, I guess their children and grandchildren deserve what they get. The cost of installing these in the bottom of the ocean and extending them hundreds of yards in the air is astronomical. Foreign countries economically benefit from their installation, but America will pay for the dismantling and decommissioning of them in 20 years or s0 (none of which is paid for). Ecologically, they are a menace and disrupt normal sea life until they get removed. You have a benign, cheap, clean, and abundant source in nuclear energy. You have to be smart enough to see that these projects are only a method to funnel Government money to corporations that will funnel some of it back to the Congressmen and President that are pushing the project. Please, for the sake of the environment and your posterity, do not further bankrupt our nation just because some crooks convinced you that it was good, when it is only good for them.

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      We are not even seeking low cost bids like the other Northeast states are doing. We are the only ones giving the utility cart blanche to spend as much as they want to develop the project.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      we crossed the rubicon some time ago when we tried to open up competition for electricity in Virginia and it went down hard.

      Dominion is a state-regulated monopoly utility , guaranteed cost-plus-profit for whatever is used to produce electricity in Va.

      Been this way for coal, for gas, for nukes , and now for renewables.

      Do you want Virginia’s approach to the electric grid or Texas unregulated , open-competition market where no one entity is responsible for realiability?

  13. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    I just love it when my utility payments are turned in multi-million dollar slick TV ads to promote the mega projects I am concerned about.

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