Will Virginia Be Ruled from Sacramento?

by Kerry Dougherty

Turns out former Gov. Ralph Northam is the gift that keeps on giving.

Not only do Virginia’s school children continue to suffer academically because of Northam’s hasty, hysterical and prolonged school closures, but most of us were shocked this week to learn that California’s boneheaded new rules regarding a draconian move to electric vehicles will apply to the Old Dominion as well, thanks to a bill Northam signed into law in 2021, linking Virginia to California’s clean air standards, the strictest in the world.

Lucky us.

Before the California measure was finalized last week, Steve Haner wrote for the Suffolk News-Herald that thanks to Northam and his Democratic cronies in the General Assembly, we are now serfs to California’s wacky politics.

Virginia’s auto industry overlords in California have a new set of proposed mandates for both electric and internal combustion vehicles that, once adopted, will automatically apply here in the commonwealth.

They do not advance the date for banning the sale of new gasoline and diesel vehicles earlier than 2035 but do increase the incremental targets for percentage of EV sales in earlier years.

Virginia’s dying news media cannot cover this state anymore, so don’t expect coverage of actions in Sacramento. And, of course, the corporate media is now dominated by editors, writers and owners committed to the war on fossil fuels…

The claim is that adopting this will reduce greenhouse gas emissions 50% by 2040, which is conceivable only if the claim applies solely to motor vehicle emissions. The slide also shows vehicle greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions going down about 20% in that period if these regulations are not imposed. The regulations have even less impact on vehicle nitrous oxide (NOx) emissions, also dropping on their own…

Bowing under federal regulations is one thing, as Virginians get to vote for members of Congress and the president. No one in Virginia votes for California’s legislators or governor (or can sign a California initiative and referendum petition).

But we do vote on the Virginia legislature again in 16 (15) months.

In other words, Virginians are now bound by far-left climate rules dreamed up by Californians.

How did we get to such an insane place? By giving control of the General Assembly and the Governor’s Mansion to Democrats, however briefly. Like their radical counterparts in Washington, left-wing politicians in Richmond proved to be talented at doing a great deal of damage in a short amount of time.

In 2021, the liberal Virginia Mercury described HB1965 and the rest of the climate package this way:

Preeminent within the package was House Bill 1965 from Del. Lamont Bagby, D-Henrico. Bagby’s clean cars bill allows the State Air Pollution Control Board to adopt not only California’s low-emission vehicle standards, which are stricter than those imposed by the federal government, but also its zero-emission vehicle standards that set binding targets for electric vehicle sales as a proportion of all sales by manufacturers in the state.

Now that Virginia has come to its senses and wrenched partial control from the hands of Democrats, conservative leaders say they will try to undo the damage done by their predecessors. That won’t be easy unless at least one Democrat in the Virginia Senate defects.

“House Republicans will advance legislation in 2023 to put Virginians back in charge of Virginia’s auto emission standards and its vehicle marketplace. Virginia is not, and should not be, California,” House Speaker Todd Gilbert said in a statement.

Look, electric vehicles are fine. If you want one. But why would Virginia adopt the radical plans of a state which is undergoing an exodus of citizens eager to escape the laws coming out of Sacramento?

According to CNBC, the population of California has been declining for 30 years, with 360,000 Californians moving to other states in 2021.

Where did they head? Not to leftie paradises like New York or Massachusetts. Instead, they went to Texas and Florida.

A poll of Virginians would undoubtedly show that they don’t want to live in California either. But here we are, thanks to Northam and company.

This column has been republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed & Unedited.


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102 responses to “Will Virginia Be Ruled from Sacramento?”

  1. disqus_VYLI8FviCA Avatar
    disqus_VYLI8FviCA

    The stupidity of the Northam administration is truly breathtaking. In the spirit of climate zealotry we cedeed our autonomy and state governance to California? It’s really hard to believe anyone thought this was a smart idea, but here we are. Sanctimony and ignorance are such a dangerous combination, and we get to see the results thanks to the dems of Virginia. Were it not true, this would be impossible to believe.

  2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Several comments:

    1. Just because Kerry dislikes the California does not make them “boneheaded”. In addition to Virginia, at least 14 other states have tied in to the California rules.

    2. Most of those states are governed by Democrats, but not all. Republicans are in control of both houses of the Pennsylvania legislature and the governor of Maryland is a Republican. Both of those states are in the list of states tied in to the California rules.

    3. If the Virginia law is repealed, Virginians will not be “back in charge of Virginia’s auto emission standards,” despite what Speaker Todd Gilbert says. They will have to comply with federal standards.
    4. Kerry just can’t let go of her animosity toward Northam. It is true that he did order schools closed in the spring of 2020, at the beginning of the pandemic. Subsequent closures, including the “prolonged” ones were not the result of a gubernatorial order from Richmond, but, rather, the decisions of local school boards.

    1. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
      Virginia Gentleman

      Thanks Dick for sharing. With the massive volume of right wing drivel – BR is almost becoming unreadable. It is good to read a fact based response.

      1. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Then leave and don’t announce it if you don’t like the reporting. Points that are “someone doesn’t like someone else” is not fact based.

        1. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
          Virginia Gentleman

          No – I am fine. But thanks for your suggestion. If your reading comprehension was higher, you would easily be able to identify Dick’s fact based comments.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “If your reading comprehension was higher, you would easily be able to identify Dick’s fact based comments.”

            Still false, it is DHS’s opinion. Perhaps you shouldn’t question others “reading comprehension” when you can’t discern the difference between fact and opinion.

            However, seeing as you identify anything you don’t agree with as drivel as well introducing non sequiturs, one can’t expect much out of you.

          2. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
            Virginia Gentleman

            Really – all of Dick’s comments were his opinions only? No facts? Point number one mentioning 14 other states was not a fact? Sure looks like that way to me.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            You determine something is fact when it fits your confirmation bais.

            1) Is an argumentum ad populum as reason someone isn’t “boneheaded”. That doesn’t make it correct or a fact.

            2)Governor’s don’t make laws so the notion a Rep. Governor in Maryland matters is again fallacious.

            3) Current federal law doesn’t indicate we will stop allowing manufacturing of gasoline vehicles in 2035. So another fallacy.

            4)Has not root in fact every, it’s a dig at Kerry whom he doesn’t like.

            Anymore questions, learn what makes something a fact vs opinion.

          4. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
            Virginia Gentleman

            At least 14 states other states have tied in to the California rules is a fact. Nothing that you write is going to change that fact. His opinion on top of that fact also doesn’t change the fact. Anymore questions – grow up.

          5. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            That wasn’t DHS point, his point was that it didn’t make them “boneheaded” which is subjective and again opinion. Which is why I called it a fallacious statement.

            Says the person who lacks reading comprehension and is a f’ concern troll. Learn what a fact vs opinion is jagoff.

          6. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
            Virginia Gentleman

            He was supporting his “opinion” with facts. Thus it was a fact based response. Should I use smaller words?

          7. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            False, it was a fallacious argumentum ad populum. Which is why it wasn’t fact, I think you should use words you know the meaning, which clearly will not occur as you vastly over estimate your abilities.

          8. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
            Virginia Gentleman

            Oh – a falacious argumentum ad populum. Gets me every time. Thanks Debate Team Champ. LOL

          9. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Nice response chump, one doesn’t haven’t to be in a debate to invoke a fallacy. Hence why his response was opinion, but yes you can deflect from the fact you’re wrong all you like.

            Give up on the sounding smart, that ship sailed when your first started commenting.

          10. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
            Virginia Gentleman

            Debate Team Champ has to have the last word. You win Champ.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      1. 15/50 = 30%. Fewer than a third of the states have elected to surrender their autonomy to California’s rules.

      2. Maryland is a deep blue state even of they (temporarily) have a Republican governor.

      3. The federal laws are less onerous than California’s. Meanwhile, as Kerry accurately points out, Virginia is directly represented in the federal government and not at all represented in California’s government.

      4. Northam ordered a lot of things closed around COVID. Schools were just one thing. Leaving the matter to local school boards was a cop out, just like outsourcing our environmental laws to California. I have no evidence that shows schools that closed were safer from the ill-effects of COVID than schools that stayed open.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        His #4 was pointless as it had nothing to do with the article and was more of a dig at Kerry. He doesn’t like it when people do it to him, but he’s all on board with doing it to others.

    3. Lefty665 Avatar

      1. Just because Kerry dislikes the California does not make them “boneheaded”.

      Exactly right. California has achieved “boneheaded” all on its own, and it rises to that level only on a good day. It needs no help from anyone else.

    4. Lefty665 Avatar

      1. Just because Kerry dislikes the California does not make them “boneheaded”.

      Exactly right. California has achieved “boneheaded” all on its own, and it rises to that level only on a good day. It needs no help from anyone else.

  3. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    I don’t have a problem with Virginia adopting California’s stricter vehicle emission standards. I expect that at some point the feds will subject urban areas such as NoVA or Tidewater to these or similar standards anyway.

    I do object to the so-called “zero emissions” standards outlawing new vehicles powered by fossil fuels that were adopted by another government that Virginians have no say in. I just hope that Dutch or Sri Lankan organic agricultural laws aren’t the next thing to be adopted.

    It’s true that electric vehicles produce almost no emissions (except possible a little ozone) at the vehicle, but most of our electricity presently comes from fossil fuel fired power plants, and they produce emissions. It will be a long time (if ever) before there is adequate solar and wind generated electricity to replace fossil fuel generated electricity and the additional electricity required by electric vehicles.

    I wonder what apartment dwellers will do if they can’t buy gas or diesel vehicles. It’s not too difficult to add a charger circuit to a newer house, but adding electric service to dozens or hundreds of chargers will be difficult and expensive, and lead to substantial rent increases.

    1. Maybe United Airlines and others will do their part to cut emissions…… and stop flying their fuel sucking planes into/out of CA and VA….. and wealthy eco-wacos will be denied landing rights as well……wow, that’s funny as read it.

    2. James Kiser Avatar
      James Kiser

      the infrastructure of the present electrical system can’t handle it.

      1. Paul Sweet Avatar
        Paul Sweet

        Somehow I can’t imagine new power lines getting approved in a timely fashion, unless they are underground (and many times more expensive, which will hike electric rates even faster). Solar farms are also running into resistance.

        I believe that technology has improved enough for most vehicles to be electric in the future, but it will take a few decades to get all the required infrastructure into place, not just a few years. China and other dictatorships might be able to do it in that time, but not a nation with a representative government.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          re: ” I believe that technology has improved enough for most vehicles to be electric in the future, but it will take a few decades to get all the required infrastructure into place, not just a few years.”

          It’s here and just like other technology – the price will come down the and capability will go up.

          I bet every one of these luddite wannabes has a cell phone and uses the internet.

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “I believe that technology has improved enough for most vehicles to be electric in the future, but it will take a few decades to get all the required infrastructure into place, not just a few years.”

          Very, very true statement. Not to mention the advancements that need to take place in batteries to allow for longer trip duration. Most people are used to pulling into a gas station filling up and heading on their merry way, they aren’t accustomed to sitting for an hour to charge.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            Saw a Wash Post article the other day that folks are predicting an 80% charge in 10 minutes. That ain’t bad, but at that rate it’s a lot denser watts. That would move the decimal on power grid capacity over what is needed for slower charges.

            If charging overnight at home @ 230v is 30 amps @ 8 hours (55kw), it would be 240 amps @ 1 hour and 1,440 amps @ 10 minutes.

            That last one is a circuit capable of delivering 330kw an hour (vs 6kw an hour over night). Not sure I want to be in the vicinity of a battery taking a charge at that rate. If a station had 10 of them it would need a 3,300kw service. Nationwide that’s a lotta infrastructure and it ain’t all needed just when the sun is shining.

            Makes a gas station look like a pretty benign and efficient operation.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            That’s spot on, it’s like what Tesla advertises with the supercharger. They don’t tell you the last 10-20% takes hours to get to. It’s also currently offered and a low rate, once everyone is forced that rate won’t stay low.

        3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
          energyNOW_Fan

          Liberals believe when they set 2035 deadline, that is FINAL. Even if it is a pipe dream. Example is cellulosic ethanol mandate, which was a pipe dream, but then they said it was OK to substitute corn ethanol, when that became impossible.

    3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      As I believe some liberals here will point out, the only safe level of emissions is Zero. Thus the Ca emissions rules will be steadily ramped to zero, so you will never meet zero without zero.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Not true. It’s not the CO2, it’s the type of C.

        1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
          energyNOW_Fan

          I am a chemist, please explain??

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Old v. New. C13/14 v. C12 ratio. Burning wood versus coal. Also the uptake of CO2 by plants differs with isotope.

            https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/isotopes/stable.html

    4. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      They’ll become standard features in the parking lots for apts and at work.

      And people WILL embrace them just as they have higher MPG , lower emission cars.

      The skeptics and deniers represent less than 25% of the opinion on climate and the need to act. And most of them are GOP and Conservatives… the usual suspects.

  4. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Does anyone really believe that California, Virginia, Maryland or any other affected state will have sufficient electric generation capacity, much less adequate, hardened distribution grid well in advance of the mandatory phase-out of internal combustion engines? Any intelligent government would be working on this before it decided to eliminate motor vehicles as we know them today.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      CA already has a problem with Power Generation so the notion that they’ll be more better come 2035 is laughable.

      1. James Kiser Avatar
        James Kiser

        It is why newsome is fighting to keep the Nuc station open.

      2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        California (as well as New York, New England) has the capability to import cheap renewable Hydro power (US Gov’t built) from the PNW (and Canada in the case of New England). The ability to import cheap Hydro convinces Ca. liberals (1) that they are superior human beings, and (2) that everyone else should be doing this. But we do not have access to cheap Hydro for import. Anyways Canada could benefit by making more cheap Hydro.

        P.S. we also have a hot summer and cold winter

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      WVa is huge electric power exporter to Va. and the grid. You can start to understand Joe Manchin’s apparent logic: He seems to be pro-coal and pro-nat gas for power, but ready to throw gaso cars “under the bus” to profit from the power needs.

      1. Paul Sweet Avatar
        Paul Sweet

        I believe that is because VEPCO built their Mt. Storm plant right next to a coal mine in WVa and ran power lines to NoVa.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          which makes one wonder why they can’t do the same with gas instead of needing a pipeline.

          1. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            NIMBYs probably hate overhead powerlines even more than pipelines.

    3. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      They WILL if you anti-solar/wind folks will get out of the way!

    4. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2022/01/Wind-and-Ice.jpg

      And hey, Virginia Gentleman, coward that you are hiding your name — do you think for one second Virginia Mercury would run a guest column from me? But Dick and others even further on the Left are posting here constantly. If anything this blog gets more and more balanced over time. But that is not what you want and if you controlled, that would not be tolerated.

      1. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
        Virginia Gentleman

        Wow — coward? There appears to be a number of people who don’t identify themselves – are they all cowards? Or just the ones that don’t agree with you? You don’t know me at all – so you have no idea what I would want and what I would do. But that is your problem – you don’t seem to understand that you don’t know everything.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Yes, I hold all those who hide behind pseudonyms in lower regard. I wish Bacon would disallow that. His blog..

          1. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
            Virginia Gentleman

            Hmm – I can think of many great reasons to have a pseudonym. And I bet if you thought about it a little more – you could as well. You’re a smart man.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Especially FBI agents in Florida.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Facts not entered into evidence.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Yes, we are all such, even those of us who care about his health and wellbeing.

          Of course, if it were only “real sounding names” (true verifiable names requires a credit card) who were allowed, per Steve, then the only folks commenting here would be Steve, Sherlock, Dick, and maybe DJ.

          James Bacon? A likely name, HA! Bill Kielbasa is more believable.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        ” If anything this blog gets more and more balanced over time. ”

        Yes, this is appearing to be the case, unless it involves the Confederacy, VMI (same thing), statues of confederates, or UVa. Then, the blinders go on.

        Karen just rags on whetever pops into her head, and with just about as much thought.

      3. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Even balanced and unbalanced liberals are entitled to pseudonyms. You can be forgiven for a momentary lapse of congeniality or reason. In fact, I don’t recall anyone ever characterizing your posts with name calling.

        1. Aren’t most liberals unbalanced?

          😉

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          well, not really momentarily – he just can’t control it well… especially when discussion on the merits is a pain and easier to attack folks rather than issues.

        3. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          The label was not justified. “Chicken” might have worked better. I have made it clear a long time I don’t like the pseudonyms. I know who Larry Gross is and I know the name behind Acbar, but I’d still insist on named comments, just like the newspaper editorial pages do.

  5. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    Don’t worry Hanger a so called republican in the Valley will side with the democrats and keep us under the control of CA. BTW Bjorn Lomborg has written several articles in the WSJ. According to him inputting all this claptrap from Biden,Northam and Newsome into the UN climate models reduces world temps .000069 degrees. Because no one else is reducing their carbon footprint one bit. Starvation is rearing its head in Indonesia as farmers are forbidden to use commercial fertilizers , celebrities like Harrison Ford and Taylor Swift have their private jets spewing tons of carbon into the air and yet lecture the rest of us on eco issues. And the Fed Reserve and its employees all took a carbon heavy vacation in Jackson Hole at taxpayer expense. Folks the coup has already occured every federal agency is expanding its personnel roles, its weapons and its ammo stocks. Congress is impotent and has no authority at all. One note England utility board which sets electric and natural gas prices has announced that utility costs will increase 80%. Pop some popcorn while you can get it and enjoy the sh*t show that is coming down the tracks.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Emmett Hanger will do no such thing. Jill Vogel is the one most likely to defect.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        You think Vogel, who owns Holtzman Oil and Propane would defect?

      2. James Kiser Avatar
        James Kiser

        Hanger I have found since moving to the Valley talks tough but usually sides with democrats on may issues. He has done zilch to get anything done to widen T81.

      3. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Not the first time.

    2. I find it difficult to believe that Emmett Hanger would side with the democrats on this. Before redistricting, he was my state senator, so I have kept track of his performance for the last 10 years or so. He is not exactly someone I would consider overly interested in draconian environmental laws/regulations.

  6. Adrian Pols Avatar
    Adrian Pols

    I do wonder how states like California will handle the situation regarding citizens buying cars from dealers in Nevada or Arizona and bringing them in to California. Surely they have waiting in the wings authoritarian new laws forbidding that and there’s also the ( also waiting in the wings) the program of putting gas stations out of business by whatever they can come up with. Also, by 2035 they plan on shutting down municipal NatGas distribution. As for switching current NatGas users, industrial and residential, over to electricity, that should be interesting indeed in a state with an already overloaded grid and no prospect whatever adding new generation capacity. Maybe they rely on God to provide? Oh wait, they don’t believe in God.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Do you remember cars that were “California emission”? If the car did not comply with the California rules, it could not be registered in California.

      This was 60 years ago.

      You luddite folks are fairly predictable. You’ve been at it for 50-80 years.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Well, Nevada, Oregon and Washington are also Section 177 states just like Virginia, so they’ll have to go further.

      Check this out! Just saw it on Facebook. Person who posted it said he needed the new battery at 79K. $26,800 for the replacement part.

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2022/08/EV-Repair-Bill.jpg

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Thanks for finding that. Did you see the response in the comments where somebody came back with this: a re-manufactured battery is only $9100. Only.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Less than a 7-day W&M Viking river cruise. BTW, do you know the cost of an engine? A Yanmar JH-80 diesel is $17,000 barebones.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Slightly more entertaining is the following:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAhwiQ95Wg

        Tesla’s batteries a individuals cells that make up the whole, which if you replaced the individual cell that went bad it wouldn’t be so expensive. However, they don’t want to undertake the effort to figure out which cell went so they hit you for the whole battery. Which ironic or not typically occurs after the warrant lapses.

      2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        small Li battery for my new EGO lawn mower costs almost as much as the mower itself. Smallest hybrid Prius battery (NiMH chemistry) runs $3000-$4000 to replace at the shop. Maybe $2000 if you could install yourself (needs special DIY skills, not for everyone).

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Tells you something about the mower.

      3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        What’s a bit confusing to me,
        Here are the “full CARB” California states
        California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont.

        Here are what I call “partial CARB” states
        Colorado, Delaware, Pennsylvania and Washington

        Those are states with vehicles fully or partially CARB compliant.

        Virginia is not among them. So I am confused why in 2035 Virginia all of sudden starts to comply with California. I am confused how Section 177 fits in.

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          Will Virginia mandate emissions testing for vehicles over 25 years old like California does? Maybe Virginia should mandate emissions testing statewide. That should go over real well in, say, Richmond….

      4. how_it_works Avatar
        how_it_works

        And here we have a dealer who told someone they needed $4000 in parts to repair their 2019 Chevy 1500, when the real problem was a $20 ground strap:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CFZcO4NDhI&t=6s&ab_channel=SouthMainAutoRepairLLC

    3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      That’s a question people are asking. It could be hard to get warranty services if you had to commute out-of-state.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Only if it dies where they’ve not heard of ‘lectricty. Basically anywhere from Alabama to New Mexico.

  7. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Probably 90% of Ca. vehicle emissions are from Trucks, so the focus on cars is liberal extremism. But I wonder what Ca. trucks do in 2035?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      BIG REALLY BIG batteries!

      Have you ever seen a tandem rig in Australia? Good. Now, imagine that the first container is a battery.

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        …also corn oil diesel fuels

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          If you want to waste food in your fuel tank… a still is my choice.

      2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        …also corn oil diesel fuels

    2. MORE SLAVES MUST TOIL! Democrats will not give a moment of empathy to the enslaved black children in countries that have the minerals in abundance.

  8. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    re: California vs Federal emission standards

    Folks do realize where the Federal Standards came from, right?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d06d2344e358c6e06fa59299deec250994f821817a35359b3f2536d1678e1dc2.jpg

  9. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Neither Kerry nor other “boneheads” can let COVID go. It had to be somebody’s fault… Northam, the CDC, the schools, on and on.

    bonehead is the right word.

  10. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Since writing my two earlier columns I’ve learned that the California Air Resources Board is actually in Riverside, not in Sacramento….but it was an executive order from Governor Newsom that played a key role in all this.

    The worst thing about the 2021 Bagby bill was that it overrode the regulatory process. Virginia became a full Section 177 state (yes, one of many, which Fox News missed over the weekend) with no comment period, little if any public notice, on an accelerated schedule. They wanted to get it on Northam’s desk before he left. Which they did.

    This is going to collapse quickly. The mandate is for about 35% of new car sales to comply in the 2025 model year and then it jumps to about 45% immediately the next year. Won’t happen. No way. They won’t have the batteries for one thing.

    My neighbor with a Tesla now has a second one, but both are parked outside. Fire risk?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Or, as my brother’s wife once whispered to me while viewing the new house of some friends, “Oh these poor people. They have nothing. They keep cars in their garage.”

      It’s aspirational. “We’ll put a man n the moon by the end of the decade.” “We will have a lasting peace within 6 months of the Paris Accords.” “Cars will routinely get 40MPG by following the CAFE Standards.” Oh well, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Do you think your neighbor is paying Tesla car tax like an individual? or business deduction. I do not know anyone with Tesla up here in NoVA to ask. Of course our car tax is high, but some ways to escape it are active military (which we a have a lot here) and historically Tesla’s were cheaper as a business expense.

  11. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    There is no need for zero CO2 emissions from cars. As far as I am concerned this is extremist action by Dems who have hated Big Oil since around 1974, or even 1969 if you want to go back to the roots of EPA formation (Santa Barbara oil spill).

    But the problem I see FORD, GM, and Toyota-USA is now joining to ask Congress to rapidly ban gaso cars for USA. They want to stop making gaso cars (in the USA), and force us into EV’s. They also want to see protectionist rules (per the new IRA act) essentially forcing consumers to buy the cars from made-in-American shops. Good business if you can get Congress to mandate people to buy your products.

    I would like to understand why the autos are taking this leftist position, but I can see some of the business reasons: lay off current work-force and restructure to be more nimble, mandate purchase of USA-made cars (get out of competition with Japan who makes the best hybrids).

    If Red States want to continue buying gaso cars, they will apparently need to start up their own Red State Gaso car manufacturing companies. Ironically, many U.S. EVs are being made in new Red State plants because the manufacturers do not want to locate in Blue State “Taxachusetts”. So there is going to be Red State support for EV’s for that reason.

    EV’s are a pain in the butt, with liberals working hard to green wash EV’s and avoid telling the public the negatives. We will learn the hard way EV’s are not the panacea being claimed.

    Very expensive, we probably need to get rid of Car Tax, get rid of Car Dealers, give huge subsidies to buyers, give EV’s single-driver access to HOV lanes, etc. to make it work. Single driver access to HOV was California’s secret EV sales tool-of-choice.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar

      get out of competition with Japan who makes the best hybrids

      We are on our second Ford Fusion hybrid. Both have been excellent cars. We put more than 100k miles on the first one, a 2011, before giving it to a relative where it’s still going strong. The current one, a 2018, has been impeccable and averages well over 40mpg. Ford did an excellent job with them.

      Some analysis shows that hybrids may be the lowest emission over the life cycle of the vehicles.

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Tell me about it….I run the Hybrid Vehicle Lobby Assoc, which is a one-man band featuring yours truly driving around in a red RAV4HV (after our 2006 Prius died). I paid $28k for RAV4HV in 2020, but it’ll run you close to $40k at the moment.

      2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Tell me about it….I run the Hybrid Vehicle Lobby Assoc, which is a one-man band featuring yours truly driving around in a red RAV4HV (after our 2006 Prius died). I paid $28k for RAV4HV in 2020, but it’ll run you closer to $40k at the moment.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          Hybrids rule!

          What inspired us to the new Fusion Hybrid was the deal Ford cut at the end of the model year, $29k sticker $19k out the door. Expect it’s worth more than that 4 years later. Some market.

          1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
            energyNOW_Fan

            Holy cow nice price! However, other states (not Va.) you could get (prior to 2022 inflation) a luxury Prius Plug-in for that price, given $4500 Federal rebate and up to $5000 state rebate in some states, and those states have no annual car tax so it is free and clear.

          2. Yeah, we were happy with the older one, but Ford made us a model year end offer we could not refuse. The newer one also gets close to 10mpg better average economy and battery operation at higher speed.

  12. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Another brilliant idea from California – legislating the use of fire retardant materials in home furniture (1975). Furniture makers decided it was cheaper to put the fire retardants into all furniture rather than run two production lines – one for California and another for everyplace else.

    Only one problem …

    The fire retardants were found to be cancer causing.

    Uh oh!

    https://time.com/4462892/couch-cancer-flame-retardants/

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I think if you check California standards on cancer-causing materials, you’ll find that overall they are much stricter than most other states.

      Not to say they did not take some wrong turns on the way, but at the end of the day, they are tougher and, in fact, they are cited as so tough as to discourage business.

      California has lead the way on restrictions on cancer-causing chemicals. You can often see them on the labels of products.

    2. All things considered, I’ll take the quick painful death from my sofa setting me on fire over the slow painful death from my sofa giving me cancer…

      😉

  13. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Liberal voices:
    I just went through this entire thread to see if any voice supporting California had any technical justification for Virginia needing to follow.

    I mainly heard California is not a “bonehead” but that was disputed.

  14. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Time to change the nickname of California from the Golden State to the Incompetent State. “Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/californians-told-not-to-charge-electric-cars-days-after-gas-car-sales-ban/ar-AA11jhPN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ffaaaad82bc44182eb6d257bc9da624b

    Newsom is clearly better at signaling his virtue than in developing competent public policies. No wonder the MSM loves him.

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Human behavior dictates, if you politically support EV’s for example, there is no risk big enough to scare you. You are willing to accept any and all downside to get your way. So what if there is are difficult periods? It beats the alternative, right?

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Most people truly want to go back to the lifestyle and quality of life of their second or third great grandparents. When private jets are outlawed, I’ll think more positively about EV-related hardship.

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