Why Teachers Are Resigning: Student Behavior

Source: Chalkboard Review

by James A. Bacon

Why are so many teachers resigning from Virginia’s public schools? Based on widespread anecdotal evidence, I have suggested that the breakdown in classroom discipline is a major contributing factor, especially in high-poverty schools. But anecdotes are just that — anecdotal — and others blame low pay, COVID, or meddling right-wing parents. Now comes a survey of teachers in six Midwestern states who have resigned or will resign before the start of the 2022-23 school year. Among the 615 respondents, students’ “classroom behavior” is hands-down the biggest issue.

Key findings: “319 of the 615 responders listed student behavior as their biggest reason to leave the classroom, followed by 138 for ‘progressive political activity’ and 134 for ‘salary is insufficient.’”

The survey was conducted by the Chalkboard Review, which was founded in 2020 to provide a “heterodox outlet” for news and commentary from educators. By emphasizing diversity of opinion, it is safe to assume, “heterodox” is roughly synonymous with “non-Woke.” So, one must take into account the possible biases of those conducting the survey. (See the description of the methodology here.)

The usual left-wing explanations for shattered teacher morale — interfering parents, COVID-19, school shootings, standardized testing, lack of materials — barely register in the survey responses.

The conclusions are so astonishingly one-sided that, even though they support the Bacon’s Rebellion narrative, they warrant closer inspection. Could Chalkboard Review have polled a biased sample? Tony Kinnett, executive director of Chalkboard Review, provides this caveat:

Limiting factors via survey distribution and internal mechanisms functioned as an endeavor to keep the data safer from the taint of political advocacy—though I will admit there is no way to keep something like this sterile. Most likely, a different set of 615 qualified responders would yield a different result, therefore I only pose that this is the best data I could collect independently, at the current time.

Giving some credibility to the findings is that 58% of the respondents were members of a teacher’s union. The poll did not control for political party, however, and Kinnett says that he should have added other resignation options such as, “I’ve reached retirement age” and “inter-personal staff disagreements.” He hopes to conduct a larger, nationwide survey this fall.

There is always the possibility that the results are so lopsided because they do reflect the reality of teaching in the Age of Wokeness — as Bacon’s Rebellion has been arguing for years.

Here in Virginia, “progressives” review traditional disciplinary policies — the supposed cause of the “school to prison pipeline” — as a significant cause of racial disparities in educational outcomes. Progressives have succeeded in overhauling policies and practices regarding school discipline across the state, and their “restorative justice” approach has had years to take effect, although conclusions about its efficacy are clouded by the disruption of the COVID epidemic and a year-long shift to remote learning.

The Virginia Department of Education publishes data on disciplinary offenses and punishments in Virginia schools. But year-to-year comparisons are a problem because the institutional pressures for teachers and administrators to under-report infractions is intense. The most reliable indicator we have is the number of teacher resignations. Teachers might fudge their disciplinary reports to make administrators happy, but they don’t fake their resignations. If the responses of Midwestern school teachers are reflective of sentiments among their Virginia peers, we know exactly why schools are bleeding teachers.

What does the Virginia data say?

In October, 2021 the Northam administration conducted an extensive survey of K-12 teachers and staff on school climate and working conditions. It explored attitudes toward COVID-19, diversity, racism, and mental illness, among other issues. Overall, teachers and staff reported very positive attitudes toward their schools — 17.8% describing the atmosphere as positive, and 15.4% very positive, and more than 90% describing their school as “a good place to work and learn.”

The question logically arises: if everything was so peachy, why are teachers leaving Virginia schools in droves?

Here’s another disconnect: VDOE asked teachers if working conditions were getting better or worse.

There are some warning signs here — 18.5% of classroom instructors thought that things were getting somewhat or much worse — but there was nothing to indicate mass resignations. Conversely, 27% thought that conditions were getting better.

The survey did not query about classroom discipline in a meaningful way. When asked to rate 14 factors affecting conditions in the classroom, the VDOE survey listed “managing student behavior.” Asked to rate the factor on a 1-to-6 scale from strongly agree to strongly disagree, teachers responded with a median score of 4.7. The report is unclear about what that means. Are teachers agreeing that “managing student behavior” is an important contributor to school climate? Does it mean they are satisfied or dissatisfied with their ability to manage student behavior? As far as I can tell, the survey tells us nothing.

The teacher shortage appears to be reaching crisis proportions, and it may be the biggest challenge facing Governor Glenn Youngkin’s education team this year. To address the shortage, the governor needs to get a clear and authoritative understanding of why teachers are leaving. Conducting a comprehensive survey — and asking the right questions — is a necessary first step.


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39 responses to “Why Teachers Are Resigning: Student Behavior”

  1. Chalkboard Review claims heterodoxy, but based on a sampling of their “intellectually diverse” content, it seems they just want a different homodoxy, pardon the pun.

    1. A lot of these categories would need expanding. “Progressive Policies” is vague and covers a lot of topics. CRT? LGBT items? Same as Parent Demands which could range from lesson plans to disciplinary action.

      Behavior would also be interesting to see split into different categories.

  2. DISINFORMATION — these respondents are obviously Right wing MAGA BOTS.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Behavior is learned at home.

    But if Republicans would allow the schools to teach the proper use of a condom then they wouldn’t have to teach how to cook bacon.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    JAB complains that VPAP won’t consider BR a “news” site.

    😉

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      If you think Virginia Mercury is any different, you probably deny that the left uses violence to achieve its means. Oh, wait, you do.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        there is a difference between bias and just outright gaslighting…. though and the “left uses violence – what the heck does that even mean especially so in the context of this Heritage guy ginning bogus polls that JAB is presenting as legitimate?

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I’ll give you credit – you quickly found out this “poll” was anything but AND you said so and exposed it as such!

        I’d have no more faith in a NEA or VEA poll.

        and normally newspapers don’t do polls by themselves they usually get some higher ed types or Gallup or Pew, right?

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          Not so. The major networks including Trumpstream media consistently sponsor polls with their names attached.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            oh yeah.. but we usually can see it. In this case, JAB slips it in a blog post like it is a legitimate poll.. just disingenuous and akin to gaslighting.

          2. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            Always read the details on the method and examine the questionnaire for bias. Always.

          3. “JAB slips it in a blog post like it is a legitimate poll…”

            Yeah, I “slipped it in” alright. I guess that explains why I wrote the following:

            “The conclusions are so astonishingly one-sided that, even though they support the Bacon’s Rebellion narrative, they warrant closer inspection. Could Chalkboard Review have polled a biased sample? Tony Kinnett, executive director of Chalkboard Review, provides this caveat:

            Limiting factors via survey distribution and internal mechanisms functioned as an endeavor to keep the data safer from the taint of political advocacy—though I will admit there is no way to keep something like this sterile. Most likely, a different set of 615 qualified responders would yield a different result, therefore I only pose that this is the best data I could collect independently, at the current time.

            Giving some credibility to the findings is that 58% of the respondents were members of a teacher’s union. The poll did not control for political party, however, and Kinnett says that he should have added other resignation options such as, “I’ve reached retirement age” and “inter-personal staff disagreements.” He hopes to conduct a larger, nationwide survey this fall.

            The fact is, I’m a lot more honest about the sources I use and the limits of the data I cite than the Washington Post, Richmond Times-Dispatch or other mainstream outlets that cite studies to their liking entirely uncritically.

            Even if the survey results were biased (which they probably were), they do show that a substantial number of teachers cite student behavior as a reason for resigning.

    2. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      He’s correct in that assertion. VPAP selects largely from print media but naw accepts selections from Virginia Mercury and Cardinal News.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I think comparing BR to most news media, print or online is a stretch.

        News media is not without bias, yes but if you look at the “whole” of BR posts – it aint “news” at all for the most part – it’s more like a propaganda site for Conservative beliefs and lithurgy.

        1. You’re right, it is a stretch to compare BR to most news media. We’re up front with our biases, we are explicit about the narratives we push, and we invite critical commentary from people who vigorously disagree with us.

          1. LesGabriel Avatar
            LesGabriel

            BR also digs deeply into reports from State agencies like the SCC that never see the light of day in print or social media. For that alone, they deserve a lot of credit. One of the few places where one can find a serious and vigorous debate about issues that matter. Yes, there is some name-calling and attempts to cancel at times, but most of us learn to ignore those who wish to
            avoid facts and reason.

      2. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        I have no beef with either, really, except for their double standard when it comes to Jim and me. Either of us can and will write it totally straight if we wish. I’m not going to repeat the oft-told story of how we were first encouraged and then rejected by our old friend and colleague Mr. Poole.

  5. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    “The final date for survey data-collection data was July 10, 2022. The collection method was a locked Google Form, transmitted and requested via a hybrid method without advertising of any sort. This was done in an attempt to limit political charging, as often happens when someone shares a poll on Twitter, for example.”

    A glorified Internet poll. There is plenty of question bias (why not ask about conservative activity along with progressive?) but mainly this is sample bias. Not random interviews but filled out by those who wanted to fill it out, and after a couple of questions made the intent obvious that list got winnowed to those who wanted to take a shot at the schools they were leaving. The dead giveaway to me is the small number who checked “other.” “Other” would be big: family illness, normal retirement, job relocation, a break to go to graduate school…

    Talk to five or six principals or HR staff off the record, and they can tell you exactly what is going on. A major spike in turnover always demands inspection. It may indeed be the poor discipline, but this methodology cannot be trusted. You’ll learn more in the Teacher’s Lounge than from any Internet poll.

    1. wow – ‘Teacher’s Lounge’? how elitist… can’t have those in roles of authority and learning mixing with the great unwashed kids…..

  6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Hmmmm… are you saying Midwestern Conservative policies are resulting in a breakdown of discipline in the classroom…??? Hoo’da thunk it?!…

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Repeat: If there is an exodus, it demands examination. From any employer, really. But this was a weak survey method that found what it was looking for.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        not weak…. bogus….

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        BR has spent the last 2 years doing what many Conservatives have been doing and demonizing public education, from pillory to post, from administrators to teachers on things like “in-person/remote”, “masking”, CRT, DEI , “unions”, you name it – culture war on steroids.

        And now that they actually are leaving in droves, JAB is claiming it’s over “behavior” problems.

        Which may also be true but let’s put it this way, BR has not exactly been supportive of public education, administrators, teachers and along with other Conservatives it has enabled and empowered critics some of whom have also attacked personally teachers shown on TV and viral videos, twitter, etc , as well disrupted school board meetings, and in general, raised holy hell and acting like idiots and children.

        which anyone with half a brain knows that most teachers see it and feel it and piling all this other crap on top of their already hard and difficult job incentivizes them to look for better paying, easier jobs.

        not rocket science.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Repeat: If there is an exodus, it demands examination. From any employer, really. But this was a weak survey method that found what it was looking for.

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    This is amazing. You call attention to a survey of teachers in Midwestern states that obviously has methodological problems, but you give it credence because it seems to support your position. Yet, you cavalierly dismiss a survey of over 100,000 Virginia students and over 100,000 Virginia teachers and staff in which the respondents say that the atmosphere in their schools is largely good (median score of 2.95 out of 4, in which 4 is very positive) or their school is a good place to work and learn (median score of about 3.3 out of 4, where 4 is “strongly agree).

    There is one one side of the equation that has been overlooked in this discussion. You claim that teachers are leaving in “droves”. But is that really true? What we know is that there are an unusual number of vacancies. There are two factors contributing to vacancies: people leaving and people coming in. Is the number of teachers not coming back in the fall of 2022 unusual, compared to recent history? How many of those are attributable to retirements? Has the teacher workforce been getting older in recent years, resulting in a surge of retirements? (For comparison’s sake, the state’s workforce has been getting older, with greater percentages being eligible for retirement in recent years.)

    On the flip side (the input side), has the number of college graduates with education degrees and applying for teaching positions kept pace with the number of teachers retiring or leaving for other reasons? There is much less incentive for college graduates to go into teaching than there was 30 years ago, when the current crop that is now eligible for retirement began teaching. Primarily, women graduates, the traditional source of teachers, have many more opportunities in the private sector. Then, there are the salary differentials; teaching is hard work and the pay is not commensurate with the difficulty and responsibility of the job. As an added factor, the job market for the Class of 2022 was hot.

    There are also other factors that might be contributing to fewer graduates going into teaching, if that is the case. Teachers do not command the respect in society they once did. And, with the turmoil surrounding education this year due to the lingering effects of remote learning as a result of the pandemic and to the political fighting, it would be no wonder if a lot of college graduates, who would have considered a teaching career, had second thoughts and looked elsewhere for a job.

    In summary, before blaming the large number of vacancies on teachers leaving because of classroom conditions, a more thorough examination of all the factors involved in what is a complex situation is warranted.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      You make some excellent points. And the “point” in BR more often than not is to NOT take an objective look at thing but instead play the Conservative viewpoint to the hilt even when it is clearly not honest nor objective – like this one.

      re: ” In summary, before blaming the large number of vacancies on teachers leaving because of classroom conditions, a more thorough examination of all the factors involved in what is a complex situation is warranted.”

      Not usually in BR’s DNA unless someone like you does it. It’s certainly not going to come from JAB or most of his like-minded authors!

      Yeah, I’d easily trade 10 of the usual posts here for ONE good objective one!

      Bias is one thing – outright misrepresentation is another.

      Why JAB shamelessly posts such bogus polls like this one, claiming it’s valid is beyond me… not unexpected… and in my mind good that folks call him out for it.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        An invalid poll can reach a correct conclusion. 🙂

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Is that the same as a blind pig sometimes finding an acorn?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            oh wait.. that was Haner’s line, right? 😉

          2. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            I said it much more politely.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          how do you actually know if you are not already pre-disposed to your preferred answer? One thing to be inclined to confirmation bias – but a big step up to actually purposely promoting false narratives for the gullible and willing.

          Regardless of that, posting a bogus poll and portraying it as legitimate is why VPAP and others KNOW that BR is more a mouthpiece for conservative propaganda than “real” news……

          and more important – ya’ll all in the same tent when it comes to voting… right?

    2. I agree, Dick, a more thorough examination of the teacher shortage is called for. You raise a fair point — has the percentage of resigning teachers increased? How many departing teachers are retiring for entirely personal reasons?

      Your other observations mostly address the supply side, though. They might explain why the supply of teachers has not increased. It doesn’t explain the spike in resignations.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        JAB does this AFTER he posts the bogus poll… tsk tsk

        The other thing, Conservatives have been on a jihad against public education for years and it intensified during the pandemic.

        So I fully expect, JAB so now say that non-public “choice” schools don’t have all these resignations… ergo… a good thing… right?

        1. LesGabriel Avatar
          LesGabriel

          I keep hearing the term “bogus poll” yet there has been no substantive suggestion that this poll was “bogus”. Yes, there were acknowledged limitations, just as there are on any sampled poll.

  8. killerhertz Avatar
    killerhertz

    In Fauquier County teachers got a 13% pay raise. They are still complaining and our California liberal superintendent is already hinting that more change is needed. Color me not surprised.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I take it that you disapprove of the “California liberal superintendent.” He/she was hired by the school board, which is elected by the citizens of the county.

      1. killerhertz Avatar
        killerhertz

        Sure. I never voted for any of them. They don’t represent me and they all voted to close schools August 2020.

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