Why Shouldn’t Virginia’s Felons Have To Ask Their Voting Rights Restored?

by Kerry Dougherty

Lemme make sure I understand this: Virginia’s ACLU, that left-wing organization that sat on its derriere during Gov. Ralph Northam’s unconstitutional closure of churches and businesses, is suddenly active again.

Its lawyers want Virginia’s convicted felons to automatically get their voting rights back, even if they haven’t made restitution to their victims or paid their court costs. No matter how heinous their crimes or how repentant or unrepentant they are.

The priorities of this group are fully on display: they’re more worried about rapists and child molesters and carjackers being able to vote than they ever were about people of faith who simply wanted to attend worship services, or ordinary decent Virginians who simply wanted to earn a living during Covid.

Some of us waited in vain for those who claim to hold the U.S. Constitution dear to stand up to the dictatorial Gov. Northam, but the civil liberties crowd sat those battles out.

Yet now that a Republican governor is doing what the Virginia Supreme Court has ordered — that is, to review every felon’s request for a restoration of rights individually — they’re back in action.

The great defenders of civil liberties. For criminals, anyway.

Law-abiding Virginians who had their rights trampled? Meh.

There’s no reason to take this crowd seriously. And there’s no indication that Gov. Glenn Youngkin is turning down hordes of felons who yearn to exercise their franchise. In fact, according to the Virginia Mercury, Youngkin has restored the rights of about 4,300 felons in his first year in office.

That’s impressive. Indeed, it’s about as many restorations as Governors Tim Kaine and Mark Warner handled during their entire four-year terms.

Of course it’s nowhere near the 206,000 that Terry McAuliffe illegally tried to get on the rolls in time to vote for his pal, Hillary. Until the Virginia Supreme Court slapped him down, that is.

McAuliffe and Northam together restored the rights of hundreds of thousands of felons. They also appointed the most corrupt parole board in Virginia history, which freed killers and other violent criminals. We know where their hearts were and it wasn’t with the public’s safety.

Look, second chances are important for felons who have served their time, paid their fines and made restitution to their victims.

Youngkin is giving every felon a form to fill out when they’re released from prison that requests their voting rights back.

Is that too much to ask from those who have broken laws and hurt law-abiding Virginians?

I don’t think so.

Republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed and Unedited.


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42 responses to “Why Shouldn’t Virginia’s Felons Have To Ask Their Voting Rights Restored?”

  1. M. Purdy Avatar

    “Law-abiding Virginians who had their rights trampled? Meh.” I don’t get this statement. By definition, the felons in question have served their debt to society and the victims of such crimes. How does restoring voting rights negatively impact the victims of such crimes in any appreciable way? And why does the imposition of this new administrative hurdle cure the “rights being trampled” issue? There have been a number of posts that have been head-scratchers recently…We just plain angry these days, I guess…

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Basically if you commit a crime, you’re never forgiven and don’t deserve restoration or redemption.

      one and done.

      1. Randy Huffman Avatar
        Randy Huffman

        Did you read the article? It says”

        ” There’s no reason to take this crowd seriously. And there’s no indication that Gov. Glenn Youngkin is turning down hordes of felons who yearn to exercise their franchise. In fact, according to the Virginia Mercury, Youngkin has restored the rights of about 4,300 felons in his first year in office.

        That’s impressive. Indeed, it’s about as many restorations as Governors Tim Kaine and Mark Warner handled during their entire four-year terms.”

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          They should not have to have them “restored” after they have paid their debt to society IMO. You do your time and you get back to your life and try to not repeat. Can’t do that when you are still being penalized/

          1. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            Why not? What’s so hard about going through an application? If your serious about getting back into society and and moving on, the application process is not going to be an issue. I just don’t see the pushback on this.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It’s wrong to continue to penalize people after they have served their time.

            Many states do not do this. The states that do started doing it during jim crow.

            What justifies taking their right to vote away in the first place?

            https://www.jstor.org/stable/40040212

          3. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            Just because others do it doesn’t make it right, and what some may have done 100 years ago, or even 50 years ago, is irrelevant. Pulling the race discrimination card as this article does is just red meat politics at its worst. Felons forfeited their freedom, and with it voting rights, when they committed their crimes. When they are released most are on parole, right? So they are not yet totally free, they have to prove themselves.

            I’m no expert in this area, but voting rights is clearly the least of the problems or issues facing those released. Lots of statistics around on the large numbers of those who end up back in jail, particularly the violent offenders. What is automatically restoring voting rights going to do to help these people get back on track? If someone is serious about turning their life around, and wants to vote, going through this application process is likely a non issue, it may be part of the healing process. I actually would like to think the application process would be a positive step for them.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            You have to ask yourself why it was done in the first place and why not in all states but mostly southern states. You have to want to know this as part of your reasoning, IMO. This is not in the Constitution. It was made up during JIm Crow in the Southern States. Again, you have to want to know the history if you really want to hold an informed opinion on the issue, IMO. We don’t deny voting rights for people because we think some of them will re-offend. That’s NOT justice.

          5. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            Agree to disagree and we can end it there, we made our points.

          6. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            “Blacks comprised 43 percent of the population in jails in 2015 despite only comprising 20 percent of the state population, according to the Vera Institute of Justice. Their white counterparts only accounted for 43 percent of jail populations, despite making up 64 percent of the state’s total population.”

            While the incarceration RATE is higher for Blacks than for Whites, the number of people incarcerated is equal.

            Since people vote, rather than percentages, I don’t see he present system as being a prima facie racist mechanism to reduce Black voting.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            You have to ask yourself why the disenfranchisement was done in the first place. Which states did it and when and what states do it still now and which ones do not.

          8. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Still no rationale offered for stripping voting rights in the first instance. It’s likely difficult for former felons to “heal” when they are barred from public housing, many employment opportunities among several other privileges. Automatic restoral identical to automatic stripping would be society’s first step in assisting former felons to participate in the community. Sentence served is proof enough of status to be a participating citizen.

      2. M. Purdy Avatar

        Super, can we ignore Michael Flynn now?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          pardons…. pardons for those who deserve them… you gotta keep up here.. 😉

      3. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Why?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I was thinking back to when McAuliffe issued a mass pardon to felons and was then overruled by the courts but was able to then do them one at a time……

          I don’t know what happened after that in terms of rulings/legislation to sustain it or prohibit it.

          Clearly, Virginia is in a small minority of the states that continues this practice.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            That seems to be the substantive issue. No thought about a centuries old policy, statute, and practice conceived by the ancient Greeks to deal with “outlaws.”

    2. Randy Huffman Avatar
      Randy Huffman

      I believe that sentence applies to former Gov. Northam’s closure of churches, not victims. Its hard to follow but pretty sure that is what she is talking about. Its a dig on ACLU priorities.

      1. M. Purdy Avatar

        Ah, could be. As you said, hard to follow–a feature of BR these days.

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        That seemed clear to me from the start. what is hard to follow?

  2. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Why Shouldn’t Felons Have to Ask to Have Voting Rights Restored? Hmnn! That right along with other privileges like public housing are removed automatically by status of conviction. Automatic restoral as done by prior governors is the fair remedy.

    The article offers no rationale for the removal of the voting right.

    1. Randy Huffman Avatar
      Randy Huffman

      But there is no rational for automatic restoration either. You have to apply to vote to begin with. If your a felon and locked up, why not require re-application? Not all felonies are at the same level, it makes sense to have a review of them. Also, those who are on voting rolls but don’t vote for a number of years are typically (or should be ) taken off. All this is common sense.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Why strip felons of voting rights? That’s the essential issue that makes no sense – common or otherwise.

        1. Randy Huffman Avatar
          Randy Huffman

          Fundamental issue is what are the consequences of committing a felony. I and a lot more people like me, say you forfeit the right to vote among other things. Do we want felons having a say in how are Government is run? Of course not.

          Sure, there should be a clear pathway to receive that right back after serving time and going through an application process.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Where would you vote? In the area where the prison is located? Your last known address before being incarcerated?

  3. The government should also give armed robbers and murders their 2A rights back… and pedophiles and other sex assaulters should be allowed to live next to an elementary school and sell lemonade to minors without having to register.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar

      right, because voting is just like that.

  4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Its lawyers want Virginia’s convicted felons to automatically get their voting rights back, even if they haven’t made restitution to their victims or paid their court costs.”

    Is Kerry’s position that anyone who is found liable in a civil dispute or owes any court costs anywhere should be stripped of their voting rights until they settle that bill – regardless of their ability to pay…? That sure sounds like what she is advocating…

    1. C’mon. You’re better than that. Civil disputes are not felony convictions.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Still all a matter of money owed to a victim for an offense and restitution can result from civil cases even when the felony charge is found in criminal court. So a victim of a felony does not claim damages during the criminal proceeding but instead files a civil claim against a convicted felon who is then ordered to pay restitution (separate from their felony conviction). Can that felon vote after paying his dues for the felony conviction even though they own restitution for a civil case for the same crime? Kerry seems to be saying they should not…

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Look at Maine and Vermont go… they must be terrible places, eh…??

            Why do Conservatives seem to love the concept of taxation without representation…? Also note the racial makeup of those currently disenfranchised through these laws compared to the general population (this make up arrived at in part through blatant racial discrimination)… no systemic racism there, eh…?

          2. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Neither Maine nor Vermont strip felons of voting rights.

      2. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Why are voting rights stripped and others denied due to a felony conviction? Since such rights are stripped automatically upon conviction, why not restored automatically after completion of sentence? Eric’s question is as logical as Kerry’s is not.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Never understood why they should lose the right to vote in the first place. If they earn money in prison then they pay taxes. Whatever happened to that tax-representation thing?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      The “Dept of Corrections” should be “The Dept of “we’ll never forgive you and if we had our way, you’d stay in prison”.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Well, you know as well as I that felony/misdemeanor charging in the Southern States followed along certain well-defined lines of socioeconomic strata…. Nothing systemic about it, wink-wink. Maybe Karen knows a judge she could ask?

        1. Yeah – it’s not like any state on the other side of the Mason-Dixon line ever tried to elevate a misdemeanor to a felony against a member of the wrong party… oh wait.. never mind….

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You are equating the charges against Donald Trump with the blatant and systemic racism of the modern Jim Crow “War on Drugs” and related laws that have destroyed generations of black and minority families…?? That’s some serious chutzpah there…

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