Why Not Virtual Instruction for Routinely Disruptive or Potentially Dangerous Students?

Stone Bridge High School Chantilly

by James C. Sherlock

So, let’s examine a theoretical.

A kid gets thrown out of a high school for a suspected rape.

The (ex-) superintendent places him in another high school awaiting trial.

He rapes again.

What’s wrong with this picture? OK, lots of things.

But let’s examine just one solution that can have wider applicability.

Why could not that alleged (at the time) criminal, or any suspended kid, participate remotely with his classes broadcast to him?

The equipment to do so is available in public schools all over the state after COVID. It is also available in our institutions of higher learning (IHE).

From the VDOE Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) web page

PBIS helps teachers and administrators learn about and implement new techniques that reduce disruptive student behavior, which typically leads to office referrals, in school suspensions, and out-of-school suspensions that decrease instructional time for students.

From the JLARC report on Pandemic Impact on Public K-12 Education.

Chronic absenteeism and student behavior were major concerns as students returned to in-person instruction.

A misbehaving student is more likely to struggle academically and can distract other students. Extreme cases of poor behavior can even make other students feel less welcome or safe in their school environment, which negatively contributes to their ability to be engaged and learn.

Let’s admit we can’t implement all of the JLARC recommendations, many of which are restricted in their execution by lack of qualified personnel.

But we can do four things:

  1. Get disruptive and potentially dangerous students out of the school buildings, which addresses both danger and classroom disruption;
  2. Offer them remote instruction from their own classrooms to address the reduced instructional time concerns;
  3. Make temporary removal non-punitive with the goal of either completing investigations or enabling positive interventions that show results; and
  4. Make in-school positive support systems for troubled students available remotely as well.

Remote video technology enables that solution. And, post-COVID, the equipment is broadly available.

I recommend that VDOE examine that solution and report. The JLARC report has done a lot of the homework.

Meanwhile, local school boards and IHE Boards of Visitors can consider making changes in their own domains.

  1. Offer a non-punitive alternative to suspension.
    • Create a voluntary (by parents of minors or by the students themselves for older persons) temporary remote-learning option in lieu of suspension pending investigations of suspected threats at both K-12 and IHE levels. If they don’t volunteer, suspend them for safety reasons.
    • Provide that same voluntary option for routinely disruptive K-12 students in lieu of suspension and offer remote professional behavioral supports, including community supports not available in the schools. If they don’t volunteer, suspend them for school learning environment reasons.
  2. Offer a non-punitive alternative to expulsion. Offer a transfer in lieu of expulsion to public school students to a full-time remote learning option like either the VDOE program or the privately-run, state funded options. Some divisions have separate facilities for such students. Many don’t. If they don’t volunteer, expel them.

In each case, the school division should attempt to provide appropriately equipped and supervised facilities for students who don’t have the necessary home conditions and/or infrastructure for remote learning.

The federal Department of Education will be pleased with these voluntary, non-punitive alternatives that will not be subject to annual reporting.

These are not perfect solutions. Perfect solutions don’t exist. Technology, however, now offers these options. It also allows necessary removals as voluntary measures without a record of punitive action.

Technology-enabled non-punitive removal, under whatever name we choose to call it, would, not incidentally, boost teacher morale and make the schools safer.

Updated Dec 8 at 1320 to clarify the term voluntary.


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60 responses to “Why Not Virtual Instruction for Routinely Disruptive or Potentially Dangerous Students?”

  1. Deckplates Avatar
    Deckplates

    This article addresses teaching alternatives for those who demonstrate extreme misbehavior in school.

    Technology will provide teaching alternatives for people who want to learn. Nevertheless, those with misbehavior problems, are not likely to benefit academically from using video, internet, software programs, etc. Those people need to learn to deal with their extreme misbehavior first, then learn how to learn. Moreover, misbehavior, in most cases, is learned or allowed to grow at home.

    Spending extra money on these sorts of problems without pulling in the parent(s) as a responsible party is the same as trying to solve social issues. Parents have to have a say, and in the end, have to take the responsibility for their children’s upbringing. All these include behavior & being a member of society. Can VDOE solve social issues? Perhaps some, but not all outside their area of responsibility to solve.

    The federal Department of Education is not part of the solution. They have not demonstrated that in the past and are not on a path to improve our, #27th in, world ranking for schools.

    The parents are capable of solving the many problems which have been created in our educational system. Let them do their job. The DOE & the VDOE should focus their efforts on making the parents part of all improvements in our educational system.

    1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
      Kathleen Smith

      Your response makes sense. Students who enter juvenile detention centers do continue with education. It might make the difference in the end of success or a return to the adult system.

      However, there are certain offenses that are absolutely out of the control of the school, like rape, guns, drugs…

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Again, Kathleen, my article did not address the issues that Deckplates raised.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Comment number four here☝️☝️☝️. Sherlock breaks his own rule… that didn’t take long…

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Authors reserve the right to respond to misrepresentations of their work.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “I am a hypocrite”

            Fixed it for you…

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You are reading things into my article that are not there, and would not ever be.

      “Extreme” misbehavior is appropriate for expulsion. My recommendation is an alternative to expulsion. Suspension is for repeated misbehavior or to provide time for investigations of potential threats. I recommend an alternative to suspension as well.

      I never intimated that parents should not have a say. “Voluntary” means the parents of students under 18.

      And I did not advocate spending money. The technology is already available in the schools. Separate courses would not be required or appropriate for suspensions. The student should be able to view his or her own classes.

      I also have no use for the federal department of education. I merely indicated that voluntary alternatives to suspension and expulsion will keep them at bay.

      You told me to let parents “do their job”. I never intimated otherwise. Suspensions and expulsions happen when the parents fail to control the behavior of their child.

      So, bottom line, I don’t know to what article you are referring, but it is not this one.

      1. Warmac9999 Avatar
        Warmac9999

        There is another type of solution – uniforms and strict codes of conduct. Many private and parochial schools have requirements and enforce through expulsion if needed. They don’t tolerate bizarre dress or bizarre actions. You want to be an lgbtq, do it on your own time not during school time.

  2. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    You make a good case for certain behaviors, but some behaviors really require court action. The case in Loudoun in point. Schools are not courts, nor should they be. Just plain bad behavior that is disrespectful and disruptive means that a different learning environment is needed. It certainly could be virtual with a support checkin system for extra help when needed is certainly one alternative. We shouldn’t be too prescriptive with regulations. Got to allow for differences. Maybe kids are just not well supervised at home because everyone has to work to put food on the table. Maybe those kids disruptive behavior is for a different reason. Don’t assume one size fits all.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Kathleen, I recommended that each school board consider the recommendations, not that they be mandated.

      I am not offering solutions to all problems, but the recommendations if implemented will provide non-punitive solutions in an environment where schools shy away from punitive solutions. It will just be another tool in the toolbox.

  3. SudleySpr Avatar

    Are you volunteering your home and time to monitor the child that can’t behave in the classroom? How will attendance improve with home schooling? I think that home schooling of this child only puts the problem behind the curtain. Will the child become a better student, distract and drag the class down less at home?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Where did that come from? I don’t have school age children. If I had one who was in this situation, I would certainly volunteer my home and time. Wouldn’t you?

      Second point, I did not recommend home schooling. I recommended remote learning with broadcasts from his own classrooms.

      Third, the JLARC study found that attendance was a lot better during forced remote learning than in subsequent in-school learning. If a kid and his parents are OK with truancy in remote learning, state law supports taking the parents to J&D court.

      1. SudleySpr Avatar

        Some parents cannot stay home to monitor remote learning. I’m not judging them, just making the observation.

        I used the wrong term, I meant taking school at home, via internet or all at home was my intent.

        Your idea is good in that it is a “can do” suggestion but I don’t think it is realistic

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          And therein lies the biggest problem with this suggestion. If a student has disciplinary problems at school to the point of facing suspension, Sherlock’s solution would give an avenue to avoid such consequences to those students whose parents can afford to provide supervision and monitoring of the child as “volunteers”. Those who can’t face a normal suspension (with the disciplinary record ramifications) or J&D court. Not difficult to see who would benefit from this system… again…

          If the issue is to find a middle ground where the punitive measures don’t necessarily mean a permanent stain on one’s record then just come up with a middle ground (like ISS with no disciplinary record impact – or ability to remove an offense from one’s record after a period of good behavior – first offender’s program, etc). Don’t design it to further the caste divides.

  4. Hey Sherlock, are you ever going to post a redaction of the bogus, politicized transgender angle for this tragedy, or just quietly drop it?

    At least we’re in rare agreement here: there are so many ways that the school dropped the ball.
    -Why was he permitted back to school so quickly?
    -Knowing the accusations, why weren’t his movements tracked?
    -Were teachers notified of his behavior, so they knew to keep an eye on him?
    -Why was he ever allowed to be alone in a room with anyone, much less a student?

    Not only did the school make a poor decision, they made several poor decisions in its wake. You might understand the first assault as an unforeseeable lapse in security, it’s definitely debatable, but the school could have prevented the second and completely failed its students.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “Hey Sherlock, are you ever going to post a redaction of the bogus, politicized transgender angle for this tragedy, or just quietly drop it?”

      You forgot the far more likely double down option…

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Again, as I reminded Rosie, there is no mention of transgender in this article. But it clearly keeps you engaged, so go with it.

        1. Engaged or enraged?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I am engaged, trans kids enrage Sherlock. Nuanced difference….

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      At no point in this article did I bring up transgender.

      That issue is inside your head, as it should be, but not in this article.

      1. Ah, going to pretend the error didn’t happen. How very mainstream media of you.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Whatever gets you through the day.

  5. Hey Sherlock, are you ever going to post a redaction of the bogus, politicized transgender angle for this tragedy, or just quietly drop it?

    At least we’re in rare agreement here: there are so many ways that the school dropped the ball.
    -Why was he permitted back to school so quickly?
    -Knowing the accusations, why weren’t his movements tracked?
    -Were teachers notified of his behavior, so they knew to keep an eye on him?
    -Why was he ever allowed to be alone in a room with anyone, much less a student?

    Not only did the school make a poor decision, they made several poor decisions in its wake. You might understand the first assault as an unforeseeable lapse in security, it’s definitely debatable, but the school could have prevented the second and completely failed its students.

  6. Teddy007 Avatar

    Rmemeber, the Sheriff’s Department said that the criminal case in the first rape accusation was iffy since the two students had a history and it was he said/she said.
    Look at how Republicans complained about college males being presumed guilty by colleges who claimed that the colleges were following the Obama Administration’s Dear Colleague letter.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      From the report of the Grand Jury. And people wonder why the father was angry.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/299662ef935a8818a12156db94124b96dcb2d2c8ca0fa551d9f9916898fa189e.jpg

      1. Teddy007 Avatar

        It took a month for the Loudoun County Sheriff’s office arrest the offender since they considered it an iffy and a shaky case as shown in the third paragraph of page 9 of the report.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          All true. The public deserves to know why this required 30 days to issue formal charges.

          1. Teddy007 Avatar

            And they issue formal charges before any of the forensics came back. First guess would be that they thought that the young woman involved would never testify or change her testimony and pursuing charges was pointless.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          No one will vouch for the actions of the sheriff’s department. But that does not change the fact that the rapist could have been sent home rather than inserted in another school under the recommendation I have made.

          1. Teddy007 Avatar

            If the case was dropped by the Sheriff’s office as was possible, then the school could have been accused of overreacting. It is with hindsight that one knows that the student should have been expelled.

    2. This kid has been convicted of sex crimes and is being required to register as a sex offender. Is there some reason why you continue to defend him?

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        He was also criticizing the father for being angry and getting arrested at the school board meeting in conjunction with saying he wasn’t the primary custodian, as if that should matter.

      2. I think it’s more pointing out a double standard than any kind of defense.

      3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        I see no defense of the perpetrator in his comment. I see instead a good question being laid at the feet of the sheriff’s office.

  7. Aren’t the public schools already required to provide alternative education to severe discipline cases?

    https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title22.1/chapter13/section22.1-209.1:2/

    1. Lefty665 Avatar

      “Aren’t the public schools already required to provide alternative education to discipline cases?”

      You are right, they are. It is hard to see how dispersing unruly students then chasing them all over the district with services will be effective, although it will be expensive. Not sure how you socialize kids to act appropriately in large groups (school) when you isolate them at home.

      The kid from Loudoun is now in a residential psychiatric school that probably costs close to as much as the now departed superintendent’s salary.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Yes. But those are expulsion candidates. I am focused on suspension candidates. Schools currently shy away from punitive suspensions for all of the reasons of which you are aware.

      I am offering a non-punitive alternative that can be positioned as voluntary. By choosing it, parents/students would avoid a suspension on the record and the school would achieve its objectives.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Homebound instruction is often an option in suspension cases. A licensed teacher provides instruction and classwork. Usually done at a residence or a public place such as the local library. 30 bucks an hour. Nice way to make additional money. A suspended student’s teachers provide the homebound instructor with the materials that need to be covered. Often times teachers would be lazy, forget, or too busy to do even this one simple step. This could make life hard for the homebound instructor and the entire arrangement useless to the suspended student. Lack of materials is often used by parents as a way to overturn a suspension at a school board hearing or courtroom. If a kid is lucky, a dedicated instructor and materials can make homebound instruction work.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Homebound is very expensive and requires additional instructional time during a teacher shortage. The solution I offered does not add cost or require additional teacher hours.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            It was hard to recruit homebound teachers before 2020. Probably impossible now. Some parents would be fine with virtual. Others would demand a warm body in person.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You are familiar with homebound. What I recommend is not that.

            My recommendation for non-punitive suspension requires the parents to volunteer. It provides them what to most will be an attractive option to keep junior from having a suspension on his record.

            For those that won’t volunteer, an old fashioned suspension will suffice to get junior off the school grounds.

          3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            I get it now. Drawing in the parents would change a great many things. I can hear the critics whining though. I recall school districts fining parents for chronic absences. That didn’t last very long.

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            I updated the article to clarify the term “voluntary” as applying to the parents of minors. This option has a lot of benefits, not the least of which is preventing the entering of a suspension into the student’s record.

          5. Warmac9999 Avatar
            Warmac9999

            That is an after the fact approach. You need to get before the fact.

          6. My recommendation for non-punitive suspension requires the parents to volunteer.

            How can you require someone to volunteer?

            😉

          7. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            In the Army, we called this being “voluntold”.

      2. So why not In School Suspension (ISS) for those kids? I has to be cheaper than setting up remote learning sites/equipment for each suspended student.

        And why so much emphasis on “non-punitive” measures? What’s wrong with punitive measures for students who continuously misbehave?

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          ISS works if you have a good person running that and the core teachers actually provide work to be done.

          1. Yes. Good adult supervision and participation is a must.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I did not recommend doing away with ISS. Use of the new tools I recommend would be situation dependent.

          1. Okay. Thanks.

      3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Avoid suspension…? Clean record…? Seems like a pretty soft on discipline approach to me…. So much for the old consequences for their action argument…

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          I think what the Captain is pointing out is that old consequences no longer can be used. Few are suspended now. This might be a reasonable solution. Removing the problem and providing the mandated instruction at a cost saving expense.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Call me old fashioned but since Sherlock focused his articles on routinely disruptive students, I see no need to offer a non-punitive alternative to suspension. I assume non-punitive approaches have already been attempted in these cases – you must admit this is likely true. The traditional Conservative position of consequences for one’s actions is actually best in these situations, imo. Trust me, I’m a softie who believes in giving second, third, and fourth chances to kids (God knows I was lucky enough to be given them) but sometimes the chips have to fall.

            The issue of students under (criminal?) investigation seems to be separate and this may be an option. There are legal complexities here though that counsel would have to weigh in on but I suspect in most cases keeping up on school work is the least of the family’s concerns.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Trying to find middle ground, Eric. Read it again. I quoted and tried to satisfy the goals of PBIS as well as the report of JLARC.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            We know what the response would be if a Liberal suggested such an option. There would be Kerry articles and shrieks of DEI and Wokism everywhere on BR. Ian Prior would have hordes at SB meetings to shout down all discussions along with his inevitable recall petition campaigns. Just reflecting that fact in my comment.

    3. Lefty665 Avatar

      “Aren’t the public schools already required to provide alternative education to discipline cases?”

      You are right, they are. It is hard to see how dispersing unruly students then chasing them all over the district with services will be effective, although it will be expensive. Not sure how you socialize kids to act appropriately in large groups (school) when you isolate them at home.

      The kid from Loudoun is now in a residential psychiatric school that probably costs close to as much as the now departed superintendent’s salary.

  8. Fred Costello Avatar
    Fred Costello

    It took a few generations, but things really got complicated after they removed God and prayer from school.

    1. Warmac9999 Avatar
      Warmac9999

      And our constitution is only appropriate for a moral people.

  9. Moderate Avatar

    Having taught students in and outside the classroom simultaneously for a semester, my caution is that the technology to do this right is not as prevalent as you might think. In the last class of the semester I had students online who could not hear what classmates in the classroom were saying if I didn’t carefully repeat everything. Doing this right takes more than the standard laptop zoom and I haven’t seen a classroom that was sufficiently equipped. Most good instructors engage students rather than just lecture to them. Planning activities that can easily be done in-person and virtually is also a challenge. I understand the goal here – just want you to know that it’s not as easy to accomplish as it might appear.

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