Why are the Poor Still Paying for Dominion Wind?

by Steve Haner

Virginia’s new electricity bill subsidy program for customers of Dominion Energy Virginia has cleared its final hurdle at the State Corporation Commission and will begin enrolling participants in time for this coming winter. It is largely following the schedule previously outlined.

In a final order issued October 13, the Commission set the rate adjustment clause amount that will be added to Dominion customer bills at 73 cents per 1,000 kilowatt hours. For most residential customers it will add between 50 cents and a dollar per month to their bills.

Large users will pay the same rate per kwh for Rider PIPP and could see their bills rise hundreds or thousands of dollars per month. But grocery stores, big box retailers and manufacturers never pass along their electricity costs in higher prices, right?

The Percentage of Income Payment Plan, or PIPP, program starts with the assumption that 45,000 Dominion residential accounts will qualify for help and about $66 million in subsidies will be provided, averaging about $1,400 per year per account.

PIPP was first authorized by the General Assembly in the spring of 2020, so it has taken almost four years to get it running. It was part of the omnibus Virginia Clean Economy Act, with a similar bill subsidy also being offered to customers of Appalachian Power Company in the western reaches of the state.

Another major benefit for Dominion’s PIPP customers has apparently been ignored so far. The 2020 legislation also exempted them from paying any of the costs of Dominion’s $10 billion Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind project. Legally, they should not now be paying the separate rate adjustment clause (Rider OSW) that all the rest of us are now paying to build those 176 ocean turbines.

In fact, the exemption from paying for CVOW applies to every household eligible for PIPP, which is defined in the law as every household with income at or below 150 percent of the federal poverty line. That would be many, many more Dominion accounts than the 45,000 which it thinks will actually qualify for a PIPP subsidy. There is no PIPP subsidy unless your monthly bill exceeds 10 percent of your monthly income and many who qualify might not apply.

The CVOW exemption is tied to income, not the level of your monthly bill.

Disregarding the PIPP subsidy, it would still be worthwhile for all low-income households to assert an exemption from the CVOW Rider OSW.  It is just under $5 per month at the current time, on that illustrative 1,000 kwh monthly bill, but over the next eight years will rise to $17 per month. That’s more than $200 per year. And that is based on the current estimated cost for just the first phase of CVOW, which many expect will prove more expensive.

The final stage of this initial process establishing PIPP was an exchange between the utility and the SCC staff, which quibbled with and was able to lower the utility’s first proposal. The SCC staff also outlined a series of items it wants to see reported each year as the utility seeks to adjust that annual PIPP fee (really a hidden tax) on monthly bills. They were so ordered by the Commission.

At some point the issue of the CVOW exemption will have to be addressed. Perhaps the legislators didn’t really mean it in 2020 and 2021 when they passed bills promising those low-income households that they would not have to pay for the construction costs and decades of profit on the wind farm.

And when the issue is pressed, the related transmission costs are probably something else the low-income consumers can avoid. Most of those new towers and lines will be built just to bring the energy in off the ocean.

If 100,000 or 200,000 or even more residential accounts are suddenly exempt from any and all CVOW costs over the next 20 or 30 years, what does that do to the monthly charge for those who still have to pay? Despite all the polling that shows the obvious, that inflation and the cost of living are the top concern of most voters, Virginia’s coming energy cost increases are not an issue anybody is raising. Questions not asked are seldom answered.


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52 responses to “Why are the Poor Still Paying for Dominion Wind?”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Most of those new towers and lines will be built just to bring the energy in off the ocean.”

    From what I’ve seen the planned new transmission lines and towers are required to meet the increasing demand… mostly from large scale users (e.g., data centers).

    1. Lefty665 Avatar

      and they will be just the start of the profound transformation of our grid required to provide sea to shining sea of fast charging for EVs. We ain’t seen nuttin’ yet.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      A couple of billion bucks are just for lines from CVOW to the grid. If the promise was to exempt certain customers, that should be included.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Transmission costs are about 1/3 of the total with planned improvements and additions to onshore facilities accounting for roughly half of that. The other half is for hooking up the offshore stuff… if…

        So, uh, the CVOW specific changes to onshore facilities is ~$1.5B, and a similar amount would have been spent even without CVOW.

        “… the remaining project costs are $1.4 billion for onshore transmission facilities and projected system upgrades and another $1.5 billion for other project costs including contingency onshore transmission facilities necessary to interconnect offshore generation components…”

        https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/dominion-offshore-wind-farm-cost-climbs-to-to-9-8b/

  2. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Why are the rich still paying for Dominion Wind?
    Why is anybody?
    Please quit the virtue signaling and do nuclear…

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Nuclear is in the plans. It is not an either/or thing but an “all of the above”…

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        No it isn’t your Trollness. The wind and solar are uneconomic virtue signaling, devoid of real, dispassionate scientific analysis for an invented crisis.
        Covidiocy for the “climate.”

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          “The wind and solar are uneconomic…”

          Both wind and solar have a lower LCOE than nuclear…. smh…

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eacdfacc846e1efa30a00d4ca8bbbe290417edcb052be0d59d07a921f48bcacd.png

            The folks who say they don’t want higher bills but also advocate for nuclear, do they know they are advocating for even higher bills?

            At least the deniers are consistent, use gas, and ignore the climate!

          2. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            I like Virginia’s climate, and it hasn’t changed in the 50+ years I’ve been here! Yep, heating my home with gas.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            sorta like viewing the rest of the world with blinders? I use gas also but I support changes
            over time to get to a better place than we are now. The thing is with nuclear is why those
            who think wind will add to electric bills , advocate nuclear instead when it seems pretty
            clear nuclear will increase bills even more! I give the skeptics credit for sticking to thier
            pro fossil-fuel guns but never hear them oppose nuclear on the same basis they oppose wind, i.e. it’s way more expensive and we don’t need it anyhow because the climate thing is a hoax.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            A geothermal heat pump is far more efficient and have yet to blow up a house, or neighborhood.

          5. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            You aren’t installing a geothermal heat pump in a townhouse or a condo. You probably aren’t even installing one in a typical 1/4 acre lot.

            The good news, if you can call it that, most houses are so leaky and poorly insulated that there’s a lot of savings to be gained from fixing that.

          6. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            There’s no mention of what distances a geothermal district heating and cooling system would actually work. How long can those pipes be before they lose/gain so much heat that they are less efficient than the alternative air source heat pump?

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            once underground, the ambient heat is the same , right?

            how would they “lose” heat?

          8. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Heat transfers from a warm object to a cold one. It’s why ice melts when you take it out of the freezer..

          9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Yes, the compressor is at the unit, the ground is just the heat sink.

            Edit: not in the figure you produced. But really a condo complex often has a parking garage. Plenty of vertical space to dump and capture heat. Of course, it would need to be designed that way… good luck getting developers to do something like that!

          10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            In my time, they used steam pipes to heat an entire (pretty large) university I attended. Of course they used a lot of asbestos as well.

          11. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            I don’t think the temperatures you’ll get out of a geothermal system will come close to the temperatures used in steam pipes. Reason why is that the warmer the condenser operates, the higher the pressure, and the less efficient the system is. Lower temperatures will reduce the distance the pipes can go before the temps drop so much as to be unusable.

          12. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Why there should be compressors at each unit or even building. As Larry noted, there will not be much temperature gradient in the near ground temperature range.

          13. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            That’s generally how geothermal systems work. Condensing unit or evaporator is cooled/heated by 50F groundwater. Without that, how do you expect 50F water to heat a building? It MIGHT cool a building OK, I think chilled water systems in commercial buildings run at 40F though.

          14. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well, the graphic Larry shared had the compressing done at a central location with the heated/cooled loop traversing the distance – your concern applies there in terms of thermal loses. If the compressor(s) sits at each building that would not be necessary and you would not have to worry about temperature gradients. With my system, only the loop between the compressor and the air handler must be insulated. The loop that goes to the ground does not.

          15. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Yes, I was talking about what is shown on the graphic Larry showed. As far as insulation goes–I can’t tell you how deep the water pipes supplying my old house are buried, but I can tell you that in the summer, the water coming out of them was noticeably warmer than in the winter. On a hot summer day, once the cold water from the pipes in the basement had gone through, what came from the pipes under the street was almost what I’d describe as warm!

          16. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Yes, there can be swings of 20 degrees seasonally at 2 feet (minimum depth of most water lines) and only like 10 degrees at 5 feet (most basements are deeper). You may be sensing that differential.

          17. LarrytheG Avatar

            Perhaps I’m not understanding but an air-based HVAC would be trying to use the outside air to transfer/exchange heat/cold at much extremes temps than a ground-based system deep enough to be in the layer that is often in the 50’s and the actual media is a liquid, not air.

          18. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            The graphic you showed has hot and cold pipes coming from the central plant, so presumably, those are at some temperature higher and lower than 50F (presumed ground temp, but only if the pipes are buried deep enough) and subject to heat loss/gain.

          19. LarrytheG Avatar

            Right.. but for any system that transfers liquid or air from one place to another to get heat or cooling, wouldn’t the place that has temps in the 50’s be better than one that has temps in the 90s in summer and teens in the winter?

          20. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Yes but it doesn’t change this: For the system shown in the graphic you showed, the pipes have to be insulated. The insulation isn’t perfect, so there’s a distance limit. This plant has to be relatively close to the buildings it serves, compared to an electric substation that can be as far as 30 miles away.

          21. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            That’s the typical geothermal installation. It doesn’t work for places without the land area required for the loop.. So the solution is to go to a central plant system. But that has limitations too, like distance and it still requires sufficient land area for the loop..development would almost have to be planned around a central plant system, retrofitting one into an existing development may not be possible.

          22. LarrytheG Avatar

            can you go UNDER a structure?

          23. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            IF it were possible and allowed by applicable building codes, it would significantly increase the costs of installation. It would also make repair of a leak much more difficult.

          24. LarrytheG Avatar

            parking lot?

          25. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            That’s a possibility.

          26. LarrytheG Avatar

            underground is what? A constant 50-some degrees no
            matter the air temps?

          27. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            How about a common sink?

          28. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            If there’s a place to put one. You might be able to put one in the common area of an HOA neighborhood.

          29. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “Yep, heating my home with gas”

            Ouch…$$$!!

          30. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            I like Virginia’s climate, and it hasn’t changed in the 50+ years I’ve been here! Yep, heating my home with gas.

          31. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            I call BS Troll. Produce stats. The cost of the alternative energy is higher and only works with subsidies, and even then, it doesn’t.

          32. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll
          33. LarrytheG Avatar

            thanks for posting… yes… nukes are easily twice as much as wind/solar and gas.

            Has Haner largely gone silent on nuclear of late?

            I mean who would support nuclear if their bottom line is the cost of the electricity?

            All this whining about the cost of offshore wind… nukes would be even more!

          34. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Actually right now offshore is slightly more than nuclear… but not by much. But the statement made was that wind and solar are uneconomical… that statement is not true.

          35. LarrytheG Avatar

            thanks for the correction.. is that all offshore or just the Dominion offshore?

          36. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I think they are looking at all offshore wind… just like with nuclear, the high LCOE comes largely from the high capital costs.

          37. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Wait for the gaslighting…

          38. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
            energyNOW_Fan

            No…Offshore wind $105+ , right? This is the truth issue with Liberals.

          39. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Oh…in the resource constrained technologies? You mean the ones where you don’t control when the sun shines or when the wind blows? And that will not be operating at the capacity factors indicated and whose costs will not be as low as projected and have tax credits built in and also we ignore the unknown environmental and other impacts. Right. Good luck evacuating the Outer Banks in your Tesla when all the other little virtue signalers run out of electricity in the traffic jam and there is no place to charge (assuming we even have the electricity to generate!).

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Onshore wind (not to mention efficient nat gas) is much cheaper and as far as I know, we can get onshore wind from PA, WV, MD resource. Probably roof top solar is cheaper than nuke/offshore wind. We are in the mindset we need to spend mega-bucks for the most expensive centralized power-plants known to mankind. If that’s the goal, I can think of even more things like clean coal.

  3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    As long as Dominion Wind gets to make their own bed they can do what they want. Including passing wind. We rate payers just get to sit here and take it.

  4. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Tell you what, if you think lower incomes are escaping the costs, large business users pay a steeply discounted rate in Virginia. >>Somebody tell me what a cloud facility in Loudoun County pays per kWhr? I suspect this is the huge loophole, which will insure Virginia residents pay double whammy huge for all of the extremely expensive energy options that are so popular with elected official$ and some in the public.

    In other offshore news, NIMBY New York is apparently cancelling its offshore plans due to higher expense. ORSTED stock is falling as they cannot build the planned projects due to higher costs. Apparently ORSTED *might* consider building the long delayed South Jersey Ocean-1 project (my old stomping grounds), because NJ reluctantly agreed to pay ORSTED more than the original low-ball bid. Still iffy, but ORSTED agreed to pay NJ a $100 Million cancel fee if that’s what happens.

    But I agree with what ORSTED and NY are saying, we need yet higher subsidies from the Feds to make the ultra-expensive options work, and Virginia ought to wait for a promise we get all of the Fed subsidies the others get.

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