Why the Opposition to Emergency MWAA Bill?

Todd Stottlemyer, one of Gov. McDonnell’s unseated appointees to MWAA

by James A. Bacon

There’s been a fascinating new development in the politics of the Rail-to-Dulles project, and I frankly don’t know what to make of it. I’ll provide the background. Perhaps readers can fill in the blanks. Governor Bob McDonnell issued a press release yesterday blasting Democrats in the House of Delegates for blocking the emergency enactment of a bill that would allow Virginia to seat two new board members to the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, the entity empowered to manage the $6 billion Rail-to-Dulles project.

“The move … is contrary to federal law and delays the seating of our new representatives during a time when important project decisions are pending before MWAA,” the governor said in the prepared statement. “Congress voted to reform the authority. The President signed the bill. based on that bipartisan legislation, Virginia should have a greater number of seats on the board now. It is the responsibility of our legislature to implement those reforms as soon as practical.”

Caren Merrick, Gov. McDonnell’s other unseated appointee to MWAA

The controversy arises from decisions made by the MWAA board — first, to build an underground METRO station at Dulles airport, and then to mandate a union Project Labor Agreement for Phase 2 of the project, both of which could add hundreds of millions of dollars to the project. Because the added costs would be paid by users of the Dulles Toll Road, the actions created a political firestorm. Many Northern Virginians objected to such critical decisions being made by an unelected board dominated by appointees from Maryland and Washington, D.C. Rep. Frank Wolf, R-10, pushed legislation through Congress that would increase Virginia’s representation on the federally created authority.

MWAA opposed Wolf’s legislation. And when the law was passed and McDonnell appointed Virginia’s two new members — Todd Stottlemyer and Caren Merrick — MWAA would not seat them last month on the grounds that “the law is not operable until Virginia and the District approve changes to the ‘governing MWAA compact.’” (For details, see this past post.)

House Bill 252, submitted by Del. Joe May, R-Leesburg, made the necessary changes to state law. All but three of the House’s 32 Democrats objected to the emergency aspect of the legislation. Reports Anita Kumar with the Washington Post:

Democrats, who hold 32 of the House’s 100 seats, balked at passing the bill with a provision that would have allowed it to be signed into law immediately. In a statement, House Democrats said they support the Metro project and adding more Virginia voices to the board but they opposed the process.

Emergency legislation requires 80% approval, therefore 29 “no” votes from 29 Democrats were sufficient to block the bill. All Republicans voted in favor.

I don’t take the Democrats’ argument at face value. There is more to the story than appears in Kumar’s article. What’s wrong with enacting emergency legislation, which is provided for in the Virginia Constitution? Why would anyone oppose getting Virginia’s two additional board members on the MWAA board ASAP? Democrats assuredly have their reasons — I just can’t divine what they are.

The only clues come from Richmond Sunlight. On Jan. 11, the bill sailed through the Transportation Committee 22-0, with all seven Democrats voting in favor. On Jan. 18, Joe May amended the bill to delete the emergency clause. Later in the day, he withdrew the amendment. Then Del. David Toscano, D-Charlottesville, motioned to re-refer the bill to the Transportation Committee, but the motion was rejected. The next day, the bill was put up for a vote by the full House and was rejected in a 71 to 29 vote.

Meanwhile, the same bill awaits consideration by the state Senate Local Government Committee.

Every Republican supported the bill. All but three Democrats opposed it. At some point between the Transportation Committee vote and the full House vote, the issue became polarized along party lines. What happened? I don’t know. I would love to find out.

Update: Garren Shipley with the Virginia GOP says the Dems are protecting their union buddies. In an email blast he sent out today:

David Englin made it perfectly clear what was going on when he tweeted from the floor:

House just removed emergency clause from MWAA bill, virtually ensuring passage tomorrow. Victory for@VAHouseDems and friends in Labor.

Translation: By removing the emergency clause, Democrats bought their union friends another few months of public funding without accountability.

I’m not sure where Shipley gets the part about “another few months of public funding.” MWAA does not fund the unions. The issue is MWAA’s mandate that bidders on Phase 2 of the project sign a Project Labor Agreement requiring that all hiring go through union halls. Here’s my question: Will MWAA be making any decisions between now and July 1 that lock in the PLA mandate?

More confirmation that the PLA was key to Democratic opposition: In reviewing the WaPo coverage of this issue, I see that Anita Kumar quoted Englin in a previous article as follows: “Part of the concern with positioning new appointees to revisit project labor agreements is that would cause further delay on a project that is critical to Northern Virginia’s economy.”


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53 responses to “Why the Opposition to Emergency MWAA Bill?”

  1. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
    constructionandlaborguy

    Isn’t it obvious? The Democrats are owned by the unions.

    The unions got to them and said, if you put more Virginia representatives on this board, there is a chance they will keep a close eye on the corrupt actions of MWAA member Dennis Martire (the Laborers union Vice President) and perhaps meddle with the union project labor agreement mandated by MWAA on the Phase 2 prime contractor. The PLA will result in jobs exclusively for union members who contribute to union PACs. Those union PACs support you, the Democrats. We are your masters!

    What is sad is that a PLA will lead to out-of-state union members taking jobs away from Virginia’s qualified nonunion workers and it will increase the cost of this project and deny nonunion Virginia firms at shot at winning projects funded by their taxes.

    And as you know, there are so many other reasons to seat the Virginia appointees immediately besides the PLA controversy.

    It is so sad to see Big Labor’s interests put ahead of the interests of all Virginians.

    NEVER underestimate the power of Big Labor over the Democrat party.

  2. ConstructionAndLaborGuy, Let us grant that Democrats are inclined to defend the interests of labor unions… But why would the Dems support the bill at the committee stage and then reverse their positions when the bill made it to the floor? Do you think the labor unions intervened? If so, do you have any evidence for that?

    Another question: The two new Virginia board members *will* be appointed by July 1, no matter what. Do you expect the MWAA to make any decisions affecting the PLA between now and then?

  3. ConstructionAndLaborGuy, It looks like the State GOP agrees with you. I’m adding an update to this post.

  4. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
    constructionandlaborguy

    They reversed their position because the unions told them to do so. I heard Martire and LiUNA officials were on the phones with Democrat offices and leadership this week. Your Twitter evidence seems to support this.

    Throw logic and facts out the window when it comes to the Big Labor. Their is no good reason for the Democrats to reverse their position.

    The most important parts of Phase 2 will happen between now and July. The project’s PE will come out and the local communities have 90 days to decide if they want to fund the project.

    The RFQ to bidders will likely come out then too.

    The terms of the PLA may be revealed by July, or they may be buried in a dark cave with the rest of MWAA’s controversial activity.

    Delay is all a ploy by Democrats to serve their union masters.

    Keep digging!

  5. I could be way off base but does anyone think this is the Dems reminding the Pubs that they really don’t control the GA as much as they think they do?

  6. Here’s another power play to watch. Delegate Barbara Comstock’s HB 33 appears to provide some protection regarding PLA. It has lots of patrons in contrast to HB 2 Bob Marshalls bill which asks for open audit and FOIA and would block VA money from going to Dulles rail if the PLA stays.
    But a close look at the Comstock bill shows a funny little exception:
    http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+ful+HB33
    F. The provisions of this section shall not:
    1. Apply to any public-private agreement for any construction or infrastructure project in which the private body, as a condition of its investment or partnership with the state agency, requires that the private body have the right to control its labor relations policy with its own employees and the employees of its contractors and subcontractors in any manner permitted by the National Labor Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 151 et seq.;

    Does anyone else think this may exempt MWAA and like all other efforts, leave the unions doing exactly where they are now…eating the Repubs lunch?

  7. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
    constructionandlaborguy

    TaxPig, I see what you are getting at, and I think the Marshall bill has some merit in exposing the project to sunshine (nothing wrong with that), especially since MWAA has been so secretive and Martire is the face of cronyism as far as I’m concerned.

    I did some research when I read the Comstock bill last week and I think Section F is harmless and has to do with labor law preemption issues concerning the use of PLAs voluntarily executed on public-private partnerships Virginia is so fond of rather than exempting the Silver Line.

    In addition, Phase 2 of the Silver Line is not a public-private partnership as MWAA is not a private entity. They are exploring public-private partnerships to fund the project (Chinese firms – seriously), but MWAA is not the “private” part of that equation.

    I found this on MWAA’s website:
    http://www.metwashairports.com/267.htm

    “What is the Airports Authority?
    The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority is an independent body created by the Commonwealth of Virginia and the District of Columbia. It has been approved by the U.S. Congress to operate and maintain Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and Washington Dulles International Airport. The Authority is a public body, corporate and politic and is independent of all other bodies. It is not an agency of the Commonwealth of Virginia or the District of Columbia, nor is it a federal agency.”

    Also, Section 5.1-153 of the Code of Virginia, which created MWAA, states that MWAA is “a public body corporate and politic and independent of all other bodies.” (emphasis added). This phrase – “independent of all other bodies” – appears nowhere else in the Virginia Code.

    The Supreme Court of Virginia also recently described MWAA as “a regional public entity established by an interstate compact.” Gray v. Virginia Sec’y of Transp., 276 Va. 93, 98, 662 S.E.2d 66, 68 (2008).

    Comstock gets this issue and is not trying to throw the unions a bone on this one. It makes no political or policy sense for her to do so.

    Why doesn’t Marshall’s bill have any cosponsors?

  8. DJRippert Avatar

    Jim:

    You are paranoid. The unions are not out to get you. They are not pulling the strings behind the Democrats. Instead, I suspect our General Assembly is engaged in bizarre behavior for the eternal reason that politicians do bizarre things – childishly playing politics with one another.

    First question – what else happened on Jan. 11, the date of the unanimous committee vote?

    Second question – why did Republican Joe May amend the bill to remove the “emergency” designation only to reverse course later that day and remove the amendment – thus restoring the emergency status?

    Answers:

    1. On January 11 the State Senate voted on committee organization. The vote was tied 20-20 along party lines. The Lt Governor cast the deciding vote. However, the Democrats cited the black letter text of Article IV, Section 2 of the Virginia Constitution which declares the Senate to be “forty elected members”. They combined this language with long standing tradition and Senate rules that held only the Senate may organize the Senate. The Dems reasoned that a 20 – 20 tie over Senate organization could not be broken by a non-Senator. Instead, the Lt Gov voted with the GOP and the Dems filed suit.

    This brouhaha touched off a political war in the General Assembly.

    2. Joe May originally thought that he could get his way with the appointments by eliminating the “emergency” designation. That would have resulted in a straight vote which the Republicans would have won. Instead, some of his friends told him to get the “emergency” designation back on the bill. The political fallout to the Democrats for opposing the bill despite an overwhelming majority in the house was considered more important than the results of the bill itself.

    As usual, our state legislature would rather play mindless political games than attend to the business of the Commonwealth. The Republicans thwart the will of the voters (who elected a tied Senate) by executing a naked power play that is quite possibly illegal. The Democrats seized upon the emergency designation to thwart two McDonnell appointments just to teach the GOP a lesson. The GOP at first decided to get the bill passed by dropping the emergency designation but then let the Dems block the bill in order to make political hay of the matter.

    The result is both gridlock and paranoia. The gridlock is obvious. The paranoia is exhibited in the comments on this article. Barbara Comstock is somewhere to the right of Rush Limbaugh. Believing that she would sponsor sneaky, pro-union legislation is laughable. However, when politicians are engaged in their “reindeer games” it is possible for bloggers to forget they are politicians and think they acting in the normal way that people in the real world (i.e. not in Richmond) act.

    In answer to another question – Nobody co-sponsors Bob Marshall’s bill because Bob Marshall is politically radioactive. He is prone to making truly bizarre statements. He is also running against GOP establishment favorite George Allen for the Senate. Once again, our elected leaders could care less about Del. Marshall’s bill. They care, instead, about their political image.

  9. Don the Ripper, I’m paranoid? Explain Englin’s tweet.

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      Jim the Bacon:

      Here’s what you wrote:

      “On Jan. 18, Joe May amended the bill to delete the emergency clause. Later in the day, he withdrew the amendment.”.

      Joe May is a Republican. First, he deleted the emergency clause. This would have ensured passage but the law would not become effective immediately.

      Then, he deleted the amendment which restored the emergency status.

      Why the flip-flop? Is he some kind of John Kerry? No, he was playing politics.

      As for Englin’s tweet – the same thing. Once the House voted in order to spite the Republicans the die was cast. Why not curry some favor with labor as a byproduct? He was playing politics.

      Or, maybe he was stoned ….

      http://www.davidenglin.org/2012/01/20/david-explains-legislation-related-to-marijuana/

      1. Here’s the most important difference between your analysis and my analysis. I don’t presume to know what happened. You *do* presume to know what happened.

        I commenced the post thusly: “I frankly don’t know what to make of it. I’ll provide the background. Perhaps readers can fill in the blanks.”

        I subsequently received two communications suggesting that the Dems were motivated by their ties to labor. Englin’s tweet seemingly confirmed that suspicion. I thought it worthy of note, so I added an update. But I did not endorse the theory as fact. Indeed, I concluded, “Here’s my question: Will MWAA be making any decisions between now and July 1 that lock in the PLA mandate?”

        If MWAA *will* be making a decision on PLAs between now and July 1, that’s more circumstantial evidence in favor of the idea that LiUNA and its friends in the General Assembly had something to gain from delaying the seating of McDonnell’s two appointees. But that’s an “if.” I need to dig into it more before reaching a firm conclusion.

        You, by contrast, have strung an elaborate scenario based entirely upon surmise. Your interpretation of events may be correct, although you leave unanswered one very important question: Why did the Dems pick this particular issue to stick it to the Republicans? I don’t have any evidence to disprove your theory — only a competing hypothesis, which, at this point, also remains unproven.

        Admittedly, I find the defending-the-interests-of-Big-Labor hypothesis to be more plausible than yours, and if I have time, I will follow up on it. Until I can build the case, however, I will not represent my journalistic intuition as fact.

        1. DJRippert Avatar

          Here’s something you actually wrote:

          “The controversy arises from decisions made by the MWAA board — first, to build an underground METRO station at Dulles airport, and then to mandate a union Project Labor Agreement for Phase 2 of the project, both of which could add hundreds of millions of dollars to the project.”.

          That was not stated as hypothesis, it was stated as fact.

          I believe the controversy arises over a political battle in the General Assembly.

          The only reason the Dems picked this issue is because it involved emergency legislation which requires an 80% vote. Therefore, the Dems can block the measure.

          A bigger question is why the Republicans proffered this bill as first emergency, then non-emergency, then emergency again.

          You believe that the issues are related to Phase 2. How long will Virginia’s two additional appointments be delayed if the legislation is processed normally versus through the emergency channel? Is there any real chance that the Phase 2 decisions regarding a PLA will be settled between the time that the two positions are seated under normal legislation vs emergency legislation? You ask these questions at the end of your article.

          While you use a few words in your article to express your thoughts as a hypothesis, the overall tone of the article is far from hypothetical. You jump to the conclusion that the Democrats are refusing to endorse emergency legislation in order to support the unions. You never consider any alternative explanations. Moreover, you miss a major point in this General Assembly session – the controversy over Bill Bolling voting on the committee structure of the Senate. Had you been paying attention to this, you would have seen a basis for a unanimous committee vote turning into a battle royale in the House.

          1. “The only reason the Dems picked this issue is because it involved emergency legislation which requires an 80% vote. Therefore, the Dems can block the measure.”

            That’s plausible, and it strengthens your argument.

            If I have time next week, I’ll try to track down some Democratic legislators and ask them why they did what they did. Until we get answers, you and I both are speculating.

          2. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
            constructionandlaborguy

            VIRGINIA needed the emergency clause to seat the Virgina MWAA board members ASAP (and avoid project-delaying litigation,) rather than wait until July 1 when the bill is enacted.

            The letter from MWAA members to House Democrats Caucus leaders lays out the facts on why this is important:
            http://vagopcaucus.blogspot.com/2012/01/house-dems-give-dc-and-maryland.html

            As I said before, there is going to be a lot of activity at MWAA between now and then when all Virginians need proper representation on the corrupt board so Virginians don’t get the shaft on a variety of fronts (toll road costs, state and local project contributions to the project, jobs, labor and contracts).

            Perhaps May saw that he probably didn’t have the votes to pass the emergency clause so he pulled it out because he didn’t want the bill to die and figured getting them seated in July was better than nothing. Then he received word Virginia needed the seats NOW and would get another crack at the bill if it died so he put the emergency clause back in and hoped for a positive outcome after some additional pressure and lobbying etc. Then the labor unions/Dems dug their heels in and killed the bill with the emergency clause.

            May will get another crack at this bill with or without the emergency clause. It is too important for Virginia not to get new MWAA seats immediately. Or the Senate will advance Sen. Colgan’s (D) SB 237 bill without the emergency clause: http://bit.ly/y2OlLa

            Watch.

  10. We cannot afford any PLA on Dulles Rail. Last evening, the Fairfax County Planning Commission was informed that the costs for implementing Table 7 of the new Comp Plan for Tysons (which consist mainly of road improvements, with some bus transit) and the construction of the internal circulator will likely hit $3 billion by 2040 (ten years longer than before). Sans the circulator, the road and bus transit costs rose about one third from $1.7 billion. When the financing costs are added in, the total non-rail transportation infrastructure costs will be about $4 billion by 2040. If my math is correct, that’s about $2.7 million per week from 2012 to 2040.
    I was told by a friend today that GMU professor Stephen Fuller has projected Fairfax County will lose more than 90,000 jobs due to cutbacks in federal contracting. That Groveton fellow’s worry about what does Virginia do without the federal trough is pretty well placed.
    It’s time to get real. We cannot afford all of the public sector things some people want. The public sector cannot afford its McMansions either.
    On a positive note, Delegate Mark Keam and Joe May have each introduced bills to address the $200 annual taxpayer subsidy to overweight trucks.

  11. All this hoop de do over MWAA and it completely missed the legislation to create the Virginia Toll Road Authority.

    Gee.. I wonder if they too will have an unelected board and engage in that nasty PLA stuff?

  12. TMT, Are all those number you just cited making it into print? Are the WaPo and the local papers getting this information out to the public.

    LarryG, yeah, the Virginia Toll Road Authority is potentially interesting. Unfortunately, the governor’s press release didn’t provide any clues as to what its purpose is. I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that it was connected to the proposed new toll on Interstate 95.

  13. it’s here:

    Transportation construction, operation and maintenance, and funding. (SB639)

    “…(ii) creating the Virginia Toll Road Authority to fund transportation projects through tolls and other charges”

    http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2012/sb639/

  14. DJRippert Avatar

    The Education of Little Jimmy Bacon ….

    Jim Bacon is a faithful member of the Richmondic Church. This faith is practiced by a large minority of people in the Richmond area who come to believe that there can be nothing done wrong by the economic and political elite from that city. From “the war of northern aggression” to the so-called first families of Virginia to the statue of Arthur Ashe, Richmond is perfection embodied when viewed through the rose colored glasses of those with terminal Richmondism.

    Virginia’s General Assembly is an icon worthy of worship to those practicing (suffering from?) Richmondism. To those of the Richmondic faith, the General Assembly is an august body whose actions fall somewhere between the Continental Congress and the twelve disciples. To us Virginians outside of Richmond, the GA looks more like 140 quacking ducks scrambling to fight over a handful of popcorn dropped by some Richmond-based lobbyist.

    The question of this year’s behavior of our General Assembly illustrates the differences in thinking between Richmondic followers and the rest of us. Bizarre emergency, non-emergency, emergency legislation proffered by Republicans only to first be unanimously endorsed and then almost unanimously opposed by Democrats is seen a simple difference of honest opinion by the Richmondic order.

    The rest of us see politics as usual.

    At times like there, perhaps a reading from the book (blog?) of Saint Chapman is in order:

    http://oxroadsouth.com/2012/01/senate-disorganizes-today/

    For those outside the Richmondic faith, St. Chapman is seen by some Richmondics as one of the Arch-Angels residing in the State Senate. For that, he is an object of interest among all the Richmondic faithful. However, he is from a distant land far from the Valhalla of Richmond – Fairfax. Therefore, many practicing Ricmondics would consider St. Chapman a false or fallen angel.

    Here is the key quote from the book of St. Chapman referencing the recent vote of Bill Bolling:

    “This is a total waste of time and does no favors for the Governor who, per the Constitution, must have 21 votes from “elected members” to pass his Budget. Until these quasi-Rules are redone and the ”Animal Farm” mentality is removed, there will be no agreed budget.

    This battle is just beginning.”.

    “Animal Farm”
    “No Agreed Budget”
    “Battle is Just Beginning”

    Is Martin Luther Petersen nailing a document to the door of the Richmondic Church?

    Could it be that the bizarre behavior over the so-called emergency legislation on the McDonnell appointments is something other than the divinely-inspired purity assumed by the prelates of Richmondisicm?

    I’m sorry to question your faith in the gospel of Richmondicism, Jim. However, it seems your faith is misplaced.

    But not to worry. The religious world of Virginia politics includes agnostics, atheists and a small group of Devil Worshipers centered in Northern Virginia. You should explore each of these belief systems now that your iron clad faith in the Richmond elite has been shaken.

    In fact, feel free to drive up to my place tomorrow night. At midnight I will join a group from my church of Virginia politics who will be hanging Judge Dillon in effigy. Pabst Blue Ribbon will be served in quantity. Other anti-Richmondic Devil Worshipers from Charlottesville, Tidewater and Accomac / Northampton Counties will also be in attendance for the ritual.

    I hope to see you there.

  15. Jim, I have not seen any media reporting of the revised costs for transportation facilities at Tysons. I was not at the meeting, but received a blow-by-blow report from a friend who regularly attends those meetings. Substantially higher costs were expected. Keep in mind these are planning costs. Some cost savings will certainly be found, but the usual trend is up.
    Also, material is the fact that FC DOT has said everyone of these improvements are necessary. To the extent Tysons development does not come as fast as projected, some projects can be deferred. But it all needs to be built.
    This is a major problem. Taxpayers will not stand for paying this bill. The landowners cannot afford to pay it. The fault lies almost 100% with the Tysons Land Use Task Force, which refused to do any transportation planning. The TLUTF was all about negligence and pretending density fixed all. How much density do you want Mr. Landowner? Well she got 6.0, so I want 8.0. Tysons was planned based on the false premises of smart growth and planned without consideration of transportation realities. It was planned beyond the capacities of public facilities and what can be afforded.
    The County and citizens groups were able to push it back to more reasonable levels, but we simply cannot afford to build a Tysons this big. I don’t know what we can and should do. We are all left with a very difficult situation caused by the TLUTF. That is what should be reported in the Post. Where do we get $2.7 million each week? Not even Fred Hiatt’s tax fantasies can fund this!

  16. I’m agog at the differing perspectives of Jim B vs DJ Ripper.

    Ripper say this is incompetent Richmond politics per usual

    JimB says this is a political conspiracy to prolong the PLA war.

    🙂

    I vote for DJ’s version.

  17. Doesn’t make any difference who is right. We cannot afford anything that pushes up transportation costs in NoVA.

  18. I think that is the last thing on the minds of either side in the GA.

    the Dems want to show the GOP that they need more than a tiebreaker to prevail.. on some issues.. including the budget…

    and the GOP wants to make the Dems look like they love PLAs and Unions.

    neither give a rat’s behind about NoVa or their “problems”.

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      By Jove, he’s got it!

  19. you know – we get the governance and politics we deserve.

    If the GOP knows they can demagogue an issue by tying it to unions, then all other issues get subverted.

    What is important about the MWAA is the same with other authorities and that is they are effectively shadow government entities that operate will little transparency and absolutely no accountability to the voters.

    If this was what the GOP wanted to focus on – I’d be 100% behind them even if in that process the PLAs and unions got whacked.

    But clearly, the GOP does not give a rats behind about transparency and accountability. Their “interest” in it is a cynical proxy for right to work.

    As long as they get people on the board that can whack the PLAs, the could care less if the board continues to operate without any accountability.

    The MWAA is just one particularly egregious example of what are hundreds of similar boards in Va that operate in ways antithetical go good government.

    and the only time the GOP really cares.. is when it involves one of their culture war battles.

  20. The problem is crony capitalism. Both parties are equally guilty. Only their cronies are different. MWAA is operated to help distribute benefits to members’ cronies.
    Taxes produce slush funds. Boards divvy up slush funds. Dulles Rail is all about getting the public to pay for private gain. The original plan was rail in the median of the DTR. It could have been built already for much less and be running today. But the Tysons landowners figured out they could get more density if the line went through Tysons. Viola. The Tysons plan called for three stations. SAIC lobbyist and chairman of the Fairfax County BoS Gerry Connolly got another station added in front of his employer’s building. Viola.
    The public wanted a bid for a tunnel through Tysons. Bechtel doesn’t build tunnels and did not want to share the construction money. Viola -no bid, no tunnel. Not enough goodies in a right-to-work state. Viola – we have a PLA.
    And where is the MSM? Whining because taxes don’t get raised in Virginia. The slush fund for cronies is too small.

  21. re: crony capitalism … or… unions … or PLAs…or… name your favorite thing you hate….

    the problem is transparency …and accountability and when we focus on things like PLAs and who has members on the board all we are really engaging in is a power struggle to rule the same non-transparent, unaccountable process.

    some make it sound like the folks who want PLAs can skulk around in the shadows and the solution is to change the members of the board to stop it but that cure is as bad as the disease because as TMT correctly points out ..all it does is change the color of the cronyism.

  22. HardHatMommy Avatar
    HardHatMommy

    LarryG,
    Removing PLAs won’t “change the color of the cronyism”. The PLA gives the unions a clear advantage at the expense of 96% of the workforce in our state (we are highly skilled, trained, and qualified by the way).

    Removing the PLA simply gives equal opportunity to both union and non-union firms. That doesn’t benefit either political party directly because neither “color” is getting an unfair advantage.

    Please understand that Virginia has a great history of building our state without union-favoring PLAs. Our state has been constructed with teams comprised of both union and non-union workers because that is what happens when you allow for open competition without PLA mandates. The removal of the PLA gives everyone a fair chance at the work. It in no way gives non-union firms an advantage. It’s about creating an honest, fair playing field, not giving one side or another an advantage.

    I agree that there is obviously a lot of crony capitalism out there. But this PLA issue shouldn’t be bundled into that category.

  23. I have a question. Isn’t the Dulles rail also Federally funded, and as such, subject to Davis-Bacon? Davis-Bacon generally requires a minimum wage that usually follows union wages. So does the PLA actually matter or is it just a soundbite again?

  24. PW, the PLA matters because the business model of non-union construction firms is based on employing the construction workers on the job as opposed to hiring them in a union hiring hall. Different compensation schemes. Different attitudes towards teamwork. Different loyalty to the firm. If a PLA is mandated, non-union firms have to switch to a union-based business model, which puts them at a significant disadvantage. They are less likely to bid. Reducing the number of bidders makes it more likely that the final bid price will be higher.

  25. Is that what the PLA says? This is a question since I have been involved in Federally funded construction for nearly 40 years and have seen many PLAs and I don’t recall anything about hiring practices like that.

    I am not in favor of PLAs by the way and I am not defending them. I am trying to understand the issue better before I form a final conclusion. Most of the PLAs I have seen mirror Federal employment laws.

  26. PW, I don’t think the final wording of the mandatory PLA has been drafted yet. My understanding is that it will modeled on the voluntary PLA adopted by Dulles Transit Partners in Phase 1. But I do not profess to be an expert on the subject.

  27. @hhmom – I was pointing out that there are other things just as important as PLAs that get done under the covers because we have these authorities that in essence operate outside the view of most taxpayers.

    I wish the folks who were anti-PLA were just as passionate about how things like PLAs in MWAA get done without better rules for transparency for all decision-making.

    Why not use the PLA to become an advocate for a more open and more accountable process for ALL decisions?

    We have too much culture-war divisive stuff going on when there are, in fact, things we SHOULD be able to AGREE on – in the context of Good Government and sometimes I get the feeling that we are not interested in good government near as much as we are interested in polarizing issues.

  28. HardHatMommy Avatar
    HardHatMommy

    PW,
    PLAs come in many shapes and sizes. Sometimes big corporate contractors see a benefit from voluntarily using a PLA. DTP used one in Phase 1 that exempted all non-union subs. That was their decision and nobody was upset by it.

    The problem is when the government starts mandated a PLA from the start. That absolutely dissuades non-union contractors from bidding the job because PLAs typically require union labor and they typically set forth very traditional and antiquated union work rules which are in stark contrast to today’s collaborative and lean construction processes that is particularly valuable in design-build projects.

    As far as wages go, in states that have prevailing wage laws, a PLA adds 12 to 18% to the cost of the job; that increase has nothing to do with wages and benefits. The biggest factor in that price escalation is lack of competition. Non-union firms definitely shy away from PLAs. In Virginia, 96% of our construction workforce is non-union. Both union and non-union construction workers in our state are skilled and talented. That’s a lot of talented, hard-working people to put at a disadvantage.

    So that brings me back to the PLA on Phase 2. It is a mandated PLA unlike the voluntary PLA of Phase 1. Denny Martire who is an MWAA board member was quoted in the Washington Examiner saying of the PLA, “All this does is establish worker rules and where you get your workers from,” said Martire, vice president of Laborers’ International Union of North America.

    He went on with a very false, very rude description of the non-union workforce (who by the way renovated the Pentagon after 9/11 and constructed the huge $1.7 billion NGA project), saying, “They’d rather get a guy off of a bar stool and give him a tool and a lower wage. I don’t know how productive that is.”

    This is what makes those non-union firms walk away from work like this. There are great contractors who walk away from PLA work all the time. The cost of doing business in that manner isn’t worth the possible profit.

  29. HardHatMommy Avatar
    HardHatMommy

    Hi Larry G,
    You are absolutely right. I hate to think of all of the things that happen “under the covers” and I agree that both sides of the aisle actively participate in shady behavior. I am absolutely passionate about MWAA and all government and quasi-government agencies having greater transparency. I also think they should all have regular ethics training.

    This is an obvious hot button for me. It seems as if people want to brush it away or paint those opposed to the PLA as “anti-union”. And that just isn’t true.

    Removing the PLA is not divisive and it not unfair to unions. It shouldn’t be seen as a polarizing issue. It is just about as middle ground as you can get to remove PLAs and let both those with and without labor affiliation bid work.

    Growing up, I was that kid in school that was genuinely nice to everyone and today people who know me would say that kindness is my calling card. So when this PLA issue gets spun in a way to make it seem like it is somehow union-bashing when it is nothing of the sort, I just cringe. I don’t stand up for issues or beliefs that are divisive. And that’s why I’m probably over-sensitive when it comes to this.

  30. HHmom – I’m from the school that you should be able to join a union or not join a union – remember when you fly that big shiny jet – the two folks up front are UNION!

    but the PLA has become a pitched battle in a culture war… in my view.

    but if you want another example of how different authorities work – what is your view of the “water wars” up in NoVa?

  31. HardHatMommy Avatar
    HardHatMommy

    Larry G,
    I continue to sense that you want to fit me into the “anti-union” camp. Being against mandated PLAs doesn’t mean I am against unions.

    If the truth could be stripped of all this political baggage and rhetoric about culture wars, legislation against government mandated PLAs would sail through with bipartisan support.

    What if the government were mandating contracts that required non-union labor? I would be against that as well. The government should not discriminate based on whether or not you are affiliated with a union.

    You’ll have to educate me on the water wars. Has Mr. Bacon covered the topic?

  32. no..not trying to fit you into the anti-union camp. I really don’t like the PLA idea as currently proposed however I do believe that skilled workers should be certified and paid a fair wage and not have unskilled labor substituted to get a less expensive project.

    and again I point out that many unions work just fine.. and are not associated with higher costs… look at the airlines or Fed Ex/UPS.. all unionized and all delivering highly competitive prices for their services.

    my point about the PLAs.. is that I can name 4 or 5 other issues that you’ll find the same people who oppose the PLAs ..also associated with.. the only common thread often being a partisan ideology.

    I’d rather deal with each issue as to what the real problem really is and with the PLA…and MWAA..there’s MORE to it than JUST the PLA. What allowed the PLA thing to go forward was bad government. And I think we need to address the flaws of how MWAA operates holistically rather than focus on one thing that just so happens to part of a wider culture war against unions in general.

    the “water wars” in NoVa involve multiple water authorities that are fighting each other for control of the water systems in NoVa …. and not a one of them has elected people on them and most of their activities are unknown until the war between them erupted.

  33. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
    constructionandlaborguy

    To answer an earlier question. Yes, Phase 2 of the project is subject to federal prevailing wage (PW) and benefit rates set by the Davis-Bacon Act. All Phase 2 contractors must pay these government-determined PWs or they are breaking the law. This law applies to all federal construction projects greater than $2,000 and most federally assisted construction work. It applies regardless of whether a PLA is mandated by MWAA or there is no PLA at all. Phase 1 is subject to PW.

    Because Phase 1 received federal money and they hope to receive federal money for Phase 2, MWAA has budgeted for the added costs of paying the PW, rather than the market wage, into their estimates. It is unclear if Davis-Bacon is mandated by law because it received federal funding in Phase 1 (because Phase 2 is not receiving funding…yet…and DOT TIFIA loans are for garages and stations now being built by localities and not MWAA because of a gimmick to make the project look cheaper…so it is treated as a new project), so MWAA has skirted the issue by saying they are paying that no matter what (which they have the right to do).

    Contractors for projects of this size and nature don’t have a problem with paying prevailing wage and benefit rates in compliance with the Davis-BaconAct, but they do have a problem with PLA mandates.

    However, Davis-Bacon has some drawbacks, and it is not a costless policy. It does increase contractors’ costs through more paperwork, red tape and confusion, which is typical of government regulations benefiting a special interest (unions). In addition, it is a barrier to entry for small and minority businesses unable to handle the complexities of the law. This paper in the CATO journal does a great job explaining some of the problems with the law: http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj30n1/cj30n1-7.pdf

  34. Cato? are you seriously suggesting that they have a balanced view of this?

    I don’t trust CATO as far as I can throw them.. they present a view – yes – but it’s not balanced.

    the biggest hit I have against CATO is that they basically assemble anecdotal information as proof rather than actually doing a study that compares major similar projects with and without PLAs – which would give serious credibility to the claims.

    Not a single comparative chart … and virtually all of their narrative is assertions and speculation without good supporting data.

    I’m sorry.. I expect something more than just opinions.

    how about plain old Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis%E2%80%93Bacon_Act

    at least they’ll get ALL the facts on the table… This is an old law that Republicans have hated for a long time…

    and here’s the wiki for PLAs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Labor_Agreement

    remember.. the info in Wiki is basically from verified sources. In the case of Davis-Beacon and PLA – there are over 130 footnotes to those references.

    PLAs have been in use since the 1930’s

    I’m inclined to agree that PLAs are likely anachronisms but at the same time for anyone to claim that Dulles Metro is not using Federal Funds.. is ludicrous.

    All it will take is one letter from one Federal administrator to require PLAs.

    right?

    and again.. there are many other things wrong with the way that MWAA does business and yet we pick ONE issue that is a controversial political issue as opposed to dealing with the larger problem which is the murky and unaccountable way that MWAA operates on ALL the things it does.

  35. The one thing that would really impress me from the McDonnell administration is in they would advocate for better transparency and more accountability for these quasi-government entities.

    I don’t trust McDonnell’s confederates on this board any more than I do the other guys. They’re all operating outside the purview of public scrutiny.

  36. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
    constructionandlaborguy

    Larryg-

    I stand by my comment that the paper from CATO does a great job explaining the problems with the prevailing wage/Davis-Bacon law.

    I didn’t say it explained the arguments for the law or that it was particularly balanced. And if you read the paper, instead of immediately having a knee-jerk reaction against the paper because it is from CATO, you would have realized it does not focus on PLAs, but rather Davis-Bacon. They are different topics.

    If you are looking for a “neutral” and “balanced” source on this topic, an April 6, 2011 report published by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), titled, “Davis-Bacon Act: Methodological Changes Needed to Improve Wage Survey” is a good place to learn some of the flawed methodology and serious problems with how the government (the U.S. Department of Labor) determines wage and benefit rates under the Davis-Bacon Act:
    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11152.pdf

    The problems with the Davis-Bacon Act expressed by contractors and taxpayers, and related wage determination methodology are real problems and are not the product of conservative posturing.

    As to your other point. On federally assisted projects, a federal agency can’t mandate a PLA. The decision is left up to the recipient of the federal assistance (in this case, that is MWAA, if you believe Phase 2 is subject to federal assistance). President Obama’s Executive Order 13502 encouring PLA mandates on a case-by-case basis applies only to federal projects (federal projects are when an agency is building something, think USACE, NAVFAC, GSA, VA, etc.).

  37. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
    constructionandlaborguy

    I agree MWAA needs more accountability. Who doesn’t agree with that statement?

    Of course citizens and politicians are going to use the PLA issue as a flash point to explain how MWAA is not transparent. The PLA speaks to accountability and MWAA’s poor judgement because a PLA mandate will increase costs, limit competition, and harm Virginia’s construction workforce.

    Remember, the PLA is the product of MWAA board member Dennis Martire (the vice president of the laborers union LIUNA). He pushed for the Phase 2 PLA MANDATE to ensure his union’s members would receive jobs. This is the definition of a conflict of interest and cronyism.

    Let’s say a Haliburton executive sat on MWAA’s board and advanced a measure that would all but ensure Haliburton would win the multi-billion dollar Phase 2 construction contract. Would you be OK with the public overlooking this conflict of interest at MWAA “as opposed to dealing with the larger problem which is the murky and unaccountable way that MWAA operates on ALL the things it does”? I hope not.

    It is wise to be skeptical of all MWAA members. But at least McDonnell’s new appointees would provide some balance to the board and give Virginia more representation considering the fact that the Commonwealth, Fairfax County, Loudoun County and Virginia toll road users will be footing the bill for this project.

    MWAA ought to cooperate with their funding stakeholders.

  38. HardHatMommy Avatar
    HardHatMommy

    LarryG,
    I believe FedEx is non-union and UPS is union. There is choice in that marketplace. Good for them. But you see I could care less about other industry’s unions. I don’t feel like I’m educated enough on these other industries to pontificate and I don’t think they are relevant to this discussion.

    I also think this provides someone like you an opportunity to expose to the public the shady backroom deals of the MWAA board.

    One reason I want to single out the PLA issue is because I don’t want to see this as a trend in our state. We have successfully built this state without PLAs. Again, both union and non-union work together when you don’t have PLAs. Getting rid of a PLA means you are opening work to both those with and without labor affiliation. That’s how we build in Virginia … together. It makes me angry that the MWAA board is injecting drama into an otherwise harmonious dynamic. Today on a big commercial job, you might have a non-union mechanic next to a union electrician. They talk, joke, and likely eat lunch together. One has a 401k and one has a pension. One has incentive to rise up, get training outside their current job description and climb a ladder into management, the other has the benefit of staying put and watching wages and job security rise due to seniority. It’s all about what is right for the individual. Who is MWAA to meddle with this?

    Bottom line is that our state builds without PLAs. Have you looked at the story of the post 9/11 renovation of the Pentagon? No PLA there and it was an amazing project. What about the NGA job? That has got to be close to a $2 billion project and it came in under budget and ahead of schedule. No PLA on that one. I could rattle off hundreds of projects that haven’t had a PLA in this state because we just don’t need them or use them here. We have a really qualified and educated workforce in our state. Arguably one of the best in the country. And we are mostly non-union. Because we have so much federal work, we don’t have a problem with illegal workers. I can’t speak for home building but I can tell you that you can’t man big jobs – commercial or private – in Virginia with an illegal workforce. You’re going to be out of business fast if you try. So all this rhetoric about needing unions to somehow improve the workforce is a big fat lie.

    If you are concerned about really knowing the facts, you wouldn’t imply that non-union is less skilled or cutting corners. Non-union tends to be multi-skilled because that is a growing trend internationally right now and the USA is doing its best to apply lessons we are learning from overseas architects, engineers and constructors. Because our non-union workforce isn’t fractioned into different unions, we can cross-train. You might be able to add a year onto your apprenticeship program and learn how to support or connect to a related trade for instance. You won’t find that mindset in the unions because that would mean the different trade unions would have to get along and that isn’t how it works. For so long the unions have had all this money that flows into these grassroots and media campaigns and the small non-union business owners don’t have that kind of organization and cash to get an accurate reflection out there.

    I’ll leave you with this … it is really easy to unionize a company (even in Virginia). The business owner today basically gets muzzled and can’t speak up about the benefits the non-union structure brings. The votes happen quickly and the unions have full access to tell their story to employees and persuade them. So why are 96% of Virginia construction trades professionals not in a union? Why don’t they vote to pay union dues and join? It is being offered on a routine basis. Unions send postcards to employees’ houses with the company logo inviting everyone to a company picnic and they show up and it is actually the union organizers throwing the party and the business owner has no idea what is going on until after the fact. So if unions are so great, why don’t more than 4% of construction workers sign on the dotted line with a construction union?

  39. re: CATO – I read CATO but not to understand an issue just to understand one side of it.

    They often use what I consider to be bomb-throwing words and have obvious bias and their footnoting is often sloppy and you cannot always verify their references.

    I stand by my opinion that CATO is not a place to understand the pros and cons of an issue but instead a place to go assemble talking points in opposition.

    I go to CATO in my search of several sites but I never ever rely on them for complete and honest info.

    re: transparency and accountability – a gnat on a dogs butt from you folks UNTIL PLASs came up.. where were you before and why is your emphasis now on PLAs and not the fundamental problem that allowed PLAs to progress without oversight?

    re: Fed Ex/UPS – are you saying that the govt should not use those services because they are union? l Do you think the govt should use only non-union delivery services?

    re:l ” … basically gets muzzled and can’t speak up about the benefits the non-union structure brings” that’s one view.

    the other view is that the employer will use that opportunity to intimidate workers and there are clear examples of it.

    ” Non-union tends to be multi-skilled ” if they are certified in multiple disciplines great. if you are using that as an excuse to use unskilled, “learn-on-the-job” labor.. then no.

    See.. there are two sides to the issue and ya’ll make no attempt to deal with the downsides … as a counter-offer compromise. It’s all unions-bad.. non-unions good… and that’s essentially ideology.

    I’m all for the employer being allowed to “inform’ but if you use that as an excuse to allow them to intimidate then are you truly interested in a fair approach?

    Let me ask you … would you support a rule that specifies the verifiable qualifications of the labor?

    I performed as a CoTar for the govt and when we hired contractors, we had specify yes or no approval over each proposed staff…based on their qualifications.. we turned down many a person who was not qualified but “willing to learn”… “willing to cross-train”….

    Don’t you think any entity that hires should have that ability?

    do you think an employer should be forced to accept someone who is said to be “cross-trained” but has no certifications to demonstrate it?

    why? why not?

  40. put this in perspective in your own circumstance also. Would you hire someone to do significant work on your home if that person was not licensed and bonded with appropriate certifications?

    would you hire a person who is “cross-training” to work on your electric or your gas furnace?

    the PLAs don’t specify unions – they specify job qualifications, right?

    so would you support open bidding on projects but specific skills had to be provided with credentials?

    isn’t that the same standard you’d use in your own circumstances?

    If someone said they could replace your roof or fix your furnace for 1/2 the prevailing wage because they were “cross-trained” ..what would you do?

  41. HardHatMommy Avatar
    HardHatMommy

    Wait a darn little minute LarryG. I have in no way said that unions are bad. I have in fact said that both union and non-union have a great history of working together in our state. When have I said anything bad about the unions? I’m saying that the PLA gives unions an unfair advantage and discriminates against non-union people. That doesn’t make me against unions. I think both should be allowed to build Virginia. I’m against mandatory PLAs. I am not against unions.

    Once again I think you are trying to read between my lines. I use both Fed Ex and UPS. The government should use whatever serves their needs and gets them the best deal for their buck. The point is that there are choices. There shouldn’t be any rule that forces anyone to use one or the other.

    Employers are scared to death to do anything wrong and they are muzzled unfairly. Small business owners are regular normal people, not big tycoons. They want to be able to explain the differences between a 401k you take with you when you go and a pension you have to marry. They want to talk about the career advancement they offer. They want to talk about the benefits they provide. Not intimidate. You know most people who own construction firms actually rose up through the ranks and have worked “in the field”. These aren’t people who intimidate employees.

    And where is this idea that the non-union apprenticeship programs are lesser than union ones or that non-union people are not qualified and trained? DOL watches the state and association programs like a hawk. And guess what, those non-union programs absolutely strive to build skills in related disciplines and offer opportunities to continue training in a related train, thus cross-training. It only makes sense and it gives people greater career mobility and makes for safer and more efficient jobsites. Why are kids allowed to double-major in college but not in apprenticeship? If you’re willing to put in the extra time and effort, why wouldn’t you want that?

    Why this notion that non-union is unskilled, not licensed, not bonded or lacking certifications? We are talking about the commercial and industrial construction industry. Not about someone building a shed in a backyard. You can’t work on these magnificent projects and not be qualified. How on earth do they build projects like NGA or any of this other BRAC work without having all the proper credentials?

    The union and non-union folks both have to meet the same qualifications. Contrary to popular belief, we dummies in construction actually go through 4 or 5 YEARS of apprenticeship. We are not so stupid that we can’t learn how an electrical system works with an alarm system or how an HVAC system works with a mechanical system if we choose to take our education farther. Seriously, who the heck is learning on the job out there? Again, they aren’t building an addition on a house. This is complicated work. You don’t “wing it” in commercial and industrial construction. Give us some credit here.

    What you are trying to do is argue that union shops have better training. That is a false claim. And it is so offensive to the wonderful people who spend years of their lives going to school, not for a fancy college degree, but to graduate as an apprentice, become a journeyman, and a master at their trade. It is safer to have a workforce that actually knows how to collaborate with related trades. It is also highly efficient. And if we don’t learn to do this, we fall behind the rest of the world.

    And yes, I would want someone who is cross-trained to work on my electric or gas. Absolutely. The more education they have had, the better. Why wouldn’t you want people with additional education and certification? Why make people only learn one specific area and close their eyes to the rest? They can make more money as individuals because they are adding value to the team by being able to connect dots. As technology and BIM become a bigger part of our industry, it is essential that the people in the field can make informed decisions about clash detection issues and actual speak the language of the trades that they integrate with. Let’s get out of the dark ages here.

    Regarding what a PLA is. Dennis Martire was quoted saying that the PLA is about “where the workforce comes from”. I feel like a broken record, but the PLA is about labor. The construction contracts may include safety and work rules and all kinds of qualifications and expectations – no PLA needed to cover those standard contract terms. But the PLA is about labor.

    I am against PLAs because they discriminate and they don’t provide any advantage to workers, businesses, or taxpayers. I’m not against unions.

  42. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
    constructionandlaborguy

    Larryg,

    I’m not against unions. I’m against the unions pushing their chums in government to help unions get more work (via unionized contractors winning contracts) through a needless restraint on competition: a government-mandated PLA.

    A PLA is a contract and can say anything. A PLA MIGHT be a useful tool, in theory, but it isn’t, because it is typically loaded with terms and conditions drafted by labor that ensure union members work on projects and nonunion workers and contractors are discriminated against and discouraged from competing.

    If a PLA would be beneficial, the contractor should be free to draft their own agreement with specified unions, make that decision voluntarily, and prove that case in the free competitive bidding market.

    The prime contractor on Phase 1 of the Silver Line VOLUNTARILY signed a PLA. Subcontractors did not have to sign a PLA and many nonunion firms are building Phase 1 free from ANY PLA – MWAA says close to 60 percent of the contracts have gone to nonunion firms that have not signed a PLA.

    I take issue with the government-MANDATING a PLA on Phase 2. This is cronyism. The public doesn’t know the FINAL terms of the Phase 2 PLA yet, but we did see a draft PLA for Phase 2 from MWAA staff and Dennis Martire and it was horrendous. Like most PLAs, it forces contractors to hire their labor from union hiring halls, follow union work rules and pay into a variety of union slush funds and benefit plans.

    If you are a contractor and you have an existing workforce, why should you have to hire unfamiliar union labor and tell your existing employees you have invested money in to take a hike for this project? Or, why should you be forced to send your existing employees (in the construction industry, your tradespeople are your best assets) to the union hiring hall before you can use them on a PLA project?

    Do you understand why this doesn’t make sense?

    If you are a Virginia resident who does not belong to a construction union and the PLA even ALLOWS you to work on the project, why should you be told that if you want to work on a taxpayer-funded construction project, you have to agree to unwanted union representation, join a union and/or pay union fees and/or go to the union hiring hall for placement back to your existing employer (but only after the unemployed union members have been hired ahead of you on the hiring hall bench)? Your employer would be forced to pay your benefits to union plans but you will never receive those benefits unless you join a union and become vested in these plans.

    How does a PLA mandate benefit qualified nonunion construction workers from Virginia?

    To your other point, why do you assume that unions and union hiring halls are the only place to get qualified labor? Does that mean that 94 percent of Virginia’s construction workforce – those who do not belong to a union – are not qualified? I don’t accept the premise of your scenario.

    If I were building a furnace in my home, I’d want a number of qualified businesses to compete for the job regardless of whether or not they used union labor, nonunion labor or if they had union agreements. I would then look at their qualifications and estimates and choose someone who could provide the most bang for my buck.

    The government should do the same.

  43. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
    constructionandlaborguy

    P.S. I’m also a advocate of transparency. MWAA should be posting their minutes online and broadcasting their meetings over the internet. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

    I didn’t know about Bacon’s Rebellion until Mr. Bacon started writing about the project. I like the thoughtful posts and comments from everyone and seeing everyone’s POV on a variety of issues important to the Commonwealth. The MSM doesn’t have the expertise in these types of issues.

    If I had known about the website earlier, I would have visited the website as much as I do now.

    And believe me, if I had known how shady MWAA was before it became clear this project was having financial problems and there was a PLA controversy, I would have been all over them and joined the chorus of people demanding transparency and accountability.

    I’m hoping the governor’s appointees will be the agents of change.

  44. I will accede to HHMom points…for the most part. PLAs though are not new things.. they have been around for decades… and no doubt were used in many earlier construction projects, perhaps even METRO… without the kerfuffle that is going on right now.

    I agree that no law should mandate the use of union labor.

    I do not agree that apprentice labor is qualified labor unless it is explicitly agreed to in the term of the contract to employee folks who are apprentices.

    I am opposed to looking for cheap labor – at the expense of qualifications – in any project ..your own home.. or on public infrastructure where your safety is also an issue.

    on the furnace… you’d get the bids.. how would you insure that the guy/gal doing the work had the right qualifications and was not a “learning” apprentice …for the lowest bid work?

    I play devils’ advocate on questions … and I openly question what I perceive to be inconsistencies …

    in the case of PLAs.. been around along time.. been a lot of projects built with PLAs.. without complaint.. why is it an issue NOW?

    Having said that .. I hope that both HHMom and ConstructionandLabor GUy stick around in BR and comment frequently.

    The reason I like BR is that Mr. B specializes in Va issues and he has this rule about not engaging in Ad Hominems but encourages debate….

    so you guys/gals stick around.. you both obviously have great knowledge and great interest in PLAs and probably other areas.

    and HHMOM.. I agree with you more than I disagree with you if that is any consolation.

    🙂

  45. HardHatMommy Avatar
    HardHatMommy

    Hi LarryG,
    A few quick points. PLAs are less common then you think, particularly in our region. They are rare in our state. Look at all the BRAC work and the monuments that have been built recently, the university work, the schools … they are built without PLAs. And again, that means that both union and non-union are building those projects. And when PLAs do pop up, there is absolutely a fight. I was a bit of a spring chicken during the Wilson Bridge situation, but was old enough to remember there was one bidder with the PLA and multiple bidders when the PLA was lifted. I remember that there was quite a fight over that PLA. The reason people didn’t yell about Phase 1’s PLA is because the winning contractor chose to institute a voluntary PLA. There is nothing to complain about there. They were not discriminating and it was their choice as the winning contractor.

    If you don’t think apprentice labor is qualified, you have a problem with both union and non-union shops. There are formulas that determine how many helpers, apprentices, journeymen, masters etc are on jobs and what level of responsibility those individuals have. On Phase 1 for instance, there is no difference in the ratio of apprentice to journeyman for union and non-union trades people.

    And that brings me to my vulnerability. When you mention cheap labor, it pains me. These are people who work really hard and they have gone through training programs and they take continueing ed to keep learning. They build our schools, hospitals, monuments, recreational facilities, and office buildings. There is nothing cheap about these people who bring so much value – they make the world go round; whether they are union or non-union. So that’s my sensitive spot. I feel like I need to defend and stand up for this industry. I guess that is what keeps me coming back to this discussion.

    If you’re a homeowner I don’t know how you know how to select the right person. But in commercial and industrial construction, you bid work based on your people, your projects and your process. Your people are shown to have this and that certification and this and that level of experience. Your projects show what you’ve done before and can do again. And your processes are what can set you apart for example using technology to reduce “punch list” items. These are the three things that you bring to the table: people, projects, process. And then of course there is price and often the lowest bid wins at the end of the day. I am a fan of best value not lowest bid. But hey, the world isn’t perfect. Anyways, on these big jobs you totally know who is qualified and who isn’t. Again, this isn’t building a screened in porch. There are existing rules and structure and they apply to everyone. That’s why these big jobs start with an RFQ – a request for qualifications.

    And on a side note, if I start commenting on other JB posts, I fear I might go overboard – when I drop the Hard Hat and am just Mommy, I can get pretty worked up, particularly when it comes to education. Perhaps I will weigh in on something else one day but for now I’m having trouble keeping up with you LarryG on this one issue!

  46. constructionandlaborguy Avatar
    constructionandlaborguy

    Larryg, I appreciate the civil discussion and your approach to learning about a new and complicated issue. It is the only way to get to the truth. I only wish MWAA members did the same, ha.

    I will mention one last point about your statement that PLAs have been around a long time. They were important starting around WWII when 80 percent of the construction workforce was unionized. Without the PLA protection against a union strike, a huge and important project would be crippled.

    Times have changed. Today, across the country, 87 percent of the construction workforce does not belong to a union. Unions no longer hold a monopoly on construction labor. So there is a skilled alternative to union labor providing the government with a quality product. And government’s are less concerned with strikes because construction unions rarely strike these days and nonunion workers don’t strike.

    PLAs were used infrequently for about forty years after WWII (in most cases, it was unclear if they were government-mandated or if they were voluntarily entered into) and the record keeping on this topic isn’t centralized or particularly accurate (or interesting).

    But then in the 80s and 90s, unions turned to PLAs MANDATED by friendly governments as a tool to regain lost market share and grow their membership and keep work for their members because the nonunion competitors were dominating them in the free market.

    With the PLA, they took an old tool and adapted it to serve their objectives. You can see construction unions adapting and customizing the public policy concern du-jour (whether it is green jobs, weatherization, oil pipelines, local hire, minority hire, veteran hire) to help them regain lost market share. All they need is a new vehicle and they want to drive it.

    The government-mandated PLA issue has been a controversial topic in the construction industry ever since Bush I because nonunion contractors and workers have grown in size and sophistication and are rightfully upset when PLAs are mandated on taxpayer funded projects. Believe me, there have been huge fights over PLA mandates on projects for the last 30 years. There haven’t been too many in this area, because DC/NoVA is not a union area for construction. The last big fight in Virginia was on the Wilson Bridge about 10 years ago.

    So just because PLAs have been around a long time doesn’t mean they aren’t offensive or controversial today.

  47. Thanks CGuy and HHMom. I think I’m less ignorant now than before.. perhaps.

    I think the thing that struck me is that PLAs have become controversial and I’m not seeing exactly why although CGUY went through some.

    The fact that the PLA thing has surfaced at about the same time as other anti-union efforts such as those in Wisconsin and Ohio makes me think it is more than a coincidence.

    Still.. I’m opposed to mandating PLAs… and I’m even more opposed to MWAA operating out of view of the public… because of capital cronyism as well as the PLA deal.

    HHMom – education is a recurring discussion on BR… stay tuned. I’m sure that Mr. B has something in the oven!

    CGUY – stick around.. I’d like to hear more about what you think about Tysons and the Dulles Rail

    🙂

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