Credit: Bing Image Creator. Sacagawea scratching her head, in the style of Frederick Remington.

by James A. Bacon

In the spring of 2022 University of Virginia alumnus Warren Lightfoot emailed Rector Whitt Clement, a fraternity brother, to share the experiences of a friend and friend’s daughter during a university tour. Among other negative observations about UVa, reported Lightfoot, the student tour guide had made a point of noting that the university was built on land taken from Indians, that it was built by slaves, that its plans were “stolen” from slaves, and that the University had caused little but harm to the residents of Charlottesville over 200 years. “Needless to say, my friend and his daughter were unimpressed, shocked and offended,” recounted Lightfoot, who, as a former student tour guide himself, had been proud of the institution he represented.

Clement thanked his frat brother for the email. “I have heard similar, but less disturbing, accounts. I am going to look into this — totally unacceptable.”

True to his word, Clement talked to Greg Roberts, associate vice provost of enrollment and undergraduate admission. The Office of Undergraduate Admissions coordinated with the independent, student-run Student Guide Service to brief prospective students about the university. Typically, officials with the university would meet with prospects and their parents, and then turn them over to guides for tours of dormitories, student amenities and Thomas Jefferson’s architectural masterpiece of the Lawn.

Reporting back to Lightfoot, Clement reiterated his concerns. “I have expressed my dismay about this tour guide and am told it is an isolated event and that the guide is gone. This episode is totally unacceptable. Even if the tour guide program is part of student self-governance, which I am told is the case, then they must do a lot better job in self-selection and with the content of their tours; otherwise, serious intervention and changes would be in order in my opinion.”

But by August 2022 nothing had changed. Frustrated by the lack of concrete action, Lightfoot got back in touch with Clement to say that “the nonsense with the student guides has not stopped at all.”

Clement replied: “Yep, problem in my view not fixed but Steve Farmer, [vice provost of enrollment] whose bailiwick includes tour guides, says progress is being made. UVa has hired someone to be directly responsible for overseeing this program. Run by students themselves, I have suggested paying them and then holding them accountable.  Apparently just a few bad apples in the bunch. Favorable responses from exit polls are something like 96%. It should be 100%.”

Time went by. In April 2023, Lightfoot heard yet another story of inappropriate commentary during a student-guided tour, and he let Clement know about it.

It’s troubling to me that it’s still happening despite assurances that this would be fixed, and it’s remarkable to me that this report sounds eerily similar to the report of the offensive tour I gave you a year ago along with the audio from part of that tour (remember we were told that the particular “rogue” guide had been removed from the Service and that the Service had new leadership who loves and promotes UVA and that UVA would make sure that this problem was fixed). I’m not sure what to conclude now after learning this new information other than the current Administration is not only not concerned about this but also, and more importantly, either allows or encourages this.

Clement responded: “Warren — this has continued to be a huge disappointment for [me] and other board members, even if we knew that this incident were unique. Very disheartening. Steve Farmer will be following up directly.”

*****

As is the Lightfoot-Clement correspondence testifies, University of Virginia officials have been fielding complaints for more than a year that the university-endorsed guided tours were turning off prospective students and their families. The stories cited by Lightfoot may have been anecdotal, but they were not atypical. In emails to The Jefferson Council, Vice Provost Farmer said the university acknowledges the complaints and is acting to address them. If change seems slow, it’s because the administration does not control the Student Guide Service, an independent, student-run organization, but must work collaboratively with it.

It also appears that the Ryan administration was slow to recognize the problem.

Based on his interaction with university officials, Clement was led to believe initially that 96% of Student Guide ratings were favorable and that a few “bad apples” accounted for the negative stories. But a Jefferson Council analysis of written evaluations submitted by parents and students, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), indicated that 35% in 2022 were highly negative.

The Jefferson Council had asked for “summaries, reports, or data compilations, circulated internally or for consumption elsewhere within the university, based upon the responses over the past five years.” The FOIA office responded that no summaries or reports existed, and it provided a compilation of evaluations for only 2022 and 2023. It is not clear what basis Admissions had for informing Clement that “exit polls” showed 96% favorable ratings.

The Jefferson Council also asked for correspondence between the Office of Admissions, the Office of the President, and Rector Clement on the one hand and the Student Guides on the other. The FOIA office responded that the cost of searching the relevant records would be $9,350. The Council declined to pay the sum.

To be sure, some of the Guides’ feedback was positive. The content of some tours was not overtly political, and respondents praised individual guides. Even when the content was political, some parents appreciated the “candid” and “honest” portrayal of UVa’s distant racist past. But many on the tours were offended that guides dwelled on ancient injustices without acknowledging that the university has undergone a sea change since the 1960s. In other words, the tours were polarizing and, to the extent that they alienated a significant percentage of prospective students, they were antithetical to the aim of putting the university in the best possible light.

Bert Ellis, president emeritus of The Jefferson Council and a 2022 appointee to the Board of Visitors, shared concerns last year about the Student Guides with other board members but has been unable to get the issue on the Board agenda. The administration has chosen to work out its differences with the Student Guides quietly and behind the scenes.

Clement is optimistic that changes are coming. “I am assured that significant, measurable changes will be implemented either this summer or when the school year begins in August,” he wrote in an email. “Now having a person in place whose job is to supervise the guides and paying a stipend (I believe that is what I have been told) should reverse what we have all been hearing.”

Clement, whose term as Rector expires at the end of this month, said it is important to distinguish between historical tours and orientation tours for prospective students and their families. Different standards should be applied to the two.

“If an historical tour, then, yes, the guides should cover, within an approved script for accuracy, the good and bad about our history,” he wrote. “Tours intended for prospective students and their families should be entirely different. Each tour guide should be a strong ambassador for the University.”

In tours for prospects, Clement recommended paying guides stipends, having them stick to tighter scripts, and holding them accountable for results, as measured by observation and questionnaires. “If a tour guide cannot present the University in the best possible light, he or she should no longer be allowed to serve as a guide.”

The goal, said Clement, should be having 99.9% of prospects leaving the University with a positive impression. “Each prospect should finish the tour with a stronger desire to attend the University than his/her desire before the tour.”

In emails to The Jefferson Council, Farmer said the Admissions Office has been working over the past year to “improve the experience” of prospective students and their families. Student-led tours, he added, are an important part of that experience.

Although the University Guides have operated with little involvement with faculty or staff, it has “done a good job over the years,” Farmer said. But he concedes that the Guides have experienced “challenges” since the COVID pandemic. “We’ve received periodic complaints about their tours since the tours resumed in June 2021.”

By way of background, the upswing in complaints also coincided with the implementation of many recommendations in 2021 of the Racial Equity Task Force appointed by President Jim Ryan. Among many actions, the University removed the statue of Indian-fighter George Rogers Clark, expunged the names of past benefactors now deemed racist, constructed a memorial to enslaved laborers, expanded its Diversity, Equity & Inclusion bureaucracy, and erected historic signage informed by social-justice concerns. With minimal administrative pushback, many faculty and students have reinterpreted Thomas Jefferson as a slaveholder and rapist, and have rewritten university history to emphasize its connections to slavery, racism, segregation, eugenics and the oppression of minorities and women. This revisionist history is reflected in the Student Guides’ manual, which inductees are required to study and absorb.

Although the Guides have received compliments as well, Farmer continued, the administration has focused on addressing complaints. The Office hired an associate dean to “improve all aspects of the welcome we provide [to prospective students], including our tours,” and has increased the number of paid interns who give tours. Also, he said, “We’re engaging directly and regularly with the University Guide Service, and we’re sharing the feedback our guests are providing.” 

We’ve emphasized that our top priorities must be to welcome guests warmly, recruit great students from all walks of life, and inspire every student and family member who visits,” Farmer said. “We’ve also stressed that our tours need to recognize and respect that our guests travel long distances to visit us and that we owe them courtesy and care at every turn.”

The trick, says Farmer, is to “strike the right balance” between the administration’s priorities and upholding the tradition of student self-governance. The Admissions Office “works collaboratively with student groups to guide their efforts” rather than dictate to them, as occurs on campuses where students haven’t been as involved historically in tours.

“We believe we need to collaborate on the content of the tours with the students who are giving them,” Farmer said. “We also believe we need to collaborate with students on training and assessment. And we will continue to welcome student leadership in the training of our full-time staff, since our understanding of our current students and our relationships with them are crucial to our ability to recruit the students who will follow.”

“Fortunately, our conversations with the current leaders of the Guides have been constructive,” Farmer says, “and I’m optimistic that we’re on our way to an understanding that all parties will consider preferable to what we’ve seen in recent years.”

The Jefferson Council reached out to the Student Guides Service by email asking for an interview but has not received a response.


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81 responses to “Who Guides the Guides?”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Based on his interaction with university officials, Clement was led to believe initially that 96% of Student Guide ratings were favorable and that a few “bad apples” accounted for the negative stories. But a Jefferson Council analysis of written evaluations submitted by parents and students, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), indicated that 35% in 2022 were highly negative.”

    Ummm… you evaluated specific comments submitted by a biased group – only 23 at that…. These are quite likely not the same as simple “ratings” which would number far greater and given the number of attendees of the tours throughout the year your 35% of 23 is likely right in line with 96+% positive ratings.

    1. WayneS Avatar

      How do you know the group was biased?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        They cared enough to be one of only 23 people to write a review. They were hardly a representative sample of the typical tour attendee therefore biased (either positively or negatively).

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        They replied.

        Eight years ago a boy was born. It was a perfectly normal birth up to a point. The doctor smacked the baby to promote breathing and the baby just stared back.

        Months went by and not a sound from the kid. The parents took him to specialists. His ears were checked. His lungs and throat were checked. As he aged, child psychologists were engaged. All to no avail.

        Last night at the dinner table the kid scooped up his plate and tossed it across the room shouting, “This is swill! A dog won’t eat it!”

        At first shocked and angered then elated that after 8 years their son had spoken, the parents cried, “You can speak! Why? Why not until now?”

        “Because up ‘til now, everything has been okay.”

        His review of the meal could be assumed to be biased.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          “His review of the meal could be assumed to be biased.”

          But absolutely correct.:)

    2. No data or documents exist to support the 96% rating — at least if we assume that UVA’s FOIA office was obeying the law and turning over all the documents I asked for. The supposedly “biased” evaluations I based my conclusions on are the ONLY data available.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Then you have no more support to make your statement than you contend that they do. At least they actually had access to the typical tour attendee. You had a biased and incredibly small sample.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Then you have no more support to make your statement than you contend that they do. At least they actually had access to the typical tour attendee. You had a biased and incredibly small sample.

  2. WayneS Avatar

    …the student tour guide had made a point of noting that the university was built on land taken from Indians, that it was built by slaves, that its plans were “stolen” from slaves, and that the University had caused little but harm to the residents of Charlottesville over 200 years.

    1) Land taken from Indians. Okay. But those Indians had, in turn, taken it from other indigenous people.

    2) Built by slaves. Largely true and there is no avoiding it.

    3) Plans for UVA stolen from slaves. Huh? This is the first time I have heard of anyone making that claim. Is there any credible evidence that Thomas Jefferson did not design the original buildings and grounds of UVA?

    4) The University had caused little but harm to the residents of Charlottesville over 200 years. The City of Charlottesville would not exist if UVA had not been built or had not prospered. How’s that for “harm” to the residents of Charlottesville?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Robbing thieves is profitable up to a point. They haven’t heard of tort reform.

      On 1), should it be renamed Canaan then?

    2. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      “3) Plans for UVA stolen from slaves.”

      Perhaps plans stolen from slaves with no knowledge of architecture would explain the idiotic hanging floors and balconies Jefferson put in the State Capitol building and at UVa in the Lawn buildings. The collapse of those has been killing and injuring people for 150 years or more.

  3. David Wojick Avatar
    David Wojick

    Being proud is not allowed.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Pride goeth before the fall.

  4. Amphibium Avatar
    Amphibium

    I did not leave a critique on any other site, but we had a two or three star experience with a Fall 2022 UVa tour. My son left the tour professing he would not even apply to UVa. That UVa was founded on white/male supremacy and is still struggling to overcome its influence was an overarching theme of our tour guide.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Apparently true. And not just your son’s guide but the Boomer Gen alumni too.

  5. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Unacceptable behavior should not be tolerated. Even if the tours are by a group that is not part of the university’s structure, it functions with its blessing or forbearance. The student organization should be told that if it wants to maintain its independence and freedom, it has to exercise a level of responsibility or else the university will take control over it.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      So, restricting speech?

      Prospective student: “Are the students here snobbish and opinionated?”

      Student guide: “Only the alumni.”

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Is zat perhaps how they get to matriculate and become alumni?

    2. “Exercise a level of responsibility or else . . . .” Exactly. But what is that “level” — who will decide, and who will monitor, and who will enforce? Does it come down to forbearance — aka benign neglect — until the University suffers unacceptable harm from the effect on applications?

      1. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O’Keefe

        It is clearly the University’s responsibility.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Exactly. We can delegate authority to act, but never responsibility for actions. That is a fundamental law of management.

          If UVa has set up a structure where it has delegated the authority to act, in this case to conduct tours, without adequate controls to maintain good outcomes or to promptly correct bad outcomes it has failed a fundamental requirement of management.

          That failure is an issue for the BoV to take up with Ryan and to make part of the annual evaluation of his stewardship of the university. He can delegate authority, but not responsibility.

          Same holds true for the BoV, which is their mandate to oversee Ryan and those to whom he delegates authority.

  6. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Why would a person attend a university that he/she found to have had such an offensive history? Much less be a guide for prospective students. This person could have made a much stronger statement of disgust with the history of UVA either by not applying or not attending if admitted.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    How about a nice heartwarming story about the many chapters of Moms for Liberty throughout Virginia instead of these UVa tour guide stories? I’m sure they’ll appreciate the coverage.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        One picture is worth 500 words behind a paywall…
        https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/image-25.png

        I guess you have to read the fine print (RHS).

        “I’m not afraid of the monster under the bed. I am the monster under the bed”

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        One picture is worth 500 words behind a paywall…
        https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/image-25.png

        I guess you have to read the fine print (RHS).

        “I’m not afraid of the monster under the bed. I am the monster under the bed”

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    How about a nice heartwarming story about the many chapters of Moms for Liberty throughout Virginia instead of these UVa tour guide stories? I’m sure they’ll appreciate the coverage.

  9. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Obviously the school is still flooded with applications, so the guides trashing the place haven’t slowed that. It still might the be the case that they are changing the mix of who applies and/or accepts to include more folks with a similar ideology, discouraging those who want to come worship at Jefferson’s feet. Might one suggest Bacon and his friends recruit and/or endow their own set of students willing to work with the potential applicants? Lighting candles versus cursing darkness…

    I have been to one of the Roman temples in France (Vienne) that Jefferson copied for the Capitol design. Maybe there was a precursor to the Academical Village?

    1. WayneS Avatar

      Obviously the school is still flooded with applications, so the guides trashing the place haven’t slowed that.

      True enough. Until/unless it causes a demonstrable drop in applications, they are unlikely to change anything.

      The TJC sponsoring their own student guides is a good idea, but would the student government approve of such a program?

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Speaking of French cathedrals and candles, still a lot of churches there lit by candles. How’s ND’s rebuild going?

  10. Teddy007 Avatar
    Teddy007

    Anyone who is worrying about the performance of tour guides for campus tours at highly selective universities needs to get a life. Anyone who picks or does not pick a certain university based upon the tour guide is probably not mature enough to be at a highly competitive university and should probably take a gap year.

    Any alumni who cares about such idiotic issues needs to turn off their computer and go out into the world. Geez.

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      So the people who wrote in saying UVA was removed because of the tour were lying?

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      “Anyone who picks or does not pick a certain university based upon the tour guide is probably not mature enough to be at a highly competitive university and should probably take a gap year.”

      Or … they are highly qualified applicants who will bet accepted into a number of top universities and will end up choosing one other than UVa because they don’t have the time or patience to deal with a bunch of whiny, entitled students who take uncompensated positions to talk down the school they attend.

      1. Teddy007 Avatar
        Teddy007

        UVA accepts 20% of those that apply. They are not worrying about running off good students. What universities really want is a lot of unqualified students to apply so that they can reject them and lower their acceptance rate. Remember, at the higher end, the university is picking the students instead of the students picking the university.

  11. “I have suggested paying them [the student guides] and then holding them accountable.”
    “[H]aving a person in place whose job is to supervise the guides and paying a stipend (I believe that is what I have been told) should reverse what we have all been hearing.”
    — Rector Clement

    Nice words. Now, how to hold the Administration to follow through after Whit is off the Board?

  12. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I know nothing about the guides at UVa., but I can attest to the effect that guides and alumni can have on a prospect’s decision. One of the biggest, if not the biggest, factors influencing my grandson’s decision of which college to attend was the enthusiasm for the place shown by students and alumni with whom he came into contact.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      My first visit to VT was not a school sponsored tour but from my step mother’s brother and his girlfriend. It was an awesome tour and it wasn’t raining in Blacksburg. I wonder how many other prospective students gain insight into the school from a guided tour by friends or family instead of the institution?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Probably a lot! Did you see the fistulated cows

        https://modernfarmer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cowhero1.jpg

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I’m sure a lot do. Did you see their fistulated cows?

        Not sure why my post with the picture of the cow with the hole (fistulated) in its side was removed. But VT has a bunch of them.

        http://www.collegiatetimes.com/lifestyle/holy-cow/article_3492f218-2b6e-5c9c-ad02-eff58fef9bfb.html

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      For many, they could care less. It’s money, or more often, “Location, Location, Location.”

    3. Teddy007 Avatar
      Teddy007

      Everyone needs to remember that most college applicants settle on a school. There are as many undergraduates at the Univrsity of Central Florida or Texas A&M than in the entire Ivy League. A school that is admitting 20% of applicants and is probably enrolling only half that number is not worried about pandering to finicky teenagers.

  13. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I guess only favorably opinionated guides are acceptable. Isn’t that dishonest?

    You do know the word that describes those who only express the “official version”, right?

    Indoctrinated.

    1. A successful salesman ought to be indoctrinated in how to sell the product, especially if income depends on it. As Rector Clement noted, a history tour has a different purpose than a prospective-student tour.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Do you know the difference between a used car salesman and a computer salesman?

        The car salesman knows when he’s lying.

        1. I wonder what Chat GPT would say in reply to that comment.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            How do you know that I’m not ChatGPT?

            “Believe only half (getting less everyday) of what you see, and none of what you hear.”

        2. Because Chat GPT cannot be indoctrinated.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Indoctrinated? Or just contrarian?

  14. M. Purdy Avatar
    M. Purdy

    Why do you think race issues in Charlottesville are “ancient”? Why is it not worthwhile to talk about those injustices? What evidence do you have that it was Ryan’s racial equity programs that led to this “scandal”? Would student guides be encouraged or discouraged from talking about Unite the Right, and the events that led to it, including the rally at the downtown monument to Lee, the march on the Lawn, and the involvement of Richard Spencer, a UVa alum? Is this also “ancient history”?

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Why talk about Spencer when you can tell a much better story about Ralph Sampson. He was a beast! My favorite college baller from when I was in high school.

      1. M. Purdy Avatar
        M. Purdy

        Well, that’s true. Ditto the 2019 team. I fully support talking about those subjects.

  15. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    “In tours for prospects, Clement recommended paying guides stipends.”

    No. Not only no, but hell no. If you have to pay your guides to keep them from slandering the state’s flagship university, then you’re ignoring a much bigger problem. Which, if you are the taxpayer-paid adult responsible for the issue, is bad. Very bad.

    If your university uses guides who are ashamed of their school’s history, it really doesn’t matter how much you pay them, does it?

    You shouldn’t have to tell the University Guides program to not recruit people who not only think UVA and Jefferson suck, but can’t want to say that to prospective students (and tuition-paying parents.)

    “the administration does not control the Student Guide Service, an independent, student-run organization, but must work collaboratively with it.”

    MUST work collaboratively with it? Why? Do the University Guides have tank divisions? Nuclear weapons? Just who IS in charge at UVA? Do adults work there anymore?

    If the University Guides are THIS arrogant, then it’s time for Virginia taxpayers to jerk them, hard, by the scruff of the neck.

    “The Office hired an associate dean to ‘improve all aspects of the welcome we provide [to prospective students], including our tours,’ and has increased the number of paid interns who give tours.”

    Something tells me “The Office” isn’t in charge here—the students are. Tuition-paying parents—you have been duly warned. You spend tuition money at UVa at your own risk. If you want a college for your child that’s run by adults, well…

  16. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Ever wonder what the New Money complains about?

  17. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Well I, for one at least, am certainly glad Joe Biden is President this morning…

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      You could form “Trolls for Biden ’24”. That should knock him down another several points, but it’s less effective than dementia.

      Was his question at the state dinner for Modi “Where are we?” what inspired you?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “…what inspired you?”

        Considering the alternative…

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Dementia and corruption are more attractive than…? That’s a funny set of values.

          With a little luck and hard work, neither of them will be on the ballot in ’24. Until then, as demented Joe says “God save the Queen” and “Where are we?”.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Joe is a far superior President than 45 was… I know you are happy he is there instead of Trump as well. It’s ok, you don’t have to say it out loud.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            I am not happy Biden is president, and not quiet about it. I voted 3rd party in both ’16 & ’20 (’96 too for that matter, although in retrospect Bob Dole looks better and better, moderate, a disabled veteran and funny. We should be so lucky today). I have never voted for Hillary, Trump or Biden, and am proud that I have upheld my duty as a citizen. It is my hope that more people will join me in rejecting Dem/Repub partisan debris. Voting “lesser evil” is the road to you know where in a handbasket.

            While I am glad we don’t have Trump for a second term, you are profoundly mistaken if you think that makes me happy that demented Joe is president. I am also thrilled we did not have corrupt neocon Hillary as President. That did not make me much happier with Trump than I am with Biden, although pathological narcissism is less debilitating than senile dementia and consistent rather than continuously degenerating. God save the Queen. Where are we?

            We’re in LaLa land. The last 50 years have been something, slippery Dick, doofus Jerry, Jimmy, an actor, Poppy, lecherous Bill, Duhbya, campaign on Change govern on Same Barack, Trump, Biden and more coming attractions. We sure can pick ’em, and the chickens are finally coming home to roost.

            Glad I’m old, and sad that you’re myopically glad with dementia in the White House.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Really interested in who you think is the perfect candidate (recent past or near future). And, yes, I am very happy with Joe Biden as our president. I think he has done a brilliant job!!

          4. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Thanks Xi.

          5. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            If you think Biden has done a “brilliant job” you have a very strange understanding of what “brilliant” means. By your standard Custer did a “brilliant job” at Little Big Horn.

            It may be time to add a “troll” bar to the Jim McCarthy Silly Walks award. Congrats, you’ve earned it.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            “yes, I am very happy with Joe Biden as our president. I think he has done a brilliant job!!”

            That says it all, and out of your own mouth, Congrats, and in Joe’s own brilliant words “God Save the Queen”

    1. Keydet Avatar

      Are you sure? The situation here was so dire you instigated the removal of the superintendent: https://money.com/best-liberal-arts-colleges-for-your-money/

      1. M. Purdy Avatar
        M. Purdy

        Being factually challenged, as you clearly are, does not speak well of VMI alums.

        1. Keydet Avatar

          My apologies, I was fuzzy on the details from the Time article from a couple years ago and misremembered which member of your group contacted the Washington Post.

          1. Keydet Avatar

            Of course, we shouldn’t let that distract from the fact that your own actions show a high ranking in Money magazine doesn’t make a school immune from criticism.

          2. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            Apples and oranges. And I never said that UVa was immune from criticism.

          3. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            Regardless, alums trying to reform VMI in 2020-22 never tried to remove the former superintendent, nor did anyone “on my side ever” suggest it. Anyone stating as much is devoid of the facts. Contrast the current campaign against Gen. Wins where there is an active alumni element advocating for his removal.

    2. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Come on. What position at UVA do you hold?
      Are you in the communications department?
      How come UVA brags about this rating, but quit using other ratings? Why is THIS ONE acceptable, but others, like law school rankings are not?
      How come, in a recent planted hit article in the Daily Regress, UVA bragged about a Mean SAT score of 1409 for the Class of 2023, but then discontinued using the SAT?
      (Other than to hide the racial discrimination occurring in admissions currently, as UVA uses “Landscape” to secretly tilt the discrimination)
      Asking for a friend…

      Here is the concern – UVA is not EDUCATING…
      It is INDOCTRINATING
      UVA is awash in money…overflowing with it, (trigger warning) “but the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.”

      SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY really means save our oligarchy as the plebes have awakened to the scam.

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        DJRippert

        UVa stopped requiring the SAT in order to be even more opaque in their admissions policies than in the past. With an average GPA of 4.34 (and barring a truly bizarre distribution), how much differentiation can GPA hold?

        While the ACT obviously has an agenda, the statistics it provides are interesting. From 2010 through 2021, the average high school GPA increased from 3.22 to 3.39. Over the same period, the average ACT score dropped from 21.0 to 20.3.

        An interesting observation ….

        “Research has also shown that grade inflation tends to vary by school affluence,” the report says. “This seemingly gives already advantaged students a boost in an academically competitive landscape in which students seek to show their academic worth and vie for their admission into colleges. Instead of making it easier for already advantaged students to get higher grades, it is imperative to create an equitable landscape where measures of academic performance evaluate content mastery accurately and fairly.”

        https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/05/16/act-says-high-school-gpas-are-rising

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