“Who Exactly Is the University of Virginia Protecting?”

Rector Robert D. Hardie

by James A. Bacon

A week ago The Jefferson Council publicly questioned the decision to withhold publication of the investigation into the University’s failure to prevent the Nov. 13, 2022, mass shooting. We were particularly perplexed by who made the decision to delay release of the report until after the trial of the defendant, Christopher Jones. The decision, announced by Rector Robert D. Hardie and President Jim Ryan, apparently was made without the approval of the Board of Visitors. (See “Will the Public Ever Get to See the Mass Shooting Report?”)

Now, as reported by The Daily Progress, others are asking questions.

The Daily Progress leads with the question, “Who exactly is the University of Virginia protecting?”

The newspaper quotes John Fishwick, former U.S. attorney for the Western District of Virginia: “Whenever you have a public university with such a tragic event, it’s important for the public to know what happened. I think they should release it immediately.”

“Are they hiding something? I don’t know,” Michael Haggard, an attorney for the families of the victims, told The Daily Progress. “But I know one way you can stop the speculation on it: Release it to the families like you promised.”

The University’s story has changed over time.

“We were told it’s going to be released to the university first and then the university will release it to the families before they go public,” Haggard said.

Attorney General Jason Miyares, who outsourced the inquiry to the Quinn Immanuel law firm, sent the final report to UVa on Oct. 20. Then, reports The Daily Progress:

Instead of making it public, UVa said it would not release the report until early November, claiming it was “reviewing the report to ensure factual accuracy.”

But midway through the month, the university pivoted, announcing it would hold the report until after the conclusion of Jones’ criminal trial, which could take years….

Previously, UVa denied a public-records request from The Daily Progress. It argued the report was exempt under the Freedom of Information Act due to “attorney-client privilege” and because the report contains “scholastic records” and “operational plans or protocols.”

Fishwick said UVa is “hiding” behind FOIA laws and he sees little merit to the university’s newest argument.

Megan Rhyne, executive director for the Virginia Coalition for Open Government, told the newspaper she did not believe the criminal trial is a valid excuse. “I have never seen this reason be given before. Never. Who are they all trying to protect?”

The focus of the report has nothing to do with the trial, Rhyne told the newspaper. “The criminal prosecution of Christopher Jones doesn’t depend on whether or not UVa responded properly after the shooting or if UVa knew something about his mental state ahead of time.”

“It’s hard to believe that not a single bit of the report can be released and every bit of it could possibly affect the defendant’s right to a fair trial. It’s hard to swallow,” Goodman said. “It seems to me it could be released. It’s not going to affect the trial.”

We repeat what Jefferson Council President Tom Neale said in our first reporting of the delay: “What assurance do we have that the actions the University has taken to improve safety actually address the problems identified in the report? How do we know a similar breakdown won’t occur again?”

James A. Bacon is executive director of The Jefferson Council.


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69 responses to ““Who Exactly Is the University of Virginia Protecting?””

  1. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    The defendant in the criminal case can get access to it. Any plaintiffs in a civil action can get access to it. I guess there is some argument to be made that forcing them to do so through discovery, and perhaps forcing them to keep the information away from the public, holding related hearings in camera, would be within the law. Clearly the goal is to keep everybody else from seeing it. That said, legally they might get away with it. The BoV certainly could override the administration. (But I still see Miyares constrained by his role as the school’s legal counsel.)

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      From whom are they keeping it? Only 12 people plus, what, 3 alternates. Unfortunately since they’ve yet to be named then the entire population is included.

      Oh, and witnesses. Witnesses can’t get access to it.

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “The BoV certainly could override the administration….”

      Why would they? They have seen the report and one assumes they agree with the decision.

  2. UVA is protecting the upper echelon of the elites who run UVA. This is the same thing major corporations and political parties do when they have screwed something up to so badly that an explanation to the peons cannot be avoided.

    Perhaps one of the reasons they are delaying the release of the study is that they need time to finalize their decisions on which mid- to low-level officials are going to be thrown under the bus.

    Of course I suppose Mr. Jones’ attorney could try to use the study to mount an “it’s all UVA’s fault because they failed to stop my client from doing stupid and evil things” defense.

    1. I know there are facts within that would be harmful to the left. Whenever that’s true, we’re not suppose to see it. Nashville shooter’s manifesto is a case in point.

      If, however, the report was harmful to conservatives, it would be published and on the NY Times best seller list within the week.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        yeah, right……. geeze

        1. Whatever you say.

        2. Turbocohen Avatar

          yeah, left…. geeze

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    There is an obvious course of action for the Jefferson Council. Ask the Freedom of Information Advisory Council for an opinion. If the resulting opinion is to your liking, use it to try to pry the report out of UVa. If the University is still unrelenting, take it to court. The Advisory Council’s opinion is not legally binding, but it can weigh heavily.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      And be prepared to lose.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Yeah, pretty clear this report is exempted from FOIA… at least for now.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Actually, losing feeds them. It widens the conspiracy. More people, more stories.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            More sweet donations and advertising bucks… they are learning from Trump these days…

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            More sweet donations and advertising bucks… they are learning from Trump these days…

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I was thinking more Rep. Comer. Detach from reality and all things are possible.

  4. Turbocohen Avatar

    Billion dollar heads need to roll

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      They’re not doing much different than many police depts do when there is a killing… 😉

      1. And that makes it right?

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Yes. The public need to know is routinely overridden by the needs of law enforcement to investigate and prosecute crimes and conservatively so. This is right and in the best interest of us all.

          1. True enough.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            And we don’t refer to the Police as “elites”!

          3. I don’t know, I think all three members of the band probably fit into that category one way or another…

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          nope but don’t hear similar outrage when the police do it.

          This seems to be mostly about the “GET UVA” folk and in general, an
          anti institution mindset these days, not really about general
          accountability. Whenever I hear the word “elite”, I get a sense
          that it’s really about more than just “accountability”.

          Seem to be some of the same folks are also out to get UVA on a number of other issues
          related to the culture war and their hatred of UVA.

          I think there are good reasons why UVA has taken this approach, the Va
          AG is apparently recommending it.

          Here’s the thing. There is almost ALWAYS going to be a situation on
          issues like this where it will be almost impossible to conclude that UVA
          did everything it was supposed to do and they had not faults.

          The GET UVA folks are after the faults so they can add that to their
          list of things they want to use against UVA as an institution.

          That’s my view.

          1. I do not use the term “elites” very often, but those at the top of the UVA administration are most definitely in the upper echelons of the elite. And I sincerely doubt any of them will be held accountable even if serious mistakes, negligence and/or malfeasance were uncovered as part of the investigation.

            Lower level “managers” and such? Sure. After all, somebody must be held accountable. But, as I said before, this behavior is certainly not unique to UVA – politicians and large corporations do it all the time after investigations of screw-ups are completed.

            The truth is, I don’t really care enough about UVA to justify the time I have spent writing this, so I’m not sure why I did it. Maybe I’m still celebrating the butt-kicking Virginia Tech gave them in football last weekend…

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            “elites” is a pejorative in criticisms.. right? At this point, we simply don’t know and yet
            some of us have almost conspiratorial attitudes about it even before we know.

            yeah… I don’t “get” sports anymore to be honest. I guess it’s a diversion of sorts for
            some folks but it’s got it’s own issues also…. these days.

          3. but it’s got it’s own issues also…. these days.

            Indeed it does.

            My sports diversions these days are limited to Virginia Tech football, Washington Capitals hockey, Formula 1 car racing, MotoGP & Moto America motorcycle racing, and Legends League Cricket.

          4. To me, “elites” means people who, by virtue of their birth, wealth and/or level of “education” consider themselves to be better than the rest of us, and who protect and cover for themselves, and others like them, at the expense of the rest of us.

            Is that pejorative and/or conspiratorial?

  5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “But I know one way you can stop the speculation on it…”

    A pretty good summary of The Jefferson Council tactics over a wide range of topics…

  6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “The decision, announced by Rector Robert D. Hardie and President Jim Ryan, apparently was made without the approval of the Board of Visitors.”

    Why do you say this?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD).

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        I mean apparently it was made WITH the approval of the Board of Visitors. Clearly JAB is wrong here.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Yes, but victimized.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well it’s understandable, after all Rodney Dangerfield could never have been the Executive Director of the Shadow BoV of UVa…

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    It’s the result of an investigation. People were undoubtedly questioned. People who might be called to give testimony in a criminal proceeding. They don’t want to influence that testimony.

    It’s the reason witnesses are not allowed to sit in the gallery, and the police don’t release the results of their investigations before the trial.

    1. People were undoubtedly questioned. People who might be called to give testimony in a criminal proceeding.

      This is a good point, and I suspect it is the primary reason for holding back on releasing the full report at this time.

      I’m willing to wait.

      But after the guy is found not guilty by reason of mental defect, sent to a mental institution for six months, and then sent back out into society to kill again, I think the report should be released in its entirety…

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        well.. kill again after likely be able to go purchase more guns even though mentally ill ?

        If someone is incarcerated for mental illness , can they legally purchase guns after some period of time upon release or are they not legally able to forever?

        If they seek to make a private purchase is
        the seller required to check to see if the
        buyer can legally purchase?

        1. 1) Steal a gun, perhaps. Or maybe he’d use a knife.

          2) We went over this yesterday on another thread. The answer is no, they may not legally purchase a gun.

          3) Private sales require a background check in Virginia.

          Finally, for the most part, I was being facetious (see the ellipses?). However, we are talking about Charlottesville here, and Charlottesville is kind of like Never-Never Land if Never- Never Land was located between the eight and ninth circles of hell. So I guess there’s no telling what might happen at Mr. Jones’ trial.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            So I am largely ignorant and you seem to know things… and if you are so wiling, is appreciated.

            so how long after someone is incarcerated for and/or adjudicated as mentally ill – can that
            be found out on a background check?

            Does it stay that way until they are declared no longer mentally ill and the background
            check is updated with removal so that guns can once again be purchased?

            (the killer in Maine got guns after being reported as mentally ill? ).. was that a difference in
            the way that Maine laws work or the issues involved in making an “official” determination
            of mental illness that then makes it’s way onto the background check database?

            3. – so if someone kills with a gun purchased in a private sale and no background check
            was consulted, can the seller be charged ?

          2. I honestly do not know if someone who has been adjudicate as “mentally defective” can ever have that expunged from their record. However, this is a more-or-less free country, so I would think there is some way a person can apply to be adjudicated as no longer mentally defective.

            Being reported as mentally ill is different from being adjudicated mentally ill. And therein lies the rub as far as keeping guns out of the hands of dangerously mentally ill people while honoring due process.

            so if someone kills with a gun purchased in a private sale and no background check was consulted, can the seller be charged ?

            Yes. Even if no crime is committed with the gun, the seller can still be prosecuted. Selling a gun privately to an other person without having a background heck performed is a Class 1 misdemeanor. It’s a Class 6 felony if a licensed dealer does it.

            If the purchaser subsequently commits a murder or other crime with the gun, I do not think further criminal action can be taken against the seller, although a creative CA might be able to come up with something. However, the civil liability for the seller would likely be devastating.

          3. I honestly do not know if someone who has been adjudicate as “mentally defective” can ever have that expunged from their record. However, this is a more-or-less free country, so I would think there is some way a person can apply to be adjudicated as no longer mentally defective.

            Being reported as mentally ill is different from being adjudicated mentally ill. And therein lies the rub as far as keeping guns out of the hands of dangerously mentally ill people while honoring due process.

            so if someone kills with a gun purchased in a private sale and no background check was consulted, can the seller be charged ?

            Yes. Even if no crime is committed with the gun, the seller can still be prosecuted. Selling a gun privately to an other person without having a background heck performed is a Class 1 misdemeanor. It’s a Class 6 felony if a licensed dealer does it.

            If the purchaser subsequently commits a murder or other crime with the gun, I do not think further criminal action can be taken against the seller, although a creative CA might be able to come up with something. However, the civil liability for the seller would likely be devastating.

          4. I honestly do not know if someone who has been adjudicate as “mentally defective” can ever have that expunged from their record. However, this is a more-or-less free country, so I would think there is some way a person can apply to be adjudicated as no longer mentally defective.

            Being reported as mentally ill is different from being adjudicated mentally ill. And therein lies the rub as far as keeping guns out of the hands of dangerously mentally ill people while honoring due process.

            so if someone kills with a gun purchased in a private sale and no background check was consulted, can the seller be charged ?

            Yes. Even if no crime is committed with the gun, the seller can still be prosecuted. Selling a gun privately to an other person without having a background heck performed is a Class 1 misdemeanor. It’s a Class 6 felony if a licensed dealer does it.

            If the purchaser subsequently commits a murder or other crime with the gun, I do not think further criminal action can be taken against the seller, although a creative CA might be able to come up with something. However, the civil liability for the seller would likely be devastating.

          5. I honestly do not know if someone who has been adjudicate as “mentally defective” can ever have that expunged from their record. However, this is a more-or-less free country, so I would think there is some way a person can apply to be adjudicated as no longer mentally defective.

            Being reported as mentally ill is different from being adjudicated mentally ill. And therein lies the rub as far as keeping guns out of the hands of dangerously mentally ill people while honoring due process.

            so if someone kills with a gun purchased in a private sale and no background check was consulted, can the seller be charged ?

            Yes. Even if no crime is committed with the gun, the seller can still be prosecuted. Selling a gun privately to an other person without having a background check performed is a Class 1 misdemeanor. It’s a Class 6 felony if a licensed dealer does it.

            If the purchaser subsequently commits a murder or other crime with the gun, I do not think further criminal action can be taken against the seller, although a creative CA might be able to come up with something. However, the civil liability for the seller would likely be devastating.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            thank you! seriously!

          7. You are quite welcome.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Well, aside from the highly optimistic outlook that he can be fixed, let alone in 6 months, there’s always the happy ending that someday the police will be called to his family home, and after refusing to drop the toilet plunger, he will go down in a hail of gunfire.

        Oh, wait. Forgot a word. “…go down in a righteous hail of gunfire.”

        Can’t leave the PD hanging with a civil rights violation.

        1. You have a vivid imagination. I like it.

          😉

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            All I know is what I read in the news… that and what the elephant tells me after eating ‘shrooms.

          2. You should always heed the elephant’s advice. He is rarely wrong.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I have a friend with Parkinson’s. I keep hoping someone would try psilocybin and/or psilocin. I cannot imagine that some rewiring would not be beneficial. It’s a long goodbye.

          4. I am truly sorry. That is an awful way to die.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            News flash, Parkinson’s won’t kill you. However, it opens the door for what will.

            In my friend’s case, it’s going to be Alzheimer’s disease or some dementia that just started a couple of years ago. It’s tough. At first you get angry with them for not being the person who you befriended. After a while you just make friends every time you get together.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            re: ” Parkinson’s won’t kill you. However, it opens the door for what will.”

            it’s what does in most folks when they get older…

            difference is the length of time one is sick and compromised.. and those
            who have those terrible diseases are by far more vulnerable and potentially affected,

            As we all get older, at some point one thing or another often does the deed.

          7. News flash, Parkinson’s won’t kill you. However, it opens the door for what will.

            I think I probably knew that already but just forgot. You know what I meant, though, right?.

            Alzheimer’s sucks, too.

            I would consider going out in a [very] high speed and spectacularly fiery car or motorcycle crash before the symptoms got too bad, if I ever got either of those diagnoses.

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Not me. Too fastidious about my surroundings to leave a mess. Jackson Pollock spray cones are not to my liking. This fentanyl stuff seems more my speed.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar

            yeah but, when you croak you lose control of orifices that leak out… no?

          10. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Depends.

          11. LarrytheG Avatar

            geeze… I backed right into that one…

          12. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Is there any other way?

          13. LarrytheG Avatar

            to do it? sure… the question is do you want someone to see you physically after?

          14. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            No, to put on Depends.

          15. LarrytheG Avatar

            Well… SOMEONE … WILL
            have to deal with the mess no matter what…

            I guess you could use a marker and write on them “sorry about that”…

          16. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The coroner. It’s his job. Does it every day; some days more than once. Of course, one could take steps first, Ex-Lax for example.

          17. LarrytheG Avatar

            do what you’d do for a colonoscopy times 2

            but even then stuff leaks out and you’ll leave a mess that has to be cleaned up.

      3. LarrytheG Avatar

        For any institution to provide a safeguarded environment , it’s often
        a trade-off of cost versus risk.

        Judgements are made. Sometimes they
        are not perfect and/or they did not account for all risks.

        I think that is especially true for a
        mentally ill person running amok
        in a building or on a campus.

        If the rule becomes that every the institution has to provide a safe environment even with respect to a mentally ill person running amok – the resulting “lock down” would not only be very expensive but the freedom of others would be seriously impacted.

        it’s a tradeoff IMO.

        The “guilt” is associated with making a judgement with regard to what can be done vs risk.

        The benefit of the report is not to impugn as much as it is to force a
        reassessment and to motivate possible reforms -and costs – and who will pay those costs … cuz they won’t be free.

        1. Not infringing on individuals’ right to defend themselves would be a good start towards protecting them from mentally ill people running amok.

    2. People were undoubtedly questioned. People who might be called to give testimony in a criminal proceeding.

      This is a good point, and I suspect it is the primary reason for holding back on releasing the full report at this time.

      I’m willing to wait.

      But after the guy is found not guilty by reason of mental defect, sent to a mental institution for six months, and then sent back out into society to kill again, I think the report should be released in its entirety…

    3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      And Miyares clearly counseled them to not release it. Why should they be faulted for following the advice of the AG? Imagine the howlings if they didn’t.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        This is a BR, TJI dream come true. Whatever happens, whatever answers are given, it feeds them.

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