What Is the Ideal Percentage of White Kids in a School?

Fox Elementary

Many well-to-do white families in the Fan District of Richmond send their children to the neighborhood elementary school, William Fox Elementary. By many peoples’ standards, the student body would be considered “diverse.” The student body is 64% white, 18% black, eight percent Hispanic, and ten percent Asian, multiracial and other, according to SchoolDigger.com. Roughly a quarter of the students are considered economically disadvantaged.

But that’s not diverse enough for Superintendent Jason Kamras, who has thrown his support behind a school rezoning proposal that would combine the student bodies of white-majority Fox and Mary Munford elementary schools with black-majority George W. Carver Elementary and/or John B. Cary Elementary, depending on which of three options is selected.

“It’s a creative way to increase diversity and bring communities together,” Kamras told the Richmond Times-Dispatch. “It’s not perfect and there are significant implementation issues to be worked out, but I continue to believe it’s worth pursuing, as it will provide academic and social benefits to all children of all backgrounds.”

Some Fox and Munford parents have expressed concern about the proposed merger. According to The Virginia Mercury, some noted that they would no longer be able to walk their children to school; others worried that local property values might drop. Some insinuated that they would consider removing their children from Richmond public schools. On the other hand, many parents have publicly expressed their support for the change.

Kamras has no patience with the objections. In a tweet, he said, “The loudest feedback sounds eerily like Massive Resistance 2.0.” He told the Virginia Mercury: “A lot of folks are good with diversity in principle, or maybe they’re good with a little diversity. But in reality, when it hits a certain threshold, things suddenly change.”

That raises an interesting question: How diverse is diverse enough?

Kamras appears to be dissatisfied with an arrangement in which children attend schools in their neighborhood, an arrangement that has the obvious advantages of enabling students to walk to school and encouraging parental involvement. Instead, he’d prefer to spread the white children around, presumably to get a better mix. It is unclear from either the RTD article or the Virginia Mercury article what the ideal mix might be. Kamras’ comments to the Virginia Mercury reflect mainly a desire to achieve a more integrated school system as a goal in itself.

“Since our schools reflect [segregated] housing patterns, we remain a very, very segregated school system. I’m committed to doing whatever we can to reverse that,” Kamras said of Richmond.

Kamras said Fox and Cary’s geographic proximity presented an opportunity to address the [school integration] issue without too much disruption. “That is a part of the city where we actually have diversity in close proximity,” he said. “If you were to think a little bit more broadly about those school zones, you could end up with two schools that are roughly 50-50.”

The Virginia Mercury quotes Genevieve Siegel-Hawley, a Virginia Commonwealth University professor and an author of a 2013 UCLA Civil Rights report, as saying that more integrated schools can improve graduation and dropout rates and help students become more comfortable with different types of people. Desegregated schools often retain more experienced teachers and can get more students into college and then into well-paying jobs, she wrote.

Kamras agreed, noting diverse schools often have higher SAT scores and student satisfaction. “There’s a whole host of benefits to integrated, diverse schools,” he said. “On top of that, this is a city which has a diverse population, so it is a shame to not have schools that reflect that.”

Spreading around the white students also means spreading around the resources that the parents of white students bring to bear. The RTD article provides this quote from a parent:

“You should be able to walk into any school in RPS no matter the location or demographics and find the same resources, parent involvement, active PTA, after-school activities, academic performance and so on,” said Jenny Aghomo, a parent in the city and one of the leaders of the parent group supporting the idea. “As parents, this should be important to us for the sake of our children’s future.”

Bacon’s bottom line:

Everyone wants to provide the best education possible to all students, of whatever background, with the resources we have available. The question is how best to achieve that goal. The problem isn’t that Fox and Mary Munford are segregated — they aren’t. They are integrated schools. Rather, Kamras contends that optimizing racial ratios can improve academic achievement for all.

No evidence is presented on what the optimum racial ratio is. Kamras suggests that 50/50 ratio would be good, but he offers no data to support that over any other ratio.

Here’s how I interpret this movement. Richmond City Schools massively under-perform peer school districts. Attempts to reform the schools have led to repeated frustration. Richmond educators have run out of ideas. Steeped in the ideology of diversity, they desperately hope that changing the racial mix of schools will improve academic achievement.

Here’s my concern: Richmond educators are misdiagnosing the problem as insufficient diversity, the racist implication of which is that black children are incapable of learning without exposure to white children. By chasing the diversity phantasm they will ignore the real problems in pedagogy and discipline that need to be addressed. I predict that the rezoning will accomplish nothing for academic achievement. Indeed, it may set back the goal of diversity if white parents yank their children from Richmond public schools so they can attend schools where they will not be subject to the latest intellectual fashions of social engineers.

But, as always, I am willing to acknowledge my fallibility. I could be wrong. Perhaps Kamras is on to something. At the very least, if Richmond schools adopt Kamras’ plan, the district should track the results. Will the children at the affected schools see improved SOL pass rates? If they do, then skeptics like me will learn something valuable. If not, perhaps the social engineers will learn a little humility.


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17 responses to “What Is the Ideal Percentage of White Kids in a School?”

  1. Anonymous3444 Avatar
    Anonymous3444

    “If not, perhaps the social engineers will learn a little humility.”

    Oh, my goodness, thank you for this! It’s a gray overcast morning here in NoVa and I really needed a good laugh to pick me up. This sure did it for me.

  2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Sounds like busing redux. I wonder whether the reaction might be different this time or whether it’s “Deja vux all over again.”

  3. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    Busing 2.0. Why not? It worked so well the first time.

    73% of the rising freshman students at Thomas Jefferson magnet school are Asian. Why? That’s how the entrance exam test scores played out. Would Jason Kamras see that as problem need to be solved? Or is it only the white kids who need to be spread around.

    Cranky has brilliantly documented the disgraceful fiasco that is the Richmond Public School system. Now, this is the answer?

    Given the cheating on tests and horrible results why does Kamras still have a job? Is he new to the position?

    1. Yes, Kamras is new, and he did respond forcefully to the cheating situation, which arose before he took charge. It will take a few years of achieving no results — or negative results — before he gets thrown out.

    2. Busing 2.0…. Yeah, that’s pretty much it. School officials are cleverly avoiding that term. They’re calling it a “rezoning” of school districts. And Kamras uses the word “diversity” rather than “integration.”

      There has been absolutely no conversation — at least none that has appeared in the press accounts I’ve read — about tracking SOL scores to see if the social experiment brings about the promised improvement to educational achievement.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Wake County, NC (and Raleigh), the 2nd or 3rd largest school division in the country, has a version of this with predictable concerns from parents.

    The problem is not “diversity” of the “good” schools – it’s the LACK of diversity for the not-so-good schools – most often, neighborhood schools for economically poor neighborhoods – and predominately black.

    The “problem” is that those schools typically do not get the same level of resources as the other schools – starting with the instructors which invariably are newbies with little training and experience to deal with the harder-to-teach kids of parents with poor educations and incomes. No veteran teacher is going to willingly be assigned to one of these schools and likely be scapegoated when the school invariably gets into academic trouble.

    So, it’s EASY to be CRITICAL but for the critics here – what would you do to deal with the poor neighborhood school problem?

    How would you deal with these schools with high concentrations of poor kids who cannot get “help” from their own poorly-educated parents?

    Yes, it is a HARD problem but walking away from it with excuses and blaming others for their “bad” solutions is a cop out also.

    Remember, these kids grow up to need all manner of entitlements and tax benefits like the earned income credit, and all of us pay to fund these entitlements.

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      Larry, how many times do we need to go through this? Poor schools, Title 1 schools, get additional federal funding and, in Virginia, additional state money. So within the same school division, taxpayers provide more-not less-resources to educate poor children, irrespective of their race. But in today’s world, whatever the taxpayers spend is just not enough.

    2. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      “How would you deal with these schools with high concentrations of poor kids who cannot get “help” from their own poorly-educated parents?”

      As TMT correctly responds … the differential money is being spent, especially here in Fairfax County. Elsewhere too. DC spends more per pupil than any state. Yet DC is routinely ranked in the bottom 10 of the 50 states + DC.

      You say the bad schools don’t get enough “resources”. I assume this is a pseudonym for money. I don’t think that’s true Larry. DC spends $350,000 per pupil from K-12. If they spent $500,000 do you think the outcomes would be vastly different?

      https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/high-public-school-spending-dc-hasnt-produced-desired-outcomes

      1. wonderbread Avatar
        wonderbread

        Worth mentioning that these analyses only count financial governmental spending, and don’t incorporate the thousands of dollars spent on band instruments, sports, robots, and other enrichments by wealthy parents or their corporate connections, and the additional thousands of dollars worth of in kind hours donated by same parents to run plays, programs, sports, and generally support the various awesome things that make a school great. Not sure even massive increases in spending will close that gap, but it belongs on the ledger.

        For Cary/Fox there’s a decent size church in Cary town, way closer to Cary than Fox. Crucially though, a good number of parents had kids at Fox but not Cary, and so followed the church’s volunteer efforts. The ratio question is the right one… At what point does the “goodness” get so diluted that instead of one good and one bad school, you just get two bad schools? Cary and Fox seemed like a smart, thoughtful pairing, but Mumford/Carver and more recently Holton/Ginter Park have a more slapdash feel.

        1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
          TooManyTaxes

          In Fairfax County, every school has access to the same programs (sports, orchestra, band, drama) that all other schools in its class have (Elementary, Middle & High Schools). When my kids played school sports or engaged in other activities (orchestra) with other schools, I saw parents from other schools, including ones from lower-income parts of the county, attending as well. The idea that every low-income parent doesn’t care about his/her kids and doesn’t support their schools is simply false.

          Moreover, businesses in Fairfax County put their time and money into lower-income schools not ones in more affluent areas.

          But at some point, a kid that gets no support at home has a harder row to hoe. And higher and higher taxes won’t fix that.
          But

    3. Inthemiddle Avatar
      Inthemiddle

      How to deal with the poor neighborhood school problem?

      First step is to recognize that not all poor neighborhood schools have the problem and to understand what they do differently. See Thomas Sowell’s essay ‘The Education of Minority Children”. https://www.tsowell.com/speducat.html

      Second step is to recognize that students who do not have support at home, perhaps because the parents are busy working two jobs or because they have limited education themselves, need different resources than students who do. Redistricting schools does nothing to provide those resources.

      Third step is to recommit to basic behavioral norms in school –
      * Respect your the teachers
      * Come to school prepared and ready to learn
      * Work hard at learning
      * Do not tolerate disruptive behavior

  5. Good points.

  6. Is this where Richmond schools are heading? From the New York Post:

    “Every school in the city should be engineered to match the exact racial mix of the city, and there should be no sorting by academic ability, an education panel handpicked by Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza said yesterday.”

  7. Inthemiddle Avatar
    Inthemiddle

    Superintendent Kamras does not go far enough in establishing the correct proportional representation of ethnic groups in schools. After all, if the kids simply sticks with their own group, how will they learn the value of diversity?

    The next step is to require every lunch table to have its correct proportion of representatives of each ethnic group in the school.

    1. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      Unfortunately, the one kid who immigrated from Poland has to eat lunch at a different table every day.

      1. Inthemiddle Avatar
        Inthemiddle

        Then everyone in school will learn how to say –
        W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie a Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie że chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.
        (In Szczebrzeszyn a beetle buzzes in the reed, for which Szczebrzeszyn is famous)

  8. This post is on point. If “optimizing ratios” is the goal (as it seems to be re: Fox & Munford) how is RPS going to apply this logic across all schools with 3000 white children in a district of 25,000 kids?

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