What is a Good School, How is One Measured and How do Poor Schools Improve?

by James C. Sherlock

I wrote yesterday about the dumpster fires that were Fredericksburg Public Schools during and immediately after the pandemic.

They completely fell apart.

It is not clear how and whether the children, with whose well being, development and education those schools and their parents were charged, will ever recover from the experience.

Under current practice in Virginia, the school board in Fredericksburg will need to decide on the future of its superintendent.  The citizens will decide whether they need a new school board.

But there are proven forensic approaches to determine what happened and, more importantly, to understand how to prevent it from happening again.

The obvious next question is what the state can do about failing schools.  School boards are made virtually independent actors by Virginia’s constitution.

But the Board of Education has levers of control.  The Department of Education has money.  And the board has constitutional control over the qualifications and professional licenses of the superintendents and the endorsements that allow persons to become principals.

I propose that the Board use that authority and funding to recognize and financially reward leaders successful in improving poor performing schools and remove the credentials of principals and superintendents proven unable to do so.

If that second part sounds harsh, so are the problems.

The question then is how to define success and failure and how to measure them?

And, ideally, how do we spot pending failure so corrective actions can be taken before the children and teachers go down with the ship.

Licensing and endorsement.  To make the point about the levers, there will be a meeting today of the Board of Education to vote on giving a superintendent’s license to a controversial candidate put forward by the school board of Spotsylvania County.

The Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star has editorialized against his licensure.  We’ll see what happens.

But the state power to grant a license includes the power to take it away.  While licensing activities must make sure they do not raise First Amendment issues, the licensing of actions not commonly associated with expression is given little, if any, First Amendment scrutiny.

The standards for granting and rescinding a license must measurably advance the goals of the state in granting it.  Thus the question of how does the state determine its goals and make sure that its licensing criteria advance those goals must be examined.

Ed schools rule – superintendents division. The presentation before today’s Board of Education meeting handily lists the current criteria found in 8VAC20-23-630. Division Superintendent License.

The four options for being a candidate for a superintendent license are written with the ed schools at the front of the line.

Option 1. With a doctorate degree in educational administration or educational leadership from a regionally accredited college or university, the candidate requires five years of educational experience, two years of which shall have been as a “successful” teacher, and two years of which shall be in administration and supervision at the preK-12 level.

The two years of administration/supervision are not noted as needing to have been “successful”.

 Option 2.  By contrast with the first option, a candidate with a Masters Degree and 30 graduate semester hours beyond the masters degree must have “demonstrated competencies” in 41 enumerated areas of endeavor.

Forty-one.  That means to me that Virginia has not been able to coherently define success, much less the measures that are predictive of success.  We need a better system.

There is no indication anywhere that the required competencies have been validated as necessary for and predictive of a successful school superintendent.  They appear, frankly, to be a punch list developed from an ed school catalog.

No one can “demonstrate” competencies in those subjective and apparently random standards.  Option 2 is clearly a penalty box for those candidates unwise enough not to have paid an ed school for a doctoral degree in order to skip them.

Option 3 says never mind any of that if the candidate is licensed as a superintendent in another state.

Option 4, the one on which the Spotsylvania candidate is being judged today, requires a masters degree of any sort and “a minimum three years of successful (that word again), full-time experience in a senior leadership position, such as chief executive officer or senior military officer”. And he or she must be recommended by a Virginia School Board who wishes to hire that candidate.

Principals division.  The regulation for an endorsement for administration and supervision preK-12, the ticket principals and AP’s need, is based nearly entirely on education credentials and “successful” teaching experience.

It even has a option for an endorsement that no one else need recognize.  See Level I, Option II: “Alternate route to Level I administration and supervision preK-12 endorsement restricted to the Virginia school division in which the superintendent submitted the recommendation for endorsement.”

There are no provisions for renewing a principal’s endorsement, but no reason that such an endorsement cannot be removed for poor performance in office.

Can scientific surveys recognize impending failure?  How do the Board of Education, school boards and principals measure failure, and even more importantly, impending failure.

The military, even when I was in it right after the earth cooled, has had command climate surveys for a very long time.  I served at a time before we had women on ships, so a lot of the command climate measures have been updated for that necessary change.   But the measurements were there.

But nobody got to make a survey of their favorite questions and task the 2500 officers and men in my air wing to fill it out.

They were scientifically arrived at.  And acted upon, including removing commanders.

The science in organizational climate surveys is crucial to measure what the organization wants from the survey. They were created by the Navy to measure the ability of the command to meet military objectives.  And yes, there were HR-type questions.  Important ones.

The scientists involved in survey design are forensic psychologists and statisticians.

National standards for surveys that identify the climate of schools.  The Department of Education has has compiled a list of valid and reliable school climate survey batteries to support states, districts and schools.

One of them, Authoritative School Climate Survey, was developed in Virginia by scientists from UVa over more than a decade with the participation of every Virginia public high school and middle school in the state.

The “authoritative school’ model was named in reference to the authoritative parent theory first proposed by Diane Baumrind in 1966.  Authoritative schools feature strict but fair rules for children, high expectations and loving support. Authoritarian schools are missing the support part.

The extensive research conducted by UVa that yielded the authoritative school climate survey and its associated theory was paid for by grants over two decades from both the Department of Justice and the Department of Education.

The constructs of that survey include:

Students – Disciplinary structure; Academic expectations; Student support (respect for students, willingness to seek help); Student engagement (affective, cognitive); Prevalence of teasing and bullying; Bullying victimization; General victimization; Aggressive attitudes; Positive values (personal conviction, concern for others)

Staff and Teachers – Disciplinary structure (fairness, justness); Student support (respect for students, willingness to seek help); Student engagement (affective, cognitive); Prevalence of teasing and bullying

The one page research summaries here are useful.

The items in the survey and the survey itself were tested and replicated here and overseas and shown to be predictive of school – meaning teacher and student – success measured multiple ways, including equity.

We will explore the Authoritative School Climate Survey and its associated theory more in a follow-on article.

Virginia school climate and safety surveys.  Most divisions run good school systems.  Most of Virginia’s schools are good ones.

But there are divisions and individual schools that are failing and have failed for a long time.

No one can claim in the face of the educational disasters in Fredericksburg and other school divisions across the state and individual school failures in otherwise successful divisions that the school climate survey system is working as it should.

Some of these are longstanding issues at the school board and superintendent level that have rendered some divisions impervious to improvement.  The state cannot fix the school board issues without a constitutional amendment.

But if school climate and safety surveys cannot be and are not used to make corrections, what are they for?

If there are no rewards for success and consequences for failure, we are not doing it right.

The state has four steps it can take:

  1. Define operational success in public schools that address the interests of teachers, students and parents;
  2. Ask the right questions in surveys scientifically validated so that the answers are indicative of strength or weakness; and
  3. Act upon the results. Set the criteria for the licensing of superintendents and the endorsement of principals and APs to match school success criteria.  Provide two different types of state support to improvements in addition to Title I money.
    1. Provide major state bonuses – say $100,000 each for superintendents and $50,000 each for principals – to leaders that measurably improve poor performing schools.
    2. take negative actions against the licenses of superintendents and the endorsements of principals that simply cannot or will not lead their schools to reach a minimum standard of performance that also must be set.

The Virginia School Survey of Climate and Working Conditions does not employ the authoritative school climate survey developed and proven in Virginia.  And VDOE and the Board of Education, from the evidence of existing “Model Policies,” did not buy in to the authoritative school model that it supports.

We will look later at why, and why it matters.

 


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48 responses to “What is a Good School, How is One Measured and How do Poor Schools Improve?”

  1. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Before we set our hearts too much on anything, let us examine how happy are those who already possess it. -Francois, duc de La Rochefoucauld, moralist (15 Sep 1613-1680)

  2. If we have a database on ‘poor performing’ police officers – shouldn’t we also have one for ‘poor performing’ educators?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Where is the database for poor performing police officers?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          You probably did not mean “database”, right?

          removing police officers for ” 146 Virginia police officers decertified, new law expands to include excessive force and lying”

          teachers, principals and superintendents can also be removed for those behaviors, no?

          but is the State the appropriate investigative authority for these things?

          Beyond that, do we have “standards” for police depts for metrics like arrests, complaints, etc… where the State looks at these things then decides to “remove” a police chief for substandard “performance”?

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          You probably did not mean “database”, right?

          removing police officers for ” 146 Virginia police officers decertified, new law expands to include excessive force and lying”

          teachers, principals and superintendents can also be removed for those behaviors, no?

          but is the State the appropriate investigative authority for these things?

          Beyond that, do we have “standards” for police depts for metrics like arrests, complaints, etc… where the State looks at these things then decides to “remove” a police chief for substandard “performance”?

        3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Yes, I am well aware of the new provisions dealing with decertifications. I had a recent article on this blog about it. “Poor performing” police officers is not synonymous with decertified.

          If you are equating “poor performing educators” with those whose licenses or certifications have been revoked, that information is likely available from DOE just as the list of decertified police officers is available from DCJS.

  3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “I propose that the Board use that authority and funding to recognize and financially reward leaders successful in improving poor performing schools and remove the credentials of principals and superintendents proven unable to do so.”

    What about leaders of well performing schools…??

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      A job well done is reward enough.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    We want the State to essentially hire and fire school principals and school district superintendents with the justification that the State knows how to successfully operate schools?

    I’d like to see that legislative proposal from Youngkin.

    Talk about your top-down bureaucracy!

    methinks some Conservatives strongly lean autocratic!

  5. From the various licensure options it appears they are more formalities than professional standards, and are designed to ratify local superintendent choices.

    That certainly fits with the conservative Virginia way that tries to put authority locally as close to the people as possible. With most school boards elected, and funding mostly by boards of supervisors/city councils our schools are models of how Virginia likes to do things. Arguably F’burg, Richmond, Falls Church, C’ville and all the other school districts in the state have the school systems they have chosen.

    It seems a good argument that the state provides localities standardized measures to help them understand their relative performance, and that the localities choose what they care to achieve. Measures are things like SOLs and statistical comparisons like graduation rates, chronic absentees and expenditures per pupil.

    What makes us outsiders so arrogant that we think we should place our judgements above the choices that local citizens have made for their communities?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Or, we could pay better. Even with their local voter-chosen standards, ya only get whatcha pay fer.

      Well, at least it gives more applicants from which to choose.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Or, we could pay better. Even with their local voter-chosen standards, ya only get whatcha pay fer.

      Well, at least it gives more applicants from which to choose.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Because a lot of kids are getting screwed – measurably. Many school systems, nominally for the students, are in fact run by and for the adults.

      1. It’s the cry of liberals everywhere. We know what’s good for you better than you ignorant slobs do. Imagine, school systems run by adults. Whoda thunk it?

      2. What do you want, school systems run by the kids? How’s that worked in Richmond?

  6. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I agree with your general contention that school superintendents and principals need to be held accountable for the results of their schools and systems.

    While it is true that the BOE can revoke licensure for “Other good and just cause in the best interest of the public schools of the Commonwealth of Virginia,” one needs to be very careful about using this justification lest it become a political weapon.

    I find it fascinating that the organizational climate survey for schools that you set up as an example was developed by the institution that has drawn a great deal of your ire: the University of Virginia School of Education and Human Development. The major developer of that instrument is Dewey Cornell, whose bio on the school’s website identifies him as a Professor of Education and holder of the Virgil Ward Chair of Education. The bio goes on to say of Dr. Cornell, “A major emphasis in his work is the elimination of racial inequities in school discipline and educational outcomes.” A desire to eliminate racial inequities has been enough to earn condemnation of individuals and organizations on this website, even for those who were formerly favored. See https://www.baconsrebellion.com/college-equity-and-the-student-pipeline-problem/

    It seems to be true that the school survey now being used in Virginia is not the UVa Authoritative Survey. That is a result of the DCJS and DOE combining two surveys that were required by statute, in order to reduce the paperwork burden on schools ( which I thought was a desirable thing to do). I look forward to your future posts on how the new survey is not as effective as the former one and how VDOE and the BOE do not buy into the authoritative school model.

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I agree with your general contention that school superintendents and principals need to be held accountable for the results of their schools and systems.

    While it is true that the BOE can revoke licensure for “Other good and just cause in the best interest of the public schools of the Commonwealth of Virginia,” one needs to be very careful about using this justification lest it become a political weapon.

    I find it fascinating that the organizational climate survey for schools that you set up as an example was developed by the institution that has drawn a great deal of your ire: the University of Virginia School of Education and Human Development. The major developer of that instrument is Dewey Cornell, whose bio on the school’s website identifies him as a Professor of Education and holder of the Virgil Ward Chair of Education. The bio goes on to say of Dr. Cornell, “A major emphasis in his work is the elimination of racial inequities in school discipline and educational outcomes.” A desire to eliminate racial inequities has been enough to earn condemnation of individuals and organizations on this website, even for those who were formerly favored. See https://www.baconsrebellion.com/college-equity-and-the-student-pipeline-problem/

    It seems to be true that the school survey now being used in Virginia is not the UVa Authoritative Survey. That is a result of the DCJS and DOE combining two surveys that were required by statute, in order to reduce the paperwork burden on schools ( which I thought was a desirable thing to do). I look forward to your future posts on how the new survey is not as effective as the former one and how VDOE and the BOE do not buy into the authoritative school model.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Up late. There is a clarity in the early hours darkness, eh?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Blessed are the watchkeepers who hold sobriety in the night.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            morning people and ………

    2. I agree with your general contention that school superintendents and principals need to be held accountable for the results of their schools and systems.

      They are, by the school boards that hire them and the boards of supervisors/city councilmen who mostly pay them.

      The licensure requirements listed in the post are a laughingstock. They advocate that education for superintendents is nice as long as it does not conflict with what a locality wants.

      This is clearly arranged the way Virginia likes it. Move decisions as close to the people as possible and let them have at it.

    3. I agree with your general contention that school superintendents and principals need to be held accountable for the results of their schools and systems.

      They are, by the school boards that hire them and the boards of supervisors/city councilmen who mostly pay them.

      The licensure requirements listed in the post are a laughingstock. They advocate that education for superintendents is nice as long as it does not conflict with what a locality wants.

      This is clearly arranged the way Virginia likes it. Move decisions as close to the people as possible and let them have at it.

  8. Education is Darwinian. Thus there will always be bad schools and good schools. When ability falls along an S-curve, then there is nothing that can be done to make all students above average. At least, schools can work to improve the academic learning of all student knowing that some students will achieve more.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      The problem is that reading and math scores do not fall along an S-curve when race and economic disadvantage are considered. So, unless one wants to contend that kids of a certain race or he economically disadvantaged are inherently below average, the S curve analogy does not work.

      Or to use the Darwinian analogy, unless one wants to contend that all kids start out life on an equal plane and, with the exception of those born with medical or mental handicaps, all have an equal chance in the Darwinian world of education and that those that achieve the most are the ones with the most ability (the “strongest”), then that doesn’t work either.

      1. Once again, someone implies, indirectly, that all kids can learn calculus and it is just poverty or racism that is holding them back. One can tell immediately that such a person has never tried to teach math to anyone. Some people have a talent for learning foreign languages, math, or music. The school’s job should be the identify those students who are good at subjects and accelerate them and motivate them. However, the idea that everyone can learn calculus or Latin or music theory means that schools have to ignore talent, ability, parental support, or drive and focus on the worst students.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          No one is contending that everyone can learn calculus. I am a prime example of that.

          But every kid, who does not have a mental impairment, should be able to read at grade level. And that is not the case.

          1. Implying everyone can read at the 12th grade level eventually is exactly the same as implying that everyone can learn calculus. It is detail of the statistical distribution of ability and performance in education.

          2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            And those who do not pass the reading tests at grades 3 and on up do not fit a normal statistical distribution, if one takes race or economic disadvantage into account.

          3. As has been pointed out many times, the children of blue collar non-college educated white parents score better on the SAT test than the children of black white-collar college educated parents. Race and class do not account for everything unless one wants to argue race/ethnicity also includes culture and inclination.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        but if you take race and other demographic factors out of it and make it pure kids / human beings, different ones will perform differently for a lot of different reasons and not all of them will end up “above average”.

        To a certain extent NCLB – No child left behind proffered a connotation that some might misunderstand ..

        ….. along the analogy like:

        “If VDOT did their job right, there would be no congestion, traffic accidents or potholes” – zero.

        or “If the police did their job right, there would be no crime, bad cops or unpunished criminals” – zero.

        Sherlock advocates a “standard” of sorts for public education but I’m not sure what it is.

        And it appears he has no such standard at all for voucher schools.

  9. DJRippert Avatar

    A 28,000 person city that is not within a county with a ban on annexation. Only in Virginia. Literally, only in Virginia.

    How many times do we have to watch our undersized cities not within counties fail before we start to ask whether our unique structure of independent cities is working?

    There are only three independent cities outside Virginia – St Louis, Baltimore and Carson City. While I don’t know much about Carson City I’d say that St Louis and Baltimore are hardly urban success stories.

    Fredericksburg should be within Spotsylvania County and the county should take over the Fredricksburg schools.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      So a question for you on “independent cities”.

      In other states, we have metro areas that have multiple cities within them.

      Like Houston, which is Harris County but Houston is not one city but an amalgamation of several.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b817faad7ad49766e18dd8c9db8ad4e95549592987ecaa043086b09058800f5f.jpg

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a785367ee08c7e3ea2dc4cdda37964841172eba4ba11f14053294c8f83994fb6.jpg

      so one of the city/towns within Harris County is Katy and Katy has a school district:

      https://www.katyisd.org/

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        Houston is 640 sq mi. Much bigger than Fairfax County (391 sq mi). Other than the counties that became cities in Virginia (e.g. Virginia Beach), the biggest city is Newport News at 68 sq mi. 18 of Virginia’s independent cities are 10 sq mi. or smaller.

        Fredricksburg is 10 sq mi with a population of 28,000 for a density of 2,800 per sq mi. That a lower density than Fairfax County. Meanwhile, the median household income for Fredricksburg is $34,585 per year while the median household income for Spotsylvania County is $90,915 per year.

        Many of Virginia’s little independent cities are islands of poverty surrounded by oceans of affluence. They are too small to thrive, they can’t depend on the surrounding county for help and they aren’t allowed to annex any of the county’s land.

        They ought revert to being towns.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          See my comment elsewhere in this stream.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          When you say “Houston” are you referring to “Greater Houston”?

          Isn’t Houston ONE of a number of cities that are in Harris County?

          And those cities are “independent” enough to have their own schools and police dept even though they are part of Harris County.

          I presume they have their own boundaries and taxing ability to support their schools and police depts.

          So I simply do not understand why the way that Harris County and it’s cities work differ from say Fredericksburg with it’s own schools and police separate from Spotsylvania.

          what’s the significant distinction?

          Does Harris County have some control over the cities inside of it’s boundaries ?

      2. DJRippert Avatar

        Houston is 640 sq mi. Much bigger than Fairfax County (391 sq mi). Other than the counties that became cities in Virginia (e.g. Virginia Beach), the biggest city is Newport News at 68 sq mi. 18 of Virginia’s independent cities are 10 sq mi. or smaller.

        Fredricksburg is 10 sq mi with a population of 28,000 for a density of 2,800 per sq mi. That a lower density than Fairfax County. Meanwhile, the median household income for Fredricksburg is $34,585 per year while the median household income for Spotsylvania County is $90,915 per year.

        Many of Virginia’s little independent cities are islands of poverty surrounded by oceans of affluence. They are too small to thrive, they can’t depend on the surrounding county for help and they aren’t allowed to annex any of the county’s land.

        They ought revert to being towns.

    2. Nice argument but… Falls Church is a small city, population about 15k, and it has the best schools in the state. Go figure.

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        Falls Church is not a real city. It is can’t be distinguished from the surrounding Fairfax County. If you took away the “Welcome to Falls Church” signs nobody could tell where Falls Church began and Fairfax County ended. Falls Church became independent of Fairfax County in 1948. It was not a settlement that grew into a city. It was part of a county that decided (recently in historical terms) to become independent.

        I’d bet that there are numerous other areas within today’s Fairfax and Loudoun Counties that could separate from the county and have extremely high ranking schools. That separation would not make them cities in any real sense.

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          This could be a description of Manassas Park–which became independent of Prince William County in 1976.

          Difference is that the schools in Manassas Park aren’t very good.

        2. Everyone in Falls Church can and does clearly distinguish it from Fairfax county. If you took away the signs you couldn’t tell where Richmond ends and Henrico begins either. So your point is?

          The church on the road to the falls (great) it is named after was established in 1734. The settlement itself dates back to the 1600s. You can put that “It was not a settlement” nonsense where the sun don’t shine.

          Incorporation as a city was largely because of school systems. Fairfax County at the time sucked. There was never any doubt that we were far better off in Falls Church schools than Fairfax. Fairfax and Loudoun schools have undoubtedly gotten much better. When Falls Church incorporated and established its own school system they were both hick systems. Falls Church was head and shoulders better and remains superior to the county systems today.

          You have a long standing dislike for the way Virginia’s City and County governments are set up. There are undoubtedly some examples that are consistent with your opinion. Falls Church ain’t one of them and never has been.

          That gets us back to my original rejection of your clearly fallacious argument that Virginia’s small cities are “too small to thrive”. Straining to disqualify Falls Church as not being a “real city” to make your argument is laughable. Pull the other one it’s got bells on.

          https://www.fallschurchva.gov/758/About-Falls-Church

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Virginia law provides for this to happen. Cities and counties can merge. That has happened in several instances, especially in Tidewater. Also, cities can revert to towns. Three cities–South Boston, Bedford, and Clifton Forge–have reverted to town status. Martinsville was the latest to attempt to revert, but there have been some obstacles. Martinsville and Henry County agree to a voluntary reversion last year. Before it could be finalized by the courts, the General Assembly stepped in, passing legislation requiring that a reversion be subject to approval in a referendum held in the city this fall. The legislation was submitted at the request of a large bloc of city residents, who contended that their wishes had not been recognized by the city council. Martinsville’s population is majority Black and, listening to the debate on the bills, it was obvious that many residents do not want to give up control of the city school system. They are concerned that the city high school would be closed in the event of a reversion. In effect, they value the political autonomy that being a city gives them.

  10. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    “But if school climate and safety surveys cannot be and are not used to make corrections, what are they for?”

    Oh my, you could ask that question for a great many things that schools do. Did you check all the boxes? If so, you have satisfied the requirements. Worry about results at the next steering committee meeting.

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