What if COVID-19 Never Goes Away?

by James A. Bacon

Here’s a question my wife and I have been asking ourselves recently: What if COVID-19 doesn’t go away?

From the beginning of the epidemic, we assumed that we (along with the rest of the country) were enduring a temporary inconvenience. We’d hunker down, restrict our social interactions, wear masks in indoor public places, avoid airplanes, and the like, and in a few months — by the end of the year at latest — it would be over and we could return to normal.

Now it is August, and the virus is spreading with no sign of respite. Our thinking has swung to the other extreme. We’re wondering, what if nothing works? What if the much-touted vaccinations are only partially effective? What if antibodies confer only temporary immunity? What if the virus mutates? What if all our efforts at “flattening the curve” do nothing but delay the inevitable and everyone — including us, and those we love — gets exposed to COVID-19 eventually?

Will there ever be a return to “normal”? And, if not, how long can we sustain the partial shutdown of our economy, the shuttering of public school buildings, the gusher of government red ink, and the helicoptering of relief dollars, all of which were predicated on the assumption that the virus would be tamed and all emergency responses would be temporary?

Over the past four months, we have learned much about the virus — but huge unknowns make life as uncertain as ever.

On the positive side, (1) we have a much clearer idea of how the virus is transmitted, (2) we have a better understanding of to reduce the risk of transmission, and, perhaps most important of all, (3) we are getting better at treating the virus. The death rate from COVID-19 has declined significantly, and will likely continue to decline as new therapies are introduced and as front-line doctors gain more experience. If we get the virus, as most of us probably will eventually, we will enjoy better odds of surviving it.

Other positive developments: We have surmounted the logistical shock of the early days. No longer are masks, gloves, hand sanitizer, ventilators and other equipment in short supply. Also, we have ramped up our testing capacity, and upgraded our contact-tracing capabilities.

On the negative side, there is still room for improvement. If someone could come up with a “spit test” that yielded instant results, everyone could fine-tune their behavior to reduce the risk of transmission. But no such test exists. Furthermore, testing backlogs of a week or more are helpful only in measuring the prevalence of the disease, not in altering our behavior on an as-needed basis.

There has been much discussion of the potential for a given population to reach “herd immunity.” Once enough people have been infected, recovered, and developed resistance or immunity to the virus — a percentage widely said to be about 70% — the spread of the virus will slow dramatically. It may not disappear entirely, but it will cease to be a public health threat. In theory, development of a vaccine will help us reach that herd immunity.

My big question is how effective the vaccines will be. One clue may come from comparing the effectiveness of flu vaccines. States the Centers for Disease Control, “Recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine.”

Presumably, there will be a good match between COVID-19 and a vaccine designed specifically to combat COVID-19. Let’s say, for purposes of discussion, that the COVID-19 vaccine is 80% effective. What will that change? Will we suddenly say, oh, there’s only 20% of the risk there was before, therefore we can end the shutdowns and return to normal? Or will we say, holy moly, there’s still a 20% chance of getting the virus, being hospitalized, and dying! We have to hunker down forever! More importantly, what will the media and political class say? Would the introduction of an 80%-effective vaccine be sufficient to induce governors and school boards to reopen schools? Would college administrators reopen their campuses? Would restaurants reopen at full capacity? Would hotels reopen meeting rooms and conference halls again?

Another uncertainty is how fast the virus mutates. Preliminary evidence suggests that COVID-19 is evolving, but slowly. However, at least one mutation, the so-called D614G mutation, has made the virus more infectious. Back in mid-June,  researchers had identified had identified some 14 virus variants. There is widespread hope that a vaccine will be effective against all known variants as well as new variants that might arise in the future. But we won’t know for certain until we introduce the vaccines.

Of greater concern is how long resistance/immunity to COVID-19 lasts. The immune system has a terrible memory for flu viruses, and the immune response lasts only a year, according to sources I have read. If that’s the case with COVID-19 — and we don’t know one way or the other — humans may never develop lasting herd immunity. Everyone will be to get vaccine shots every year. But what if the vaccine has negative side-effects? What if there is widespread resistance to the vaccine? What if half the population never gets vaccinated?

I have no answers. But I don’t get the sense that our political leaders are even asking the questions, much less seeking answers. Their time horizon extends no farther than next month. I question whether our current policies are appropriate for world in which COVID-19 never goes away. We cannot hobble our economy, our schools, our colleges, and other institutions forever. We cannot continue borrowing multiple trillions of dollars a year to keep the system going. We have to find a sustainable response.

President Trump’s it’s-all-going-to-get-better platitudes are not helpful. Cable TV’s apocalyptic hair-on-fire hysteria is not helpful. Those of us who are not invested in political polarization need to think things through.


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82 responses to “What if COVID-19 Never Goes Away?”

  1. Some say the world will end in fire,
    Some say in ice.
    From what I’ve tasted of desire
    I hold with those who favor fire.
    But if it had to perish twice,
    I think I know enough of hate
    To say that for destruction ice
    Is also great
    And would suffice.

    Robert Frost

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Either way, it will be with a whimper and not a bang.

  2. Some say the world will end in fire,
    Some say in ice.
    From what I’ve tasted of desire
    I hold with those who favor fire.
    But if it had to perish twice,
    I think I know enough of hate
    To say that for destruction ice
    Is also great
    And would suffice.

    Robert Frost

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Either way, it will be with a whimper and not a bang.

  3. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    I don’t know, Jim. What if you never go away?

    1. idiocracy Avatar
      idiocracy

      I realize that all you baby boomers think you’ll live forever….but you won’t.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Prove it. I’ll watch.

        1. idiocracy Avatar
          idiocracy

          The latest medical research is showing that everyone who contracts COVID-19 will die within 100 years.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Damn, 99 and a half to go.

  4. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    I don’t know, Jim. What if you never go away?

    1. idiocracy Avatar
      idiocracy

      I realize that all you baby boomers think you’ll live forever….but you won’t.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Prove it. I’ll watch.

        1. idiocracy Avatar
          idiocracy

          The latest medical research is showing that everyone who contracts COVID-19 will die within 100 years.

  5. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    The hysteria over this illness will continue exactly as long as it is politically useful. The actual changes in our lives? That will vary from place to place. They will all eventually be discarded as (as JB points out) we can’t actually afford any of this nonsense, and we will all eventually adopt the “Swedish solution”. But that will take time because we won’t be doing it together or with our leaders leading.

    You will have seen that already when officials and official experts made clear that the virus presented no obstacle to attending the _correct_ protests. After that, there just doesn’t seem to be much point in pretending that the official responses are driven by any of the important and pressing questions JB raises here. They are driven by ignorance and expediency, which is actually quite comforting. That’s not so different, after all, than anything else in the politics of our nation or of Virginia.

  6. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    The hysteria over this illness will continue exactly as long as it is politically useful. The actual changes in our lives? That will vary from place to place. They will all eventually be discarded as (as JB points out) we can’t actually afford any of this nonsense, and we will all eventually adopt the “Swedish solution”. But that will take time because we won’t be doing it together or with our leaders leading.

    You will have seen that already when officials and official experts made clear that the virus presented no obstacle to attending the _correct_ protests. After that, there just doesn’t seem to be much point in pretending that the official responses are driven by any of the important and pressing questions JB raises here. They are driven by ignorance and expediency, which is actually quite comforting. That’s not so different, after all, than anything else in the politics of our nation or of Virginia.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    We are already making adjustments to it and dialing in what needs to change and some of it actually is accelerating existing trends that were going to happen anyhow.

    And really, it’s not that we CAN’T change, it’s that we don’t want to but sometimes you have to – and this may well be one of those times.

    We whine big time – incessantly, about this and worse – we do it in a partisan way – what a bunch of brats and crybabies!

  8. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    We are already making adjustments to it and dialing in what needs to change and some of it actually is accelerating existing trends that were going to happen anyhow.

    And really, it’s not that we CAN’T change, it’s that we don’t want to but sometimes you have to – and this may well be one of those times.

    We whine big time – incessantly, about this and worse – we do it in a partisan way – what a bunch of brats and crybabies!

  9. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I think you should count it being here… forever. The real questions are how we adapt and what are any long term effects of having been infected.

    But going away? No chance.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Forever is a very long time, I hear, but certainly through the next couple of decades. But between a vaccine, effective treatments and growing herd immunity, Nancy will eventually let Kerry go back to her favorite beach restaurants mask-free. Likewise my grandsons to school. I hold with the idea that things will get much more rational November 4, at least on this front.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        You know, it’s entirely possible that COV2 will become the number one cause of death for those over 70. “Prostate cancer? No worries, Mate. It takes 10+ years to progress. COV2 will get you long before that.”

        I wish Kerry would go to a crowded restaurant in the tourist area too.

        1. Rowinguy Avatar

          What makes you think she hasn’t done that already? And unmasked?

  10. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I think you should count it being here… forever. The real questions are how we adapt and what are any long term effects of having been infected.

    But going away? No chance.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Forever is a very long time, I hear, but certainly through the next couple of decades. But between a vaccine, effective treatments and growing herd immunity, Nancy will eventually let Kerry go back to her favorite beach restaurants mask-free. Likewise my grandsons to school. I hold with the idea that things will get much more rational November 4, at least on this front.

  11. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Sure. But what if Trump refuses to leave?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Admit it, that would make your day. You’d have so much fun with that. Truth is, neither side is accepting the result at first blush. Bush v Gore replicated in a half dozen or more states. Your side was so stunned four years ago you looked under every bed you could find for Russkies….But in 2016 you ran Crooked Wife of Philandering Bill, who called us all deplorable, and now you’ve got a candidate who can barely walk and chew gum. In 2016 and perhaps in 2020, you guys blew this! We’ll see….

      Nancy, I suspect that’s sort of right, and five years from now COVID will continue to appear on many death certificates, but also seldom by itself. A cause of death, but not the cause of death…just like flu and pneumonia now.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Well.. that pretty much sums up the one side, eh?

        😉

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Dammit man, stop agreeing with me! You’ll ruin my reputation for being “mostly wrong”. I must have that reputation because I keep hearing people say, “There’s something not quite right with him.”

  12. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Sure. But what if Trump refuses to leave?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Admit it, that would make your day. You’d have so much fun with that. Truth is, neither side is accepting the result at first blush. Bush v Gore replicated in a half dozen or more states. Your side was so stunned four years ago you looked under every bed you could find for Russkies….But in 2016 you ran Crooked Wife of Philandering Bill, who called us all deplorable, and now you’ve got a candidate who can barely walk and chew gum. In 2016 and perhaps in 2020, you guys blew this! We’ll see….

      Nancy, I suspect that’s sort of right, and five years from now COVID will continue to appear on many death certificates, but also seldom by itself. A cause of death, but not the cause of death…just like flu and pneumonia now.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Dammit man, stop agreeing with me! You’ll ruin my reputation for being “mostly wrong”. I must have that reputation because I keep hearing people say, “There’s something not quite right with him.”

  13. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Steve says regarding the leftists and their man Joe Biden: “and now you’ve got a candidate who can barely walk and chew gum.”

    I’d amend that to:
    “and now you’ve got a candidate who can barely walk, talk, OR chew gum.”

  14. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Steve says regarding the leftists and their man Joe Biden: “and now you’ve got a candidate who can barely walk and chew gum.”

    I’d amend that to:
    “and now you’ve got a candidate who can barely walk, talk, OR chew gum.”

  15. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Steve says: “five years from now COVID will continue to appear on many death certificates, but also seldom by itself. A cause of death, but not the cause of death…just like flu and pneumonia now.”

    Likely that is a wise and informed comment. Nature most always tries to find a way to cull the herd, its weak and vulnerable, so as to protect the herd (the public good), and its environment, and so that the inevitable collapse is not an apocalypse.

    Here we are madly trying to thwart nature’s wisdom, and thus surely we will bring about our own self induced apocalypse.

  16. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Steve says: “five years from now COVID will continue to appear on many death certificates, but also seldom by itself. A cause of death, but not the cause of death…just like flu and pneumonia now.”

    Likely that is a wise and informed comment. Nature most always tries to find a way to cull the herd, its weak and vulnerable, so as to protect the herd (the public good), and its environment, and so that the inevitable collapse is not an apocalypse.

    Here we are madly trying to thwart nature’s wisdom, and thus surely we will bring about our own self induced apocalypse.

  17. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    Viruses are like Democratic socialist politicians – ruthless but stupid. They show up, do a lot of damage but ultimately, in their zeal to conquer the world, mutate one time too many and kill themselves off.

    The better question is whether this coronavirus might mutate into a deadlier form before it self-destructs. That’s what happened with the Spanish flu. Of the four waves the second was by far the worst.

    1. “The better question is whether this coronavirus might mutate into a deadlier form before it self-destructs. That’s what happened with the Spanish flu.”

      …and Hillary Clinton.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Perhaps – but when folks who identify as GOP and Conservative refer to the POTUS as the “current occupant” – and say we had to choose between them all over again – knowing what we know now?

        😉

        So just call Joe B – Hillary LITE? 😉

        1. Perhaps? What do you mean perhaps?

          Hillary Clinton mutated from a governor’s wife to a president’s wife.
          Then she mutated from a president’s wife to a U.S. Senator.
          Then she mutated from U.S. Senator to Secretary of State.
          Finally, she self-destructed while trying to mutate into the President of the United States.

          Of the four waves the third was the most deadly.

          It’s an almost perfect analogy to the Spanish flu – and it has nothing to do with who would vote for whom if the election were repeated. The fact is she self-destructed during the 2016 presidential campaign.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Would you use the word “mutate” to describe other politicians careers especially those who got more votes in the election than her opponent?

          2. Larry –

            Yes. I use words like mutate, infest, and infect quite a lot when talking about politicians.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            All politicians regardless of affiliation or just some?

          4. Most. And affiliation does not matter.

            I won’t try to provide a complete list of the politicians I wish would just shut up and go away, but over the years I have met/known/dealt with a few that I think are okay:

            Ed Scott, Sam Nixon, Edd Houck, Onsley Ware, Lee Ware, Chris Saxman, George Allen, to name a few. I’m sure I could think of some others.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Chap Peterson?

          6. Yes. I am embarrassed to have left him off my list.

            And Joe May, also.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            “Macaca ” ? 😉

          8. Yeah, whatever.

            He’s still a better man than our current governor.

          9. …and either of our U.S. Senators.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Father of abolishing parole, truth in sentencing and the SOLs?

          11. Like I said, he’s a better man than our current governor.

  18. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    Viruses are like Democratic socialist politicians – ruthless but stupid. They show up, do a lot of damage but ultimately, in their zeal to conquer the world, mutate one time too many and kill themselves off.

    The better question is whether this coronavirus might mutate into a deadlier form before it self-destructs. That’s what happened with the Spanish flu. Of the four waves the second was by far the worst.

    1. “The better question is whether this coronavirus might mutate into a deadlier form before it self-destructs. That’s what happened with the Spanish flu.”

      …and Hillary Clinton.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Perhaps – but when folks who identify as GOP and Conservative refer to the POTUS as the “current occupant” – and say we had to choose between them all over again – knowing what we know now?

        😉

        So just call Joe B – Hillary LITE? 😉

  19. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Biologically speaking we aren’t really built to live much past the time our teeth would rot out (without dentristry) or our gonads wither.
    In some regards we are very lucky that most of us “cheat” death at rates far beyond any other animal. This like other viruses and bugs will be here forever and will be at least a factor in some deaths. And like other viruses and bugs we will need to be realtively careful (like wearing a condom or not eating candy off the ground) to mitigate our risk. Eventually we will all have to decide our risk tolerance for this just like any other pathogen. Like it was said before things like pneumonia kill a lot of people due to other underlying health isssues that grow exponentially as we age.
    I’m fine not living forever… not looking to be an ass and forcing my demise either so I mitigate my risks.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Interesting. In my case, it’s the say cause.

  20. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Biologically speaking we aren’t really built to live much past the time our teeth would rot out (without dentristry) or our gonads wither.
    In some regards we are very lucky that most of us “cheat” death at rates far beyond any other animal. This like other viruses and bugs will be here forever and will be at least a factor in some deaths. And like other viruses and bugs we will need to be realtively careful (like wearing a condom or not eating candy off the ground) to mitigate our risk. Eventually we will all have to decide our risk tolerance for this just like any other pathogen. Like it was said before things like pneumonia kill a lot of people due to other underlying health isssues that grow exponentially as we age.
    I’m fine not living forever… not looking to be an ass and forcing my demise either so I mitigate my risks.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Interesting. In my case, it’s the say cause.

  21. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    sorta mulling this over…. ” ruthless but stupid”

  22. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    sorta mulling this over…. ” ruthless but stupid”

  23. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Haner. It WOULD make day. I would l0ve to see my country saved from this madman. Nothing to “admit.” Go ahead! Use it against me! But admit. This is also YOUR view. Ha ha. Don’t be such a gutless wimp.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      You remember Kent Jenkins? Married the lovely Eugenia….Still out there somewhere, I presume. His rule was always vote for good copy. I think we get good copy whichever way this election goes.

  24. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Haner. It WOULD make day. I would l0ve to see my country saved from this madman. Nothing to “admit.” Go ahead! Use it against me! But admit. This is also YOUR view. Ha ha. Don’t be such a gutless wimp.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      You remember Kent Jenkins? Married the lovely Eugenia….Still out there somewhere, I presume. His rule was always vote for good copy. I think we get good copy whichever way this election goes.

  25. I think the original question, Jim, is a good one. And it doesn’t help reassure any of us to give a cute or sarcastic non-answer. There are real answers.

    “What if it never goes away?” Every respiratory infection out there poses this problem. Some are more infectious (i.e., transmissible) than others; some pose greater health risks from infection than others; some are more skewed in the demographic they hit hardest than others. The study of this is called epidemiology. But it does not require an epidemiologist to understand the basics, here, as applied to Covid-19:
    ⦁ This is a corona-virus, which is not uncommon in nature. Most replicate only in other species but this one, which appears in the wild in bats, somehow crossed over to humans and has spread widely since. There are other corona-viruses out there and this is not the first to cross over to humans (e.g., SARS); no conspiracy theory is required to explain this.
    ⦁ This virus infects young people but does not often make them very sick. It’s likely (though not yet certain) that becoming sick with it when young makes a person immune for life, or at least likely to have a milder bout if it recurs. That means, if it persists it will become primarily a childhood disease.
    ⦁ Most elderly will have had the disease as children, and the risk to the elderly from the disease will become like the risk from adult chicken pox: just as high as it is today if you somehow never had the disease as a child, but, adult cases will be few and far between.
    ⦁ This end-state will not be “herd immunity” — because, worldwide, Covid-19 will continue to circulate widely among children and re-expose their parents — but that will result in self-innoculation and prevention thereafter for nearly all adults.
    ⦁ IF an effective vaccine is developed, most of our already-adult population with no antibodies for the disease will need the vaccine. That does not mean the vaccine will be widely used in future, or around the world where vaccines are a luxury, if most of those who grow up exposed to it as children are unharmed by it then and protected thereafter. If it turns out that re-exposure is required to maintain protection then booster shots will be necessary.
    ⦁ The risk of harm from the disease may also be dramatically reduced if we learn better treatments for the symptoms affecting the minority of cases which become serious. Progress is currently being made in understanding how Covid-19 triggers immune responses in some individuals, primarily older adults, which do more damage than good. We need a better understanding in order to treat these covid-induced over-reactions; but from that, we may also learn a great deal about how to treat other life-threatening diseases involving the immune system, including various cancers and auto-immune diseases. There are grounds for optimism, here.
    ⦁ Pending both a vaccine and better treatment of symptoms, the best course of action is the use of face masks and social distancing, accompanied by widespread testing, tracing and isolation as necessary, to minimize the spread of this disease. As countries like Sweden illustrate, deliberately choosing to let it spread to the point of “herd immunity” entails unacceptable risk of death to older adults along the way.

    It makes me angry, Jim, to hear the drumbeat of opposition to this common-sense understanding of where we are. Those who undermine measures to prevent the spread of Covid-19 do not just hurt themselves; they endanger you and me, too. You have to admit, some of their nonchalance is “anti-science” bias, but even more of it these days is politically-motivated, social-media-fostered, wishful thinking. Readers of this blog should know better. As you say, “Those of us who are not invested in political polarization need to think things through.”

    1. “And it doesn’t help reassure any of us to give a cute or sarcastic non-answer.”

      It helps me. Seriously, it does – and I think it helps others also. Engaging in “cute”, absurd, sarcastic, facetious and truth be told, quite often juvenile, humor helps me relieve the pressure and stress I have been feeling during the recent crises.

      With that said, I am sorry if I have offended you in any way with my wise-cracks. It certainly was not intentional.

      Rest assured that I do wear a mask as advised by the experts, I do practice social distancing to the greatest extent possible and I do take this virus seriously. I just don’t think we need to BE so serious about it all the time.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        re: ” I just don’t think we need to BE so serious about it all the time.”

        BUT we have other folks who say the same – i.e. “don’t need to be so serious” that refuse to wear masks and socially distant.

        The talk the same talk… AND they say it’s an individual decision.. thus supporting those who won’t wear masks…and socially distant.

        Is that a rational position given the reality of the virus that actually convinces individuals to use masks at the same time they defend others right to not to?

      2. No offense taken, WayneS — that was a broader reference to, e.g., Kerry D.’s snark, which I find particularly unhelpful to discourse as well as my frame of mind.

  26. I think the original question, Jim, is a good one. And it doesn’t help reassure any of us to give a cute or sarcastic non-answer. There are real answers.

    “What if it never goes away?” Every respiratory infection out there poses this problem. Some are more infectious (i.e., transmissible) than others; some pose greater health risks from infection than others; some are more skewed in the demographic they hit hardest than others. The study of this is called epidemiology. But it does not require an epidemiologist to understand the basics, here, as applied to Covid-19:
    ⦁ This is a corona-virus, which is not uncommon in nature. Most replicate only in other species but this one, which appears in the wild in bats, somehow crossed over to humans and has spread widely since. There are other corona-viruses out there and this is not the first to cross over to humans (e.g., SARS); no conspiracy theory is required to explain this.
    ⦁ This virus infects young people but does not often make them very sick. It’s likely (though not yet certain) that becoming sick with it when young makes a person immune for life, or at least likely to have a milder bout if it recurs. That means, if it persists it will become primarily a childhood disease.
    ⦁ Most elderly will have had the disease as children, and the risk to the elderly from the disease will become like the risk from adult chicken pox: just as high as it is today if you somehow never had the disease as a child, but, adult cases will be few and far between.
    ⦁ This end-state will not be “herd immunity” — because, worldwide, Covid-19 will continue to circulate widely among children and re-expose their parents — but that will result in self-innoculation and prevention thereafter for nearly all adults.
    ⦁ IF an effective vaccine is developed, most of our already-adult population with no antibodies for the disease will need the vaccine. That does not mean the vaccine will be widely used in future, or around the world where vaccines are a luxury, if most of those who grow up exposed to it as children are unharmed by it then and protected thereafter. If it turns out that re-exposure is required to maintain protection then booster shots will be necessary.
    ⦁ The risk of harm from the disease may also be dramatically reduced if we learn better treatments for the symptoms affecting the minority of cases which become serious. Progress is currently being made in understanding how Covid-19 triggers immune responses in some individuals, primarily older adults, which do more damage than good. We need a better understanding in order to treat these covid-induced over-reactions; but from that, we may also learn a great deal about how to treat other life-threatening diseases involving the immune system, including various cancers and auto-immune diseases. There are grounds for optimism, here.
    ⦁ Pending both a vaccine and better treatment of symptoms, the best course of action is the use of face masks and social distancing, accompanied by widespread testing, tracing and isolation as necessary, to minimize the spread of this disease. As countries like Sweden illustrate, deliberately choosing to let it spread to the point of “herd immunity” entails unacceptable risk of death to older adults along the way.

    It makes me angry, Jim, to hear the drumbeat of opposition to this common-sense understanding of where we are. Those who undermine measures to prevent the spread of Covid-19 do not just hurt themselves; they endanger you and me, too. You have to admit, some of their nonchalance is “anti-science” bias, but even more of it these days is politically-motivated, social-media-fostered, wishful thinking. Readers of this blog should know better. As you say, “Those of us who are not invested in political polarization need to think things through.”

    1. “And it doesn’t help reassure any of us to give a cute or sarcastic non-answer.”

      It helps me. Seriously, it does – and I think it helps others also. Engaging in “cute”, absurd, sarcastic, facetious and truth be told, quite often juvenile, humor helps me relieve the pressure and stress I have been feeling during the recent crises.

      With that said, I am sorry if I have offended you in any way with my wise-cracks. It certainly was not intentional.

      Rest assured that I do wear a mask as advised by the experts, I do practice social distancing to the greatest extent possible and I do take this virus seriously. I just don’t think we need to BE so serious about it all the time.

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        LarrytheG

        re: ” I just don’t think we need to BE so serious about it all the time.”

        BUT we have other folks who say the same – i.e. “don’t need to be so serious” that refuse to wear masks and socially distant.

        The talk the same talk… AND they say it’s an individual decision.. thus supporting those who won’t wear masks…and socially distant.

        Is that a rational position given the reality of the virus that actually convinces individuals to use masks at the same time they defend others right to not to?

      2. No offense taken, WayneS — that was a broader reference to, e.g., Kerry D.’s snark, which I find particularly unhelpful to discourse as well as my frame of mind.

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    LarrytheG

    We do have infectious diseases for which we have no vaccines AND we have infectious diseases that we do have vaccines for and people won’t get the vaccines then we have others who say it is their “right” to not take precautions to limit spread and/or they want to force others to work in unsafe conditions… because it will hurt others if they don’t risk it.

    The worst of human behaviors is on display.

    1. I agree. Nagging is one of the worst human behaviors.

  28. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    We do have infectious diseases for which we have no vaccines AND we have infectious diseases that we do have vaccines for and people won’t get the vaccines then we have others who say it is their “right” to not take precautions to limit spread and/or they want to force others to work in unsafe conditions… because it will hurt others if they don’t risk it.

    The worst of human behaviors is on display.

    1. I agree. Nagging is one of the worst human behaviors.

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    “Pending both a vaccine and better treatment of symptoms, the best course of action is the use of face masks and social distancing, accompanied by widespread testing, tracing and isolation as necessary, to minimize the spread of this disease. ”
    Pending!!! that could be forever… I’m not wearing a mask forever…
    This country needs to get back to work… borrowing a trillion dollars a month can not be sustained..

  30. Top-GUN Avatar

    “Pending both a vaccine and better treatment of symptoms, the best course of action is the use of face masks and social distancing, accompanied by widespread testing, tracing and isolation as necessary, to minimize the spread of this disease. ”
    Pending!!! that could be forever… I’m not wearing a mask forever…
    This country needs to get back to work… borrowing a trillion dollars a month can not be sustained..

  31. It is starting to get hard to see how certain COVID-vulnerable activities like band and vocal music in school and community, and churches can get back to normal. This due to the nature of the way the germ particulates spreads from the voice and presumably wind instruments.

  32. It is starting to get hard to see how certain COVID-vulnerable activities like band and vocal music in school and community, and churches can get back to normal. This due to the nature of the way the germ particulates spreads from the voice and presumably wind instruments.

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    LarrytheG

    We still really do not fully understand the full nature of COVID19. There are reports now of people testing positive then negative and then positive again. There are reports of people who have antibodies that were never sick and/or never tested positive.

    I think NN predicted some of this early on in BR.

  34. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    We still really do not fully understand the full nature of COVID19. There are reports now of people testing positive then negative and then positive again. There are reports of people who have antibodies that were never sick and/or never tested positive.

    I think NN predicted some of this early on in BR.

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