What Does UVA Need in a University President?

by James A. Bacon

For anyone following governance issues at the University of Virginia, Bill Ackman’s Twitter broadside against Harvard’s now- dethroned president Claudine Gay and its governing board is must reading. Ackman, the hedge-fund manager-turned-activist who spearheaded Gay’s overthrow, identifies serious systemic problems at Harvard, from its ponderous DEI bureaucracy to a tuition policy that prices out the middle class.

Every one of the pathologies he describes at Harvard plays out at UVA (although, one can argue, in diluted form). Little of this is new to readers of The Jefferson Council blog, for we have been documenting the problems for two years. But Ackman raises one point that we have not considered: what qualifications should a governing board look for in a university president?

The question might seem academic, but UVa President Jim Ryan is surely feeling nervous these days. As dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education before ascending to his position at UVA, he is a product of the same hyper-progressive Harvard culture as Gay. And Liz Magill, the University of Pennsylvania president who was sacked after her abysmal testimony before Congress, was Ryan’s hand-picked provost for UVa before she moved on to the Ivy League. Ryan is less politically tone deaf, to be sure. He is popular among UVA students and faculty, and he has said all the right things regarding free speech and institutional neutrality. No one in authority has publicly called for his resignation. Even The Jefferson Council, as critical as it has been of UVA under Ryan’s tenure, has taken no position on whether he should stay or go.

Nevertheless, it is worth asking the question, in light of the presidential de-fenestrations at Harvard and Penn: what should an elite university look for in a president?

Here’s what Ackman has to say:

I would suggest that universities should broaden their searches to include capable business people for the role of president, as a university president requires more business skills than can be gleaned from even the most successful academic career with its hundreds of peer reviewed papers and many books. Universities have a Dean of the Faculty and a bureaucracy to oversee the faculty and academic environment of the university. It therefore does not make sense that the university president has to come through the ranks of academia, with a skill set unprepared for university management.

The president’s job – managing thousands of employees, overseeing a $50 billion endowment, raising money, managing expenses, capital allocation, real estate acquisition, disposition, and construction, and reputation management – are responsibilities that few career academics are capable of executing. Broadening the recruitment of candidates to include top business executives would also create more opportunities for diverse talent for the office of the university president.

Furthermore, Harvard is a massive business that has been mismanaged for a long time. The cost structure of the University is out of control due in large part to the fact that the administration has grown without bounds.

UVA is a $4 billion institution, with an academic division (which we normally think of as the university) and a health system, each of which generates roughly $2 billion in revenue. Ryan is only the latest in a long line of UVA presidents with no expertise whatsoever in managing health systems. Governor Glenn Youngkin has appointed two board members — Douglas Wetmore and Stephen Long — with healthcare backgrounds; Attorney General Jason Miyares also appointed, as university counsel, Cliff Iler, who  has legal expertise in health-systems. Whether that is sufficient to provide useful guidance to UVA’s health enterprise, which faces intense pressure to grow in order to achieve economies of scale, is an open question.

UVa is also in the hospitality industry. It owns the Boar’s Head Inn, the Birdwood Golf Course, and the Forum Hotel at the Darden School. The university develops real estate to accommodate its growing research and academic functions. And, of course, the university manages major auxiliary business enterprises such as dormitories, food plans, and an athletic program.

It may or may not be fair to accuse UVa of being “mismanaged” from a business perspective. It is one of only two public universities in the country with a AAA bond rating. However, Virginia’s auditors of public accounts have identified material misstatements in the health-system finances and, most recently, it was revealed that the McIntire School of Business was operating at a previously unrecognized loss.

There is abundant anecdotal evidence that UVA has engaged in a massive administrative hiring spree, most notably in the creation of a sprawling DEI bureaucracy. However, UVA data suggest that total employee head count has not increased much in recent years. It is worth digging into the numbers to see how employees are counted. UVA has engaged in significant outsourcing. Has head count remained stable only because it has off-loaded lower-level employees from the books through outsourcing as rapidly as it has hired more highly paid administrators? Or has UVA found genuine efficiencies that have allowed it to shrink staff over here while adding to it over there? A more assertive Board of Visitors may be able to find out.

It is difficult for alumni and other outsiders to appraise the job Ryan is doing because we don’t know what he is incentivized to do. His employment contract is public record, but the criteria used to award him a significant bonus are not. (We tried to obtain this information through the Freedom of Information Act but were denied). He has excelled as a fundraiser — UVa is close to surpassing its $5 billion fundraising campaign goals way ahead of schedule — and that may be what he is being rewarded for. Is he being rewarded for achieving DEI goals? We don’t know. For boosting research funding? We don’t know. For controlling costs and holding down tuition?

We just don’t know.

James A. Bacon is executive director of the Jefferson Council. This column was published originally in the Jefferson Council blog.


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65 responses to “What Does UVA Need in a University President?”

  1. Whatever else happens, UVA should probably do something about its School of Business operating at a loss…

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Press-gangs.

      Hang out back of the frat house on Friday night, and when a fine arts, history, or journalism major stumbles out, club ‘em senseless. By the time they come to, they’re 3 semesters deep into a business degree.

      It’s a win-win. Shoe stores need managers and they’ll pay off their student debts three years earlier.

  2. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    UVa is not an elite university. Very good? Yes. Excellent? Maybe. Elite? No.

    Unlike in Lake Woebegone, an elite university should be among the Top 10 in the US. Maybe the Top 15. UVa makes neither cut.

    As for a role model for university presidents – I’d suggest Mitch Daniels, former Republican governor of Indiana and president of Perdue University.

    Here is an NPR interview with Daniels:

    https://www.npr.org/2022/09/06/1121201296/purdues-reputation-for-affordability-results-in-substantial-growth-for-the-schoo

    Other than his apparent lack of concern about skyrocketing costs to attend UVa, Jim Ryan seems to be doing a good job.

    However, he’s no Mitch Daniels.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Mitch is a Government bureaucrat right? Not a businessman?

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        He was a senior executive at Eli Lilly for quite a while.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          If UVA is covering all costs for kids with less than 100K … what exactly is the “cost” issue really about?

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          That qualifies Youngkin, so?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            they’re doing it without state aid or tuition money.

            purely from endowment money.

    2. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      ASA HUTCHINSON. The man has a freaking brain. He’s a pragmatist and knows how government works. Business types are FOREVER coming into government, breaking things, and then declaring government inept. Asa is not that. Businessmen(and women, notably unmentioned) are generally inept at operating the levers of government. Government was not and is not designed to operate by fiat but by consent and consensus. That’s a hard landing for wannabe dictators.

    3. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      ASA HUTCHINSON. The man has a freaking brain. He’s a pragmatist and knows how government works. Business types are FOREVER coming into government, breaking things, and then declaring government inept. Asa is not that. Businessmen(and women, notably unmentioned) are generally inept at operating the levers of government. Government was not and is not designed to operate by fiat but by consent and consensus. That’s a hard landing for wannabe dictators.

    4. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      ASA HUTCHINSON. The man has a freaking brain. He’s a pragmatist and knows how government works. Business types are FOREVER coming into government, breaking things, and then declaring government inept. Asa is not that. Businessmen(and women, notably unmentioned) are generally inept at operating the levers of government. Government was not and is not designed to operate by fiat but by consent and consensus. That’s a hard landing for wannabe dictators.

    5. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      ASA HUTCHINSON. The man has a freaking brain. He’s a pragmatist and knows how government works. Business types are FOREVER coming into government, breaking things, and then declaring government inept. Asa is not that. Businessmen(and women, notably unmentioned) are generally inept at operating the levers of government. Government was not and is not designed to operate by fiat but by consent and consensus. That’s a hard landing for wannabe dictators.

  3. Can someone creep into the cemetery and retrieve some DNA so we create a Frank Hereford clone?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “I know what you’re thinking, but the person you put up there ain’t the person that comes back. It may look like that person, but it ain’t that person. ‘Cause… whatever lives in the ground there ain’t human at all.”

  4. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
    Virginia Gentleman

    Does anyone else hear any dog whistles?

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Only the dog…

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      More like the bells at Saint Mary’s.

      1. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
        Virginia Gentleman

        “I am not saying or saying that there are dog whistles but if there were dog whistles then perhaps the author may be hinting or not hinting that the UVA President is not qualified to hold his position. But either way, if the qualifications are clearly stated and people were to better understand his background and the fact that his experience does not demonstrate that he can perform the job, then perhaps someone should or maybe they shouldn’t, question his capabilities. But, of course, the Jefferson Council has not taken a position on whether he should be fired or not. We just don’t know.”

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Ding! Dang! Ugh,… you know the rest. No reason to chance risking an auto-censor for the big bell.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          If Conservatives were in charge… “star chambers”?

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Does UVa need a politically appointed BoV?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      No University head should opine about their personal opinion nor should they decide on their own what the view of the institution is which in my mind is the purview of the governing board. And that Board can choose to have no public view.

      It’s a fools errand….

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Never stopped some from writing articles around here. They’re errand boys.

    2. Rafaelo Avatar

      And for that matter WHY does U Va need a President?

      Jefferson didn’t have one. The faculty managed the university.

      Oh. That’s why.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        To protect the faculty from scurrilous RWN attacks such as those here. Sacrificial zincs, so to speak.

  6. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    The short answer is leadership. Leadership in promoting the culture that should define the university. Leadership in attracting the type of scholars who carry out the type of research that also defines the university and finally excellence in managing a large business while also promoring the search for knowledge, openness in intellectual inquiry, and open discourse..

  7. Lefty665 Avatar

    Good questions on what UVa needs as exec, and amazing that terms of Ryan’s compensation are not public information.

    The material multiple year defects revealed by audit and their relationship to UVa management are real. Ryan can delegate the authority to act, but he cannot delegate responsibility for the actions, or lack thereof.

    Audits revealed that UVa did not have personnel competent to accurately
    represent UVa’s financial position, and that the uncorrected material
    defects spanned multiple years.

    The BR posts on UVa audits last year contained much detail and good information. They are worth reviewing as they relate to the question of what qualities are needed in a CEO.

  8. Carter Melton Avatar
    Carter Melton

    I have no brief for or against Dr. Ryan.

    However, I was flabbergasted when, at the last Board meeting, he asked for Board help (in light of the recent congressional testimony from the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT) in figuring what topics he should publicly address and what he should say.

    I was a CEO for 30 years. As such I was the face of the hospital to the community and other internal and external constituencies. That is a critical piece of your job and responsibility when you occupy the corner office.

    If I ever made a similiar request to my Board they would have reconvened in the parking lot after the meeting and wondered what the hell they were paying me for.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      So the question is – are the CEO “views” those of the CEO or the entity he/she is the CEO of?

      How does a CEO determine what the views of the entity should be , beyond their own?

      1. Carter Melton Avatar
        Carter Melton

        When speaking in a public or private venue, a CEO should always preface relevant comments by stating whether he/she is speaking as an individual or on behalf of the organization.

        The views of the organization are derived from its stated values, its Board and organizational policies, and its traditions.

      2. Carter Melton Avatar
        Carter Melton

        When speaking in a public or private venue, a CEO should always preface relevant comments by stating whether he/she is speaking as an individual or on behalf of the organization.

        The views of the organization are derived from its stated values, its Board and organizational policies, and its traditions.

      3. Carter Melton Avatar
        Carter Melton

        When speaking in a public or private venue, a CEO should always preface relevant comments by stating whether he/she is speaking as an individual or on behalf of the organization.

        The views of the organization are derived from its stated values, its Board and organizational policies, and its traditions.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          As such, do they issue opinions on issues that the CEO might also be expected to comment on or are the two supposed to be the same?

          Were the CEOs of Harvard and Penn expressing their personal views or echoing the state views of their respective Boards?

          Is that what Ryan is getting at?

          1. Carter Melton Avatar
            Carter Melton

            If a CEO finds they consistently, or on major issues, disagree with the organization’s position, they are working for the wrong organization and should be looking to make a move.

            When this happens it often indicates that the Board did a poor job of selecting the CEO.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            More likely – they more or less agree on many but differ on others? perhaps like the more recent thing with Israel? Is it possible to have divergent views between the CEO and the board members and still have general concurrence on how to operate the “business”? I’m not sure on controversial issues that the CEO ought be expressing a view unless it is wholly representative of the Board and himself/herself. When a CEO of higher ed tries to “straddle” or some attempt at it… without clear board concurrence and support? Should the board have a stated view and if they do not, then the University has none because of that?

          3. Carter Melton Avatar
            Carter Melton

            Larry, Rockingham County has more Hokies per acre than than any other county in Virginia….and over the years a ton of ’em were on the Board.

            I went to VMI.

            If anyone thinks we didn’t have some intense disagreements on a personal level….sometimes with significant financial implications…well, they don’t understand some great Virginia traditions.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Yep. Got that. Question how should the opinion of an “institution” be determined and presented
            especially with regard to controversy?

            Should an opinion be voted on by the board and then that become the opinion of the institution
            that is then presented to the public? Or should the Prez/CEO just roll it himself/herself?

          5. Carter Melton Avatar
            Carter Melton

            Everyone should reserve the right to be smarter today than they were yesterday. And a savvy CEO knows when to check in with their Board…but the CEO’s job is to lead…not not play “Mother-May-I”.

          6. Carter Melton Avatar
            Carter Melton

            Larry, I’m checking out or else JB will charge us rent. Take care.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            thanks for sharing your views.

  9. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    What does it mean when a “school” in a University is operating at a loss? How is that determined/calculated?

    Is that something that is calculated for the other “schools” at a University?

    1. Randy Huffman Avatar
      Randy Huffman

      Not sure exactly what it means, but Jim wrote about it in a Jefferson Council posting a month ago linked here. The issues were raised by the Auditor of Public Accounts:

      https://thejeffersoncouncil.com/wait-what-an-operating-deficit-at-mcintire/

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        not much help… thing is… is the Business School booking revenues separate from the University and booking expenses the same way? Do the other schools at UVA also maintain such a balance sheet?

        If one is gonna drop the “loss” thing, they need to explain it IMHO.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Profit or loss is an income statement issue, rather than a balance sheet issue.

          Many private companies calculate profit and loss at the subsidiary level.

          Direct revenues are attributed to the subsidiary as well as direct costs.

          In the case of the McIntyre School, I’d assume that the tuition of the students enrolled there would be charged to the school as well as the costs of the employees working at that school.

          Then comes the fun part – allocating indirect costs.

          All of the costs not allocated to subsidiaries (or schools) are added up and redistributed to the subsidiaries (or schools) on some basis. Perhaps using the percentage of students enrolled at McIntyre vs the university as a whole to allocate McIntyre’s “fair share” of corporate overhead.

          While there can be a lot of debate regarding overhead allocations, it’s hard to understand how this resulted in a “previously unrecognized” loss.

          At least, that’s what I recall from that accounting degree (concentration) I got at the McIntyre School oh so long ago.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            We produced P&Ls (revenue & expense statements for not for profits) for customers that showed profit or loss (increase or decrease for not for profits) before allocation of overheads, and after. It was a useful statement.

            “previously unrecognized” loss is a peculiar term. Was no one paying attention, or were they due to material defects in accounting that were disclosed in audits?

            Audits revealed that UVa did not have personnel competent to accurately represent UVa’s financial position, and that the uncorrected material defects spanned multiple years.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Yep. got that. But is the same type of accounting done for all “schools” at UVA? Is that one of the distinctions between a “school” within UVA and general population UVA? Also, did you see that UVA is covering all costs for kids with families making less than 100K? https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2023/12/12/uva-expands-tuition-waiver-program-state-residents#:~:text=The%20University%20of%20Virginia%20will,president%20Jim%20Ryan%20announced%20Friday.

          3. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            Well I retired as a CPA several years ago, though worked in private industry most of my career. There are a ton of rules on how to account for everything, but in the end professional judgement has to be used in how to apply those rules in thousands of transactions, including allocations!

        2. Randy Huffman Avatar
          Randy Huffman

          So in the December article and reference to the audit report, it was said McIntire was operating at a deficit, and it needed to be addressed. In this article, he said they were operating at a loss. While I am not well versed in non profit accounting, I would concur that the phrase loss is not accurate (which is typically for profit oriented companies), and he should have phrased it as operating at a deficit. Operating at a deficit is not a good thing either, unless I guess if your the Federal Government and nobody seems to care.

          All I have done is read these two articles, and have not (and don’t plan to) delve deeper into the actual auditor reports.

  10. Teddy007 Avatar

    And how much impact does the president of a university have on the day to day operation of an university or even in the direction that it can go. How much hiring and firing authority does the president have? How much control of the budget?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      He raises money. Hosts donors. Greases palms.

    2. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      Sometimes a lot. The transformational former president of my uni made a big, big difference. He intentionally diversified the student body and faculty, placed emphasis on undergraduate teaching and ‘name’ teaching stars (taking researchers out of labs and putting them back in classrooms), recruited Nobel laureates, revived the honors experience with exclusive seminars and access to big name profs, etc., etc. etc. He is widely understood to have elevated the academic, fiscal and athletic profile of the school and created the trajectory that allowed for the current day reality. He had, I met him and used to work in the Vice-Provost’s office, a deep understanding of what students wanted and what the marketplace of ideas needed. HE LISTENED. I do not see the same renaissance approach to leadership coming from anyone recommended by the Jefferson Council. Their slice and dice/killer ethos doesn’t work in education/public service environments. In fact, they consistently do (express the intention to do) the exact opposite of what our former pres did. The results are predictably weak/sus.

    3. Dick Yowell Avatar
      Dick Yowell

      How much authority do they want?

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Is it still plagiarism if there is no billionaire complaining about it?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        “Billionaire hedge fund manager and major Harvard donor Bill Ackman seized on revelations that Harvard president Claudine Gay had plagiarized some passages in her academic work to underscore his calls for her removal following what he perceived as her mishandling of large protests against Israel’s bombardment of Gaza on Harvard’s campus.

        An analysis by Business Insider found a similar pattern of plagiarism by Ackman’s wife Neri Oxman, who became a tenured professor at MIT in 2017.”

        1. An analysis by Business Insider found a similar pattern of plagiarism by Ackman’s wife Neri Oxman

          If so, she should be investigated, and if she is a plagiarist she should be held accountable.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            And my friends always gig me when I say, “Well, let me check with the wife before I commit.”

        2. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          Major league whataboutism.
          Claudine Gay is a hack, fake intellectual, evil DEI hire and apparatchik. She should never have been hired to begin with, but for the virtue-signaling.
          If Ackman’s wife is a plagiarist, then out it! It still doesn’t make the accusations wrong, or the firing (reality of the event) wrong – it merely forced what was long overdue and never should have been necessary in the first place.

          Make virtue-signaling have a cost. UofR President next.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            No, it’s absolutism to the extreme. At worst , it’s only warning that one is leaving oneself open to a charge of hypocrisy.

            It’s also a lesson to check with the spouse before making any rash moves.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar

            Sort of like Northam and his wife’s restraint of his inclination to demonstrate the Moon walk? Good advice.

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            And Claudine Gay is still a hack, who never should have been hired as Pres of Harvard, and even more so, never should have been a prof at Stanford. She is a race grifting hack. She destroyed two legitimate black scholars, who I guess weren’t the right sex and sexual preference…

          4. Lefty665 Avatar

            Sort of like Northam and his wife’s restraint of his inclination to demonstrate the Moon walk? Good advice.

          5. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Even though McGuire Woods could not figure out the great mystery, I think I know the answer and what went down.

            I think Ralph was Michael Jackson and I think future wife was in the Klan robe. I think Ralphie sort of admitted it was him on Friday night, and when he got home to the Governor’s manse that night, he was greeted with “You stupid SOB! Thanks for throwing me under the bus!” Along with a few other warm greetings of affection.
            Saturday morning, Ralphie just wasn’t sure that was him…

            What a pathetic joke. And what hypocrites the Dems are. Power uber alles. By any means necessary. Only the party. Nothing above the party. Hey, where is Justin Fairfax? “Kurtis Blow” Herring?

  12. Lefty665 Avatar

    Has anyone checked Ryan’s writings for plagiarism?

  13. Dick Yowell Avatar
    Dick Yowell

    I have no issues with Mr. Ryan or UVA, but I am delighted that somebody is finally beginning to realize that colleges and universities deliver what their governing bodies measure and require. Governing bodies who don’t have a clear understanding of their business, what makes it tick, and why it exists tend to pay too much attention to the opinions of others. For far too long, too many institutions whose boards should have been smarter have been measured with the DEI yardstick.

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