by James C. Sherlock

What makes teachers want to teach?

The satisfaction that comes from helping children and adolescents learn and grow into productive, mature adults. It is amazingly powerful.

What is required for them to choose to teach? Enough money to live comfortably and a safe, supportive working environment.

So that is three:

  1. teaching satisfaction
  2. salary and benefits
  3. working conditions

What happens when those all go badly? We are finding out.

We have far too many schools in which students measurably are not learning. Astonishingly large numbers don’t show up to school.

As for safe, supportive working environments, forget it in many schools. Feral children and adolescents attack one another and their teachers.

Teachers are disgusted and, in some cases, terrified. So are their best students. Teachers are leaving not only their own schools but the profession in ever larger numbers.

Some readers may console themselves that time will heal all wounds. It won’t in this case. As the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC) reported, both the teacher retention and new teacher training curves are sloping dramatically in the wrong direction.

So, the question in the title requires an answer — immediately.

From the November JLARC report.

  • “Divisions are facing substantial challenges recruiting and retaining a qualified teacher workforce.”
  • “More teachers leaving profession, while fewer teachers are receiving licenses.”
  • “Chronic absenteeism and student behavior were major concerns as students returned to in-person instruction.”
  • “Academic achievement declined, especially among young students and in certain divisions.”
  • “Mental health issues among students are concerningly prevalent.”
  • Teacher morale and job satisfaction are lower since the start of the pandemic.”
  • “Most divisions are planning for future disruptions to in-person instruction, but some staff still report feeling unprepared.”

The report goes on:

These pandemic-related effects, as well as other factors, are the primary reasons for teachers’ lower job satisfaction. Teachers cited the following issues as the most serious problems they face:

  • a more challenging student population, including behavior issues (56 percent indicated this is a very serious issue);
  • low pay (52 percent);
  • lack of respect from parents and the public (47 percent); and
  • higher workload because of unfilled vacancies (40 percent).

Interesting and sterile choices of words: “other factors,” “more challenging student population,” and “behavior issues.” Who says social pressure doesn’t change the language?

What do we do when, not if, teachers simply quit certain school divisions in even larger numbers?

The real question is why the teachers in our worst schools do not quit.

If they want to continue to teach, there are better jobs in more welcoming school divisions. The short answer for many is that they do not have the option of moving to access better teaching environments.

How is this for a recruiting pitch? “Work here if you have no option.”

Progressive commenters often argue the extent and priority of the problems. Perhaps, with the JLARC report, we can move past that.

Student behavior. Take the worst problem first. Student behavior problems are not linear across Virginia’s public schools. For student behavior to be at the top of the list means that in some schools it is out of control.

I am not here going to reiterate my views on the reasons, both societal and in school boards, for the breakdown of discipline, chronic absenteeism and the loss of the will to impose order in schools and enforce attendance laws.

Lines are hardened on both sides of that debate.

Conservative solutions are straightforward, well known, and rejected by the left. So, I challenge progressives to offer their own solutions.

The progressive prescriptions of restorative justice, equal outcomes regardless of effort and performance, and the effective banishing of suspensions and expulsions are present in every troubled Virginia school division in the guise of Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS).

PBIS has been the standard in progressive-run divisions for years.

What is the progressive solution to achieve order and discipline in schools with the clear failure of PBIS in those schools where student achievement and supportive teaching environments are distant memories?

Chronic absenteeism. What is the progressive solution to getting recalcitrant students to school and unsupportive parents to court?

Low pay. I support a progressive solution — or what I think is a progressive solution — on this one. More money, certainly, but focus it on pay to the highest quality teachers, on bonuses and or college loan payments for first-time fully qualified teachers and on bonuses for those teachers with qualifications in shortest supply.

We also have to reconsider the current model of pay and promotions for seniority and advanced degrees rather than classroom skills. It is not working.

Lack of respect. I respect teachers beyond words. But it is pretty hard to mandate respect. Lack of respect is true if teachers think it is true.

Parents deserve respect as well. They have a right, indeed a moral obligation, to protest poor conditions in their children’s schools.

We have to figure out as a society how to keep policy issues and issues that arise with individual teachers and unions from seeming to tar the entire profession. I lay a lot of that obligation on the press. We need to keep the distinction clear.

And regularly and publicly assure teachers that we can hold two thoughts simultaneously. We can both seek better schools for our kids and grandkids and respect teachers.

Higher workload. That is the natural result of “more teachers leaving profession, while fewer teachers are receiving licenses.”

Bottom line. I strongly support an amendment to the Virginia constitution to require and resource the state to take over failed school divisions. I consider the lack of that authority and resources to be a crisis. Read the JLARC report.

But if readers assume that when I am talking about lack of discipline and chronic absenteeism I am referring to urban schools alone, they are wrong. It is happening in schools right here in Virginia Beach. And in Loudoun. I could go on. So could readers.

We stand by for progressive solutions to the factors listed and prioritized by the teachers themselves.

And all of us need to answer the question posed in the title.

Is there language in Title 44 of the Code of Virginia — Military and Emergency Laws — that would deal with such a problem? Perhaps this?

§ 44-75.1. Militia state active duty.
A. The Governor or his designee may call forth the militia or any part thereof to state active duty for service in any of the following circumstances:

5. In emergencies of lesser magnitude than those described in subdivision 4, including but not limited to the disruption of vital public services, wherein the use of militia personnel or equipment would be of assistance to one or more departments, agencies, institutions, or political subdivisions of the Commonwealth;

Yeah. I hate it too.

Such an action is certainly sub-optimum, but it must be considered in lieu of better options to keep the schools open during transition to increases in remote instruction, if we can even staff that.

If there is another temporary solution to continuing teacher resignations and lack of new teacher production reaching critical mass, it is time to name it.


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86 responses to “What Do We Do When Teachers Quit En Masse?”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    THIS, after all the anger over Northam and his pandemic rules?

    geeze!

    Conservatives, more and more, not just extreme but mainstream are alluding to and even advocating for autocratic government these days.

    1. Fred Costello Avatar
      Fred Costello

      Autocratic is what we have now. Conservatives want more charter and private schools, free enterprise instead of government monopoly.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        THIS is autocratic govt:

        “Is there language in Title 44 of the Code of Virginia – Military and Emergency Laws – that would deal with such a problem? Perhaps this?

        § 44-75.1. Militia state active duty.
        “A. The Governor or his designee may call forth the militia or any part thereof to state active duty for service in any of the following circumstances:”

        I’m just fine with choice/charter schools as long as:

        1. – they have to take ALL Demographics and ESPECIALLY the low income kids.

        2. – They are held to the SAME STANDARDS for transparency and accountability for their academic performance.

        3- They cannot dump kids because of discipline issues. They have to handle those issues the same way that public schools must.

        IOW, they have to meet the same standards as public schools do. They cannot cherry pick.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I did not bring up charters, you did. The more you read about charter management organizations (CMOs), the less you retain.

          1. CMOs specialize in low income minority kids.
          2. Most are heavily oversubscribed. They take all applicants by lottery.
          3. They delight in sharing the performance of their students on state standardized tests.
          4. Conservatives propose that public schools adopt charter school standards of conduct, not the other way around. The best charter schools employ traditional methods of discipline, which work far better than PBIS. The public school students in parts of Virginia would be far better off if they reverted to those methods.
          5. Parents really don’t want charters to meet the same standards as public schools, which is in Virginia a very low bar. They charter them to exceed other public school standards, which is the point.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I did not bring up charters, you did. The more you read about charter management organizations (CMOs), the less you retain.

          1. CMOs specialize in low income minority kids.
          2. Most are heavily oversubscribed. They take all applicants by lottery.
          3. They delight in sharing the performance of their students on state standardized tests.
          4. Conservatives propose that public schools adopt charter school standards of conduct, not the other way around. The best charter schools employ traditional methods of discipline, which work far better than PBIS. The public school students in parts of Virginia would be far better off if they reverted to those methods.
          5. Parents really don’t want charters to meet the same standards as public schools, which is in Virginia a very low bar. They charter them to exceed other public school standards, which is the point.

        3. Warmac9999 Avatar

          In other words, you created the problem and don’t want it solved.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            In other words, if you THINK those changes are needed, then why not reforms of the existing system, like we do with virtually ALL systems instead of re-creating the wheel?

          2. Warmac9999 Avatar

            You have built a box with no entrance or exits.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Nope. It’s a valid question. Do we create a separate Virginia State Police because they have some problems?

            What justifies replacing a public agency with a private one, funded by taxpayers, without the same level of transparency and accountability?

            Would you do this to VDH or the Virginia Employment Commission for their “failures”, i.e. create a second agency that is a tax-funded private entity that is not subject to the same standards, transparency and accountability as the existing public agencies?

            what kind of “sense” does this make?

            Basically this is anti-govt, anti-public education idiocy out the wazoo IMO.

            Conservatives seemingly want to turn over govt functions to private entities sans the standards and accountability on the premise that because it is “private” it will do it “better” – no proof or confirmation of actual performance is needed.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I am certain “Dr” Warren here is all for secret private police departments…. maybe they could wear brown shirts…

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            It’s amazing how Conservatives have changed their tune from smaller less intrusive govt to centralized top-down edict autocracy govt.

            They avoid being associated with Trump but it’s MAGA all the way.

        4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I did not bring up charters, you did. The more you read about charter management organizations (CMOs), the less you retain.

          1. CMOs specialize in low income minority kids.
          2. Most are heavily oversubscribed. They take all applicants by lottery.
          3. They delight in sharing the performance of their students on state standardized tests.
          4. Conservatives propose that public schools adopt charter school standards of conduct, not the other way around. The best charter schools employ traditional methods of discipline, which work far better than PBIS. The public school students in parts of Virginia would be far better off if they reverted to those methods.
          5. Parents really don’t want charters to meet the same standards as public schools, which is in Virginia a very low bar. They charter them to exceed other public school standards, which is the point.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            And I’m ALL FOR THEM as long as they’re held to the SAME STANDARD for public education and if they exceed them – all the better but they have to meet the same minimum standards.

            Ya’ll are living in LA LA LAnd. Youngkin wins a close election and ya’ll want to “rule” as if he’s a strongman dictator.

          2. The same standards? God I hope not.. I hope Charter Schools will concentrate on teaching the kids on learning….

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Are you complaining about standards or perforance?

            It’s really amazing. Conservatives use the data that is required to be collected and made publicly available to hold real public schools accountable to then argue for replacing them with taxpayer-funded non-public schools that won’t have that required accountability.

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Go with that.

    2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Mr. Larry, Captain Sherlock asked a direct question of you.
      “I challenge progressives to offer their own solutions.”
      Seriously, I would love to hear your ideas. Pretty clear bullet list of areas that need addressing.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        James – when someone proffers something really idiotic and then “challenges” others – it’s a fools game.

        Like crime or traffic congestion or nursing homes or inflation or other – we stay on task and try to find ways to deal with the issue.

        There are no silver bullets and least of all calling out the military to “fix it”.

        Geeze James…

        Tell me how to “fix” human trafficking… what we have not does not “work”, right? Wanna call out the troops to fix it?

        what is with you guys these days?

        are you so frustrated you just blather out the wazoo stuff that makes no sense what-so-ever?

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          Okay get over the military part for just a minute. What solutions can you offer? It seems like everybody is out of ideas.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            No, we’re not out of ideas for this any more than we are for traffic congestion or crime or other chronic issues.

            First off, the situation is NOT the way that it is being described.

            It’s as if some idiot would say that traffic congestion is so bad that we need to call our the National Guard.

            Is that your answer also for what is going on in the schools?

            THat’s your preferred answer also?

          2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Pretend for just a moment that National Guard is safely tucked in their barracks. Mr. Dick did. I like some of what he suggested.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            I thought Mr. Dick had some excellent suggestions UNLIKE the stuff about calling out the military …. those words are above as written – now proffered as “nuanced” suggestions.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I what part of the article did I advocate “autocratic government” Larry? Did it appear it you in a dream?

      The National Guard option? Read it again. It is only an option in this case “wherein the use of militia personnel … would be of assistance to one or more … political subdivisions of the Commonwealth.”

      So if Petersburg, say, asks for state assistance in a teacher shortage crisis, should the governor
      – just say no?

      – Tell them to figure it out?

      – Call a special session of the GA to send them big money so that they can outbid their neighbors for teachers, exporting the problem?

      Do you refer to a constitutional change so that the state has the authority and resources to take over failed divisions?

      Most states have that provision. The alternative is to let failed divisions stay failed. Which is what we do now. How is that working out for the kids?

      Think before you write.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        You’re saying to “consider” this:

        § 44-75.1. Militia state active duty.
        “A. The Governor or his designee may call forth the militia or any part thereof to state active duty for service in any of the following circumstances:

        “5. In emergencies of lesser magnitude than those described in subdivision 4, including but not limited to the disruption of vital public services, wherein the use of militia personnel or equipment would be of assistance to one or more departments, agencies, institutions, or political subdivisions of the Commonwealth;”

        Yeah. I hate it too.

        Such an action is certainly sub-optimum, but it must be considered in lieu of better options to keep the schools open during transition to increases in remote instruction, if we can even staff that.”

        really?

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Really. How are schools empty of teachers different than a flood? One destroys minds. The other destroys buildings.

          Answer my questions above.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            so you ARE calling for the military to deal with the schools issue? Right?

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            It would take a little – OK a lot – more nuanced understanding of the National Guard than you apparently can muster, Larry, to understand the concept.

            You apparently do not know that National Guard soldiers and airmen are routinely called to service one at time, not just at the unit level.

            If you knew that, you would also understand that the Virginia National Guard has the personnel records of every person in the force. How many of them do you think have teaching experience? The Guard doesn’t have to guess.

            The Guard would examine the requirements of the supported school division and would call to duty the personnel most qualified to fill the need in exactly the numbers needed until longer term solutions could be implemented.

            And, since they would be called up for state service, they would be authorized to enforce the laws of the Commonwealth while on duty.

            Their orders could permit them to wear civilian clothes while on duty if that was desired.

            If you knew any of that.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            You’re citing an “emergency” for doing so and that’s only in your own mind..

            Are you saying “call out the national guard” and turn the into teachers in the schools?

            They’d be reporting to who – the principal or their guard command?

            You folks REALLY are going off the scale on your “ideas”.

            How many average citizens do you really think would go along with this “idea” that I presume you’d have the governor do?

            You’re truly in LA LA Land.

            You’re surmising that there are folks in the “Guard” who have “teaching experience”.

            You do realize that folks in the guard usually already have jobs, right?

            So you’d do what? Have Youngkin “order” a reassignment of people from their current jobs to be “teachers”?

            Good Lord Guy!

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            What exactly would you have the “militia” do?

  2. It would indeed be helpful if the Youngkin admin demonstrated that it “could hold two thoughts simultaneously” instead of merely appearing to constantly attack teachers and their professional organizations by pitting the schools against the parents. Overall this is one of the more balanced pieces by Sherlock.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Find where the governor has “constantly attacked teachers” and provide us the links.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        You HAVE to be kidding. Do you not read the news? Do you not pay attention to Youngkin’s campaign statements with regard to schools and teachers?

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          The Sherlock version of “moi…?”…

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Quotes, Larry, not your interpretations.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            tip line? “grooming”, DEI, CRT, transgender, you want QUOTES? Try GOOGLE, it’s easy!

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Not the required answer, Larry.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            But it’s the right one. Asking for “quotes” when the evidence is all over the place is not gonna get you “your” right answer.

      2. As I stated they give the impression of being anti-teacher via their actions which pit parents against the schools and teachers. This started with CRT, masking, history SOL’s, northern Virginia school boards, and teacher organizations.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          It’s like Sherlock says you gott provide PROOF like he knows none of it!

  3. Deckplates Avatar

    This article provides some details as to why Virginia (and most probably other states) has a teacher shortage. Some reasons for teacher shortages, from the teacher’s point of view are brought up for review. How to address the shortage should include the parents as part of the solution. Yes, the word “parent” is in the article, but they need to commit in addition to complain. What do the parents want and what are they willing to pay for as a solution? This is to include money, time, and commitment at home. The parents do “hire” the teachers, right?

    Pay, should be on the table. Why not pay a science, math or special ed teacher more than a history or woodworking teacher? Also, the retirement pays and retirement matching 403(b) compensation should be on the table. Why does a teacher get a retired pay? Can we compensate them in, perhaps with a higher base, without a retired pay and in other ways? Additionally, does everyone, who is employed in the educational system need a retired pay, to include administrators and other office employees? [am sure a lot are gonna throw stones at this “blasphemy”]

    Can we continue to evolve the Virginia Retirement System to a new Hybrid Plan, say higher present compensation, higher 403(b) matching and less annuity after leaving? That should be on the table. Of course, other compensation should be considered, such as expanded continuing education, and support for professional development.

    These budgets should be delinked from school safety costs. It is sorta-kinda, but it is still thought of as a “lump sum.”

    Respect for the profession and the profession’s self-respect can be taught and required. We respect other professions, and they earn and deserve it. That too should be a parental commitment.

    And yes, there are short term fixes and long-term solutions to our failing educational system. We should get hot on solutions to both.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      “Why not pay a science, math or special ed teacher more than a history or woodworking teacher?”

      What are you trying to break up the Virginia Education Association? No chance in hell of that happening, even though I agree with it.

      How is it true that an elementary PE teacher makes the same money as a high school Calculus teacher?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I actually support this but folks ought to know that there are monetary things called “stipends” that teachers can get over and above their regular pay.

        And the funny thing is, it appears that “sports” stipends are more than other non-sports “stipends”.

        You know this stuff James… inform us.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          Yes Mr. Larry it is true a coach or club sponsor can earn a stipend. It is pretty small change though. Like a buck an hour when you factor in all the time put in.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            That concept could be a way to reward more and better teachers though.

            I’m in favor of bonuses and such for higher performance.

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “Can we continue to evolve the Virginia Retirement System to a new Hybrid Plan…”

      Typical corporatist euphemistic rhetoric designed only to continue to rob the workers in this country of their retirement benefits they have earned.

  4. Deckplates Avatar

    One area in addressing morale and respect for the profession, is considering the quality of “the profession.” One other part of the many parts of a career and career progression is performance.

    Teachers should have an improved Performance Management System, which identifies core performance factors, and grades them. Not the perfunctory list we have in place. The system, which is in effect in many of the professions today, should offer methods for improvement, and support for all of that. Real standards, real grading and real support for improvement.

    Teachers who do not improve and who are not doing the basics of their job, should not be on the payroll. Today, there is – almost – no way to remove poor performing teachers. And the burden on the principals who wants to do that is significant. Parents look at them and hope & pray their kid does not get them next year. And the ones who have them are unhappy. This small number (pick one, 4% or 3% or 2%) should not drag down the whole profession.

    Teachers in schools, who underperform, and who are incorrigible, should be removed. Other teachers are embarrassed by their existence. And they have to pick up the slack – that makes ya really feel down, when “I do my job & have to do the job of another.” All because they can’t get replaced by someone who can do the job.

    Principals are frustrated by having to deal with it.

    Parents are burnt out with a system which throws these recalcitrant educators on their children. Today, we cannot remove them due to a bunch of rules, none of which are about improving the quality of the system or workplace environment.

    The whole teaching profession and the administrative personnel would benefit by a changed evaluation system. This would allow the boss to actually evaluate their people, make continual improvements, and let go of people who are not doing their job.
    [now I am very sure, after writing the above, they’d gonna hunt me down, and tie me to a stake with a fire below…]

    1. Matt Hurt Avatar

      Virginia does have such a thing, but the problem is that it is implemented in some places better than others. In my experience, it pretty much correlates with student outcomes.

      https://doe.virginia.gov/teaching/performance_evaluation/teacher/

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I wish you’d weigh in more on some of this stuff with your views.

    2. Deckplates Avatar

      As for the VDOE’s requirement to provide Evaluation Standards, two documents stand out.

      These two documents are substantial.
      • Guidelines for Uniform Performance Standards And Evaluation – Criteria for Principals, March 17, 2022 (98 pages)
      • Guidelines For Uniform Performance Standards And Evaluation – Criteria For Teachers, March 18, 2021 (102 Pages)
      (These two doc’s took some time to read and study)

      Both Documents contain extensive Performance Management, and Evaluation Criteria. Both documents provide a standardized framework for the School Divisions to use.

      The content can be valuable. It is inclusive of specific standards, a focus on the evaluation group, and relevant demonstration of performance. If used appropriately the outcome of improved performance is more likely obtained.

      However, the length of each document requires some study. Of course, training in the use of each is appropriate. Training for both Evaluator & Evaluee.

      It could be that the timing of the release of the Teachers’ standards, March 2021, could be another aggravating factor adding to teacher frustration and “requirement overload.”

      Thanks for pointing it out.

  5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “…lack of respect from parents and the public (47 percent)…”

    I lay this right at the feet of Ian Prior and his adherents. The very sentiment that Youngkin rode to election victory has come home to roost. The Conservative answer… it’s the fault of the press… no really just a few bad apple teachers… oh, and the unions… oh and “we can hold two thoughts simultaneously…” even though we can’t give up the old vilification of the public schools mainline…. smh…

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      If publishing data on school failures is a crime, JLARC is guilty, as is the VDOE under Democratic and Republican administrations.

      If attempts at improvement of the public schools in reaction to such data is a crime, many Virginians are guilty.

      I am one of them. List your contributions.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        So, because of the school “failures” that have resulted in teachers leaving, you’d call out the military ?

        Come on guy. You must be having a bad day. This is even beyond rational!

        1. Calling up qualified individuals as needed to address the extreme teacher shortages is not the same as calling out an entire military unit.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            let’s go back Carol:

            ” § 44-75.1. Militia state active duty.
            “A. The Governor or his designee may call forth the militia or any part thereof to state active duty for service in any of the following circumstances:

            “5. In emergencies of lesser magnitude than those described in subdivision 4, including but not limited to the disruption of vital public services, wherein the use of militia personnel or equipment would be of assistance to one or more departments, agencies, institutions, or political subdivisions of the Commonwealth;”

            Yeah. I hate it too.

            Such an action is certainly sub-optimum, but it must be considered in lieu of better options to keep the schools open during transition to increases in remote instruction, if we can even staff that.”

            do we read this differently?

          2. Yes. And I read the post that started
            James C. Sherlock LarrytheG • 2 hours ago
            It would take a little – OK a lot – more nuanced understanding of the
            National Guard than you apparently can muster, Larry, to understand the concept….

            Read that one again, Larry.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Are the words he wrote earlier not what he intended?

            do you read those words and think what?

            Your write those words then claim they are “nuanced”?

            really? what is with you folks?

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Ian Prior and his cadre are not just “publishing data” and neither are you. The tactics include vilifying teachers, administrators, school boards, unions, LGBQT students and community members, parents who support teaching accurate histories, etc all in an attempt to undermine the public school system in Virginia. By all accounts, you are succeeding… congratulations…

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Youngkin wins an election in no small part to his vilification of public schools including the teachers then ….. Youngkin lovers like Sherlock bemoan the loss of teachers who have had enough of the promoted hate.

      So, Sherlock then takes it a step further and says we should “consider” calling out the military because it’s apparently a disaster like other disasters we’d call out the military for.

      Good Lord!

      Oh, and he calls this a “contribution”!

    3. LarrytheG Avatar

      Youngkin wins an election in no small part to his vilification of public schools including the teachers then ….. Youngkin lovers like Sherlock bemoan the loss of teachers who have had enough of the promoted hate.

      So, Sherlock then takes it a step further and says we should “consider” calling out the military because it’s apparently a disaster like other disasters we’d call out the military for.

      Good Lord!

      Oh, and he calls this a “contribution”!

    4. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Eric, Captain Sherlock asked a direct question of you.
      “I challenge progressives to offer their own solutions.”
      Seriously, I would love to hear your ideas. Pretty clear bullet list of areas that need addressing.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        First of all, Sherlock does not know a “progressive” from his backside…

        Conservatives who play this game are not interested in answers… other than their own navel gazing…

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          Stay in your lane Mr. Larry. This one was for Eric.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Yes. James.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        I will address the one I am commenting on. Lack of respect for teachers from parents and the public… easy stop vilifying teachers and let them teach. Truly show them the respect they are due.

      3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        I will address the one I am commenting on. Lack of respect for teachers from parents and the public… easy stop vilifying teachers and let them teach. Truly show them the respect they are due.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          I hear you Eric. Most teachers are staying between the guard rails and working hard. But we have a consistent problem with teachers breaching the public’s trust.
          https://www.fauquiernow.com/news/education/former-fauquier-county-teacher-indicted-on-four-counts-of-sexual-abuse/article_78c0d3f0-70f7-11ed-aac7-a3b04eaa7ba9.html

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            No, James we don’t. This incident is no excuse nor are similar ones. They are the exception, not the rule. Virginia public schools remain among the best in the country and they and the teachers who are the backbone of these schools do not deserve the treatment they receive from Prior, Youngkin and the like (sometimes even here).

          2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Eric the exceptions are happening in greater frequency. The unwritten rule: teacher misconduct is swept under the rug and out of public view. Whether you like Prior or not, he has pulled back the curtain.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Welp, he certainly helps those who are anti-public schools that is for sure. You asked for a solution, I suggested one. I never expected it to be embraced. It will take suffering through the rest of the Youngkin term and action at the ballot box to begin to set things right again. In the meanwhile expect to lose more experienced teachers from our schools.

            Btw, I now challenge you to support your own statement that “… the exceptions are happening in greater frequency…”. I would like to see empirical evidence that the RATE of teacher misconduct is statistically trending upward (preferably with an r^2 > than 60%). If you can’t support such a statement, it means you are now just parroting the very people who are unjustly vilifying teachers in Virginia and part of the problem, not the solution.

          4. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            As a former dept. chair at a nationally ranked high school I can name 4 teachers out a dept. of 15 that should have been dismissed for misconduct. Still employed and their deeds swept under the rug. There! That is the best I can do.

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            So is it now 6 out of 15? Because it would need to be for your statement that “… the exceptions are happening in greater frequency…” to be even remotely supported in fact.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            The claim that it is “happening more and more” as if it’s now widespread across all school divisions in the state is a “tell” from those who make these claims.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            In a vilification campaign, all that is important is the claim (repeated as often and as loudly as possible)… no need to concern oneself with actual evidence to support the claims.

          8. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Ha! Eric this reminds me of our endless back and forth on the War of Northern Aggression. Is this loud enough!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHWbsvgQUE

          9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Lol, James… yes, the Lost Cause campaign is a perfect example…

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            Indeed, seems like almost ANY excuse is being used to justify totally out of proportion actions.

  6. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I accept your challenge:

    1. Student behavior–You blame PBIS. The JLARC report does not. It does not report any teachers citing PBIS as a cause of student behavior problems. Rather, most of the behavior problems stem from the effects of the pandemic–the isolation, etc. The answer has been beefing up the number of counselors in the schools. JLARC recommends increasing the number of psychologists.

    What do conservatives advocate? Bringing back corporal punishment? Suspension and expulsion are often mentioned, but those steps do the students no good. It has been my experience that positive, rather than punitive, approaches work better with children. The PBIS approach is evidence-based and has shown positive results. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3483890/

    2. Chronic absenteeism–I agree with you. The attendance laws should be enforced. Schools should employ more attendance officers. Many times , absenteeism is not a result of student shirking, but, rather, to conditions in the home. School attendance officers can help with these cases. Uncooperative parents should be taken to court.

    3. Low pay–I agree with you here, as well. I have long thought that it was counter-productive that the only way good teachers could advance was to go into administration. Good teachers should be paid more than poor or average teachers. The trick, of course, is defining or identifying the good teachers. It has been my position that this should be one of the roles of the principal. A “good teacher” is hard to define–part of the what makes a teacher “good” or “great” can’t be quantified. But principals know who the good teachers are and they should be empowered to reward them with raises or bonuses. Of course, I recognize the problems with using any non-objective method of evaluating teachers. And the VEA would fight it furiously.

    4. Lack of respect–There shouldn’t be any division between liberals and conservatives on this one. Somehow communities need to go out of their way to show teachers they are valued and recognize the crucial role they play in society. Being vilified as “groomers” and purveyors of child pornography and having their choice of instructional material constantly questioned are likely among the major reasons that teachers feel a lack of respect.

    5. Higher workload–This partly results from teacher vacancies. It also is the result of more and more demands heaped upon teachers and more and more reports required. There is another factor contributing to higher workload. A friend of mine told me that one of the last straws that led to his wife choosing to leave teaching was the frequency with which a few, perhaps only one or two, parents objected to her reading assignments, resulting in her having to spend a lot of time designing different curricula for those students.

    I have not taken the time to read the entire JLARC report, so I don’t know if it covers the reasons for teachers leaving. To some extent, it is probably due to a generation reaching retirement age. (This is true of the public work force generally–a large percentage are eligible to retire.) The combination of teachers retiring and fewer new teachers coming out of college is probably one major factor causing the teacher shortage.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Nice work Mr. Dick. I could sign up to some of the ideas offered.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        better than calling out the National Guard?

        I do “get” the frustration that some folks have on various issues but the simple truth of the matter is , some problems are just what they are. We have to work them, often times, persistence does lead to better outcomes but the folks who think we must have a “fix” are just out of touch with realities.

        We’re “not” going to “fix” immigration.

        I can name dozens more that we are “not” going to “fix”.

        But to blame these things on progressives who have “no” solutions is dumb as a stump stuff.

        The idea that “conservatives” if allowed, would “fix” these issues is laughable.

    2. Matt Hurt Avatar

      Dick, as far as #3 is concerned, I’m not sure that the powers that be have defined what is “good”. We have all kinds of metrics, and could develop more, but we need to decide what is “good” first.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        That is certainly the dilemma. Maybe it is sort of like Justice Potter Stewart’s definition of pornography: I know it when I see it.

    3. LarrytheG Avatar

      Having a circle of friends who teacher and/or retired and yes, one or two parents of kids in a classroom can make it a living hell for the teacher.

      And, here’s the other thing. How many RETIRED teachers still do SOME teaching, some continuing affiliation with public education. From what I hear from the folks I know, almost none. It’s just “not worth it”.

      I don’t know where Sherlock thinks Youngkin is going to find “voluntary” teachers but my guess is it’s going to be a tough slog. It’s just a tough job.

  7. State control of public schools is manifestly an expensive failure. End state control of public schools. Let local school boards run their districts and compete with neighboring districts for students.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Sherlock seems to believe something that most Conservatives have strenuously opposed, i.e. unelected state level bureaucracies of which there is little or no good data actually demonstrating better education outcomes for k-12.

      What makes him believe Va should “take over” schools much less call out the national guard to staff them?

      No more, “the closer to the people, the better the governance”.

      Nope. Now it’s to have the Governor dictate top-down edicts , something Conservatives have railed about when Northam was governor.

      Hard to fathom the “thinking”.

  8. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    This contains, net, some of the most interesting and original commentary on any article I have written. Thank you.

  9. killerhertz Avatar
    killerhertz

    I for one, will be celebrating the demise of public education.

    Send all public school bureaucrats to the coal mines. They’ll have better working conditions there.

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