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Washington Post Editorial Board is Pushing Back on Censorious Students. Finally

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by James C. Sherlock

After years of silence, The Washington Post editorialized yesterday that censorship of speech on America’s college campuses had gone too far.

Better late than never.

We welcome them to the fight.

The Post does not note that too many students are arriving on college campuses as already-radicalized warriors of the left, trained, not educated, as such from kindergarten.

It will be a long slog to correct that trend. Perhaps the Post editorial board will one day join that fight as well. But not yet. It does not even acknowledge it is happening.

As for the colleges, the contest for free speech is in the early innings.

They will continually have to fight a battle that cannot be fully won while the left provides fresh troops to every freshman class.

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118 responses to “Washington Post Editorial Board is Pushing Back on Censorious Students. Finally”

  1. M. Purdy Avatar
    M. Purdy

    “The Post does not note that too many students are arriving on college campuses as already radicalized warriors of the left trained, not educated, as such from kindergarten.” Is there any back up for this statement?

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Is there any “back up” that “The Post does not note that too many students are arriving on college campuses as already radicalized warriors…“?

      Perhaps if you read the editorial you could answer the question of what the Post noted or did not note for yourself.

      1. M. Purdy Avatar
        M. Purdy

        I did read the editorial, and what you asked is not the part of the statement where backup was needed.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Perhaps I have helped you to ask the question you wanted the answer to rather than the question you actually asked. Glad to lend a hand.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Perhaps I have helped you to ask the question you wanted the answer to rather than the question you actually asked. Glad to lend a hand.

          1. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            Yes, you did. I should have realized how the most shallow readers can easily get confused. Thank you.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            You are welcome, but there was no need to thank me. I was pleased to help.

            I read what you wrote. The confusion was in your writing. Displacing the confusion to the reader does not help the writer become less confused.

  2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “The Post does not note that too many students are arriving on college campuses as already radicalized warriors of the left trained, not educated, as such from kindergarten.”

    https://www.nbc4i.com/news/nazi-homeschool-sparks-call-for-review-of-ohio-homeschooling/amp/

    “One Ohio couple is said to be supplying “Nazi-approved material” for homeschooling, according to online reports.”

    Which side are you on…?

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      I’m on the side of free speech whether I agree with that speech or not.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I’m on the side of the “Top 10 Most Beautiful Women in the World” ad that appears below.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          I keep getting articles about the 8 most dangerous dog breeds.

          Hmmm …

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Wife’s brother has a bulldog just like the one pictured, only uglier. She sits bolt upright on the couch with her back legs out in front and watches tv. Weird.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Bulldog sounds a lot like my ex brother in law, although she may be better looking. Does she drool too?

          3. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            I regularly see the “Top 10 Most Beautiful Women in the World” ad, but I see expensive wristwatches and motorcycles much more frequently.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        I am on the non-Nazi side personally…

        1. David Wojick Avatar
          David Wojick

          You are probably a Nazi in their eyes, as are we all. Their view is the system is evil so must everyone in it be, except for them. Call it the “hear no evil” movement, where only monkeys know the truth.

          Same for “systemic racism” a truly confused concept. Racism is systemic so everyone and everything is racist.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Who is “them”…??

            You know the article I posted is about real honest to goodness Nazis, right? You also know that they were actually trying to groom homeschool kids to become Nazis, right?

            Btw, that is not what systemic racism means…

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Who is “them”…??

            You know the article I posted is about real honest to goodness Nazis, right? You also know that they were actually trying to groom homeschool kids to become Nazis, right?

            Btw, that is not what systemic racism means…

          3. CJBova Avatar
            CJBova

            Eric: You’ve conflated two Ohio stories–one about a couple offering homeschool material on an app called Telegram which the Ohio legislature and Dept of Ed are looking into, and the Neo-Nazi group in the photo showing up at drag queen story hours.

            BR is on the side of free speech.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Not conflating anything, Carol. With the photo offered below I am showing the dichotomy of how the Right is shutting down the free speech of drag queens while promoting the free speech of Nazis. I would choose the opposite.

            The other example above was in direct response to Sherlock’s claim of the left supposedly radicalizing kindergartners when there is actual evidence of the opposite happening in the homeschool community. Btw, the investigation has been dropped… apparently no one sees anything wrong with Nazi propaganda in homeschool curriculum…🤷‍♂️

          5. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            I have no problem with drag queens. I have a problem with drag queen story hour at an elementary school.

            I have a problem with Nazis but I respect their right to exercise free speech . I would also have a problem with Nazi story hour at an elementary school.

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            The Tennessee law restricts drag shows in any public space. Whether you personally agree with it is beside the point. The point is the Right is in agreement with it – at least in Tennessee. They have put the rights of Nazis over those of transsexuals. This is not some rightwing fringe but the Party itself. It is as simple as that.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            The Tennessee law restricts drag shows in any public space. Whether you personally agree with it is beside the point. The point is the Right is in agreement with it – at least in Tennessee. They have put the rights of Nazis over those of transsexuals. This is not some rightwing fringe but the Party itself. It is as simple as that.

          8. Tom B Avatar
            Tom B

            Eric’s argument is exactly the same as the one used by the critics of Galileo, those who burned heretics at the state, those who sent to the Gulag anyone who questioned the latest Soviet orthodoxy, etc. The modern left uses it to go after climate skeptics, those who question Covid lockdowns, etc.

            Speech that everyone agrees with needs no protection. The concept of free speech is meaningful only when applied to the speech few like.

            The TN bill referenced does not BAN drag shows. It limits them on public property where children could view them. Human society routinely limits what children are exposed to until they are mentally mature enough to comprehend what they are seeing. Parents who think their child would be ‘enhanced’ by the experience can take them to a non public venue where such an event occurs. That also raises the question of why the T community is so insistent that they be allowed to perform to 6 year olds – to what end?

            Defending the right to speak does not mean agreement with the subject matter. Adults need to hear the whole argument. Those who limit themselves to half an argument will only be half what they could have been.

          9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Again we see an example here if the Right defending Nazis unfettered rights to free speech and in the same breath defending those who seek to restrict the same rights of transsexuals. QED

          10. Tom B Avatar
            Tom B

            Actually, it shows no such thing.

          11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Carol, the two threads have now become somewhat conflated through cross references. Not intended, I assure you.

          12. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            If BR is categorically on the side of free speech, how do you explain the incident involving Bert Ellis on the UVA Lawn?

          13. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            Perhaps it was before your time, but the people marching in Skokie were “real honest to goodness Nazis” too.

            The First Amendment has no exception for Nazis, as much as we might despise them.

            The best approach for Nazis is to let them do their thing on empty streets with nobody to see them, or take their picture. They are a bunch of pathetic losers who shouldn’t get the attention they seek.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Then you should counter-protest the Nazis.

          The ACLU had it right in 1978 when they supported the Nazis right to march in heavily Jewish Skokie.

          Hate speech is free speech.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I choose to protest those who protect Nazis over transsexuals.

          2. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            And I support your right to mount such a protest – even if you are wrong about who “supports” Nazis.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I am most assuredly not wrong about the Right supporting Nazis over Drag Queens. The legislation is the proof.

          4. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            No, it is not “proof” – it is not even really evidence. You are making a false comparison – but you knew that when you did it.

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Why is it a false comparison? Again, the Right passed and supports the legislation that restricts the rights of transsexuals. They adamantly refuse to even consider restricting the same rights for Nazis as shown on this very blog. They clearly support the rights of Nazis over those of transsexuals.

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Why is it a false comparison? Again, the Right passed and supports the legislation that restricts the rights of transsexuals. They adamantly refuse to even consider restricting the same rights for Nazis as shown on this very blog. They clearly support the rights of Nazis over those of transsexuals.

          7. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            They adamantly refuse to even consider restricting the same rights for Nazis as shown on this very blog.

            Who? Who said they think Nazis should be able to act without restriction? In fact, numerous people besides myself have clearly stated that they do not want Nazis proselytizing their beliefs to children in our public schools and public libraries.

            So, who on this blog has stated their belief that their should be no restrictions on Nazis?

          8. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            You’re not even comparing the same rights.

            You talk about the Nazis right to protest, and compare it to “drag queens” reading books, and ‘performing’ for, elementary school children.

            They are not the same thing, and your insistence that they are is quite irritating. Especially to someone who wants to see the Tennessee law severely “rolled back”.

            If “drag queens” hold a [peaceful] protest in opposition to this law, and the Tennessee authorities try to shut them down I will be right there with you in opposing the authorities.

            If the Nazis try to implement a program of reading to, and performing for, children in public schools and public libraries I will be right there with you in supporting such a law.

            In the meantime, the two issues are not comparable.

          9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “You talk about the Nazis right to protest, and compare it to “drag queens” reading books, and ‘performing’ for, elementary school children.”

            No, I don’t. I am discussing legislation that restricted transsexuals first amendment rights in public spaces. It is very much the same right. Performance in the public space is a 1st amendment right. Period.

            Whether you personally want to see the law severely rolled back or not does not change the fact that the mainstream Right enacted and defends the law.

          10. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            They adamantly refuse to even consider restricting the same rights for Nazis as shown on this very blog.

            Who? Who said they think Nazis should be able to act without restriction? In fact, numerous people besides myself have clearly stated that they do not want Nazis proselytizing their beliefs to children in our public schools and public libraries.

            So, who on this blog has stated their belief that their should be no restrictions on Nazis?

          11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “The same right” is the transexual’s first amendment right to perform in the public space which is equivalent to speech and what many here say should not be curtailed for Nazis. Must I run through the comments to prove it to you or can you read for yourself?

  3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Better late than never.
    We welcome them to the fight.”

    From yesterday in Columbus OH, a reminder of what BR is fighting for….

    Which side are you on… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bdcf44ed42d50f0242094384c7feca80131325905ab3a289f2cf16f2c520836c.jpg

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      What are you talking about? You’d really like to make it illegal for jackwagons like those in the picture above to express their vile beliefs? If so, who gets to decide what constitutes so-called “hate speech”.

      AOC said, “The fact that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the land of the free is extraordinarily disturbing.”

      Many felt that her equating migrant detention facilities to “concentration camps” was Anti-Semitic since “concentration camps” are often discussed in conjunction with The Holocaust.

      Should that speech be banned?

      Who decides?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “You’d really like to make it illegal for jackwagons like those in the picture above to express their vile beliefs?”

        They were “protesting” a drag queen show which I will remind you have been outlawed in Tennessee at least. So, if these are now our standards of free speech… yes…

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Those have always been our standards of free speech. See National Socialist Party of America v Village of Skokie, 432 U.S 43 (1977).

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            So our standards have been ban drag queens but protect Nazis… Yeah, I can’t really get behind that…

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            No, no. Slight difference. One is codified explicitly . The other is based on interpretation.

          3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            It’s not that straightforward. I would say that our standards protect drag queens and what the Tennessee legislature has done violates those standards, i.e. it is unconstitutional. I hope the courts agree. If they don’t, then we, in effect, would have a double standard.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Whether or not it is ultimately deemed unconstitutional, the non-radical mainstream Right in Tennessee passed the law and continue to defend it. They have therefore taken the position that Nazis deserve more protection under the law than Drag Queens. I do hope they are ultimately shown the door by the SCOTUS but I certainly would not count on that.

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Whether or not it is ultimately deemed unconstitutional, the non-radical mainstream Right in Tennessee passed the law and continue to defend it. They have therefore taken the position that Nazis deserve more protection under the law than Drag Queens. I do hope they are ultimately shown the door by the SCOTUS but I certainly would not count on that.

          6. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            A federal judge temporarily blocked Tennessee’s new drag ban the day before it was set to go into effect. I seriously doubt it will survive court examination.

            Both issues being discussed above are speech and neither needs to be invited into public elementary schools or children’s story hour at public libraries.

            Adults will always be fighting about contentious issues, but young children don’t need to be battlefield casualties. Leave them out of it.

          7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            Thanks for the clarification on the court’s action. I had not followed this event that closely.

          8. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Whether or not it is ultimately deemed unconstitutional, the non-radical mainstream Right in Tennessee passed the law and continue to defend it. They have therefore taken the position that Nazis deserve more protection under the law than Drag Queens. I do hope they are ultimately shown the door by the SCOTUS but I certainly would not count on that.

          9. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Nobody has a “right” to put on shows of any kind in elementary schools Dick.

        2. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          Astroturf? Reichstag fire? I’m gonna bet that was Leftists playing dress up Right-wingers…
          Youngkin bus? J6?
          It’s just too easy to make the graphic…and you have to do the dishonest tactics because your ideas won’t stand up to honest scrutiny and debate.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            A modicum of basic research will demonstrate that you would lose that bet. The Nazis are very real and have joined (perhaps leading) the Right in their anti-trans movement. You are known by the company you keep…

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Guilt by association, cute. Trolls are disreputable too you know.

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            You are lying Troll. Put up facts. In your picture, you know that all of those were Righties? You do know Nazi was an abbreviation of National Socialist, right? And Antifa was merely the Communist version of the Nazi Brown shirts, right?

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Walt, please don’t trot out the old Nazis were really Socialists tripe again. It has been tried over and over again and just shows you to be ignorant of history or intentionally dishonest.

          5. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Uh-huh…
            Right, Troll…
            Projecting like an IMAX again…
            Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers’ Party, German Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism. Under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, the party came to power in Germany in 1933 and governed by totalitarian methods until 1945.

          6. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            Interesting. You appear to genuinely believe the modern leftist reimagining of history regarding Germany’s National Socialist Party while at the same time arguing that our children are not being indoctrinated by leftists in our schools. Who taught you that the National Socialists were not socialist?

            While the Nazis’ National Socialist People’s Welfare (NSV) enforced racial and class restrictions in their social welfare programs, those programs were very much socialist in both form and function.

            You cannot logically argue that the German Nazi party was not socialist simply because they were also racists.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…”

          8. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            Nice dodge.

          9. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Yes, but surely he is not trying to claim that he is not a socialist is he?

          10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Not a dodge. The first people the Nazis put in concentration camps were the socialists (and it wasn’t themselves).

          11. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            “You are known by the company you keep…

            Guilt by association, cute. Trolls are disreputable too you know.

          12. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I know which side I am on… do you…?

          13. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Yes, I am firmly and proudly anti troll. But I respect their right to say any damn fool thing they want to adults, as you are here, but not to little kids.

          14. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            So the difference between how the Right addresses Nazis and Drag Queens is about not letting kids be exposed to it. Can you show me any legislation that restricts the rights of Nazis based on possible child exposure to their protests? Or are you saying Drag Queen ideology is more of a danger to our kids than Nazi ideology…?

          15. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            Is there any legislation, even in Tennessee, that restrict the rights of “drag queens” to protest?

          16. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            The “right to protest” is based on the first amendment free speech protections. This is the very right restricted by the Right’s Tennessee law.

          17. CJBova Avatar
            CJBova

            Nazi ideology comes under hate speech statutes that apply to everyone.

          18. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Yet in the public space (as many have told me here) the hate speech is protected whether kids are there or not.

            Specifically:

            “There is no legal definition of “hate speech” under U.S. law, just as there is no legal definition for evil ideas, rudeness, unpatriotic speech, or any other kind of speech that people might condemn. Generally, however, hate speech is any form of expression through which speakers intend to vilify, humiliate, or incite hatred against a group or a class of persons on the basis of race, religion, skin color sexual identity, gender identity, ethnicity, disability, or national origin. 1

            In the United States, hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. Courts extend this protection on the grounds that the First Amendment requires the government to strictly protect robust debate on matters of public concern even when such debate devolves into distasteful, offensive, or hateful speech that causes others to feel grief, anger, or fear. (The Supreme Court’s decision in Snyder v. Phelps provides an example of this legal reasoning.) Under current First Amendment jurisprudence, hate speech can only be criminalized when it directly incites imminent criminal activity or consists of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group.”

            https://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/hate

          19. CJBova Avatar
            CJBova

            In Virginia, it falls under “§ 52-8.5. Reporting hate crimes C (iii) all other incidents, as determined by law-enforcement authorities, intended to intimidate or harass any individual or group because of race, religion, gender, disability, gender identity, sexual orientation, or ethnic or national origin.” Otherwise, it is first amendment speech.

          20. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            So Nazi ideology is protected free speech and actually does not fall under hate speech statutes (unless explicitly intended to intimidate or harass an individual or group). So regardless of whether kids can observe them or not, in the public space Nazis are protected in their 1st amendment rights. According to the Right, Drag Queens should not be.

          21. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            So Nazi ideology is protected free speech and actually does not fall under hate speech statutes (unless explicitly intended to intimidate or harass an individual or group). So regardless of whether kids can observe them or not, in the public space Nazis are protected in their 1st amendment rights. According to the Right, Drag Queens should not be.

          22. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            “Nazis are leading the right in their “anti-trans” movement?”

            You should start your own blog.

          23. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Why did you misquote me?

          24. CJBova Avatar
            CJBova

            The complete quote is “The Nazis are very real and have joined (perhaps leading) the Right in their anti-trans movement.” Still not a true statement.

          25. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            2023 Incidents

            04/08/23—Cottonwood, AZ—At least 10 members of the Proud Boys, some in tactical vests and face masks, protested a sold-out Arizona Pride Tour drag event.
            04/05/23—Pasco, WA—Extremists protest an all-ages Disney-themed drag show.
            04/01/23—Chardon, OH—White nationalist organization the Patriot Front among protesters at a drag brunch at a bar.
            04/01/23—Chesterland, OH—White nationalist organization the Patriot Front among protesters at a Drag Queen Story Hour at a church.
            03/31/23—Chardon, OH—Drag-friendly church firebombed by neo-Nazi.
            03/26/23—Indianapolis, IN—Indy Reads bookstore temporarily closed following a bomb threat targeted the store’s monthly Drag Story Hour.
            03/26/23—Louisville, KY—Protestors and a bomb threat targeting a Drag Queen Story Time show forced the evacuation of a building. The same event faced online threats from a neo-Nazi group.
            03/24/23—Chesterland, OH—The Community Church of Chesterland, which plans to host a Drag Story Hour next Saturday, said its sign and building were vandalized by molotov cocktails Friday night, and that Proud Boys were sending online notices encouraging protests.
            03/22/23—Prestonburg, KY—An all-ages drag show was canceled after organizers and supporters said they faced online threats of armed protest.
            03/22/23—Tuscon, AZ—Bookmans Northwest location postponed its Drag Story Hour after a campaign by The Bridge Christian Church to get the event canceled; the Proud Boys offered the church “extra security.”
            02/19/23—Tempe, AZ—A coffee shop closed down after receiving a bomb threat during their Drag Queen Story Hour. LGBTQ-owned Brick Road Coffee was the target of heavy online harassment after the event caught the attention of the Proud Boys. The bomb threat was sent over the internet. Police confirmed Proud Boys were “in the area” at the time of the event. LINK
            02/18/23—Silver Spring, MD—A drag queen story hour at Loyalty Books was targeted by members of the far-right group the Proud Boys. Protesters reportedly used anti-LGBTQ slurs, including false allegations of grooming, and “graphic accusations.”
            01/31/23—St. Louis, MO—Urban Fort, a play place for children with a cafe for adults has rescheduled and relocated its book reading event for kids with Drag performers due to death threats.
            01/28/23—Princeton, TX—Texas Family Project protests drag show at Deffibaugh Community Center.
            01/21/23—Cokeville, TN—Extremists in white masks stood across from Hix Farm Brewery, held a Nazi flag, and chanted homophobic slurs. They carried signs, reading “Why do they want an audience of children?”—despite the event being open only to those 18 years of age or older.
            01/20/23—Salt Lake City, UT—Proud Boy members protest an all-ages drag show outside Tea Zaanti, a local wine and tea shop.

          26. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            2023 Incidents

            04/08/23—Cottonwood, AZ—At least 10 members of the Proud Boys, some in tactical vests and face masks, protested a sold-out Arizona Pride Tour drag event.
            04/05/23—Pasco, WA—Extremists protest an all-ages Disney-themed drag show.
            04/01/23—Chardon, OH—White nationalist organization the Patriot Front among protesters at a drag brunch at a bar.
            04/01/23—Chesterland, OH—White nationalist organization the Patriot Front among protesters at a Drag Queen Story Hour at a church.
            03/31/23—Chardon, OH—Drag-friendly church firebombed by neo-Nazi.
            03/26/23—Indianapolis, IN—Indy Reads bookstore temporarily closed following a bomb threat targeted the store’s monthly Drag Story Hour.
            03/26/23—Louisville, KY—Protestors and a bomb threat targeting a Drag Queen Story Time show forced the evacuation of a building. The same event faced online threats from a neo-Nazi group.
            03/24/23—Chesterland, OH—The Community Church of Chesterland, which plans to host a Drag Story Hour next Saturday, said its sign and building were vandalized by molotov cocktails Friday night, and that Proud Boys were sending online notices encouraging protests.
            03/22/23—Prestonburg, KY—An all-ages drag show was canceled after organizers and supporters said they faced online threats of armed protest.
            03/22/23—Tuscon, AZ—Bookmans Northwest location postponed its Drag Story Hour after a campaign by The Bridge Christian Church to get the event canceled; the Proud Boys offered the church “extra security.”
            02/19/23—Tempe, AZ—A coffee shop closed down after receiving a bomb threat during their Drag Queen Story Hour. LGBTQ-owned Brick Road Coffee was the target of heavy online harassment after the event caught the attention of the Proud Boys. The bomb threat was sent over the internet. Police confirmed Proud Boys were “in the area” at the time of the event. LINK
            02/18/23—Silver Spring, MD—A drag queen story hour at Loyalty Books was targeted by members of the far-right group the Proud Boys. Protesters reportedly used anti-LGBTQ slurs, including false allegations of grooming, and “graphic accusations.”
            01/31/23—St. Louis, MO—Urban Fort, a play place for children with a cafe for adults has rescheduled and relocated its book reading event for kids with Drag performers due to death threats.
            01/28/23—Princeton, TX—Texas Family Project protests drag show at Deffibaugh Community Center.
            01/21/23—Cokeville, TN—Extremists in white masks stood across from Hix Farm Brewery, held a Nazi flag, and chanted homophobic slurs. They carried signs, reading “Why do they want an audience of children?”—despite the event being open only to those 18 years of age or older.
            01/20/23—Salt Lake City, UT—Proud Boy members protest an all-ages drag show outside Tea Zaanti, a local wine and tea shop.

          27. Carol J BOVA Avatar
            Carol J BOVA

            Troll, you missed my point and again are conflating two different sets of facts: Because parents with Conservative views don’t want their children exposed to the Drag Queen lifestyle does not make them white nationalists, nazis, or any other extremist group.
            Another point you overlook is that historically, Drag Queens are gay men.

          28. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “Because parents with Conservative views don’t want their children exposed to the Drag Queen lifestyle does not make them white nationalists, nazis, or any other extremist group.”

            I never said they were. I said the Nazis have joined (and maybe leading) the anti-trans movement. It is clear that they have in a significant way.

            “Another point you overlook is that historically, Drag Queens are gay men.”

            Sorry, Carol, but I am not clear on how this is relevant (if true). Could you explain, please?

          29. CJBova Avatar
            CJBova

            It’s not an anti-trans movement. Let me direct you to the National Center for Transgender Equality for another view of drag. https://transequality.org/issues/resources/understanding-drag

            “Today, many prominent drag artists are still people who identify as men and present themselves in exaggeratedly feminine ways as part of their performance, and are known as drag queens. While some drag queens live their lives as men outside of their drag personae, people of any gender can be drag queens…
            As part of their performance, many drag queens and kings have a separate drag persona in addition to the self they live as every day… This does not mean they are transgender.”

      2. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Only the disapproval of society can decide. No law or courts can decide. Misinformation can be challenged. Hate beliefs not so much.

    2. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      So the DNC sent some of its Antifa Youngkin bus people to Columbus?

    3. WayneS Avatar
      WayneS

      From yesterday in Columbus OH, a reminder of what BR is fighting for….

      No one, and I mean no one can be as dense as you are pretending to be.

      There is a HUGE difference between supporting the free-speech rights of an organization and supporting the organization itself, much less “fighting” for that organization.

      Then again, maybe I am wrong. Maybe you really don’t understand the difference.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Personal attack aside. I have been very clear about to what I was referring. Again, those Nazis were there protesting Drag Queens whose same 1st amendment rights are being attacked by the Right. Nazis over Drag Queens is not where I think we should be going.

        1. CJBova Avatar
          CJBova

          Observation and speculation, not attack.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            If you say so…

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Deny the controversy they seek; they’ll go away.

    Cringy fringy whingy.
    (Uh yep, new word and I like it)

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Deny the controversy they seek; they’ll go away.

    Cringy fringy whingy.
    (Uh yep, new word and I like it)

    1. WayneS Avatar
      WayneS

      I think the Brits may have beaten you to the punch on whingy. They use it as an informal adjectival form of the verb whinge.

  6. Tom Blau Avatar
    Tom Blau

    If “the left provides fresh troops to every freshman class,” how? Well, virtually every college freshman has just shared an experience, namely K-12, so look there. If K-12 “prepares” students with (A) approved thought (what to think), it conflicts with (B) testing competing ideas (how to think). Having been thus “prepared” for college (like a battlefield “prepared” by artillery?) they will be ripe for manipulation by slogans and ready to join “fresh troops.” See recent arguments over the history & social studies SOLs.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Channeling Rodney King… “Yes. Yes, we can all get along…”
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-unlikely-creatures-seen-sharing-151931138.html

  8. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Is BR woke (sensitive to conservative thoughts and values) and radicalized in its view of, for example, DEI? Is BR’s ideology based upon righteousness of its view? Was it already radicalized prior to its first appearance?

    1. CJBova Avatar
      CJBova

      McCarthy, you know this statement makes no sense at all? “Woke” is a progressive, leftist position. Radicalized has no connection to the issues, and something can’t happen before it appears. How about getting back on topic? Further such excursions will be deleted as off topic.

  9. James A. Bacon Avatar
    James A. Bacon

    Eric the half troll writes: “Below I am showing the dichotomy of how the Right is shutting down the free speech of drag queens while promoting the free speech of Nazis.”

    No, Eric, the Right is not trying to shut down the free speech of drag queens. Drag queens have been doing shows in nightclubs for decades without a peep from conservatives. They are totally free to express themselves as they wish — whether in nightclubs, or public parades, or suburban malls — and adults are totally free to watch them. What conservative parents object to is drag queen story hours in which their children are exposed without parental consent to drag queens in school settings and public libraries.

    If you want to make a valid parallel, you’d have to compare drag queen story hours not to Nazis marching in Sokie, Ill., parades but to swastika-adorned Nazis reading to little children in public schools whatever it is that Nazis read to little children. Would you object to banning Nazi-sponsored events from public schools?

    If parents were informed about drag-queen-story-hour events and their children were allowed to opt out, my opposition would somewhat diminish. But I would still object to an aggressive and ideologically driven intrusion into school activities.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar
      M. Purdy

      “What conservative parents object to is drag queen story hours in which their children are exposed without parental consent to drag queens in school settings and public libraries.” The law actually bans performance on any public property, or private property where it can be viewed by a minor. The definitions in the law are over-broad and vague (intentionally so) and include male/female impersonators, which would sweep up a lot of things like performances of plays in public theaters. My guess is that the law won’t survive a facial challenge, and certainly not ‘as applied.’ Again, I’m struck by the lack of consistency in your position on the First Amendment. This is a no brainer challenges for FA advocacy organizations, which is why the law was blocked by a federal judge on Friday from going into effect.

      1. WayneS Avatar
        WayneS

        The law actually bans performance on any public property, or private property where it can be viewed by a minor.

        Assuming that is the case, I think it goes quite a ways too far. I understand the desire to keep “drag queens” and similar acts/performances out of elementary schools and public library programs for that age group. However, I think banning them from all public property, and even private property, is more than a couple of steps into violation of free speech.

        1. M. Purdy Avatar
          M. Purdy

          https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Bill/SB0003.pdf

          1. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            Thank you.

            To be clear, I was not questioning your veracity, I was merely leaving room for error.

          2. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            Yep, appreciate it. Just wanted to pass on the actual statute so folks can see for themselves. Thanks.

      2. CJBova Avatar
        CJBova

        Since when are children’s story hours considered performances?

        1. WayneS Avatar
          WayneS

          Girl, everything is a performance and the world is your stage when you’re a drag queen!

          Or so I’ve been told…

          😉

        2. M. Purdy Avatar
          M. Purdy

          If the statute were written about children’s story hours, it might be less problematic. It’s not; it’s very broad and ambiguous.

        3. WayneS Avatar
          WayneS

          Girl, everything is a performance and the world is your stage when you’re a drag queen!

          Or so I’ve been told…

          😉

          1. Carol J BOVA Avatar
            Carol J BOVA

            *G* How could I forget that? I’ve been away from Philly, NYC and LA too long.

        4. WayneS Avatar
          WayneS

          Girl, everything is a performance and the world is your stage when you’re a drag queen!

          Or so I’ve been told…

          😉

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      But this is okay.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dame_Edna_Everage

      1. WayneS Avatar
        WayneS

        My only objection to that comedic act is that it is not funny (in my opinion, of course).

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          https://assets-varnish.triblive.com/2021/06/3922620_web1_ptr-JamieFarr-060821.jpg

          1. Tom B Avatar
            Tom B

            Appropriate. Klinger was crossdressing to prove he was mentally unbalanced.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            And… it didn’t work.

          3. Tom B Avatar
            Tom B

            Monty Python predicted it all.

            https://youtube.com/shorts/jc5RWtGAMyk?feature=share

        2. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          I thought she was sort of like Mad Magazine, often holding up a fun house mirror to many of our cultural oddities. Not always laugh out loud funny but often insightful.

          1. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            I guess I can see that.

    3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “No, Eric, the Right is not trying to shut down the free speech of drag queens.”

      JAB, The mainstream Right has enacted legislation that restricts the rights of transsexuals in the public space and that legislation has even been defended by some here on BR. I have seen none here say anything whatsoever about restricting the rights of Nazis in the public space… quite the opposite.

      My characterization was 100% on point. Yours was not.

      But let’s follow your example as well:

      “What conservative parents object to is drag queen story hours…”

      A transsexual person reads a story book to children. You equate that to Nazis reading to children in full swastikas. You think that transsexuals are as vile as Nazis…? Sorry, I really can’t agree with you there.

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