Want to Cut Costs? Start by Slashing Subsidies for Sorry-Ass College Students

Not only is the cost of a college education may be escalating without let-up, it’s pretty clear that students are not getting any more for their money. A new book, co-written by University of Virginia sociology professor Josipa Roksa, paints an alarming picture of what’s going on in higher education today.

In research for the book, “Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses,” Roksa and New York University sociologist Richard Arun tracked more than 2,000 students between fall 2005 and spring 2009 at 24 different colleges and universities. The colleges ranged from highly selective to less selective. Sums up a McClatchy newspaper acccount:

Forty-five percent of students made no significant improvement in their critical thinking, reasoning or writing skills during the first two years of college, according to the study. After four years, 36 percent showed no significant gains in these so-called “higher order” thinking skills.

Combining the hours spent studying and in class, students devoted less than a fifth of their time each week to academic pursuits. By contrast, students spent 51 percent of their time — or 85 hours a week — socializing or in extracurricular activities.

This is a scandal of massive proportions. American universities beg non-stop for mo’ money — money from the taxpayers, money from alumni, money from students and their parents. As documented on this blog, their costs have gone through the roof — much of it for bloated administrative costs. While the higher ed lobby depicts itself on the side of the angels, it is totally unaccountable. Not only that, but it is failing in its core mission — educating students.

Given the deplorable state of affairs documented in “Academically Adrift,” parent shelling out hard-earned money for tuition is a fool not to ask the tough questions. Are their children actually getting an education, or are parents blowing $80,000 to $200,000 for their hedonist offspring to party for four (or five) years?

Taxpayers should demand answers as well. How many kids are graduating on time? If subsidized tuitions are justified on the basis of social benefits — we all benefit when the general education level rises — we need to ask, how much are students really benefiting? Is it possible that the gains to society stem mainly from educating the two-thirds of the students who work hard and manage to learn something? Could we be wasting our money on the other third?

With our budgetary backs to the wall, we especially need to ask the tough questions here in Virginia. Yesterday, Gov. Bob McDonnell rolled out the “Preparing for the Top Jobs of the 21st Century” higher education initiative. The plan is to spend millions of dollars, in the governor’s words, “[to] enable our institutions to meet the goal of issuing an additional 100,000 degrees over the next 15 years, making Virginia one of the most highly educated states in the nation.”

One hundred thousand more degrees? That’s nearly 7,000 extra degrees a year.

Before I launch into McDonnell’s logic, let me say in his defense that the initiative does contain a number of measures to ensure that state universities deliver their educational services more efficiently, including “the use of greater technology, year round facilities usage and innovative and economical degree paths.” It’s not a total give-away. But we ought to be pushing state colleges to continually improve their productivity in any case. Relentless efforts to drive down costs should be a given, not used to help sell more spending.

What I question is the assumption that we need to add another 100,000 degrees over the next 15 years. Where did that number come from? Did the higher ed lobby cook it up? On the assumption that the vast majority of students who could benefit from higher ed are getting a college degree anyway, what will these additional 100,000 students gain from the college experience? I’m willing to concede that Virginia institutions deliver more bang for the buck than most other universities, but that’s not enough for me. Why should Virginia taxpayers be subsidizing students who skip half their classes and get drunk five nights a week at the frat house? We don’t have unlimited dollars to spend on kids whose most vivid memories of college are getting wasted and puking on the floor. We need to bring costs under control. And demanding more from the student population — study or leave — sounds like a good place to start!

Before the General Assembly passes this bill, legislators should invite Ms. Roksa to testify about what she found. I would be surprised if she draws the same public policy conclusions that I do, but even so, I think lawmakers would get an earful.


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83 responses to “Want to Cut Costs? Start by Slashing Subsidies for Sorry-Ass College Students”

  1. I think you can make the argument that Higher Education, just like K-12 education, is based on a 20th Century model that isn't very productive by today's standards.

    Ten years out of college, I don't hesitate to tell younger folks to seriously think about other alternatives besides a traditional 4-year degree. Especially if you will need thousands of dollars in loans to get it.

    Some degrees are worth it, some aren't. I think what we have now is more people graduating with degrees that ultimately aren't worth what they cost it in the long run.

    So, more degrees is fine but more degrees in the right areas needs to be the goal.

  2. Post-secondary education of the University kind – as opposed to the Community Colleges has become a giant bloated, festering scab of a scam

    and it has corrupted our K-12 education system also

    because the parents of kids who are on a "college track' have turned the K-12 school system into a college resume curriculum – that has virtually nothing to do with the academic knowledge necessary to succeed at a job in today's global job market.

    We "graduate" college-bound kids who have all the right things on their college entrance application but many are barely literate in the ability to read and understand and articulate concepts related to science and math – technology.

    But as long as the kid got a 3.5 in high school and can thread the needle in college around the "tough" courses and graduate .. that is the goal.

    only problem i – as RBV point out – employers who want quality-educated employees have caught on to this SCAM.

    Art Appreciation and the like will NOT get you a job at Oracle NOR at Goldman-Sachs.

    Two places where kids get the knowledge now days for real jobs are Community Colleges (for 1/10th the cost of the Universities) and – of all places – the Military – which actually has tougher entrance tests than people imagine and the average soldier must learn to use technology and when they get out – they can then go to a trade school or get a job in law enforcement.

    The four University tracks that can pan out for kids are:

    1. – a hard science path

    2. – an MBA path

    3. – sports scholarship that leads to post-school employment

    4. – teaching – yes… look around at your own county and see how many teachers your country employs relative to the next biggest employer.

    But I am totally shocked at how many kids today – really have no idea that not all "career paths" are really career paths any more.

    And the Universities now days have huge numbers of "administrative" folks who are overpaid and do little real work – are basically personnel apparatus for the pieces and parts of the academic "machine" …

  3. Its the college administrators that are the problem. The state government got rid of its oversight and you have the corporate welfare whores taking over.

    http://www.oregonhill.net/2009/01/13/no-alternatives/

    http://www.oregonhill.net/2010/03/03/cary-street-parking-changes-considered/

  4. I tend to agree with Scott. The students are basically taking advantage of what the folks who should be doing oversight – have failed in their responsibility.

    There's a bill in the GA to force K-12 schools to spend a minimum percentage on instruction and there are already howls.

    I think they should expand it to the Universities and tie it to their funding.

    If you meet the marks for Administration and Instruction – you get 100% of the funds.

    If you don't you suffer the consequences.

  5. Anonymous Avatar

    From this post I guess that Bacon's children have graduated.

  6. Gooze Views Avatar
    Gooze Views

    A little too much on the "tut-tut" here.
    If the kids are blowing public grant or tuition aid money, it should obviously be cut if they do not achieve a gpa level or other measurement of success.
    But on a level, this really isn't any of the researchers' or Jim Bacon's business. If the kids are paying their way and are scoring low, but acceptable, grades, then it is not our concern. It may be to the schools' admissions officers. Also, some very bright kids end up having true psychological problems when they finally get to college. SOme are burnt out by hustling high school to GET to college. Others cannot deal with being away from home for the first time and get into drugs or alcohol. The issue is, for how long? Remember, these are people who are half child and half adult. Patience is needed to get them through — not some kind of right-wing hard-assed talk as if they are some kind of errant and lazy government worker.

    Peter Galuszka

  7. Peter, again, I am not blaming the students so much as the administrators who have been playing empire.

  8. James A. Bacon Avatar
    James A. Bacon

    Anonymous, I have three kids — two have graduated, one's in middle school. So what?

    Peter, as always, I can count on you to defend the statist status quo. Keep pouring more money into a dysfunctional institute and refuse to hold anyone accountable!!

    By the way, it *is* my business, and the researcher's when state taxpayers are subsidizing the tuition for public schools and when the federal government is spending record tens backing up tens of billions of dollars on student loans, in many cases to students who are getting no added value from their college degree and will have a hard time paying it back.

  9. I had a student that wanted to be an engineer. Maybe I mentioned that here once. Anyway, the first semester started out promising then nose dived into parties and fun about half way through. Result was a recalculation of life experiences without Dad paying. It's been two years and apparently the student has figured out that humping drinks at the local dance club isn't as appealing as it seemed. So now we take a new step forward.

    McD's strategy seems based on the 1960's concept of body count. Tactically it increases the demand for symbolic body bags as students become cannon fodder for ill defined educational goals.

  10. Anonymous Avatar

    Mr. Bacon:

    A very good post on one small sliver of ‘THE PROBLEM.’

    You are right about slackers in colleges and the crimes of college administrators. More on that below.

    But first:

    A. On an individual basis almost NO ONE is REALLY working hard.

    Society has become dysfunctional cabal of slackers and swindlers coned into thinking that frantic activity is ‘working.” Many are racing as hard as the can to ‘keep up’ but keeping up with what? Their email messages? Their favorite entertainment? Trying to overcome to impact of their bad location choices?

    Someone recently said the US has become a nation of whiners with an their inflated sense of entitlement. That may be too kind.

    B. In organizations (what Prof. Risse calls Organizations – Agencies, Enterprises, Institutions and Households) no one is paying their fair share of that they are receiving (and / or expecting) from one another. The economy has become a multi level gambling casino with more and more losers.

    C. Collectively, humans are drawing down Natural Capital at an alarming and unsustainable rate. It is not just the rich but the poor as well who are insuring that in the near future everyone will FAR poorer and there will be far fewer who can survive to live on the scraps left by Mass OverConsumption.

    And the A, B & Cs of this has to do with the illusion that it is possible to GROW out of Mass OverConsumption.

    Now about colleges:

    Dr. Risse has a good prescription for schools: An appropriate level of education Agency for each level of human settlement pattern component.

    Fairly allocate cost and combine education, work and travel at every level beyond the sixth grade. Education and work needs to be a year-around activity.

    To fully participate in a technologically advanced Urban society every citizen needs to have a broad education. But that should come from Community colleges, not from get away from home so we can play ‘undergraduate’ factories. There are plenty of under employed citizens with credentials to teach (and learn) Aristotle and Mill, Lorenzetti and Klee, Mozart and Borodin, plus anthropology, sociology, psychology, history and economics as well as biology, chemistry, physics and mathematics in Community colleges. Business Administration should come from administering economic activities, now from a book.

    Most go to college because the data show they will earn more with a degree and so they will have more money to play with.

    Institutions of higher learning have become institutions run by the inmates as anyone who has graduated from several Universities knows well.

    I feel better now.

    Give em hell Mr. Bacon.

    Observer

  11. If you are not drawing down natural capital, what do you do with it, let it sit?

    Assuming that you will run out, why does it matter WHEN?

  12. Same argument for cutting costs.

    You got something better to spend the money on, or you just plan on taking it out of the economy?

  13. I was only a good student in college, but I figured I was making an A in life, carrying more than a full course load and working full time.

    I wasn't particularly impressed with my deans list friends with straight A's (all three of them) and driving a sports car. But, some of them outperformed me financially, thanks to daddy's connections.

    There are two issues here. How do the kids turn out? What do schools have to do with it?

    Both hard to measure. Observer/EMR seem to think kids can be happy and consume much less. Bacon and EMR seem to think they had better be happy consuming less, since there wont be any. (Or conservationists will succeed in putting it out of bounds, with functionally the same result.)

    Maybe they are correct, and we are not measuring success correctly. The way to fix that is to create a bunch of new property rights, and let the market put a price on them.

    Put a tmdl on college partying, and give every student equal party chits. Think of them as pollution rights. Serious students can sell their unused chits, and still enjoy some stimulating social life.

  14. Jeez, after graduating from a couple, one would think you would figure it out and break the habit. What happened? Scholarship pay more than the available jobs?

  15. One fifth of time on academic pursuits seems a lot. One spends half the time sleeping, eating and grooming, plus traveling.

    That makes one fifth close to 40% of available time.

  16. If no one is paying their fair share, where does it all come from, and who, exactly, is being cheated?

  17. Evidence suggests that we will have more people, not fewer, and they will be richer, not poorer, unless we have, or cause, some cdatsstrphic event that results in a mass die-off.

    If that happens everyone who survives will be far richer, not far poorer.

    I don't see the problem, either way.

  18. " On an individual basis almost NO ONE is REALLY working hard.

    Society has become dysfunctional cabal of slackers and swindlers fervently believing that SHOWING frantic activity conveys a sense to others that they are .. ‘working.”

    Someone recently said the US has become a nation of whiners with an their inflated sense of entitlement. That may be too kind."

    yes… and exceptionally jealous of anyone else getting more of te booty than themselves…

    we teach the kids this now.

    we train them in this ethic.

  19. We rank almost dead last in the G20 in English, Math and Science literacy – the ability to think critically about real world challenges and to be able to read, understand and articulate technological concepts.

    The only kids who get this are some of the ones on AP tracks that are bound for schools that specialize in hard science curricula.

    In fact, we are starting to see more and more people – anti-science, almost Luddite.

    Most of the rest of the world believes we do have a problem with global warming.

    In this country – we blame the scientists – not yet one or two – a worldwide conspiracy of scientists trying to stampede the world so as the scientists can become rich liberals as a result.

  20. Gooze Views Avatar
    Gooze Views

    Jim,
    "Peter, as always, I can count on you to defend the statist status quo. Keep pouring more money into a dysfunctional institute and refuse to hold anyone accountable!!"

    I hardly see how trying to be compassionate and understanding with teenagers and early adults is "refusing to hold anyone accountable" or is "statist."

    Once again, I fail to see why college bound 18-year-olds have to know immediately what their career path will be and how they should be robots trying to quickly enter a labor force dictated by someone else's planning.

    Jim, you sort of sound like Amy Chua, the author whose work on overreaching Asian mothers — "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother" — is getting quite a bit of attention.

    As Janet Maslin of the New York Times writes: "What kind of mother throws her 3-year-old out in the cold ("You can't stay in the house if you don't listen to Mommy.") Or complains that her pet rabbits aren't smart enough? ("They were unintelligent and not at all what they claim to be.") Or, memorably, makes her two daughters' music lessons so grueling that one girl leaves tooth marks on the piano?"

    Please don't tak this personally, I know for a fact you are a kind, compassionate father, but I am trying to make a point. How far should American parents go in aping Asians or Russians or other overarching hyper-achievers? Is life just about getting into a good grad school or a job that eco-planners decide is important and sustainable?

    I would hope college, and life in general, is broader than that.

    Peter Galuszka

  21. Anonymous Avatar

    I am not sure I understand this thread at all.

    Let's see. (1) Partying in school is a new phenomenon. Gee, you people obviously did not attend college when I did in end 1960s and beginning of 1970s.

    (2) Students taking crib courses to improve GPAs. I seemed to have done that as well.

    The issue is the appointment of college leadership that many times come through the ranks of college professors so they have insulated their entire lives from real world experiences and having to meet real budgets. So instead of ridiculing students who are doing everything we did and by the way if you asked my dad, he would say he did the same thing. He dropped me at college with the following advice–"when you think you are doing something, just remember that I did the same thing, only the names and the dates are changed."

    So, why don't they put a freeze on state contributions? Oh wait, that worked so well under Warner and Kaine–costs went up for students and parents. What they didn't do is freeze college tuition at the same time and require reports from the colleges to identify how cost savings were realized. Also, during the same period, they could cap the amount that colleges use from donations to no more than the previous year.

    It is like we always fight about in the US budget. You can cut taxes and "spending increases" but unless you control the debt ceiling as well, we will never be forced to make real choices.

    With my scenario, it would be interesting to see what the spending priorities are of the colleges.

    By the way, I paid my own way through college at an out of state college (tuition and living expenses). I also put 3 kids through college and got not one grant. Oh and one is a doctor, one has masters and one is graduating.

  22. Parties and crib courses have been around a while – agreed.

    but we do not live in a 1960's world anymore.

    We live in a world where the jobs of 1960 are going away and crib courses need to be the 2011 variety.

    If PAPA/MAMA have a ton of money to let dear son/daughter lounge their way through college – more power to them.

    But when we have serious budget issues and you want a subsidy to do that – the rules have changed.

    We don't need a "freeze" on college funding but we need to remember that colleges are not ENTITLED to any/all funding to spend as they please even if it is on professors offering crib courses and administrators who keep track of how many PHDs they have on staff.

    " It is like we always fight about in the US budget. You can cut taxes and "spending increases" but unless you control the debt ceiling as well, we will never be forced to make real choices."

    where do you think the debt and it's "ceiling" comes from?

    It comes from deficit spending in part on more and higher subsidizes for higher education.

    In Va – we shortchange highways and health care for kids and adults with mental health needs so we can keep UVA and company well lubricated with funds – for students who party and take crib courses, eh?

  23. " By the way, I paid my own way through college at an out of state college (tuition and living expenses). I also put 3 kids through college and got not one grant. Oh and one is a doctor, one has masters and one is graduating."

    If you paid full boat – you must be rich or you ended up eating beans -either way I congratulate you…

    … but colleges are subsidized IN ADDITION to the tuition they charge – and THAT is the problem that is being complained about.

    Every year they get more public funding AND every year they increase tuition – which makes it even harder for those of modest means to attend.

  24. "Once again, I fail to see why college bound 18-year-olds have to know immediately what their career path will be and how they should be…."

    Well, they don't have much time to figure it out….that's part of the problem. Four years is not a long time.

    Plus there is still a stigma that the local CC and the Military are "not as good" as a traditional 4-year school – wrong!

    Kids pick a major, get 1/2 way through it then for whatever reason, figure out it's not for them….not a big deal if your not the one paying for it….otherwise it's a costly mistake over the long-haul if you are paying back loans.

    What's all this mean?

    If you don't know what you want to do AND you don't have the money, don't go.

    LarryG is correct, go to the local CC or consider the Military.

  25. " If you don't know what you want to do AND you don't have the money, don't go"

    OR if you insist – then don't expect taxpayers to fund your non-purposeful approach to your "career".

    Kids who actually plan on doing SOMETHING in life post-education – often are taking the core and advanced academic courses in high school and continue with the freshmen/sophomore career-track foundation courses.

    If you don't have this much of a plan to start with and you're graduated from high school an still don't know and have not taken a solid foundation curricula in high school then you are a candidate for the military or community college.

    Both are much cheaper and allow that contemplation time that some of us do need.

    The military is actually an excellent deal – for those that qualify; they do have an entrance test and my understanding is that even high school graduates routinely fail it.

    One of the biggest NON-TAXPAYER funded education entities is the tutoring companies and their most popular product offering is the prep for the Armed Services Test.

    Fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, increasing numbers of young marrieds who did not go to college are having one of them join the Armed Services …for…. TRICARE for their families….

    how's that for taxpayer-subsidized health care?

    join up to become cannon fodder and get free health care for your family… and of course lifetime health care if you get disabled in the line of duty.

    we have a screwed up country these days in many ways and by itself being screwed up is neither here nor there – until you realize how many people are seeking "entitlements" from taxpayers..whether it be subsidized college tuition or subsidized training in the military or subsidized family health care from the military.

  26. and while we are at it – let's not leave out k-12 education as heavily subsidized by taxpayers.

    We spend twice as much per student as most industrialized countries in the G20 yet we score dead last in the G20 education assessments.

    When you look at how much it costs to educate a student in American schools – it's on to 10K and more – yet look at your own property taxes in Va and tell me how much you pay.

    If you have ONE kid – do you pay anywhere NEAR what the actual cost is to educate him/her?

    and WHY does it cost so much more here than other countries if we don't even produce a competitively-educated high school graduate?

    Our Middle and High schools have become 1/10th core academic and 9/10th anything even remotely connected with "education" – "fully funded" by taxpayers – to the tune of 10K per kid.

    That's 120K per kid before they even darken the doors of college.

    It's enough to make even those who fervently believe in the concept of publically-funded education to seriously question just what in the name of DOODA are we doing cuz it sure as hell is not cost effective in the extreme.

  27. Anonymous Avatar

    "If you paid full boat – you must be rich or you ended up eating beans -either way I congratulate you…"

    I can assure you that it was eating the beans and still am. We all have our priorities and mine was not to be strapping my parents who had 4 kids in college at the same time. I was able to fund it because I had worked since I was about 10 (paper route) and then gas stations and the like at 14. And I worked most days and every weekend. I could still fit in partying by the way. Don't forget I was talking 1960s-1970s. With today's rates, I would imagine it would be almost impossible.

    In my own 3 kids cases, I may have paid tuition but for the most part they took care of the living expenses. I didn't pay for post graduate school by the way. That is my kids' responsibility.

    My suggestion for freezing things is to force college administrators to make real choices about budgets and to make the freezes count. With the reports of the method for savings, one would easily see if an administrator is leaving administrative staff alone and letting professors go. Right now, it doesn't appear that there is any incentive to hold costs down.

  28. " My suggestion for freezing things is to force college administrators to make real choices about budgets and to make the freezes count"

    I'm on board with the sentiments but I've "graduated" to the school of "freezes don't work".

    We already have a "freeze" of sorts in Va. It's called the Constitutional requirement to balance the annual budget.

    That is what "forces" choices.

    The problem is that the higher education lobby is strong and our legislators are weak and give multiple "needy" priorities, it seems to me that the higher ed people prevail the majority of the time.

    That's why I have "graduated" to the school of offering incentives for performance measures and cost-effectiveness.

    That then gives administrators every reason to go after more money….. and many will…

    call it Virginia's higher ed version of the "Race to the TOP".

    We also need to define how much is "enough".

    The answer right now is whatever they can squeeze out of the GA – no matter how much they really "need".

    All they do is going out and hire more people when they get more money… basically…

    and there is o real way to measure what more money is returning on investment.

    Out of the last 5 governors, only this way is showing some signs of trying to "measure" what we get for the money …and when we are wasting money.

  29. Hey Darrell – thanks for the post!

    Here's another:

    " In Florida, Virtual Classrooms With No Teachers"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/education/18classrooms.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

    excerpts:

    " MIAMI — On the first day of her senior year at North Miami Beach Senior High School, Naomi Baptiste expected to be greeted by a teacher when she walked into her precalculus class.

    “All there were were computers in the class,” said Naomi, who walked into a room of confused students. “We found out that over the summer they signed us up for these courses.”

    Naomi is one of over 7,000 students in Miami-Dade County Public Schools enrolled in a program in which core subjects are taken using computers in a classroom with no teacher. A “facilitator” is in the room to make sure students progress. That person also deals with any technical problems.

    These virtual classrooms, called e-learning labs, were put in place last August as a result of Florida’s Class Size Reduction Amendment, passed in 2002. The amendment limits the number of students allowed in classrooms, but not in virtual labs.

    The online courses are provided by Florida Virtual School, which has been an option in the state’s public schools. The virtual school has provided online classes for home-schooled and traditional students who want to take extra courses. Students log on to a Web site to gain access to lessons, which consist mostly of text with some graphics, and they can call, e-mail or text online instructors for help.

    Theresa Sutter, a member of the Parent Teacher Student Association at Miami Beach Senior High School, said she thought her daughter, Kelly, was done with virtual classes after she finished Spanish the previous year at home.

    When Kelly said that she had been placed in a virtual lab, Ms. Sutter recalled her “jaws dropped.” Neither of them had been told that Kelly would be in one.

    “It’s totally different from what classroom teaching is like, so it’s a completely different animal,” Ms. Sutter said.

    Under the state’s class-reduction amendment, high school classrooms cannot surpass a 25-student limit in core subjects, like English or math. Fourth- through eighth-grade classrooms can have no more than 22 students, and prekindergarten through third grade can have no more than 18.

    “None of them want to be there,” Alix said, “and for virtual education you have to be really self-motivated. This was not something they chose to do, and it’s a really bad situation to be put in because it is not your choice.”

    School administrators said that they had to find a way to meet class-size limits.

    ….In certain subjects, the virtual labs were necessary because “there’s no way to beat the class-size mandate without it.”

    Some teachers are skeptical of how well the program can help students learn.

    “The way our state is dealing with class size is nearly criminal,” said Chris Kirchner, an English teacher at Coral Reef Senior High School in Miami. “They’re standardizing in the worst possible way, which is evident in virtual classes.”

    But Michael G. Moore, a professor of education at Pennsylvania State University, said programs that combine virtual education and face-to-face instruction could be effective. This is called the “blended learning concept.”

    see the link for the rest.

    so my question is – why can't both High School and College students learn this way without having to have tons of expensive teachers who are always complaining about their lots in life?

    seriously – what is the purpose of a human teacher in this instant information world that we now live in?

    …learn the info – on your own schedule…

    … take the test…

    … get the credit…

    … move on down the road to your career.

  30. " On an individual basis almost NO ONE is REALLY working hard. "

    ================================

    That's a good thing, right?

    Why would anyone want to be working HARDER? For the most part we have more than we can possibly consume now. We have gone so far in working smart that working hard is not only no longer a necessity, it is considered dumb.

    In the service we used to call those people who exhibited frantic activity so it would look like they were working "sweat hogs".

  31. " Why would anyone want to be working HARDER?"

    because they took away your subsidies and now you have to work harder?

  32. Nah, not what I mean.

    If I'm doing the smae kind of work I did thirty years ago, I can do it twice as fast with one tenth the effort.

    I've got a photo of my farm with fourteen people, four horses and two trucks, working a field that I do with two people today.

    The field won't produce any more than it did then.

    And I want to work harder because…….?

    Besides, I think it is some kind of social sickness to think that every person has to be 100% gainfully employed.

  33. " Besides, I think it is some kind of social sickness to think that every person has to be 100% gainfully employed. "

    Well.. what kind of social sickness says that you should expect other gainfully employed taxpayers give you money so you do't have to be "gainfully" employed?

    You're talking about productivity of those who actually do work.

    the blog threat is talking about people who are subsidized by others to engage in activities that are not directly productive but rather in preparation for being productive.

    The question is – why should taxpayers subsidize you to learn if you consider "learning" to be purely a personal right of self-determination to include – not learning or not learning a skill that is productive enough for others to pay you for doing it?

    kapische?

    if no one is paying your freight you can carry it any way you want but as soon as others are helping with your load – they want to know why.

  34. James A. Bacon Avatar
    James A. Bacon

    Peter, I don't have a problem with a student who takes an extra semester or two to graduate while they figure out what they want to do with the rest of their life. I *do* have a problem with spoiled, drunken frat boys and addled pot heads who see college as a chance to f*ck off four (or five, or six) years. I knew a number of them at UVa and I can assure you they got nothing out of their college education. They took up space that more deserving kids could have taken advantage of. It's one thing if their parents didn't care. That's their problem. But it's another thing for the taxpayer to pick up the tab for such sorry excuses of humanity.

  35. re; virtual classrooms.

    There are several avenues of thought on computerized classrooms, but from what I've experienced most are just not ready for prime time. I've taken a lot of these type of courses and they range from fair to worthless or boring. The first rule to successful deployment is to realize you are buying an online service, not software. If you get an "AOL" type DVD, you already messed up. The second rule is SME review, with limited test deployments before buying total service. If the students don't like it, what good is it?

    I foresee a revenue stream for universities that could develop and host these services, vice the overpriced commercial products usually available.

    Perhaps cloud computing mod II will address many of the shortcomings of e-training.

  36. Darrell –

    here you go:

    http://www.k12.com/vava/

    http://www.distancelearningprofiles.com/Virginia-Tech.html

    here's a list of K-12 online correspondence courses approved by the State of Virginia:

    http://www.spotsylvania.k12.va.us/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=7oWb9AfJI7U%3d&tabid=5176

    I don't think it's a situation any more of whether the courses are good enough. many are.

    The question is going to be what is the purpose of the PHYSICAL School and classroom because the virtual is fast closing in on getting the curriculum content right.

  37. Here's one thing that should be done.

    Every year, the State of Virginia should send to each matriculating student a Statement of Account.

    it would be a simple accounting of how much they ( or their parents have paid) but it would also include the amount of their share of the taxpayer subsidy given to their school that year broken down to student level.

  38. Congratulations gov.

    Nova is now number one I traffic constipation.

    Meanwhile, as the economic situation improves, traffic has increased six months in a row.

  39. Do you think people are willing to "buy" their way out of congestion?

    We're going to find out soon – the HOT Lanes are going to open within a year or so -right?

  40. I did. I bought a Prius.

    Some people will buy their way out, but HOT lanes are still a SFI foisted on the public at enormous extra and unjustifiable expense. Its a gas tax targeted at the rich.
    Everyone else will still be stuck in congestion, which will still cost the economy the same as before.

    If you believe that additional lanes won't relieve congestion, then you have to believe that HOT lanes won't either. Besides that HOT lanes actually REDUCE car pool use, so they represent truly schizophrenic public policy, as well as a public give away to private interests.

    They are a spectacularly bad idea.

    But, they will raise the value of my house in Alexandria compared to those farther away. They will cripple growth to the south and encourage growth in the west.

    Dumb. Scam.

  41. Groveton Avatar

    "I *do* have a problem with spoiled, drunken frat boys and addled pot heads who see college as a chance to f*ck off four (or five, or six) years. I knew a number of them at UVa and I can assure you they got nothing out of their college education.".

    Yikes!

    I don't remember meeting you at UVA. I must have been drunk at the frat house or addling away in my dorm room that day.

    I definitely enjoyed being in a fraternity at UVA. Maybe the best time of my life.

    But honestly, I can only think of a few classes which taught me anything useful. The computer programming classes, a couple of statistics courses and, most definitely, Larry Petit's GDP class – fundamentally a thesis course in macro-economics.

    As for the others? Calculus? I can probably figure out the area under the arc of the water shooting from the water fountain at work. That might be useful someday. Astronomy? Hanging out on the roof at night during "telescope lab" was a great way to meet babes. Other than that, I don't remember anything from astronomy. Bice psych? Never went to class – too busy getting crushed and/or fried. I hear it was a good course.

    Hell, in retrospect, I wish I would have worked less hard and spent more time at the fraternity house.

    The drunken frat boys and addled pot heads were a lot more fun than the walking Lacoste billboards with names like Biff and Muffy.

    And … funny thing … the drunken frat boys and addled pot heads are today's doctors and CEOs. As for Biff and Muffy … they squandered Daddy's trust fund by snorting it up their noses throughout the 80s as they tried to recapture the f*ck off attitude they should have gotten out of their systems while they were at UVA.

    Party on, JAB!

  42. Groveton Avatar

    Speaking of college …

    Why do the Tennessee Volunteers wear orange uniforms?

    So they can play football on Saturday, hunt on Sunday and do their roadside community service the rest of the week.

    How do you get a graduate of Virginia Tech off your porch?

    Pay him for the pizza.

    How many Berkley students does it take to change a lightbulb?

    Four. One to change the bulb and three to figure out how to get high off the old bulb.

    How many UVA students does it take to change a lightbulb?

    Four. One to change the bulb and three to stand around talking about how good the old bulb was.

  43. James A. Bacon Avatar
    James A. Bacon

    Groveton, seriously, do you expect us to believe that you busted your butt working your entire life *except* college?

    In my experience at UVa, Biff and Muffy were far more likely to be frat boys and girls, and the hardest drinkers were ones who knew that mommy and daddy would take care of them when they graduated.

    I'm not saying that *all* frat kids were screw-offs. And one of my closest friends, who was also one of the smartest and hardest working guys at school I knew, went through a major pot-head phase.

    But my post is not about frat-boy stereotypes. The larger point is this: What's the justification for sending kids to an elite university unless they're going to take advantage of the opportunities presented there? What's the point of spending taxpayer dollars to subsidize the expansion of elite universities for the supposed academic benefits they confer, if more kids just major in Sigma Nu?

    If you got more from hanging around the frat house than from your classes at UVa, then maybe you should have gone to school somewhere else!

  44. Groveton Avatar

    "If you got more from hanging around the frat house than from your classes at UVa, then maybe you should have gone to school somewhere else!".

    Or, maybe I just belonged to a hell of a fraternity.

    In fact, I worked plenty hard at UVA. You just might not have been able to tell that if you saw me on Rugby Rd late one Saturday night.

    Being a "NoVa lifer" I knew a lot of kids who went to UVA. Some I knew in high school. Many are still my friends. A lot of the kids you would have seen as "screw ups" are now leaders in various fields.

    One thing I have noted as my own children go to college is the change in attitude among the administrators. For example, one well known university has a "student writing center". This center is staffed by graduate students who help undergraduate students re-write their term papers. The grad students add structure and clarity as well as correcting grammatical problems. It seems to me that students never really learn how to write well. They just plan on re-writing papers with the help of the "student writing center".

    I know, I know. You are thinking, "Next you'll tell me that you walked to classes uphill both ways barefoot over broken glass". Maybe.

    I've also noticed that number of required classes seems to be reduced.

    Our kids are just as focused as we were. We were just as focused as our parents. However, in their rush to political correctness the professors and administrators may have taken some of the strictness out of the academic discipline.

    As for the party scene over the years, I think it has been reduced at UVA. I remember rolling in the mud during a raucous Easters celebration with tens of thousands of my best friends in Mad Bowl. Those days are over. In fact, my Animal House look-alike fraternity which was falling apart and awash in a sea of beer is now dry by order of the national chapter. The nice furniture and pool table found today in the house would have lasted about 30 minutes when I was there.

    If you need a villain here … look at the administrators not the kids.

  45. Groveton – how much id it cost to go to UVA a year when you went and how much now?

    In what year did you have to designate a major?

    did you know when you entered UVA what you wanted to major in ?

  46. I lived off-campus, so I don't recall having attended a single ollege party during my college career.

    We had some doozies for work related parties, though.

    We pulled an all-nighter doing pro-bono work to repair a boat for a shrimper who was down on his luck. A few weeks later he dropped a ton of shrimp on us, and that was a major feast.

  47. I think I was paying $800 a semester at UNC in 1970.

    I lived and worked in NC for a year to raise money and get in-state tuition. Admissions treated me like dirt, because they knew I was from out of state, but there was nothing they could do since I met the legal requirements.

  48. Actually, I think that was per year, not per semester. If that doubled every ten years it would be $6400, which is close to todays price. But the price doesn't include around $17,000 worth of subsidy.

    I would question how much of that subsidy is for student academics and how much for professor's research.

  49. How many urban planners does it take to change a light bulb?

    Just one, but it takes a long time and the light bulb has to realy WANT to change.

  50. My college years were the best of all worlds. I majored in student union, drank cheap beer every weekend, and by the time they figured out I wasn't really a student it was time for the ship to sail.

  51. Gooze Views Avatar
    Gooze Views

    The report says:

    "Forty-five percent of students made no significant improvement in their critical thinking, reasoning or writing skills during the first two years of college, according to the study. After four years, 36 percent showed no significant gains in these so-called "higher order" thinking skills."

    The problem might start in high school where teachers teach SOL performance to make themselves look better. The standardized placement test craze has been raging for at least two decades now and what we're getting is kids who can take the test but can't think or write. It's all locked up in an incestuous mess including, of all people realtors who want great SOL scores so they can sell higher priced houses in districts with SOL-savvy high schools.

    The Big Bacon ought to examine this.

    Peter Galuszka

  52. I do not think the concept of Standardized Testing has hurt education.

    I think what has hurt education – to use your example – is that the tests don't currently test critical thinking skills much less are the part of the curriculum …but both of these things are true in the G20 countries.

    It's not the test. The test measures and if we don't measure then how do we know if what we are doing is working or not.

    The test does not tell us what to teach – only what to test.

    And the problem is that many people were dragged kicking and screaming to – test.

    In our K-12 schools we do not emphasize science and math ….LITERACY so that kids can read and understand real world problem described in mathematical and scientific terms.

    Nor can they solve problems associated with these issues – so called "word" problems that are so dreaded by both teachers and students that they run away from them – while the G20 countries make these things central to their curriculum.

    so .. blaming the standardized tests is more ignorance about the issues in my view.

    we MUST measure whatever it is that we teach – to know if we are teaching effectively but if we choose to not teach critical thinking skills – then blaming the test makes even less sense.

    The problem is that the world has changed and jobs go to countries with a well-educated workforce – not only higher ed but technology ED and in this country we are miserable at it.

    This is not my opinion. Everyone from the Dept of Education to CEOs of major companies to those who outsource jobs all agree – we not only have overpriced labor but we have poor quality workers.

    We've made education one big scam… where everyone expects entitlements… but few are willing to confront the failure to teach AND TEST critical thinking skills.

  53. James A. Bacon Avatar
    James A. Bacon

    Peter, you raise a good point about the impact of standardized testing in high school. I don't know if standardized testing is a contributing factor or not, but it's a reasonable hypothesis to pursue.

  54. even colleges and the armed forces utilizes "standardized" testing not to mention the G20 countries that place us last in education comparisons.

    I think it's a measure of how badly we are dealing with the issues.

    We blame tests instead of the real reasons why our high schools place last in international comparisons.

    is it the standardized tests that cause this?

    come on guys..

    the tests are showing you the problem… and we want to get rid of the tests so we don't have to deal with the problem.

    If you worry about our deficits … you must also worry about global competitiveness…

    and education is failing us … and instead of dealing with the realities we are blaming tests.

    good god.

  55. Darrell:

    Nice.

    "… its efforts to evade responsibility and gut well settled law to shift liability on to others is deeply troubling. "

    You should not be able to be foreclosed on by someone who does not hold the note. The note itself may be securitized, more than once, but that isn't the borrowers problem.

  56. "The test measures and if we don't measure then how do we know if what we are doing is working or not."

    ================================

    I frankly don't beleive this. I beleive that the ONLY thing you learn from the score on a test — is the score on the test.

    It has zero to do with learning, or thinking.

    I was an above average, but not a superior student, yet on any kind of standard test, I was right at the top. So, I'm a good test taker, beynd that it does not mean a thing. Certainly it never changed my life.

    My observation was that standardized tests were a result of standardized thinking, which makes them easy to decipher.

    My other observation was that non standardized tests were often prone to errors, so the scores were erroneous. And, there is next to zero QC on your average teacher generate high school quiz.

    I don't think the scores mean squat. However, the activity or drill of actually taking the aam is worth something, and scores provide an incentive. Artificial and meaningless incentive probably, but most students don;t know that.

    They think it is going to go in THEIR PERMANENT RECORD. Whoa. My permanent record must be fascinating reading. I wonder how many times it has been checked out?

    The goal is to get an A in life, not school, but we get all wrapped up in school, as if it was important, or something.

  57. Groveton Avatar

    "Groveton – how much id it cost to go to UVA a year when you went and how much now?".

    I don't remember how much it cost back then. I do know that I fairly easily put myself through by working during the school year, over the summer and borrowing $2,500 per year through a VELA loan. I am sure it is much more expensive now – even adjusting for inflation. That's been Jim's point through many articles.

    "In what year did you have to designate a major?".

    My degree had a general major and a mandatory concentration. I had to pick teh general major by the missle of my second (sophmore) year. I had to pick the concentration by the start of my third (junior) year. As it turned out, I added a second concentration by attending summer school between third and fourth years.

    "did you know when you entered UVA what you wanted to major in ?".

    Yes, without a doubt. I knew exactly what I would major in – biology. Then, after I got to UVA I changed my mind. Over and over again.

  58. thanks Groveton!

    yes.. I was trying to understand if UVA (and other) tuition had gone up more than inflation and if it had – does UVA (and the others who have gone up) offer more, better for the money or not.

    I also note that even though you say you "partyied" that you ALSO worked and so you were personally involved in the endeavor and the money required.

    Here's what I'd like to see in Va.

    I'd like to see the Gov make a promise to ANY child that gets a straight B average or better in high school.

    That they WILL be offered a freshman slot at one or more Va-based colleges.

    They may have to take a job.

    It may require a loan a post-college community job for a couple of years, etc.

    It may require 2 yrs in a community college or 2yrs on a remote campus…

    but the guaranteed access in return for good grades.

    In other words – if we are going to use public money for higher Ed – it ought to meet specific purposes that ultimately benefit Virginia taxpayers and Virginia students who work hard in High School.

  59. Larry:

    That seems like a reasonable plan and a reasonable promise. But then, I thought that a promise of three guaranteed administrative lots in exchange for major conservationist concessions was resalable, too. Until the government took the concessions and reneger on its promises.

    I thought thirty years of service at low pay and little discretionary initiative, in exchange for a secure pension was a fair trade, too. Until the pensions were not funded.

    I thought shared road access was a good idea until we decided some people should pay a lot more than other.

    This is where I get on board with tmt.

    You cannot trust government to keep promises.

    We need to fix that.

    If we do that, then deficits are fixed automatically.

  60. I plan on doubling my money every ten years. Based on what I pairs and what NC charges now, so do they.

    I'm not convinced Bacon is correct about tuition hikes.

    My Dean refused to pay me the going rate for running the university print shop, so I left and took a commercial job.

    The first job that hit my inbox was the same job, from the Dean.
    He paid my wages, either way.

    The Guy who replaced me in campus printing got the going wage I fought for.

  61. So, the Dean was willing to pay commrercial rates to get his fancy invitations printed, just not to students.

    They are an underclass, when it comes to work.

  62. If the treatment I encountered was typical, no wonderful kids are overwhelmed.

  63. I do not believe Bacon's analysis is correct. If schools were paying their students as much more as they are charging them, this would not be an issue.

    Instead, it is an object lesson in the rich get richer.

  64. Lets say that the process and exercise of taking a test is worthwhile, and scoring it against your peers is worthwhile for the incentive it offers.

    The logical leap to all peers taking one test and ranking them against all peers and all gets is faulty.

  65. Ray – do you think the drivers license is a standardized test that "ranks" ?

    How about the Armed Forces Entrance Test?

    How about the College Entrance Tests – the Merit Scholar, etc?

    I would agree with the opponents of Standardized testing on the issues of marking them "high stakes", and testing for too much of the "wrong" things' and I'd even agree that some kids (and adults) do not test well.

    but NONE of these things are reasons for NOT MEASURING results

    ESPECIALLY – when we have, at the same time, the idea that teachers need to be rated for their performance.

    I do declare – we have these days a dysfunctional approach to this and many other things….

    where we totally forget what the end purpose is of something as we take pro/con positions towards those overall policies…

    we take opposition positions on the SAME things.

    We argue that teachers need to be measured in their performances and if they don't measure up – fire them.

    in fact.. some want to "measure" scientists who investigate Climate for not doing a "good" job… at it

    but…that – that same idea for students is …. BAD…

    we've become totally dysfunctional..

    peabi

  66. The drivers test is a good example of my point. The test score only matters for itself. You pass or fail. Your drivers ed teacher is not ranked by your test score, nor should he be.

    You don't get cheaper insurance based on your score.

    The test only gives a score and cannot predict what kind of driver you will be.

  67. The college entrance exams are not measuring results, they are predicting future performance.

  68. the test has a passing score an you know from the score – even if you pass how well you did.

    Insurance companies ALSO will lower your rates if you take drivers ED courses.

    The military and other employers will not let you do a job if you fail their test and some tests require almost complete mastery of the material.

    A "D" or even a "C" will not suffice was things like operating passenger-carrying vehicles – like school buses and subways.

    The entire point here is that many employers MEASURE and that they accomplish this with TESTING.

    TESTING is an appropriate way to measure knowledge and skills – enough so it is actually relied on to determine who is qualified (or not).

    If you want a promotion in many police forces or professional fire fighting organizations – you have to pass a test.

    some require you to take courses at colleges an then PASS a test.

    I think (my view) it is downright ignorant to say that tests don't serve a useful purpose and even more ignorant to suggest that measuring is not important.

    We can argue about what makes sense or does not make sense to test – to measure but to argue that testing/measuring is not useful is dumb.

  69. Thomas Sones Avatar
    Thomas Sones

    Mayeb if we put that money into K12 these people would not need to go to college, but would get what they need by high school graduation.

  70. I do not think money alone will fix K-12.

    The problem is that we already spend GOBs of money on things not related to the deficits in part because no one really wants to deal with the deficits – neither the school administrators, nor the teachers, nor the parents, not the kids – because things like "critical thinking" REQUIRE the ability to read a word problem that essentially describe a real-world problem…. understand it and be able to convert it to a solvable math an science problem.

    Giving more money to K-12 without requiring that these deficit be addressed will just lead to more "amenity" courses.

    We have a lot of folks complaining about our failure to compete globally and the folks who are really interested in knowing why – they know this is the problem.

    But we don't want to deal with it.

    The kids "learn" this and they learn that education is just another scam where hard work and perserverence is considered an ethic for dumb asses who don't "get it".

    Most people simply do not like the idea that school – if you are serious about a globally-competitive education is HARD – not easy… and that money alone will not fix it.

  71. Measuring the performance of teachers through standardized tests of their students is unrealistic.

    I had some crummy teachers, why should they get credit for my good test scores?

    My father always taught the slow groups. Why should he be penalized for their lack of ability or their home problems?

  72. Some tests are to determine your fitness to a job…

    but tests in school, especially in the lower grades is to determine what you need help on.

    More and more, in the elementary schools (now days since the advent of NCLB) – effort is being made to identify the kids who are behind (for whatever the reason is) an to get them the help they need to get back on grade level.

    My wife teaches and that's that they are doing now.

    Every kid that is underperforming is now the subject of meetings to determine where they are having trouble and to get them assigne to the appropriate reading (or other) specialist.

    Some kids have issues but others are just behind.

    They might be slow. They might have missed some important days, etc.

    But the environment is not about assigning blame – but dealing with the problem …

    and you'd never be able to do that without testing… to identify the kids that are behind and what specifically their deficits are.

    It's a better way that when we were kids but they are doing this in the face of opposition to testing…

    and that's why I call it ignorant.

    They're trying to help these kids and they need to be tested and we have a bunch of idiots out there that are doing their best to kill the testing.

  73. " To Really Learn, Quit Studying and Take a Test

    Taking a test is not just a passive mechanism for assessing how much people know, according to new research. It actually helps people learn, and it works better than a number of other studying techniques"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/science/21memory.html?src=me&ref=homepage

  74. Yes, tests do help people learn. That is not news. But beyond that, the test score is meaningless. Especially when used to evaluate others.

    I once had a class in which there was a quiz every day, based on the lecture from the previous class. One question, no partial credit: 100% or zero.

    Your course grade was the average of all the quizzes. No mid term, no final.

    You had to show up, and you had to stay focused.

  75. The kids in my fathers class were sociopaths. Nothing was going to change them. Maybe a couple of them made good warriors. Now, they are mostly dead, or in jail.

    I think one is a cop.

  76. The kids need evaluation, and testing is a terrible way to do it.

    I used to taunt my teachers by scoring 85% on an exam and leave the other 15% blank.

    What does a test score like that tell you?

    I knew the score, and the teacher knew the score.

    The test was ignorant because it said 85%. Probably still in my "permanent record".

  77. Why are people apparently driving less?

    "Jobs are moving to office buildings and industrial parks in the suburbs.

    Early growth in driving occurred as people moved to the suburbs and commuted to jobs that remained in “the city” for all the reasons that “the city” grew up in the first place.

    Businesses now find no need to remain crowded together in expensive central office towers so they are moving out to the lands of freeway interchanges, free parking, high quality city services, low crime and high quality labor."

    Comment in Freakonomics.

    ===================================

    Oh yeah, then there is the recession

  78. The most important thing that controls how kids do in school is their parents. How much money they make, how much school they had, etc.

    No amount of spending on schools can fix the parents.

  79. Here's a provocative counter-argument:

    " Is College Tuition Too Low?"

    Mr. Posner writes:

    … there is no case at all from an overall social standpoint for subsidizing students who would pay full college tuition, without the inducement of a subsidy; the subsidy does not induce students to obtain a college education who otherwise would not because they could not afford to; it is a windfall to their families. Private colleges recognize this. They charge very high tuition (though not high enough to cover all their costs—but they have other sources of funds, such as alumni donations), but grant scholarships or loans to students whose families can’t afford the tuition."

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/25/is-college-tuition-too-low/

  80. Anonymous Avatar

    When I hear about American Colleges I hear about the party's, Spring break, sports. I never hear about academics.
    Many jobs that had on the job training even 20 yrs ago now require a college degree.
    When I was in collge I had a teacher who use to work for GM, then he got laid off. So now he is teaching people to work in jobs that no longer exist here in N.A. He doesn't care because he is working. Another person he worked with opened an Employment agency. So instead of a company hiring someone at $15/hr plus benefits the go to the agency and pay $12/hr and no benefits and they can just get a new batch of workers in 6 months.
    I know people who paid thousands of dollars to get a computer degree but because almost everyone knows how to use a pc the wage has dropped to min wage. When I first got hired I was making $18/ hr, now the start wage is down to $10/ hr. Add on to that inflation and you can't get a livable job with a college degree.

  81. re: computers

    that's where innovation is headed these days.

    Not PC's but embedded systems in virtually every field from medicine to education and beyond.

    How many people know how to WRITE A PROGRAM to run on a PC much less write software that runs on embedded systems?

    No that many even though everyone thinks they know how to "operate" a computer.

    Now ask yourself – WHERE in our high schools and colleges does one find a curricula to learn this?

    Only in some of our most advanced higher education schools and virtually none of our high schools.

    And the reason why is that it's a TOUGH field that involves using math and science to solve real world problems that require uber critical thinking skills – skills that are not taught in most of our high schools who instead concentrate on making students memorize stuff they could easily look up on wikipedia if needed.

    How many people KNOW how to PROGRAM a Remote?

    How many people would KNOW how to write the software that operates the remote?

    We have become a lazy nation that has taught our kids that they don't need to learn and that getting into college does not require academic achievement as much as it does good grades by taking courses that are not difficult.

    We want to BLAME everyone but ourselves for our lack of initiative whether it be the kids or the adults or the academic institutions.

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