Voters Still Want Principled, Conservative Policies

I am delighted to introduce a new contributor to Bacon’s Rebellion: Robin Beres, a former editorial writer for the Richmond Times-Dispatch. — JABby Robin Beres

Inauguration Day has come and gone, and President Joe Biden is safely ensconced in the White House. For more than a week now, he has been sitting at the Resolute desk, merrily signing one executive order after another. What exactly is in many of them and how they will impact Virginians remains to be seen.

But for now, there is hope that the long, national slugfest we endured during President Donald Trump’s four years in office will end. Biden’s inaugural words calling for unity hit the right tones. It was full-throated and patriotic — and sounded reassuringly like a speech from a well-seasoned statesman rather than a feeble old man. We can only pray his remarks hold true.

And, for now at least, most of the protests that marked 2020 appear to have stopped (except in places like Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, where unrest and rioting have become near-daily occurrences). On Inauguration Day, in a locked-down Washington, D.C. — to all appearances under martial law — there was none of the looting, destruction, or cry-ins we saw during Trump’s 2016 Inauguration.

With nearly 26,000 gun-toting National Guardsmen present, there were no further acts of insurrection such as happened at the U.S. Capitol on January 6. Never has the nation seen such a dreadful exhibition of anarchy and, hopefully, we never will again. The entire episode was repulsive.

Rather than serving to realize the misguided hopes of Trump supporters that Congress could — or would — overturn the results of November’s election, the deadly insurrection served only to severely damage the right’s image.

The riot infuriated Americans and handily ceded the moral high ground to the left. As a result, several progressive voices have suggested it may be necessary to “deprogram” all 74.2 million Americans who supported Trump. In the aftermath of the Capitol calamity, even some conservative commentators such as National Review’s Kevin Williamson dashed off post-mortem columns on the demise of the GOP.

However, it might be a bit premature to count the Republican Party out. On a federal level, the party may be in disarray — in 2021, Democrats control the U.S. House of Representatives, the Senate, and the White House. But Republicans did pick up 11 seats in the U.S. House, leaving Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s Democrats with a razor-thin majority. And, unlike the Democrats, not a single incumbent Republican lost a House seat.

On numerous state and local levels, the Republican Party remains on firm footing. Sound conservative policies and fiscal restraint ruled 2020’s state elections. In 24 states the GOP now enjoys full control of legislative and executive branches. Democrats control only 15 states. Republican governors hold the reins in 27 states. In many states, voters wearied of Trump’s antics and wanted a return to a fiscally conservative, more principled GOP.

The Old Dominion is not one of those states. The 2020 elections left Virginia’s government firmly under Democratic control. Political strategist Bob Holsworth says Trump has been albatross for the GOP in Virginia. The former president’s toxicity in Northern Virginia turned that densely populated area a very deep blue.

The gubernatorial race this fall could offer an opportunity for Republicans to reclaim the state’s highest office. However, with the state GOP in disarray, the odds of doing so may be insurmountable. Aside from a growing slate of GOP candidates (at least five at this point) and infighting as to how the party will select its candidate, the question of what to do about state Sen. Amanda Chase continues to bedevil state Republicans.

Does the party select a conventional candidate like Del. Kirk Cox or go with Chase, who describes herself as “Trump in heels” and claims the Capitol assault was justified? She has threatened to start her own Patriot Party if she isn’t given the GOP nomination. But there’s little doubt that if she is the Republican candidate, Virginia will see another Democratic governor in 2022.

Trump is gone now. With Republicans in the minority in Washington, Democrats nearly have carte blanche to enact as many new laws as they can. A similar situation exists in Virginia. Voters are right to be concerned as to how their purse strings will be affected by leftist agendas at both state and federal levels.

Before upending most of Trump’s policies and turning a deaf ear to the wishes of conservative constituents, it might be wise for Democrats and liberal pundits in Washington and Richmond to pay attention to those other state elections where Republicans have won. Love Trump or hate him, it is hard to deny that until COVID-19 forced a national lockdown last March, the U.S. economy was one of the strongest in history.

David Post of the CATO Institute noted recently: “What the Republican Party will look like in the aftermath of this debacle [at the U.S. Capitol] is anybody’s guess. But I do think the rioters may actually have — inadvertently, to be sure — performed a great service for the country. I am among those who believe that the country needs something it has not had for some time: A functioning, principled, conservative Republican Party.”

Given the current economic challenges, it seems most Americans are anxious to embrace conservative fiscal policies and have soundly rejected bombast and ugly rhetoric. The left, the media, and most importantly, the Republican Party of Virginia, would all do well to listen to them


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154 responses to “Voters Still Want Principled, Conservative Policies”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    Welcome! And thank you for an objective non-partisan analysis.

    I slightly disagree that most folks are looking for fiscally-consrevative policies if it results in getting rid of the TCJA tax cuts which are almost wholly funded by selling treasury notes or the Medicaid expansion or public school funding.

    And in Virginia, when the GOP talks about fiscal conservatism – it usually means cuts to some services or programs that they philosophically disagree with like Medicaid and pre-school /child care funding.

    What the Virginia GOP REALLY needs to do is pay attention to what most folks who live places like NoVa favor not what a lot of GOP politicians believe. That’s their biggest problem – they have their Conservative beliefs that they often cannot reconcile with constituents wants and they end up lecturing them over their supposed fiscal sloth as some sort of vote-getting exercise.

  2. “Never has the nation seen such a dreadful exhibition of anarchy and, hopefully, we never will again.”??????????

    I guess you haven’t turned your TV on since 1 June? Minneapolis, Kenosha, Portland, Seattle, LA, NYC, Chicago, and on, and on, and on…….

    I guess you don’t count trying to lock judges, LEOs, and others in a Federal Court House and then setting the building afire as ‘anarchy’?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      1861? Maybe?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        But, they didn’t attempt an insurrection.

        1. Perhaps I missed it, but I did not see the word “insurrection” in the quote to which I was responding.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Anarchy, scmanarchy…. we’ve had riots since, uh, 1781. Wait, no, 1776. But actually attempting a takeover of the government? Well, okay, go back to 1781 then…

          2. I know very well you do not honestly believe that those morons thought they were going to takeover the government.

          3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Keyword, and you did use this one, morons. So, what do you think?
            Remember, their social media lit up between January 6 and the 20th with belief that the National Guard would arrest the entire Biden administration…

            Yeah, morons.

            It was a Trump rally, and they came in body armor?

          4. N-N

            I don’t go into DC for ANY reason without putting on my body armor.

          5. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Touche.

  3. “Never has the nation seen such a dreadful exhibition of anarchy and, hopefully, we never will again.”??????????

    I guess you haven’t turned your TV on since 1 June? Minneapolis, Kenosha, Portland, Seattle, LA, NYC, Chicago, and on, and on, and on…….

    I guess you don’t count trying to lock judges, LEOs, and others in a Federal Court House and then setting the building afire as ‘anarchy’?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        But, they didn’t attempt an insurrection.

        1. Perhaps I missed it, but I did not see the word “insurrection” in the quote to which I was responding.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Anarchy, scmanarchy…. we’ve had riots since, uh, 1781. Wait, no, 1776. But actually attempting a takeover of the government? Well, okay, go back to 1781 then…

          2. I know very well you do not honestly believe that those morons thought they were going to takeover the government.

          3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Keyword, and you did use this one, morons. So, what do you think?
            Remember, their social media lit up between January 6 and the 20th with belief that the National Guard would arrest the entire Biden administration…

            Yeah, morons.

            It was a Trump rally, and they came in body armor?

          4. N-N

            I don’t go into DC for ANY reason without putting on my body armor.

          5. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Touche.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      1861? Maybe?

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    Welcome! And thank you for an objective non-partisan analysis.

    I slightly disagree that most folks are looking for fiscally-consrevative policies if it results in getting rid of the TCJA tax cuts which are almost wholly funded by selling treasury notes or the Medicaid expansion or public school funding.

    And in Virginia, when the GOP talks about fiscal conservatism – it usually means cuts to some services or programs that they philosophically disagree with like Medicaid and pre-school /child care funding.

    What the Virginia GOP REALLY needs to do is pay attention to what most folks who live places like NoVa favor not what a lot of GOP politicians believe. That’s their biggest problem – they have their Conservative beliefs that they often cannot reconcile with constituents wants and they end up lecturing them over their supposed fiscal sloth as some sort of vote-getting exercise.

  5. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    Setting aside the salability of it, another meaning of “fiscally conservative” is support for governmental outlays that are both budgetarily sound and, most importantly, constitutional. The current Constitution provides the legal basis for the state collection of revenues and state-controlled expenditures. This is too often ignored by the political class of both major parties that prefer to do end arounds instead of legitimizing their actions though proper amendments.

    Much of the federal government’s bureaucracy exists to support the welfare state which is not expressly sanctioned under those powers specified for the Government of the United States. Education is not delegated to the federal government yet it received over 64 billion USD in 2020. Similarly, “housing” is not specified for the federal government and yet there are several agencies and quasi-governmental organizations such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac funded for extra-constitutional activities.

    The list of government agencies and budgetary items that have a difficult time passing constitutional muster is a long one, but my point is the Constitution is the basis for all appropriations and every proposed pet project, bright idea, or expansion of the welfare state needs to be constitutionally justified before, not after, it becomes funded.

    Without this check on ever-expanding government, we end up where we are with deficit spending and a national debt dwarfing the red ink at the end of WWII and indenturing our children and grandchildren to getting the U.S. house in order.

  6. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
    vaconsumeradvocate

    Agree with you whole-heartedly! I’m very disappointed that even after the inauguration I’m seeing the same problems with two strains of truth for every topic. Those who only interact with one strain have no idea what the other contains. We can’t continue having two different versions of truth. We’ve got to stop doing everything possible to discredit the “other” side. And we’ve got to stop making people question even the most basic facts. I have no idea how to make these changes since it appears that those making things happen don’t want the things I want and that I think most others want.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      What, you cannot flip between Fox and CNN assuming both are off the deep end and there’s a kernel of truth in between? 🙂

      1. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
        vaconsumeradvocate

        My point is that most folks don’t.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Really not that hard when dealing with outright lies and disinformation that often trace straight back to social media AND broadcast media that have a known pattern of doing so.

      CNN, WaPo and NYT – ARE biased in some of their reporting – but they do not promote obvious lies and conspiracy theories…on a regular basis.

      When 75% of the GOP says that Trump WAS cheated out of the election – that’s not really one version of the truth and the other version says he was not.

      When Amanda Chase says that, along with 3 Va members of Congress including Whitman – that’s not an issue with CNN or WaPo reporting – those are facts but now the folks that say he was defeated are said to be the other “version” of the facts.

    3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Try PBS. Yeah, yeah, I know they’re liberals. But the reporting isn’t. They also rank high in the only having to report the facts once with no retractions because they don’t need to retract.

      1. Focus on the lack of retractions ignores the means by which PBS exudes bias from every pore: choice of stories or facts to report in the first place.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Yeah, that’s why every media evaluation watchdog group rates them as best factually, left leaning story choice.

          You can always go with Newsy… no opinions.

  7. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
    vaconsumeradvocate

    Agree with you whole-heartedly! I’m very disappointed that even after the inauguration I’m seeing the same problems with two strains of truth for every topic. Those who only interact with one strain have no idea what the other contains. We can’t continue having two different versions of truth. We’ve got to stop doing everything possible to discredit the “other” side. And we’ve got to stop making people question even the most basic facts. I have no idea how to make these changes since it appears that those making things happen don’t want the things I want and that I think most others want.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      What, you cannot flip between Fox and CNN assuming both are off the deep end and there’s a kernel of truth in between? 🙂

      1. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
        vaconsumeradvocate

        My point is that most folks don’t.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Really not that hard when dealing with outright lies and disinformation that often trace straight back to social media AND broadcast media that have a known pattern of doing so.

      CNN, WaPo and NYT – ARE biased in some of their reporting – but they do not promote obvious lies and conspiracy theories…on a regular basis.

      When 75% of the GOP says that Trump WAS cheated out of the election – that’s not really one version of the truth and the other version says he was not.

      When Amanda Chase says that, along with 3 Va members of Congress including Whitman – that’s not an issue with CNN or WaPo reporting – those are facts but now the folks that say he was defeated are said to be the other “version” of the facts.

    3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Try PBS. Yeah, yeah, I know they’re liberals. But the reporting isn’t. They also rank high in the only having to report the facts once with no retractions because they don’t need to retract.

      1. Focus on the lack of retractions ignores the means by which PBS exudes bias from every pore: choice of stories or facts to report in the first place.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Yeah, that’s why every media evaluation watchdog group rates them as best factually, left leaning story choice.

          You can always go with Newsy… no opinions.

  8. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Cox or Chase? Convention or primary. Good luck boys and girls. Pick sanely and the rank and file will go insane. Let the rank and file choose and you’ll get insanity. Either way, the RPV is going to need truck loads of Prozac.

    Bring on the dancing girls!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BmlnltVzksg

  9. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Cox or Chase? Convention or primary. Good luck boys and girls. Pick sanely and the rank and file will go insane. Let the rank and file choose and you’ll get insanity. Either way, the RPV is going to need truck loads of Prozac.

    Bring on the dancing girls!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BmlnltVzksg

  10. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Mrs. Beres thank you for the thoughtful contribution today. Principled conservatism. I don’t think that is going to be enough for November 2021. The everyday working Virginian is awake and participating in politics. Many of them liked the populism of the former president. For many it was the first time a political figure was punching for them. The Republican candidate is going to have to find a way to fuse principled conservatism with elements of modern populism. Jack Dempsey was the all American heavy weight champion once. But he competed to win. Famous for dragging the glove laces across the face of his opponents, rabbit punching, and even putting plaster of paris inside his gloves to have concrete fists by the 3rd round. The Republican candidate is going to have to be one tough competitor because no mercy will be shown this fall.

    1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      This comment is spot on. Trump, however unpleasant, stood between us and the abyss. He’s gone, nothing of consequence, except the crazy leftist rampaging hordes running loose and wild have replaced him. Now we are now leaning over, swaying back and forth, wobbling and near tipping over in the abyss yawning beneath our feet. America and western civilization may well tumbling into hell along with us and our kids, absent the return of Jack Dempsey who competed to win, dragging glove laces across the face of his opponents, rabbit punching, even stuffing Plaster of Paris inside his gloves then concrete fists by the 3rd round.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        So Trump was the champion of American and western civilization?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          I think several 3rd world countries are trying to recruit him to “save” their country. They are offering a really big military parade for starters.

        2. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          That is how the working class saw it. What else can explain all of those car caravans and rallies? Republicans are mistaken if they plan to return to the days of the “silver knights”. Were they ever even real in the first place?
          https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/-Is57wjynoLHJcu4t3baJPc4H3Y=/1280×0/smart/advancelocal-adapter-image-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/image.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width2048/img/friday_impact/photo/mr-smith-goes-to-washington—1jpg-6616eb643aafc150.jpg

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Hmm, but that picture is make believe.

            Oh, or is that the whole point?

    2. I feel sorry for the rabbits…

  11. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Mrs. Beres thank you for the thoughtful contribution today. Principled conservatism. I don’t think that is going to be enough for November 2021. The everyday working Virginian is awake and participating in politics. Many of them liked the populism of the former president. For many it was the first time a political figure was punching for them. The Republican candidate is going to have to find a way to fuse principled conservatism with elements of modern populism. Jack Dempsey was the all American heavy weight champion once. But he competed to win. Famous for dragging the glove laces across the face of his opponents, rabbit punching, and even putting plaster of paris inside his gloves to have concrete fists by the 3rd round. The Republican candidate is going to have to be one tough competitor because no mercy will be shown this fall.

    1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      This comment is spot on. Trump, however unpleasant, stood between us and the abyss. He’s gone, nothing of consequence, except the crazy leftist rampaging hordes running loose and wild have replaced him. Now we are now leaning over, swaying back and forth, wobbling and near tipping over in the abyss yawning beneath our feet. America and western civilization may well tumbling into hell along with us and our kids, absent the return of Jack Dempsey who competed to win, dragging glove laces across the face of his opponents, rabbit punching, even stuffing Plaster of Paris inside his gloves then concrete fists by the 3rd round.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        So Trump was the champion of American and western civilization?

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          That is how the working class saw it. What else can explain all of those car caravans and rallies? Republicans are mistaken if they plan to return to the days of the “silver knights”. Were they ever even real in the first place?
          https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/-Is57wjynoLHJcu4t3baJPc4H3Y=/1280×0/smart/advancelocal-adapter-image-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/image.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width2048/img/friday_impact/photo/mr-smith-goes-to-washington—1jpg-6616eb643aafc150.jpg

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Hmm, but that picture is make believe.

            Oh, or is that the whole point?

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          I think several 3rd world countries are trying to recruit him to “save” their country. They are offering a really big military parade for starters.

    2. I feel sorry for the rabbits…

  12. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    I don’t think most people care a whit about the national debt. Just like virtually every public company, Uncle Sam will always have long-term debt. It will never be paid off, but rather, rolled over. Having said that, there will be pressure to reduce the level of post-GW Bush debt.

    The media is pure scum, just like it was in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. The Post is best at what it won’t publish. Why did it miss Northam’s “I’m about to be a doctor” racist blackface behavior while spending countless resources on George Allen’s Maccaca and Roy Moore in Alabama? Because the Post is a whore for the Democrats. Try getting a letter to the editor or op-ed published if you provide contradictory facts or take an opinion that differs from the editorial policy of the Post.

    I remember the by-election after Governor George Allen proposed a reduction in the state income tax rate. The editorial board lost it, attacking every GOP candidate for the GA, including its favorite RINO, Vince Callahan.

    The media is already covering up for Biden and the rest of the left. Notice the Post’s silence on Harris’ religious bigotry while condemning Trump’s travel restrictions on certain Middle Eastern nations. Also, the Post’s article on Circuit Court Judge Tran’s order concluding FCPS violated state regulations removing mandatory testing for TJHSST and violating the state FOIA law by not producing minutes was written by the AP. The Post didn’t even put a reporter on the story since it contradicted the editorial position of the Post.

    But Biden lost two in court yesterday.

  13. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    I don’t think most people care a whit about the national debt. Just like virtually every public company, Uncle Sam will always have long-term debt. It will never be paid off, but rather, rolled over. Having said that, there will be pressure to reduce the level of post-GW Bush debt.

    The media is pure scum, just like it was in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. The Post is best at what it won’t publish. Why did it miss Northam’s “I’m about to be a doctor” racist blackface behavior while spending countless resources on George Allen’s Maccaca and Roy Moore in Alabama? Because the Post is a whore for the Democrats. Try getting a letter to the editor or op-ed published if you provide contradictory facts or take an opinion that differs from the editorial policy of the Post.

    I remember the by-election after Governor George Allen proposed a reduction in the state income tax rate. The editorial board lost it, attacking every GOP candidate for the GA, including its favorite RINO, Vince Callahan.

    The media is already covering up for Biden and the rest of the left. Notice the Post’s silence on Harris’ religious bigotry while condemning Trump’s travel restrictions on certain Middle Eastern nations. Also, the Post’s article on Circuit Court Judge Tran’s order concluding FCPS violated state regulations removing mandatory testing for TJHSST and violating the state FOIA law by not producing minutes was written by the AP. The Post didn’t even put a reporter on the story since it contradicted the editorial position of the Post.

    But Biden lost two in court yesterday.

  14. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Please spare us the “conservative fiscal policies” embraced by Trump and the Republican majority in Congress. During the last three years of Obama’s presidency, budget deficits totaled $1.5 trilllion. During the first three years of Trump’s Presidency (pre-pandemic), although he inherited a booming economy, the deficits totaled $2.47 trillion. The last time there was a budget surplus was under a Democratic President (Clinton).

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Wasn’t it a Republican who said, “Deficits don’t count,” and then shot his lawyer in the face? Well, a split ticket.

    2. djrippert Avatar

      Why would you pick “the last three years of Obama’s presidency”? Wasn’t he president fo eight years? The stimulus for the so-called Great Recession was supposed to be temporary. Obama made it permanent. Yes, there was a budget surplus under Slick Willy. There was also a dot com bubble which burst, the Enron / Arthur Andersen scandal, etc.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        No he did not. The GOP denied Obama the second stimulus proposal.

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        The economic conditions of Obama’s last three years are comparable to those of Trump’s first three. During his first term, Obama has dealing with the Great Recession he inherited from Bush.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          The first year of Trumps term was an economy that had substantially recovered from the meltdown that Obama inherited.

          He and Congress then passed what boils down to – a stimulus – i.e. tax cuts funded by debt.

          Now, Biden is inherting an economy a lot like Obama inherited and asking for stimulus to right it. And, as usual, NOW, debt is a “problem” and doing a stimulus rescue the economy adds debt. Who Knew?

        2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Careful Dick, they’ll tell you that it was Clinton policies that set up the subprime mortgage…

  15. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Please spare us the “conservative fiscal policies” embraced by Trump and the Republican majority in Congress. During the last three years of Obama’s presidency, budget deficits totaled $1.5 trilllion. During the first three years of Trump’s Presidency (pre-pandemic), although he inherited a booming economy, the deficits totaled $2.47 trillion. The last time there was a budget surplus was under a Democratic President (Clinton).

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Wasn’t it a Republican who said, “Deficits don’t count,” and then shot his lawyer in the face? Well, a split ticket.

    2. djrippert Avatar

      Why would you pick “the last three years of Obama’s presidency”? Wasn’t he president fo eight years? The stimulus for the so-called Great Recession was supposed to be temporary. Obama made it permanent. Yes, there was a budget surplus under Slick Willy. There was also a dot com bubble which burst, the Enron / Arthur Andersen scandal, etc.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        The economic conditions of Obama’s last three years are comparable to those of Trump’s first three. During his first term, Obama has dealing with the Great Recession he inherited from Bush.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          The first year of Trumps term was an economy that had substantially recovered from the meltdown that Obama inherited.

          He and Congress then passed what boils down to – a stimulus – i.e. tax cuts funded by debt.

          Now, Biden is inherting an economy a lot like Obama inherited and asking for stimulus to right it. And, as usual, NOW, debt is a “problem” and doing a stimulus rescue the economy adds debt. Who Knew?

        2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Careful Dick, they’ll tell you that it was Clinton policies that set up the subprime mortgage…

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        No he did not. The GOP denied Obama the second stimulus proposal.

  16. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Personally, this is wwaaaayyy better than Obama being elected and the 2009and 2010 Congress.

    The entire Republican Party is in the same quandary as LBJ with J. Edgar. Do you want him on the inside of the tent throwing “bricks” out, or on the outside throwing “bricks” in? LBJ went gooey too.

    I’m loving the entire gutless cowering in the kitchen of the national and the Virginian contingent… God but you guys deserve this!

  17. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Personally, this is wwaaaayyy better than Obama being elected and the 2009and 2010 Congress.

    The entire Republican Party is in the same quandary as LBJ with J. Edgar. Do you want him on the inside of the tent throwing “bricks” out, or on the outside throwing “bricks” in? LBJ went gooey too.

    I’m loving the entire gutless cowering in the kitchen of the national and the Virginian contingent… God but you guys deserve this!

  18. djrippert Avatar

    Fine, I’ll say it. The attack on the Capitol was disgraceful. It was anarchy. People died. But the attack on the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) in Seattle was horrible too. People died.

    If there is a “silver lining” to the Capitol attack in DC it is that Snake Face Pelosi and Chinless McConnell were certainly peeing in their Depends when the attack was ongoing. For a brief moment those ass clowns knew what it was like for the the residents of “CHAZ” while that part of Seattle was occupied by anarchists for three weeks (not three hours).

    I assume that both Snake Face and Chinless are a bit less enthusiastic about de-funding the police after the riot on Capitol Hill.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Anyone who thinks the Capitol Hill mobbing had a silver lining needs to stock up on depends if they think it was just another riot and more will come.

      1. djrippert Avatar

        The pimps and whores of Congress got to feel the fear that being attacked by a mob creates. Like the regular citizens of Seattle, Portland, Kenosha, Chicago, etc. A dollop of reality for the political class is always a silver lining.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          like a bullet to the head, eh?

    2. Beyond disgraceful. It convinced the liberals anyone not liberal is deplorable and not to be tolerated. Repubs have totally lost their grip.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      It was the use of juvenile nicknames that helped turn people off Trump. I think you have more class than this, Don.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Unfortunately , that behavior is now “popular” with quite a few folks and more than one or two in BR some days.

        Then that bleeds over to folks with even worst tendencies and it escalates to things like this:

        https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/9b0/b32/520b75a7392a8dd378c52f52336b1c4c3e-photo-lede.rsquare.w700.jpg

        Folks talk about Orangeman Bad – he did a crapload of bringing this whole behavior into politics and yes there are admirers.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Here Dick. I think this is what you’re driving at.
        https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/trump-destroyed-most-important-virtue-america/617727/

        But was Reagan somewhat guilty with his “There you go again”?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Guy on TV today asking if Bush could have been selected by the GOP to run for POTUS today. Answer: Nope.

          That tells you where the GOP is today. How far back can you go to find a GOP POTUS that would be supported by the GOP today to run for POTUS?

          Sara Huckabee is running for Gov in Arkansas.. .word is Trump is headed that way for his signature rallies.

          Jim Jordan is said to be thinking about running for Portmans senate seat and guess who will be at rallies next to Jordan?

          Can expect states like Texas and Florida to follow suite.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Clowntown. Elect a 🤡 expect a circus.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Can you imagine a would-be GOP Governor of Virginia inviting gun nuts to Richmond to take over the Capital?

            oh wait…

  19. djrippert Avatar

    Fine, I’ll say it. The attack on the Capitol was disgraceful. It was anarchy. People died. But the attack on the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) in Seattle was horrible too. People died.

    If there is a “silver lining” to the Capitol attack in DC it is that Snake Face Pelosi and Chinless McConnell were certainly peeing in their Depends when the attack was ongoing. For a brief moment those ass clowns knew what it was like for the the residents of “CHAZ” while that part of Seattle was occupied by anarchists for three weeks (not three hours).

    I assume that both Snake Face and Chinless are a bit less enthusiastic about de-funding the police after the riot on Capitol Hill.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Anyone who thinks the Capitol Hill mobbing had a silver lining needs to stock up on depends if they think it was just another riot and more will come.

      1. djrippert Avatar

        The pimps and whores of Congress got to feel the fear that being attacked by a mob creates. Like the regular citizens of Seattle, Portland, Kenosha, Chicago, etc. A dollop of reality for the political class is always a silver lining.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          like a bullet to the head, eh?

    2. Beyond disgraceful. It convinced the liberals anyone not liberal is deplorable and not to be tolerated. Repubs have totally lost their grip.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      It was the use of juvenile nicknames that helped turn people off Trump. I think you have more class than this, Don.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Unfortunately , that behavior is now “popular” with quite a few folks and more than one or two in BR some days.

        Then that bleeds over to folks with even worst tendencies and it escalates to things like this:

        https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/9b0/b32/520b75a7392a8dd378c52f52336b1c4c3e-photo-lede.rsquare.w700.jpg

        Folks talk about Orangeman Bad – he did a crapload of bringing this whole behavior into politics and yes there are admirers.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Here Dick. I think this is what you’re driving at.
        https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/trump-destroyed-most-important-virtue-america/617727/

        But was Reagan somewhat guilty with his “There you go again”?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Guy on TV today asking if Bush could have been selected by the GOP to run for POTUS today. Answer: Nope.

          That tells you where the GOP is today. How far back can you go to find a GOP POTUS that would be supported by the GOP today to run for POTUS?

          Sara Huckabee is running for Gov in Arkansas.. .word is Trump is headed that way for his signature rallies.

          Jim Jordan is said to be thinking about running for Portmans senate seat and guess who will be at rallies next to Jordan?

          Can expect states like Texas and Florida to follow suite.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Clowntown. Elect a 🤡 expect a circus.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Can you imagine a would-be GOP Governor of Virginia inviting gun nuts to Richmond to take over the Capital?

            oh wait…

  20. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    January 6, 2020 — the best condemnation of the American education system by Republicans ever!

    Okay, okay! You’ve convinced me! The K-12 public education ain’t fair to white people.

  21. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    January 6, 2020 — the best condemnation of the American education system by Republicans ever!

    Okay, okay! You’ve convinced me! The K-12 public education ain’t fair to white people.

  22. Thanks for writing, Robin. I respectfully disagree, but your piece is one of the best articulations of old-line conservatism I’ve seen post-Trump.

    The late Sam Lubell had a grand theory of American partisanship referred to as the “Sun and Moon” theory. In broad terms, he postulated America has historically had a “one-and-a-half” party system, in which a single party dominates the national electoral process as well as the policy sphere for decades at a time. This is the “Sun party,” and in Lubell’s work he sees it first in the Lincoln Republicans followed by the New Deal/Truman Democrats. He stopped writing before Reaganism became entrenched, but I think it’s fair to say the Reagan GOP succeeded the New Dealers rather thoroughly. It’s also fair to say that the Obama-Biden Democrats are our latest Sol.

    He describes the dynamic better than I can: “It is within the majority party that the issues of any particular period are fought out; while the minority party shines in reflected radiance of the heat thus generated.”

    For Lubell, the moon is not only the minority, but divided against itself. The light side — that which is illuminated by the Sun — is the establishment, simultaneously in dialogue with and in respectful opposition to the Sun. The dark side is exiled from the very notion of respect in either direction, and serves as an insurgency which (according to Lubell’s schema) produces the next Sun. In historical order, you see this in the Northeastern progressives, the Goldwater conservatives, and the Democratic Leadership Council/New Democrats. There’s a reason why we don’t much remember Dukakis or McGovern, establishment though they were.

    All this is to say that permanent respectful opposition to the likely long-lived Democratic Sun is a war lost as soon as it begins. I like Cox — it’s hard not to — but bopping the big red Reagan button until you end up in the nursing home is a poor last stand. It will serve more as a legitimizing function for the Democrats than any sort of handbrake. Neoliberalism deserves ridicule above all else, and the Right, broadly writ, deserves investment where there is dynamism and energy among its youth. You will not find it among Lincoln Project interns.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Interesting analogy. I think DHS just put out a bulletin warning us of an imminent threat from the dark side of the Moon.

      BTW, that makes Mitch an eclipse.

      1. Federal agencies also have a knack for entrapping slow-of-wit Muslim kids in contrived terrorist plots, and for charging clueless FFL holders with complicity in Fast And Furious, and for wall-banging SoCal growhouses staffed with just-off-the-boat Laotians who were themselves trafficked into the country illegally. Hell, you’d remember better than I would, but I think as of 9/11 the Feds had identified radical environmentalists as the nation’s biggest domestic terror threat.

        They are multibillion-dollar rent-seekers with a jones for putting idiots of all sorts into dark holes for the rest of their lives, alongside a bunch of people who — all else being equal — were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Give them a long enough leash and effective immunity (which, by golly, we have), and they’ll target anyone. Not exactly a reliable authority except in a strictly legal sense.

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          Reminds me of the old joke about how the only people who attend a KKK meeting are undercover FBI agents.

          1. Three trailers in the trailer park — one’s FBI, one’s ATF, one’s DEA, each sniping the other with a telephoto lens.

            This was a pretty funny read on that dynamic in modern times: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/what-glowies-mean-online-spies/617717/

    2. Slightly shorter version: The establishment GOP is so wedded to orthodoxy — especially fiscal orthodoxy — that it will run itself into the grave. The radicals — because their desire to win surpasses any attraction to specific policy planks — *will* innovate, because that’s what you must do to defeat a stronger opponent.

      No Westchester Republican was ever entranced by Goldwater’s faux-cowboy aesthetic or rhetoric. No old-line liberal ever fell in love with Clinton’s party. They fell in line, eventually, because they also wanted to win.

      The task is such — identify and capitalize on winning issues, regardless if they jive with your specific aesthetic or ideological sensibilities.

      The same goes for human talent. We all know 2021 is a shoe-in for the Dems in the Governor’s Mansion, so why not shrug at Cox and Chase and invest in the profile/donor base of dark horse candidates who can clearly articulate a political vision which draws from the populist base?

      A winning GOP might take 20 years to build, and in any team rebuild, you invest in rookies and free agents — not jowly veterans. Sorry Kirk.

  23. Thanks for writing, Robin. I respectfully disagree, but your piece is one of the best articulations of old-line conservatism I’ve seen post-Trump.

    The late Sam Lubell had a grand theory of American partisanship referred to as the “Sun and Moon” theory. In broad terms, he postulated America has historically had a “one-and-a-half” party system, in which a single party dominates the national electoral process as well as the policy sphere for decades at a time. This is the “Sun party,” and in Lubell’s work he sees it first in the Lincoln Republicans followed by the New Deal/Truman Democrats. He stopped writing before Reaganism became entrenched, but I think it’s fair to say the Reagan GOP succeeded the New Dealers rather thoroughly. It’s also fair to say that the Obama-Biden Democrats are our latest Sol.

    He describes the dynamic better than I can: “It is within the majority party that the issues of any particular period are fought out; while the minority party shines in reflected radiance of the heat thus generated.”

    For Lubell, the moon is not only the minority, but divided against itself. The light side — that which is illuminated by the Sun — is the establishment, simultaneously in dialogue with and in respectful opposition to the Sun. The dark side is exiled from the very notion of respect in either direction, and serves as an insurgency which (according to Lubell’s schema) produces the next Sun. In historical order, you see this in the Northeastern progressives, the Goldwater conservatives, and the Democratic Leadership Council/New Democrats. There’s a reason why we don’t much remember Dukakis or McGovern, establishment though they were.

    All this is to say that permanent respectful opposition to the likely long-lived Democratic Sun is a war lost as soon as it begins. I like Cox — it’s hard not to — but bopping the big red Reagan button until you end up in the nursing home is a poor last stand. It will serve more as a legitimizing function for the Democrats than any sort of handbrake. Neoliberalism deserves ridicule above all else, and the Right, broadly writ, deserves investment where there is dynamism and energy among its youth. You will not find it among Lincoln Project interns.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Interesting analogy. I think DHS just put out a bulletin warning us of an imminent threat from the dark side of the Moon.

      BTW, that makes Mitch an eclipse.

      1. Federal agencies also have a knack for entrapping slow-of-wit Muslim kids in contrived terrorist plots, and for charging clueless FFL holders with complicity in Fast And Furious, and for wall-banging SoCal growhouses staffed with just-off-the-boat Laotians who were themselves trafficked into the country illegally. Hell, you’d remember better than I would, but I think as of 9/11 the Feds had identified radical environmentalists as the nation’s biggest domestic terror threat.

        They are multibillion-dollar rent-seekers with a jones for putting idiots of all sorts into dark holes for the rest of their lives, alongside a bunch of people who — all else being equal — were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Give them a long enough leash and effective immunity (which, by golly, we have), and they’ll target anyone. Not exactly a reliable authority except in a strictly legal sense.

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          Reminds me of the old joke about how the only people who attend a KKK meeting are undercover FBI agents.

          1. Three trailers in the trailer park — one’s FBI, one’s ATF, one’s DEA, each sniping the other with a telephoto lens.

            This was a pretty funny read on that dynamic in modern times: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/what-glowies-mean-online-spies/617717/

    2. Slightly shorter version: The establishment GOP is so wedded to orthodoxy — especially fiscal orthodoxy — that it will run itself into the grave. The radicals — because their desire to win surpasses any attraction to specific policy planks — *will* innovate, because that’s what you must do to defeat a stronger opponent.

      No Westchester Republican was ever entranced by Goldwater’s faux-cowboy aesthetic or rhetoric. No old-line liberal ever fell in love with Clinton’s party. They fell in line, eventually, because they also wanted to win.

      The task is such — identify and capitalize on winning issues, regardless if they jive with your specific aesthetic or ideological sensibilities.

      The same goes for human talent. We all know 2021 is a shoe-in for the Dems in the Governor’s Mansion, so why not shrug at Cox and Chase and invest in the profile/donor base of dark horse candidates who can clearly articulate a political vision which draws from the populist base?

      A winning GOP might take 20 years to build, and in any team rebuild, you invest in rookies and free agents — not jowly veterans. Sorry Kirk.

  24. LarrytheG Avatar

    Some discussion of what “fiscally conservative” really means and if that a definition that has seldom changed or does it evolve and change?

    At it’s core individually, it means to live within your means, politically it means more.

    At the state and national level – “fiscal conservatism” gets tangled up with what we choose to spend money on, “invest” – obviously national defense, but then public roads and schools and what level of healthcare and in the process debates about the evils of “socialism”

    So… “fiscal conservatism” sometimes seems to align with those who say the govt should NOT be involved in health care – NOT whether or not, as a country if we can “afford” it albeit , are we willing to pay for it with taxes or should it be provided by the private sector with fees instead?

    And the problem with fiscal conservatism is – if it opposes , say Medicare for All because it’s inherently “socialist” – where do they really draw a principled position – that Medicare and Medicaid also are “socialist” and should be repealed?

    That’s where and how modern-day fiscal conservatism comes unraveled. You advocate getting rid of Medicare and you’re basically done politically so do you compromise your principles and swallow Medicare but not Obamacare? Do you spend the rest of your fiscal conservatism career trying to draw a line and hold it?

    Trying to maintain that balancing act just seems like a kind of purgatory of compromised principles.

  25. LarrytheG Avatar

    Some discussion of what “fiscally conservative” really means and if that a definition that has seldom changed or does it evolve and change?

    At it’s core individually, it means to live within your means, politically it means more.

    At the state and national level – “fiscal conservatism” gets tangled up with what we choose to spend money on, “invest” – obviously national defense, but then public roads and schools and what level of healthcare and in the process debates about the evils of “socialism”

    So… “fiscal conservatism” sometimes seems to align with those who say the govt should NOT be involved in health care – NOT whether or not, as a country if we can “afford” it albeit , are we willing to pay for it with taxes or should it be provided by the private sector with fees instead?

    And the problem with fiscal conservatism is – if it opposes , say Medicare for All because it’s inherently “socialist” – where do they really draw a principled position – that Medicare and Medicaid also are “socialist” and should be repealed?

    That’s where and how modern-day fiscal conservatism comes unraveled. You advocate getting rid of Medicare and you’re basically done politically so do you compromise your principles and swallow Medicare but not Obamacare? Do you spend the rest of your fiscal conservatism career trying to draw a line and hold it?

    Trying to maintain that balancing act just seems like a kind of purgatory of compromised principles.

  26. Lawrence Hincker Avatar
    Lawrence Hincker

    Well, I was going to write something but after ploughing through all these comments, what’s left. I’ll just say, welcome to the beat Robin. I always enjoyed your columns and editorials at the RTD and compliment you on this one. Well done, and right on the money, IMO. Conservatism is alive and well across the U.S. and poised for a comeback provided it can eradicate Trumpism.

  27. Lawrence Hincker Avatar
    Lawrence Hincker

    Well, I was going to write something but after ploughing through all these comments, what’s left. I’ll just say, welcome to the beat Robin. I always enjoyed your columns and editorials at the RTD and compliment you on this one. Well done, and right on the money, IMO. Conservatism is alive and well across the U.S. and poised for a comeback provided it can eradicate Trumpism.

  28. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    Setting aside the salability of it, another meaning of “fiscally conservative” is support for governmental outlays that are both budgetarily sound and, most importantly, constitutional. The current Constitution provides the legal basis for the state collection of revenues and state-controlled expenditures. This is too often ignored by the political class of both major parties that prefer to do end arounds instead of legitimizing their actions though proper amendments.

    Much of the federal government’s bureaucracy exists to support the welfare state which is not expressly sanctioned under those powers specified for the Government of the United States. Education is not delegated to the federal government yet it received over 64 billion USD in 2020. Similarly, “housing” is not specified for the federal government and yet there are several agencies and quasi-governmental organizations such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac funded for extra-constitutional activities.

    The list of government agencies and budgetary items that have a difficult time passing constitutional muster is a long one, but my point is the Constitution is the basis for all appropriations and every proposed pet project, bright idea, or expansion of the welfare state needs to be constitutionally justified before, not after, it becomes funded.

    Without this check on ever-expanding government, we end up where we are with deficit spending and a national debt dwarfing the red ink at the end of WWII and indenturing our children and grandchildren to getting the U.S. house in order.

  29. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Forgive me. I had meant to take a siesta after all the blog work, Trump’s electoral defeat and all the excitement afterwards. But I digress.
    My point is that there are so many errors in thinking in this piece, it boggles the mind. Trump was a HUUUGGGE budget buster. The Republicans, heads in sand, let him get away with it. Who was a decent budget balancer? The hated Bill Clinton.
    Good luck to Robin Beres if she wants to spin this as a worthy effort to get the GOP to the party of nice and responsible. Old geezers like Reed Fawell III will praise you to the barn and back. But what do you actually think we should do about this problem? Say it is an “ad hominem attack?” Separate Virginia from the rest of the world? Is that some kind of unspoken “cardinal rule?”
    See these: from the MSM Fake News:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/opinion/us-capitalism-socialism.html

    https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

    1. Peter,

      You are actually giving credit to Clinton for balancing the budget? My recollection is that he vetoed many Republican/Gingrich efforts to, for example, do away with welfare as it was then constituted until he succumbed on the third or forth effort, declared victory, and signed the bill. He was presented with a Congress that had the responsibility for passing a budget. And you want him to get the credit? Neither was Trump a budget buster. Similarly to Clinton, he was faced with a Congress he did not control. You may be able to blame the Republicans in Congress for giving more resistance, but you aren’t entitled to your own facts on the matter. Opinion, yes. But then opinions are like backsides, etc.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        yes, impeached for lying about having sex with an intern…

        and yes, he did in concert with, a GOP Congress deliver a surplus.

        Did subsequent GOP Congress and POTUS have same opportunity and did not do?

        facts , uh huh

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          FPOTUS Clinton was impeached for “perjury”. The subject to which he perjured himself isn’t relevant, nor was it included in the articles of Impeachment.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            right… everyone knows POTUS don’t lie ever , right?

            low bar?

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Perjury is the act of lying in Court. FPOTUS Clinton lied while under oath and an infraction you don’t seem to care about was enough to remove his privileges to ever argue in front of SCOTUS and surrender his law license for 5 years.

            His articles of Impeachment also included Obstruction of Justice for attempting to get people to lie for him as well. I seem to recall Trump’s second article of Impeachment (the first time) being Obstruction of Congress.

            Is that now a Law bar?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Oh I very much do understand. He was impeached for lying.
            pretend otherwise and deflect all you want.

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “LarrytheG | January 28, 2021 at 10:58 am |
            Oh I very much do understand. He was impeached for lying.
            pretend otherwise and deflect all you want.”

            He was impeached for lying under oath, you know the crime that landed Michael Cohen in jail.

            The only person deflecting is yourself, well it’s more just justifying.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            yep , but not impeached…

            here we have a guy that lied under oath about a sexual encounter and another one who fomented an insurrection and it’s the guy with the sexual encounter with the bigger wrong.

            uh huh… I know how you folks think… and why we have problems now.

          6. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            False.

            We have a FPOTUS who while POTUS lied under oath in a Court of Law following a swearing to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

            The fact that he lied about getting a hummer is irrelevant. Judges and Courts don’t say well since you only lied about that one little thing under oath it’s okay.

            I compared it to the articles of Trump first impeachment, I love you again moving the goalposts.

            “uh huh… I know how you folks think… and why we have problems now.”

            How I think? How exactly do I think? I do enjoy your sweeping generalizations, but they are no more valid than your opinion regarding perjury is.

  30. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    So. Trump was impeached twice. What does that have to do with Clinton’s budgetary prowess?

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Ask Larry who wants to argue that Clinton was impeached over a “bj” and not perjury. Only to state that it was an insignificant omission and therefore didn’t matter.

      The notion that FPOTUS Clinton played a significant role the balancing of the budget was previously addressed by another poster.

      However, you’re free to read the CATO institutes article from 1998 dispelling the notion he did and not take my word for it.

      https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-bill-clinton-didnt-balance-budget

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        uh huh… keep blathering..

  31. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    So. Trump was impeached twice. What does that have to do with Clinton’s budgetary prowess?

  32. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Forgive me. I had meant to take a siesta after all the blog work, Trump’s electoral defeat and all the excitement afterwards. But I digress.
    My point is that there are so many errors in thinking in this piece, it boggles the mind. Trump was a HUUUGGGE budget buster. The Republicans, heads in sand, let him get away with it. Who was a decent budget balancer? The hated Bill Clinton.
    Good luck to Robin Beres if she wants to spin this as a worthy effort to get the GOP to the party of nice and responsible. Old geezers like Reed Fawell III will praise you to the barn and back. But what do you actually think we should do about this problem? Say it is an “ad hominem attack?” Separate Virginia from the rest of the world? Is that some kind of unspoken “cardinal rule?”
    See these: from the MSM Fake News:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/opinion/us-capitalism-socialism.html

    https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

    1. Peter,

      You are actually giving credit to Clinton for balancing the budget? My recollection is that he vetoed many Republican/Gingrich efforts to, for example, do away with welfare as it was then constituted until he succumbed on the third or forth effort, declared victory, and signed the bill. He was presented with a Congress that had the responsibility for passing a budget. And you want him to get the credit? Neither was Trump a budget buster. Similarly to Clinton, he was faced with a Congress he did not control. You may be able to blame the Republicans in Congress for giving more resistance, but you aren’t entitled to your own facts on the matter. Opinion, yes. But then opinions are like backsides, etc.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        yes, impeached for lying about having sex with an intern…

        and yes, he did in concert with, a GOP Congress deliver a surplus.

        Did subsequent GOP Congress and POTUS have same opportunity and did not do?

        facts , uh huh

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          FPOTUS Clinton was impeached for “perjury”. The subject to which he perjured himself isn’t relevant, nor was it included in the articles of Impeachment.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            right… everyone knows POTUS don’t lie ever , right?

            low bar?

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Perjury is the act of lying in Court. FPOTUS Clinton lied while under oath and an infraction you don’t seem to care about was enough to remove his privileges to ever argue in front of SCOTUS and surrender his law license for 5 years.

            His articles of Impeachment also included Obstruction of Justice for attempting to get people to lie for him as well. I seem to recall Trump’s second article of Impeachment (the first time) being Obstruction of Congress.

            Is that now a Law bar?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Oh I very much do understand. He was impeached for lying.
            pretend otherwise and deflect all you want.

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “LarrytheG | January 28, 2021 at 10:58 am |
            Oh I very much do understand. He was impeached for lying.
            pretend otherwise and deflect all you want.”

            He was impeached for lying under oath, you know the crime that landed Michael Cohen in jail.

            The only person deflecting is yourself, well it’s more just justifying.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            yep , but not impeached…

            here we have a guy that lied under oath about a sexual encounter and another one who fomented an insurrection and it’s the guy with the sexual encounter with the bigger wrong.

            uh huh… I know how you folks think… and why we have problems now.

          6. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            False.

            We have a FPOTUS who while POTUS lied under oath in a Court of Law following a swearing to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

            The fact that he lied about getting a hummer is irrelevant. Judges and Courts don’t say well since you only lied about that one little thing under oath it’s okay.

            I compared it to the articles of Trump first impeachment, I love you again moving the goalposts.

            “uh huh… I know how you folks think… and why we have problems now.”

            How I think? How exactly do I think? I do enjoy your sweeping generalizations, but they are no more valid than your opinion regarding perjury is.

  33. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    So. Trump was impeached twice. What does that have to do with Clinton’s budgetary prowess?

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Ask Larry who wants to argue that Clinton was impeached over a “bj” and not perjury. Only to state that it was an insignificant omission and therefore didn’t matter.

      The notion that FPOTUS Clinton played a significant role the balancing of the budget was previously addressed by another poster.

      However, you’re free to read the CATO institutes article from 1998 dispelling the notion he did and not take my word for it.

      https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-bill-clinton-didnt-balance-budget

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        uh huh… keep blathering..

  34. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    So. Trump was impeached twice. What does that have to do with Clinton’s budgetary prowess?

  35. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Voters Still Want Principled, Conservative Policies
    And people in Hell want ice water. Enjoy your Trumpery.

  36. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Voters Still Want Principled, Conservative Policies
    And people in Hell want ice water. Enjoy your Trumpery.

  37. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    This kind of bull shit from Matt Adams makes me think, yet again, that I should avoid this blog.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      So responding to someone else’s comment is now BS? Perhaps you’re referring to the refutation FPOTUS Clinton being a budget master. I cited my work, it’s not drafted by a crackpot who’s without merit, so I don’t see how it could be BS either.

      Me thinks you have a problem taking criticism, which is how we as humans learn.

  38. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    This kind of bull shit from Matt Adams makes me think, yet again, that I should avoid this blog.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      So responding to someone else’s comment is now BS? Perhaps you’re referring to the refutation FPOTUS Clinton being a budget master. I cited my work, it’s not drafted by a crackpot who’s without merit, so I don’t see how it could be BS either.

      Me thinks you have a problem taking criticism, which is how we as humans learn.

  39. LarrytheG Avatar

    Naw, treat it like trying to walk in a dog walk park, just avoid the piles

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      It’s more like a walk at the zoo. The pooh doesn’t just sit, it is flung.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Nanook rubs it.

  40. LarrytheG Avatar

    Naw, treat it like trying to walk in a dog walk park, just avoid the piles

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      It’s more like a walk at the zoo. The pooh doesn’t just sit, it is flung.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Nanook rubs it.

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