Virginians Like their Colleges, But…

A broad majority of Virginians — 80% — believe that the state’s community colleges are “worth the cost,” according to a poll recently published by the Virginia Commonwealth University’s L. Douglas Wilder School of Government and Public Affairs. Sixty-six percent answered that four-year public colleges are worth the cost. But a bare plurality — 49% compared to 48% who disagreed — responded that private four-year colleges and universities were worth the money.

Ironically, community colleges are experiencing the worst erosion in enrollment of the three categories of higher education as prospective students decide they would rather take jobs in a booming economy than undergo training to get jobs.

In a double irony, Virginians who made the most money (more than $100,000) and had the highest level of education (a college degree) were significantly more likely to believe that community colleges were worth the money than Virginians with high school educations or less, or those making less than $50,000.

The poll, a random sample of 802 adults in Virginia conducted by landline and cell telephone from July 10-30, has a margin of error of 3.49 percentage points.

An implication of the poll is that Virginians are attuned to the cost of higher education. Consumers look most favorably upon community college, the least expensive of the three categories. Most also look favorably upon public colleges and universities, which are heavily subsidized by the state, though by a smaller margin. Virginians are most likely to be skeptical of the value proposition offered by private colleges, where the cost of attendance is highest on average (although most institutions discount tuition based on financial need).

Another implication of the poll is that private four-year colleges, most of which are liberal arts institutions, have a significant image problem to overcome. A quarter of Virginians (24%) responded that they “strongly disagree” with the proposition that private four-year colleges are worth the cost, while another quarter (24%) somewhat disagreed. Shrinking enrollment is threatening the viability of many small, liberal arts institutions. A hypothesis worth testing is that a significant share of the higher-ed market is shifting from higher-cost private colleges to lower-cost public colleges — thus throwing a lifeline to public colleges which otherwise might have been pricing themselves out of the market.

Finally, it is worth noting that among all the demographic variables collected by the pollsters — including age, employment status, race, education level, and geographic region — the most telling was party affiliation. While 79% of Democrats said that colleges and universities in Virginia are “doing a good job” in providing workforce skills, only 58% of Republicans and 51% of independents believed the same. Conversely, 40% of Republicans thought they were “doing a bad job,” while only 15% of Democrats believed the same.

In future polling, the Wilder School might explore this divide. Has the perception of politically correct thinking and ideological hostility to conservatives in higher ed soured Republicans on higher education generally? Has the animus generated by the campus culture wars spilled over to Republicans’ appraisals of the value of higher education? One would think that administrators would want to know whether or not they are alienating a third of their potential market.


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6 responses to “Virginians Like their Colleges, But…”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    re: ” Has the perception of politically correct thinking and ideological hostility to conservatives in higher ed soured Republicans on higher education generally? ”

    I don’t think Colleges started out hating Conservatives. They did not agree with their values but they were content to do their own thing and let Conservatives do their own things; Colleges were liberal and had no problem with being liberal.

    Conservatives could not accept this so they’ve been basically attacking colleges for their liberal leanings… and it’s pretty telling when you ask if higher ed is worth the money… most of the “noise” is obviously coming from Conservatives..

    As long as liberals LIKE higher ED the way it currently is and also think it’s worth the money – what exactly should the colleges be doing different?

    Do they really need to worry about Conservatives who bitch and moan, engage in destructive behaviors and in general are grumpy gusses and “get off my lawn” sourpusses… 😉

  2. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    The poll of course measures public attitudes, not reality. Whether or not a degree or educational experience is “worth it” is an economic decision, measurable, and the evidence remains fairly strong that it is. But clearly public attitudes are eroding based on a recognition that the cost is spiraling up out of control and an argument that it might not be as strong a value proposition is certainly growing stronger for many students, especially those not really preparing for a career. More BA degrees for baristas and Uber drivers and Kroger clerks doesn’t make much sense, especially if they leave school buried in debt – which the schools peddle like drug dealers.

    Given the level of political power in the hands of conservatives, Larry, and the wealth they might or might not be willing to donate beyond their tax payments, you’d have to be stupid beyond all measure not to care about the attitudes reflected in this poll. It is one reason I’ve spent years yelling at your fellow lemmings as they lead this parade toward disaster. Any college president who doesn’t look at that result and worry is a total fool.

    What you know about conservatives and their attitudes would fit on a 3 by 5 card with room for three of your longest posts, Larry. Basically I think there are many who just don’t think it is their job as taxpayers to educate somebody else’s kids through college, and maintain a lavish educational bureaucracy that never enters the classroom with fat salaries and benefits and a cushy work environment. It doesn’t help that many are liberal elitists who sneer at America, but that’s only part of the problem. They just don’t see the current higher ed set up as “worth it” to THEM, a good use of their money. As conservatives, and in contrast to liberals, they know who actually earned the money. And their concerns that the high schools are not producing enough strong graduates – those are dead on correct (but not entirely the schools’ fault.)

  3. smoretva Avatar

    “A hypothesis worth testing is that a significant share of the higher-ed market is shifting from higher-cost private colleges to lower-cost public colleges — thus throwing a lifeline to public colleges which otherwise might have been pricing themselves out of the market.”

    In particular, I think there is some evidence of talented high school students electing honors colleges within public universities that purport to offer some of the advantages of private liberal arts colleges at a fraction of the cost. For at least some private liberal arts colleges, I think that leakage to public honors colleges at flagship state universities grew over the last couple decades.

  4. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Jim Bacon reports that:

    “In a double irony, Virginians who made the most money (more than $100,000) and had the highest level of education (a college degree) were significantly more likely to believe that community colleges were worth the money than Virginians with high school educations or less, or those making less than $50,000.”

    Imagine, the Virginia Commonwealth University is now reduced to polling the opinions of young graduates of four year colleges on the quality and value of Community Colleges that they never attended so know absolutely nothing about. And we, the reading public, are expected to pour over and analyze those opinions of recent college graduates that are based on nothing more than their own total ignorance.

    Imagine too, that these “flagship state universities” that compile, publish and take so seriously this gibberish, are said to have spend their public dollars over the last couple decades in an effort to lure “talented high school students” away from private liberal art colleges to their very own “liberal arts honors colleges within public universities” whose tuition, despite going sky high over the past several decades, are still said to be a “fraction of the cost” of the private colleges that they want to “cannibalize” (i.e. shut down and put out of business) at taxpayers expense.

    Imagine, this is the state of public higher education in the Commonwealth of Virginia, nothing more than a cannibalistic free for all fight over ever more money and ever fewer students earning ever less education every year, despite public college and university tuition headed for the stratosphere.

    And Virginia is said to have one of the best systems of public higher education in the Nation! No wonder we are in such trouble.

  5. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Here’s a list of private colleges and universities in Virginia that Virginia’s public colleges and universities want to cannibalize and replace (shut down, put out of business) in the name of improving the quality and cost of higher education is Virginia.

    Averett University
    Bluefield College
    Bridgewater College
    Eastern Mennonite University
    Emory & Henry College
    Ferrum College
    Hampden-Sydney College
    Hampton University
    Hollins University
    Jefferson College of Health Sciences
    Liberty University
    Mary Baldwin University
    Marymount University
    Randolph College
    Randolph-Macon College
    Roanoke College
    Shenandoah University
    Southern Virginia University
    Sweet Briar College
    University of Lynchburg
    University of Richmond
    Virginia Union University
    Virginia Wesleyan University
    Washington and Lee University

    Imagine, if state schools the put these private institutions out of business, how much we will improve the Commonwealth, its prosperity, its diversity, its quality of life, and freedom of choice.

  6. djrippert Avatar
    djrippert

    “In a double irony, Virginians who made the most money (more than $100,000) and had the highest level of education (a college degree) were significantly more likely to believe that community colleges were worth the money than Virginians with high school educations or less, or those making less than $50,000.”

    That’s not even a single irony. Well paid people with college degrees typically have children with four-year college aspirations. They know what it actually costs to send a kid to a four year college away from home. They also believe in the value of an education and can easily appreciate how a family of modest means couldn’t possibly afford those four year colleges. Therefore, community college seems like a pretty good deal.

    People making under $50,000 per year see community colleges as places where you go, study and don’t make any salary. Given the marginal utility of money, being without salary for two years is a big hit. Meanwhile, plumbers in Virginia make between $14.00 per hour and $30.00 per hour or between $28,000 and $60,000 per year (assuming full employment). What’s more lucrative – moving from the low end to the high end of plumber wages or taking two years away from plumbing to get an associate’s degree?

    https://www.sokanu.com/careers/plumber/salary/virginia/

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