Virginia, School Choice and Charter Schools – The National Map

by James C. Sherlock

One of the most curious aspects of discussions about Virginia, school choice, and charter schools is that Virginia progressives attack both as a conservative plot.

And mostly get away with it.

The claim is demonstrably preposterous, but effective so far because Republicans don’t offer an organized response.

I offer a map of the United States annotated with the percentage of public school kids attending public charter schools in 2019.

If Virginia progressives can discern some pattern of red states vs. blue states, they should speak up.

State laws vary, but each of the states with significant numbers of charters has a state-appointed charter authority that is not dependent upon approval by local school boards.

“Conservative” Washington, D.C., had 43% of its public school kids in charters.

Far from being totalitarianism, as goes the progressive line in Virginia, this is the result of popular constitutional amendments in virtually every state shown above in green.

Seems voters in those states wanted parents with kids in their worst schools to have options.

So will the voters of Virginia. Just show them the map during the campaign.

In 2019, Virginia was in a small class with West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, Kansas, Iowa, Wyoming and Washington with few if any charter schools. Mississippi and Alabama have since then worked to expand charters through state authorizer boards. Iowa just passed and the Governor signed one of the most sweeping school choice laws in the country. So did Kansas.

West Virginia offers parents an education savings account (ESA) program and intra-district and inter-district public school choice via open enrollment.

Wyoming, with 580,000 people, has five charter schools and a state charter authority.

Virginia, with more than 8 million people, has six charters and no state charter authority. So we are the ultimate outlier.

Five small Northern tier states had no charter school law in 2019. Of those, Nebraska and North Dakota offer inter- and intra-district public school choice via open enrollment.

Vermont’s Town Tuitioning Program

was launched in 1869, making it the oldest school choice program. The school voucher program provides educational options for students whose towns do not have public schools. The sending town pays school tuition directly to the “receiving” school, which can be any public or private, in or outside Vermont.

Virginia is thus on an island with the states of Washington, South Dakota and Montana offering no real school choice.

Virginia’s charter school law, by requiring charters to be issued by school divisions, purposely ensures there will be few if any. Virginia has no inter- and intra-district public school choice.

We need a constitutional amendment in Virginia to create a state or state-appointed authority to grant charters to rescue kids in our worst schools and school divisions from a lifelong sentence of lower quality lives than they deserve.

The same amendment should mandate inter- and intra-division public school choice.

Show Virginia voters the map.

 


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66 responses to “Virginia, School Choice and Charter Schools – The National Map”

  1. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    The article observes that there appears to be no pattern of charter schools in red v blue states, i.e. no totalitarian plan to demonstrate progressive criticism. But…is red v blue a valid criterion as such is generally understood to represent D v R?

    “Seems voters in those states wanted parents with kids in their worst schools to have options.
    So will the voters of Virginia. Just show them the map during the campaign.” Convincing VA voters with a red v blue map hardly seems persuasive or credible. Choosing “options” will rest upon the merits of the proposal. To persuade voters who want options for parents with kids is another matter involving a larger population many of whom may be public school graduates favoring improvement in public schools as opposed to launching another independent bureaucracy.

    1. killerhertz Avatar
      killerhertz

      Some people just don’t want the government educating their kids and deciding what and how to learn.

      The Prussian school pedagogy is good for cranking out midwit workers for an industrial era and that’s about it.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        every single industrialized country uses that approach though ….. name a country that does not do it that way.

        1. killerhertz Avatar
          killerhertz

          That’s not a good logical argument

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            show me a superior alternative…. that’s logical, right?

          2. killerhertz Avatar
            killerhertz

            If you give people money to spend as they please, yes they will make a more informed decision on how to educate their children than the state. The bureacrats at the county, state, and federal level don’t.

          3. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Or not spend those funds on education at all leaving the nation at the back of the line, woefully uneducated.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Govt-funded charter schools are not the govt educating?

        1. killerhertz Avatar
          killerhertz

          I’m not advocating for government charter schools. Ideally the education mandate should be abolished or at a minimum just give parents the equivalent cost to educate their children in the public sector back to them.

          Unless of course you think that parent’s don’t know what’s best for their kids.

          It’s a bit comical that you ivory tower types believe that if public education requirement goes away people will suddenly stop educating their children. It’s nonsense.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            so taking money from some people and giving it to others to choose to spend as they please ?
            sounds like socialism, no?

          2. killerhertz Avatar
            killerhertz

            Wait so the government taking money from everyone and giving it to their special interest is better somehow than giving the money directly to the parents to spend on their kids?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            conflate much? A LOT of this is at the local level. You want to tax some folks for their homes and give it to others to spend as they choose on their kids? that kind of “special interest” ?

          4. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            i’m with killerhertz here – what’s the difference? Take money from a childless couple and use it to fund a monopoly government school or take money from a childless couple and give it to the parents to educate their children however they see fit.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            accountability?

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I’d had no trouble what-so-ever if Charter schools:

            1. – could only accept kids who were not doing well in public schools
            2. – they have to meet the very same SOL (or NAEP or equivalent) accountability

            In other words, charter schools have to perform for the demographic that is being claimed
            to justify their role.

            I’m NOT in favor of taxpayer-funded private “a;academies” with no accountability.

          7. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            “If they see fit!!” Why in heck did the nation legislate mandatory public education when it simply could have given a few bucks to parents? Common wealth is not necessary in the light of enlightened conservatism.

          8. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            And subject those funds to sunset provisions and/or annual appropriation by the government. Lump those funds in with SS and Medicare to be divvied up annually. All that’s required are teachers willing to sustain that hummer and school buildings without heat. Until the moment conservatives (and libertarians) woke the public school system as a whole was working well. Woke conservatives wish to tear down the whole shebang along with Steve Bannon’s deconstruction crew.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            correct, except they DO want to take money from people and give to others.

          10. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Impossible!! That means sharing the common wealth even with folks who contribute little. You’re joking, no?

          11. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            well, they’re supposed to give back at some point, when it becomes their turn…. 😉

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Yes. Charters are public schools.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            so schools provided and controlled by the same govt that also provides conventional public schools?

            For what it’s worth. I support voter-decided questions even if they are not my preference and I
            support that way, way more than top-down state level autocracy. If Charter Schools really are better than conventional public schools, local voters can make that choice. If the GOP had any real guts on the issue, they’d actually run candidates in the urban areas – the majority-minority districts and promise to bring it to a vote. Way better than the current feckless approach.

      3. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        While homeschooling may not be a viable choice for those who wish to avoid “government” education, it is a choice. When mandatory public education was legislated across the nation, the goals wer to remove child labor from predatory commercial enterprises (a phenomenon recurring today with immigrant children) and create an educated citizenry. Lots of room for improvement. Nor may charter schools address all complaints.
        Deciding what to learn involves acceptance of a common set of standards.

        1. killerhertz Avatar
          killerhertz

          American citizens are anything but educated. You should read a book by John Taylor Gatto.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            so you’d take money from some folks and give it to the uneducated to spend as they please?

          2. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Consider an America constituted of only agrarian and child laborers as voters, taxpayers, and elected leaders. “anything but educated” by what measures?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            3rd world

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      We will find out what voters favor when and if the Republican party gets its act together and runs on the issue.

      Given the disfunctionality of Virginia’s Republican Party, that may turn out to be the twelfth of never.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        It’s a matter of political backbone not “getting act together”.

        If they really do believe that , run on it , openly and honestly and let the voters decide.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Never accuse the Republican Party of Virginia of lack of political backbone in any case that can be explained by incompetence.

      2. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Maybe. Sadly, that dysfunction seems to be following the trickle down economic theory of Repubs. The nation needs a coherent GOP.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Those, my misleading friend, are not the performance curves of “all those charter schools” that you lead your remarks with.

      They actually show the what the need was for charters and open enrollment in those states.

      But you know that.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Those are all the public schools of which charters are a part. If a school district is not benefited by the use of Charter schools (which apparently it won’t be based on this data) why are you forcing them on it?

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          “Which apparently won’t be based on this data.”

          So you are doubling down on the misrepresentation that the data you offer represent the contributions of charter schools. Which you know it does not.

          In military aviation, the signal for out of ammunition is “Winchester” for weapons other than guns and “guns dry” for those.

          Use them. It uses less effort and avoids embarrassment.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Are you trying to say this data does not include contributions from Charters? Clearly, if Charters improved the public school system, it would show up in these states where Charters are extensively used yet those states underperform those states with fewer Charters.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Are you trying to say this data does not include contributions from Charters? Clearly, if Charters improved the public school system, it would show up in these states where Charters are extensively used yet those states underperform those states with fewer Charters.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Are you trying to say this data does not include contributions from Charters? Clearly, if Charters improved the public school system, it would show up in these states where Charters are extensively used yet those states underperform those states with fewer Charters.

  2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    With Youngkin campaigning on a promise to establish more charter schools in the Commonwealth, why did the administration not submit legislation to amend the state constitution to enable that to happen?

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    With Youngkin campaigning on a promise to establish more charter schools in the Commonwealth, why did the administration not submit legislation to amend the state constitution to enable that to happen?

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I’m just AGOG cuz most of those Charter states, Red and Blue also have those super nasty teacher unions! wow!

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Teachers unions in every case in the green states lost their battles against charters. They have won them in Virginia.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Perhaps because they can make unlimited campaign donations in Virginia and not in the vast majority of other states?

  5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Virginia’s charter school law, by requiring charters to be issued by school divisions, purposely ensures there will be few if any.”

    And why that is true in Conservative districts continues to stymie, eh…? I guess it must be forced on them as well – hail, hail big central government!!

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      They are not generally needed in conservative-run districts.

      It is the old, minority-majority inner cities whose school boards and schools deny their children opportunities for better lives.

      But then you know that.

    2. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      New word of the day in my email: brummagen meaning cheap, showy, counterfeit. Paraphrase Tom Cruise: “Show me the charter school map!!”

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      They are not generally needed in conservative-run districts.

      It is the old, minority-majority inner cities whose school boards and schools deny their children opportunities for better lives.

      But then you know that.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Are you suggesting that those “minority majority inner cities” are not providing equitable education? Equal education?
        Conservative run districts are not denying educational quality or equity? Show the map of that proposition.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Constitution of Virginia

          “The General Assembly shall provide for a system of free public elementary and secondary schools for all children of school age throughout the Commonwealth, and shall seek to ensure that an educational program of high quality is established and continually maintained.”

          I am not just suggesting that the old majority-minority cities – Richmond, Petersburg, Portsmouth, Norfolk, Danville, Franklin, Martinsville, Newport News, et al – are not providing a high quality education, I am flat out stating it and the data back me up.

          Don’t ever again tell me what I need to do.

          Let your fingers do the walking. Go to http://schoolquality.virginia.gov and enter those cities and click on assessments.

          Get back to us with what you see. Have fun.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Sheesh!!! Monday morning cranky? Just asking questions as is your wont. I did not inquire about “high quality education” only about equal and equitable in majority minority in inner cities.. Y’all, as is your usual, offered a different response. Your map is not evidence of the effectiveness of charter schools, only emergence of their existence in some states which may be red or blue. Don’t ever chastise me for your shortcomings in making a political point by deflecting. “Really can’t stand being exposed, huh?” to quote a wise person.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “They are not generally needed in conservative-run districts.”

        If charters are so great, why haven’t they been used in Conservative districts in VA some of which have abysmal schools as well? You don’t think it has something to do with not enough kids in those Conservative districts for the charter corporations to make money off of now do you… only large urban schools provide the proper ROI…?

    4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Really can’t stand being exposed, huh?

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Me or Tom Cruise?

  6. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    With Youngkin campaigning on a promise to establish more charter schools in the Commonwealth, why did the administration not submit legislation to amend the state constitution to enable that to happen?

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Because it is not needed. Charter Schools can be started in any school district in the Commonwealth already.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        “It (a charter school) is not needed”.

        Go to http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/petersburg-city-public-schools#desktopTabs-2. and tell me what you see.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Don’t misquote what I wrote. I was clearly referring to “legislation to amend the state constitution”. If Charters are needed, they are allowed under existing law.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            I share your frustration as I have experienced the same. I suspect ideology causes poor reading.

    2. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Because the legislators had not seen the red v blue map.

    3. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      That is an excellent question.

    4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I don’t know, so I will guess.

      He clearly knew the constitutional limitations because he and his his advisors wanted to move quickly and came up with the “lab schools” idea that did not need an amendment. I personally oppose that idea for a list of reasons.

      I suspect he also thought a constitutional amendment too hard to explain in the campaign when the Republican party had not plowed that ground in more than a decade.

      That said, I think he should back it now.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        I can hazard another guess. He didn’t know much about charter schools and did not really care. After all, he could afford to send his kids to an expensive school. But his campaign needed some direction and some issues to appeal to a base and he latched on to this one. He has now been in office for more than a year and has done nothing about this issue. Lab schools? Give me a break.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          You “guessed” that “He didn’t know much about charter schools and did not really care.”

          It is unworthy of you to attribute, without any evidence, ignorance and lack of basic human decency to a man of his accomplishments, don’t you think, Dick?

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Another mind reading misquote. DHS did NOT even hint at “a lack of basic human decency.” An opinion about lack of knowledge about charter schools is not a comment or allegation of a lack of basic human decency. Stop the twisting.

    5. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I agree. It’s a bit of a mystery. For instance, when he decided to “help” Peterburg , why not work with them
      to stand up a charter school?

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        You and Eric ought to start a nightclub act.

        The governor and his cabinet are working with Petersburg to help them accomplish their goals, not his. The rule is that Petersburg has to take the lead and the state will help.

        Petersburg schools are objectively horrible.

        The Petersburg school board is utterly dysfunctional.

        Both have been true for a generation.

        The governor’s Secretary of Education will try to help that school board, and I wish her luck.

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