Virginia Democrats Want to Deal With Criminals 18-20 in the Juvenile Justice System

by James C. Sherlock

I received an update yesterday from the NAACP on legislation that caught their interest in the 2023 General Assembly.

One bill that did not pass, but got party line Democratic support in the Senate Judiciary Committee, in turn caught my eye.

It was SB 1080 Juvenile and domestic relations district courts; adjudication of delinquency. Patrons were Senators Edwards, Boysko and Surovell. It was not some fringe bill. This is a mainstream Democratic goal.

The NAACP wanted me to know they wanted it reintroduced next year.

Delinquency is currently defined as criminal complaints for felonies or misdemeanors filed against a juvenile age 17 and under.

Democrats, unanimous in the Senate Judiciary Committee, voted to create a newly-defined class of “underage persons,” 18-20, and handle them in the juvenile justice system as well.

Seriously. Twenty-year-old felons in juvenile detention facilities.

They voted for that.

The bill, summarized here with a link to the full bill:

Raises the maximum age for delinquency matters in juvenile and domestic relations district courts from persons under 18 years of age to persons under 21 years of age.

The bill defines “underage person” as an individual who is 18 years of age or older but younger than 21 years of age.

The bill adds underage persons to all provisions regarding delinquency proceedings in juvenile and domestic relations district courts, the transfer of delinquency matters to circuit courts, and criminal procedure as currently applies to juveniles only.

All the Democrats on Judiciary — Senators Edwards, Deeds, Saslaw, Lucas, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, and Morrissey — voted in favor.

The bill failed in Senate Finance and Appropriations. You can read the eye-popping Fiscal Impact Statement here. But spending public money on something they want has never slowed progressives down for long.

Democrats mean for this to become law. For those who want to pass this off as mere virtue signaling to the base, perhaps they should define “virtue” for the rest of us. And “base.”

Ignore for a moment the enormous impacts on:

  • Juvenile and Domestic Relations Courts –  an extra 162,000 cases per year;
  • The juvenile court services units — the tripling of annual intakes; and,
  • Juvenile correctional centers and juvenile detention homes.

Virginians need to consider whether this is what we as a society should do.

It’s not like they are going to be rehabilitated in a Juvenile Detention Center (JDC) facility alongside the adolescents.

At the last report in 2020, the majority (68%) of youth released from a JDC rehabilitative program between FY16 and FY18 were re-convicted within two years. The majority of these re-convictions occurred within the first year of a youth’s release.

Let’s see how that works with 18- to 20-year-olds.

Do we want criminal adults 18-21 to labeled as “underage persons” and treated as juveniles? Handled like juveniles for processing? Cases heard in front of juvenile court judges? Mixed with juveniles in detention? Victims notified only upon request? The public excluded from court proceedings? Records treated like juvenile records?

The societal implications, not the least for the true juveniles in the juvenile justice system today, are chilling.

Elected Democrats are in favor. A question for them:

Why stop at 21?


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25 responses to “Virginia Democrats Want to Deal With Criminals 18-20 in the Juvenile Justice System”

  1. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    10/14/1998 Dwayne Wright Black 17 Virginia Lethal Injection

    01/10/2000 Douglas Thomas White 17 Virginia Lethal Injection

    01/13/2000 Steven Roach White 17 Virginia Lethal Injection

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Nice try in changing the subject. Didn’t work.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Age shouldn’t be the final determining factor. As I joked the other day, age isn’t measured in years, but by what dries up and what starts leaking. Trump, when indicted, should be tried in juvenile court.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          If not age, what would you recommend we use to determine whether a young person needs to be processed in the juvenile courts.

          I doubt the judicial system has the time or money to investigate in detail the apparent maturity level of every single defendant between the ages of 16 and 21.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I dunno, but just try to avoid this kind of travesty.

            “ A number of Missouri’s six executions so far this year have also raised serious legal issues. On March 17, the state executed Cecil Clayton, a man with an IQ of 71 who suffered from dementia and was missing part of his brain as a result of a sawmill accident that occurred before his crime. On April 14, it executed Andre Cole amid concerns about racial bias and his mental competency. Cole, a black man, was sentenced to death by an all-white St. Louis County jury. Richard Strong was executed on June 9 over the protests of four Supreme Court justices, who would have stayed the execution in order to hear a challenge to Missouri’s secretive lethal injection process. Strong was also severely mentally ill, but his trial counsel failed to present evidence of his mental illness to the jury.”

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Back to the well, eh. In what part of this article did I reference executions?

          3. WayneS Avatar

            Okay, but you are focusing on travesties in punishment. I am concerned with which court system should handle criminal cases involving people in the 16-21 age range.

            How old was the guy who was missing part of his brain, anyway? I suspect he was over 21.

    2. WayneS Avatar

      Were Stephen Roach White and Douglas Thomas White brothers?

      Seriously, though, I want to know why democrats are so dead set on doing this, and the executions of a few 17-year-olds more than twenty years ago cannot be the answer.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        They were Dwayne’s cousin. The family made Scotch. We are learning more about development problems. At 18/they can’t rent a car.

    3. James Kiser Avatar
      James Kiser

      Good Riddance

    4. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Irrelevant to the topic at hand. The blog is about people aged 18, 19, and 20. Not 17.

  2. Come on… we all now know that ‘age’ is a White Euro-centric derived dribble to keep criminals apart from us. These youngsters do not have fully developed brains to determine right from wrong [and can’t be held accountable] —but do have the where-with-all to be allowed to change gender.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Shades of Hans Bader!

  4. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    More proof that democrats support the criminal and thug and not the victim.

  5. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Further infantilization of young adults by the left. College graduates shouldn’t be required to pay off the loans they took out. Adult criminals should be treated as juveniles.

    Sounds like the voting age needs to be 21 again, right progressives?

    Too young to legally drink, too young to be held accountable under the law as adults, too young to pay off the debts you take … too young to vote.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Apparently the progressives’ famed “school-to-prison pipeline” goes all the way through community college and second year of 4-year colleges. Who knew?

  6. I’ve got an idea — let’s decriminalize crime!

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      maybe channeling Tucker Carlson? 😉

    2. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      You’re onto something. An oxymoron might better serve as a political plank. OUTLAW CRIME!!!! The early Greeks would have liked it.

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Under current law, in cases in which a juvenile is being tried as an adult and is convicted, judges have the option of ordering the juvenile held in a juvenile correctional center until age 21, at which time he is to be transferred to the Dept. of Corrections to serve the remainder of his sentence. These older offenders are a significant management problem for the Dept. of Juvenile Justice (DJJ). Having more older offenders in these facilities would only exacerbate these problems.

    In the committee discussion on the bill, the justification given for the bill was medical research showing that persons 18-20 years old are more likely to have poorer judgment than those 21 and older. They are more prone to rash decisions and more susceptible to peer pressure.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      one might also argue that putting a 20, 21 year old in a prison with older violent felons is not the best either.

      Do you know if Virginia tries to keep younger first-time offenders segregated from older career violent felons?

    2. James Kiser Avatar
      James Kiser

      one more reason they shouldn’t be allowed to vote till 25.

  8. Teddy007 Avatar
    Teddy007

    If the Republicans believe that 18-20 y/o are not mature enough to purchase alcohol, purchase tobacco, or have sex reassignment surgery, thenn how do they justify treating them as adults for the criminal justice system.

  9. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Are people between 18 & 20 adults or not?

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      For some individuals clearly it depends on the topic.

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