UVA Soft on Nazis but Brutal to Students?

White supremacists carry tiki torches in 2017 march through Thomas Jefferson’s Academical Village. Photo credit: Salon.com.

by James A. Bacon

A continuing meme in the ongoing rhetorical battle between leftists and anarchists on the one hand and the Ryan administration on the other is that University of Virginia authorities brutally cracked down on peaceful protesters May 4 while allowing White supremacists to march through UVA unmolested in 2017.

For example, the Virginia Student Power Network posted the following on its Instagram account three days ago:

#Charlottesville students who stood up to torch-bearing Nazis in 2017 affirm their solidarity with the UVA encampment for Gaza, which is currently being threatened by dozens of cops in riot gear – the same police agencies that were fully aware of + allowed 300+ white supremacists with torches and guns on UVA’s campus.

UVA President Jim Ryan took the meme seriously enough that he addressed it during the virtual “town hall” meeting yesterday in defense of his decision to shut down the UVA Encampment for Gaza protest.


Read more about the UVA encampment controversy: Critics Don’t Buy Ryan’s Tent-Takedown Rationale


In a future post, we’ll deal with the spin that the Encampment was a “peaceful” protest. It was, in fact, a protest that pushed the outer boundaries of peacefulness as we shall document. For now, we will focus on the simplistic notion that UVA applied double standards for White supremacists and pro-Palestinians.

Ryan wasn’t president of UVA in 2017 when the Unite the Right rally occurred. On August 11, the evening before the main event, which devolved into chaos and the death of a counter-protester, 300 White supremacists marched through the heart of Mr. Jefferson’s University bearing tiki torches. Traumatized by the episode, UVA reviewed its response to the event and put new restrictions in place. In shutting down the encampment in 2024, UVA was enforcing those restrictions, Ryan explained during the town hall presentation.

Among UVA’s top leaders taking part in the town hall, Provost Ian Baucom was the only one employed at the University in 2017; he was dean of the College of Arts & Sciences at the time. “I participated in an extensive review of 2017 actions,” he said. “We discovered that we hadn’t readied the university with time, place and manner restrictions that would have allowed the university to step in.” Questions needed answering. How do we designate protest zones? How do we think about affiliated and unaffiliated people? The University has to balance protecting free speech while addressing safety risks, he said.

University Police Chief Tim Longo, who also joined UVA after the Unite the Right rally, said one of the things to go wrong in 2017 was the lack of a unified command. To avoid a repeat, local law enforcement put into place a structure to ensure tight collaboration between university police, the UVA administration, local law enforcement, and state police. During the run-up to the pro-Palestinian tent crackdown, all of those elements were represented in a “command post” set up to deal with the situation. “Every decision made along the way was made in a collective way,” he said. “The message was very clear about how we would go about our work. I can’t say that was true in 2017.”

In sum, the 2017 Unite the Right tragedy forced the University to think through issues it had not confronted in its recent history. The reforms created processes and protocols that were applied in 2024.

The comparison between 2017 and 2024 is flawed for another reason. Many in the Charlottesville community mythologize what happened during the infamous tiki-torch march. The event is remembered as a traumatic if not violent invasion of the University by Neo-Nazis, the KKK, and other White supremacists. But, to borrow a phrase that has been common currency since the 2020 George Floyd riots, the march was “mostly peaceful.” Indeed, it was entirely “peaceful” until the very end when a scuffle occurred with counter-protesters and police intervened to chase off the crowds.

The definitive account of the Unite the Right rally was compiled by Timothy Heaphy, at the time an attorney with the Hunton & Williams law firm. Heaphy later became university counsel under Jim Ryan, and then the lead investigator for Congress’ January 6 riots. The following is extracted from his report, “Independent Review of the 2017 Protest Events in Charlottesville, Virginia.”

The organizer of the tiki torch march, former UVA student Jason Kessler, did not share his plans with university authorities. It was not until 3:13 the afternoon before the march that the University Police Department (UPD) received firm intelligence that the march was planned. UPD Chief Michael Gibson devised what he thought was an adequate plan to deal with the situation. He doubled the number of officers on duty, staging a group near the Rotunda to monitor the march and keeping additional officers on call near UPD headquarters.

Under pressure from one of his supporters to inform law enforcement of the march, Kessler himself placed a call around 5:00 p.m. to notify UPD of his planned activities. Around 8:10 p.m., one of Kessler’s operatives contacted UPD and said the march would begin at Nameless Field around 10:00. According to Heaphy, Gibson was not worried. He said in an email that his officers were “good for right now” and were “watching this closely.”

However, word of the march leaked out on social media, and counter-protesters, who were mobilizing to oppose the White supremacists the following day, decided to take action. Around 9:15 p.m., students and members of the community assembled around the Thomas Jefferson statue in front of the Rotunda.

Contrary to representations made to UPD, the tiki-torch march started earlier than 10:00, and it took a different route — down the Lawn, on both sides of the Rotunda, and toward the plaza with the Jefferson statue. Heaphy described what happened next:

Marchers formed a semi-circle around the Jefferson statue. The small group of counter-protesters who were waiting for them locked arms. Emily Gorcenski recalled observing that after the march began, she ran to the Jefferson statue, and warned the group that a large group was coming, with torches. When she noticed that no police were in sight, Gorcenski decided to remain with the group. When the torch bearing marchers arrived, confrontations ensued, as the counter-protesters exchanged taunts with march participants. On at least one occasion, a counter-protester attempted to knock down a torch, resulting in a physical altercation. At some point, Gorcenski recalled seeing Chris Cantwell [a White supremacist, ed.] deploy mace. Both Cantwell and Gorcenski claimed to have suffered injuries as a result of a chemical agent.

University Professor Walt Heinecke [who would participate in the 2024 Encampment for Gaza rally, –ed.] arrived at St. Paul’s to participate in the training scheduled for 9:30, only to learn that his students were “surrounded by Nazis in front of the Rotunda.” Heinecke noted that the students involved had “taken nonviolent training,” but were very frightened.” Heinecke recalled seeing a torch thrown in the direction of University Dean of Students Allen Groves….

Seeing disorders break out, UPD officer Scott Smallwood requested assistance around 10:16 p.m. UPD Sergeant Pleasants radioed for help from all available units, including city and state police. Some Charlottesville police officers showed up a minute later, but there were no commanders on the scene so the officers were unsure what to do. Although the White supremacist march had begun breaking up, large crowds still surrounded the statue.

By 10:24, the law-enforcement officers on the scene had gotten organized enough to move on the crowd. Using a squad car microphone, they issued an order to disperse. Police formed a two-deep line but delayed acting until a student in a wheelchair could depart. Officers drew collapsible batons and marched across the plaza, funneling protesters away from the Jefferson statue. The area was cleared by 10:29. UPD made one arrest in the aftermath.

In an interview with Heaphy, Chief Gibson “downplayed the incident, noting that it lasted for less than an hour and did not result in any serious injuries. He retired as UPD chief the following year.

In his analysis of what went wrong, Heaphy argued that Gibson failed to develop a plan to maintain separation between the alt-right marchers and counter-protesters, and he failed to work with his counterparts in Charlottesville, Albemarle County and state law enforcement to create a unified response. He treated Kessler’s march like any other political event. The University’s public areas were open to protesters of any ideology, and UPD would intervene only if laws were broken. “UPD waited for violence to occur before requesting … assistance,” Heaphy wrote.

Addressing the larger Unite the Right rally the next day, which saw significantly more violence, Heaphy criticized the response of the Charlottesville Police Department, Charlottesville City Council, the Virginia State Police, the failure to separate White supremacists from counter-protesters, the failure to intervene in violent disorders, the failure to equip police with sufficient protective gear, and the lack of interoperable communications, and the lack of unified decision making. The problem was not an unwillingness of University police to enforce time, place and manner restrictions that did not exist at the time. The problem was a total lack of preparedness across all levels of government and law enforcement — a lack that local officials proceeded to remedy.

James A. Bacon is Contributing Editor to The Jefferson Council. This article was republished with permission from The Jefferson Council blog.


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67 responses to “UVA Soft on Nazis but Brutal to Students?”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    So essentially since Nazis invaded campus and killed a student, we must now set the State Police Riot Squad loose on anyone who dares to put up a tent and chant…. guess what, the Nazis won…

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Was a time that Jewish lawyers with the ACLU would sue so that the KKK and Nazis could parade and hold protests. Guess that altruism has a limit.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      The person who drove into the crowd was fully prosecuted and convicted. And it wasn’t on grounds, Eric.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Based on this TJC article, it had the same impact as I described… so… what…?

  2. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Hitler and the Nazis received the strong support of the anti-Zionist leaders of the Arab world before and during WWII. Hamas and Nazis are cut from exactly, exactly the same bolt of swastika decorated cloth.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-mufti-and-the-f-uuml-hrer

    1. William O'Keefe Avatar
      William O’Keefe

      men to that Stephen. We need to view all of this in a clear eyed manner; not fuzzy headed thinking or what passes as thinking.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Paris Mosque… read its history.

      Was a time that Jewish lawyers with the ACLU would sue so that the KKK and Nazis could parade and hold protests. Guess that altruism has a limit.

    3. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      The Grand Mufti loved him some Hitler and hated him some Jews.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish people in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: “The Jews are yours.”

        — from the memoirs of Hajj Amin al-Husseini

      2. WayneS Avatar

        Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish people in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: “The Jews are yours.”

        — from the memoirs of Hajj Amin al-Husseini

  3. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    Thank you. That is a very clear description that details how 2017 was different from today. The critical point being that today’s rules were developed following the realization that there were no rules in place in 2017. Ideology is not the issue, the issue is behavior.

    We are dealing with some interesting questions. The 1st Amendment guarantees the right to “assemble and petition”. What does “assemble” mean? Long ago in the Viet Nam era we would gather to protest and then pretty much go home. Assemble was very time limited, as in a day. That changed with Occupy where encampments spanning weeks and sometimes months were assembled. Today UVa and other places ban tents and encampments as exercise of the right to assemble.

    The Bonus Army assembled on the Mall for an extended period almost a century ago. Unite the Right played by the rules and got required permits, sometimes by court order, for its assembly yet it was assaulted with the encouragement of state and local government. The Clergy of C’ville assembled and linked arms to prevent access to the park where Unite the Right had a permit for its rally.

    What does the right to “assemble” mean? What should its limits be?

    1. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      you forgot a key word in the 1st Amendment. It protects the right to PEACEABLY assemble.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        They were peaceably assembled. Their offense was putting up a tent.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        They were peaceably assembled. Their offense was putting up a tent.

        1. Marty Chapman Avatar
          Marty Chapman

          peaceably does not include trespassing and does require compliance with reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            They were not trespassing (in fact, they were told they could remain) in that place at that time. Their offense was put up a tent which one could argue was a part of their protest statement which the government can not restrict. In any case, they were peaceably assembled.

          2. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            UVA’s presentation says otherwise.

          3. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            and they can assert their rights in court.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You have the right… if you can enforce that right through the courts, that is… the new Conservative position…

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You have the right… if you can enforce that right through the courts, that is… the new Conservative position…

          6. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            That is why we have courts, and laws and a written Constitution.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Well… you can also try for a pardon… or be reclassified as a “hostage”….

          8. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Is going to court your standard and a prerequisite for exercising any Constitutional right?

            How is putting up a tent a violation of the right to peaceably assemble?

          9. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            According to media reports around 25 were arrested for trespassing. There is no right to trespass.

          10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Again, arrested for trespassing immediately after they were told they could stay…. 🤷‍♂️

          11. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            tell it to the judge!

          12. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Certainly hope they do…

          13. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            UVa is a public institution bound by the Constitution. How can a
            local regulation defining assembly as trespass trump the 1st Amendment?

            Gets back to the questions I have been asking. What are the limits on the right to assemble, and why.

            If I knew what the answers were I’d be asserting them. I don’t and am looking for some help to figure them out.

            One thing I am sure of is that it needs to be the same standard for assembly I like as for assembly I despise.

          14. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            People have the right to peaceable assembly all they like, however, their Tents don’t have 1st Amendment rights. They are stepping on the rights of others with their occupation of public spaces, by inhibiting the use of that public space by others.

            There is already case law speaking to this subject from 1984. Clark v Community for Creative Nonviolence.

            We’ve been here before in recent memory with Occupy Wall Street. You’re free to protest all you like, however if you’re going to construct temporary housing, you’re going to need a permit.

          15. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Are there other limits on the right to assemble, with peaceably being the only enumerated one?

            I was asking a real question. Is the right to assemble time limited? Is it a day, a week, longer? Can it involve structures like tents and tables for literature?

            What are “reasonable” restrictions? Can you be required to get a permit from government to exercise your right to assemble?

            Peaceably modifies assembly, not speech in the amendment. Can immoderate protected speech cancel the right to assemble? I was asking real questions. Please energize your brains and not just your knee jerk reactions.

          16. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            there are reasonable time, manner, and place restrictions on the right to assemble. For example you have no right to assemble in my living room. Here is a question for you. Did the Jan 6 protesters have a right to assemble inside the Capitol?

          17. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            The discussions are about assembly on public property that is covered by the Constitution. You are certainly right about assembly in your living room, but that is not at issue.

            They had the right to assemble at the Capitol. There may be limits on entrance into the Capitol. Breaking in crossed over into prohibited behavior, specifically a riot that many of the charges target.

            What about those who were waved in through open doors by Capitol police and were orderly peaceable gawking tourists once inside? They certainly should not be charged with obstruction felonies under Sarbanes/Oxley that was enacted due to Enron and Arthur Anderson’s shenanigans as some of them have been.

          18. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Ok, do you have a right to assemble and block I-64. I would argue you do not.

          19. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            That kind of thing is one of the questions, and one where I would agree with you. What is the logic that describes how to make that kind of decision?

            Putting up a tent on public property to live is ok in many places today. Why should it be illegal trespass at others? How does one trespass on public property?

            Years ago the civil rights movement did not contest many of those decisions and accepted arrest for civil disobedience as the price for assembling and petitioning. Should they have had to pay that price to exercise a Constitutional right?

          20. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Public property generally has some sort of custodian or management who can set reasonable standards. “Reasonable” can be a function of time, place, and manner particularly when other rights are being affected or there are safety concerns. For example the Bell Tower at Capitol Square is often the site of protests. The Governor’s Mansion is nearby. I expect restrictions on amplification and time of day would be reasonable.

    2. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      First A = “peacefully assemble.”

  4. Randy Huffman Avatar
    Randy Huffman

    Great research and analysis, thanks.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      People can weigh in , in person ? what a concept!

      1. WayneS Avatar

        We’ll find out whether or not everybody is allowed to weigh in soon enough.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Interestingly, there is evidence out there that Ryan pre-screened questions during the “Q&A” portion of his call thereby excluding undesirable difficult questions…

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            The issue is a humongo mud bog and no one wants to wade in………..

          2. WayneS Avatar

            If that is true them I am disappointed in him. Screening out cursing, screaming, lunatics is one thing. Refusing to hear the other side is not good practice.

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Not evidence. He did. Same happened during the Covid Town Halls. All the questions/comments were “kissy, kissy, we love you for saving our kids, kissy, kissy.”

            UVA carefully controls the narrative and curates its own propaganda. Now that you don’t like it, glad you finally noticed.

    2. WayneS Avatar

      “Honest Town Hall” = A bunch of people expounding views that comport with your preconceived notions?

    1. Randy Huffman Avatar
      Randy Huffman

      Her quote, I would not have voted for you because your an Indian, well get back to that…..

      So this is incomplete. What was the reason? How do you know it was about race?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        ” but I wouldn’t have voted for you because you’re an Indian” ?

        1. Randy Huffman Avatar
          Randy Huffman

          She clearly was going to explain her reason, what was it?

          It has been a long time since I have seen Coulter in an interview; and while I cannot remember any specifics, I have never cared to much for some of the things she said, but I have never heard anyone call her a racist, until now.

          1. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            Looks like it was an “interesting – head scratching” interview and your sources take of it is of course very biased.

            I just read another conservative biased article that said Vivek did not consider this to be about race. Who are we to disagree? In those takes, I did not see any of her references to Hitler, but read her explanation of her comment why she wouldn’t vote for Vivek.

            So in reading this, my take was “what the hell are you thinking bringing this up”? Everything she gave as a reason probably applied before Kennedy got elected, but not since.

            Thanks for sharing, while I never paid much attention to Coulter, I will be paying even less attention to her now.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Was it? The source points out more than a handful of falsehoods and misrepresentations. Is that what makes it interesting? Ms Coulter rants as though every other nation is monolithically homogeneous? Really? Venezuelans are Venezuelans? Hispanics are? Catalons? Basques?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            good instincts! 😉

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        It would change the world greatly if we could hear/see that which is omitted. I would rather gouge my eyes with railroad spikes than watch Ann Coulter for longer.

        She was clearly playing at being edgy,… maybe.

        But to your point…
        ** “We’ll get back to that,” she said, before embarking on a rant about how it’s stupid not to do things just because Hitler did them, arguing “Hitler had soup. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have soup. Hitler loved dogs. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t love dogs!” **

        … and then she went and spoiled it all by saying something stupid like ‘Hitler was misunderstood.’ …

    2. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      Nancy, perhaps Mr. Bacon can give you a space all to yourself where you can post these odd non sequiturs.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        What? Too racist for an article featuring Nazis?

      2. WayneS Avatar

        I am going to step in here in defense of odd non sequiturs. I love odd non sequiturs.

        Here is a statue of a raccoon playing a banjo.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee298d590529ad38d64f2c388f7888c9a3373f8c0ddcba8891bf93e33a1d048a.jpg

        If you don’t understand the meaning of this, then maybe the harmonica-playing frog will explain it.

      3. WayneS Avatar

        I am going to step in here in defense of odd non sequiturs. I love odd non sequiturs.

        Here is a statue of a raccoon playing a banjo.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee298d590529ad38d64f2c388f7888c9a3373f8c0ddcba8891bf93e33a1d048a.jpg

        If you don’t understand the meaning of this, then maybe the harmonica-playing frog will explain it.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Indeed, raccoons generally have better taste than to play banjos:)

        2. Marty Chapman Avatar
          Marty Chapman

          perhaps Nancy should adopt this as her meme!

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