UVa Admissions Trends: Whites Down, Asians Up, Blacks a Question Mark


by James A. Bacon

As the University of Virginia community debates the implications of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling restricting the use of race in higher-ed admissions, The Jefferson Council is publishing publicly available data that provide context for the discussion.

UVa’s office of Institutional Research and Analysis publishes three types of admissions data (applications, admissions, and yield) broken down by race/ethnicity back to the 2016-17 academic year. Three trends stand out:

  • Once a dominant majority of UVa students, Whites officially became a minority (47%) of the entering 1st-year student body in 2023;
  • Asians were the fastest-growing racial/ethnic group at UVa, applying in greater numbers, being accepted in higher percentages, and (other than Whites) accepting those offers in higher percentages;
  • Despite applying and being accepted in growing numbers, the percentage of Blacks accepting their offers actually declined slightly, in contrast to the other racial/ethnic groups.

Now for the details…

Applications (see graph above). Reflecting the national trend of surging applications to elite universities, applications to UVa increased between 2016-17 and 2022-23 school years among all racial/ethnic groups. Applications rose the most among Asian students (109%) and Hispanics (82%) and least among Blacks (51%) and Whites (44%).

Admissions. As applications rose, UVa became more selective. Admissions offers plunged 20.8% for Whites, the largest group, but rose for minority groups: Asians (43.1%), Blacks (29.1%), and Hispanics (15.9%).

Yield. As UVa became more selective, the percentage of students accepting UVa’s offer by enrolling (yield), increased for Asians by 13 percentage points, Whites by 5 percentage points, and Hispanics by 3 percentage points. The yield for Blacks declined by 1 percentage point.

Commentary. It comes as no surprise that the smallest increase in applications occurred among Whites. UVa has been recruiting minority students aggressively in a conscious effort to create a more diverse student body. Asian students appeared to take full advantage of the new emphasis.

The curiosity is the behavior of Black students. Despite unprecedented outreach by the university, Blacks lagged far behind Asians and Hispanics in the percentage increase in applications. And despite an offer rate that far exceeded that of any other group, the percentage of Blacks actually taking up UVa on its offer of admittance remained flat, actually declining slightly.

A question naturally follows: why, despite the aggressive outreach and high percentage of offers, are Blacks responding so sluggishly?

Two possibilities present themselves.

One is that every higher-ed institution wants to recruit more Blacks, none more so than the elite universities with whom UVa competes for the best and brightest students. UVa did manage to increase the number of 1st-year enrollees by 59 students over the six-year period, but it took considerable exertions to do so.

The other is that UVa has effectively branded itself, especially among Blacks, as a racist university — founded by a racist slaveholder, built by slaves, complicit in Jim Crow segregation, and a supporter of eugenics. The narratives that UVa tells about itself — especially by the Student Guides who provide many prospective students their first exposure to the university — dwell upon past injustices and slight the sweeping changes that have occurred there in the past 60 years. Concomitant with the reinterpretation of UVa’s past is the current rhetoric concerning systemic racism, White privilege, microaggressions and the like, which has coincided with a decline in the Black sense of “belonging.” Why would Black high school graduates want to attend a racist institution where Black students feel isolated, alienated and set upon?

The critical data missing from the Institutional Research and Analysis are SAT and ACT data, key measures of academic aptitude and preparation. The university refuses to release that data, likely because doing so would lay bare the drastically different standards for admitting Asians, Whites, Hispanics and Blacks. The data would illuminate the extent to which UVa admissions now are driven by “anti-racism” — the only antidote to past discrimination is present discrimination. But confession to dual standards would prove an embarrassment so we likely will never see it until a higher political authority compels the data’s release. 

Meanwhile, if UVa wants to recruit more Black students, it should seriously consider the possibility that prevalent “anti-racist” rhetoric and the relentless focus on the university’s racist past might be counterproductive. But that would mean abandoning cherished progressive shibboleths… which means it likely will never happen.


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103 responses to “UVa Admissions Trends: Whites Down, Asians Up, Blacks a Question Mark”

  1. Rafaelo Avatar
    Rafaelo

    Very interesting article, particularly the conjecture that U Va’s relentless self-flagellation is starting to hurt.

    I wonder if color-blind requires state institutions to stop keeping color-bound statistics?

    Can we all be just — people? Rather than tribes?

    If the answer is not now and not ever, perhaps we have to reconsider whether equality = justice.

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      There is one race. The human race. Stop the racial bean counting. We made great progress in my lifetime, only to poison the gains with Marxist based divisive ideology that requires division by race or whatever other claimed “victim” oppressed group.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, given that W&M is The Tribe, I’d say, “No.”

      1. Rafaelo Avatar
        Rafaelo

        Carrots used to come in red and purple and yellow (you can still get them that way at famers markets) but the Dutch developed a sweet orange variety to flatter William of —- yes you guessed it. Then William and Mary got to be joint sovereigns of England after promising never to let any Catholics near the throne. William and Mary chartered and built a certain college in the colony of Virginia in 1673, after displacing the local Indians. So of COURSE the college would name their athletic teams the Tribe. Better that than the Carrots.

    3. VaNavVet Avatar
      VaNavVet

      It could well be that the constant flagellation of UVA by the Jefferson Council, the dissident alumni, and on BR is contributing to the problem. Additionally, they keep insisting on stats to divide students by race.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Sure, ignore problems and bad policies and they’ll just go away. The real problem is calling attention to problems.

        Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

        1. VaNavVet Avatar
          VaNavVet

          Note that I said contributing to not ignoring!

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Your complaint was that the attention being paid to the DIE woke racism problem contributed to it.

            UVa is pushing diversity and equity. Part of objectively measuring DIE woke racism’s success is counting how well it has done at diversifying. At least it is for numerate people.

            The numbers show that UVa has not done very diversity well male vs female. The numbers also show that black males are at around 1/4 of their incidence in the general population, and about 1/3 of that they were 20 years ago, so that’s even worse. The bad news for DIE woke racism is that both those numbers are moving in the less diverse direction.

            Complaining about looking at numbers is right up there with your assertion you don’t know who Kendi is.

            I repeat, pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

  2. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    The focus on self-flagellation exposes a potential bias in developing hypotheses. Interviews with black applicants, if possible, would provide better data and minimize speculation.

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Fair comment. UVA did a “climate survey” and suppressed the results. I FOIAed it and UVA withheld it as “scholarly research,” exempt under FOIA. I sued and lost and UVA KNEW it was pulling a fast one. Specifically excluded from “scholarly research” is “institutional research.”
      The judge, as usual, showed too much deference to UVA, which did a bait and switch with a deceptive affidavit from the former academic who sponsored the research (and was now at U Texas). It is one of the ways UVA deceives the Court to avoid FOIA compliance. Attach an affidavit and I have no chance to cross examine. This affidavit had an “IRB” filing, which UVA claimed was “proof” it was scholarly research. No, the IRB filing was required because it involved human surveys, a routine thing.
      After the trial (and the Judge almost got it right…he made UVA work), I found out that the research was done by UVA’s “institutional research” arm! UVA didn’t know that? Where is unequivocal?
      Anyway, we made enough noise about the suppressed survey that UVA did finally release it, and it did show there were “problems” with inclusion and speech. You should be able to find the article here. And it is somewhere on UVA’s website, but has been moved since the article – that link doesn;t work.

  3. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    “The university refuses to release that data, likely because doing so would lay bare the drastically different standards for admitting Asians, Whites, Hispanics and Blacks. The data would illuminate the extent to which UVa admissions now are driven by “anti-racism” — the only antidote to past discrimination is present discrimination. But confession to dual standards would prove an embarrassment…”

    I just highlight the statement, which has become a steady drumbeat on this blog about UVA, VMI, etc….I’ll let others decide what it reveals.

    1. Nathan Avatar

      What does this reveal?

      …the court’s most momentous decision this year — severely restricting the use of affirmative action in college admissions — was arguably quite popular.

      Now arrives more data to bolster that point. What the data also suggest is that even Black Americans are unlikely to strongly object.

      The data, from an Economist/YouGov poll conducted after the Supreme Court’s decision, shows Americans approving of it more than 2-to-1. That’s a finding in line with surveys conducted before the decision, including from The Washington Post and CBS News, which showed more than 6 in 10 Americans supported the idea of banning the use of race and ethnicity in admissions. Another poll conducted after the decision, for ABC News, showed Americans approved of it by a 20-point margin.

      What’s particularly striking about the Economist/YouGov poll is how Black Americans responded. Indeed, more of them actually approved of the decision (more than 4 in 10) than disapproved (fewer than 4 in 10). And more Black Americans “strongly” approved (31 percent) than disapproved (26 percent).

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/06/whos-okay-with-the-affirmative-action-decision-many-black-americans/

      1. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        What it means is that Black Americans are sick and tired of being blamed for white mediocrity/failure to thrive. If you want/need this to feel better about yourself, have at it. Stop scapegoating me/mine and the demand for racial reparations (which are unarguably owed to the descendants of the enslaved in America).

        1. WayneS Avatar

          Unarguably? Really?

          1. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Yes, really. The descendants of the enslaved have never been appropriately compensated for their forced labor.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            The descendants of slaves were never subjected to forced labor.

            I’m honestly not trying to sound harsh, but the families of seven out of eight of my great-grandparents came to this country after the Civil War, and the remainder were from New England (and they were poor, and did not participate in the slave trade).

            Please explain why I should be held personally responsible for paying “reparations” to 4th, 5th, 6th, etc., generation post-slavery descendants of slaves – people who have never been held in bondage.

          3. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            No, they were *merely* systematically and intentionally deprived of the opportunity to benefit from the value of their labor. MERELY. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/09/reparations-1921-tulsa-race-massacre-00105355. Why not just come right out and say that their labor and losses don’t count because …black. The loss of generational wealth-building capacity is real and the inability to invest in both property and education through state action has cost millions of people trillions of dollars and has NEVER been adequately addressed or compensated. None of your ancestors were systematically deprived of the opportunity yo build wealth in America and they almost certainly benefited from the imposition of post-Reconstruction discrimination. There is no comparison. Japanese internees…compensated. Natives at least got land (crappy and remote as it was, treaty breaking notwithstanding). The only group to experience systematic abuse is the only one uncompensated. Make it make sense. Since when is a national debt absolved by the complaints of newly arrived immigrants?

          4. VaPragamtist Avatar
            VaPragamtist

            “None of your ancestors were systematically deprived of the opportunity yo build wealth in America and they almost certainly benefited from the imposition of post-Reconstruction discrimination. ”

            My ancestors came to New York from Italy, Ireland, and Poland 3 – 5 generation ago. As immigrants they were subject to formal and informal discrimination, segregation, and anti-Catholic sentiment. Compared to those here before them and those of more WASPish descent, they were systematically deprived of the opportunity to build wealth in America. I was a 1st generation college student, only now reversing the adverse path dependence laid out for me by anti-immigrant, anti-Italian, anti-Irish, anti-Polish, and anti-Catholic discrimination.

            As a side, Knights of Columbus fought to have the contributions of Italian Americans memorialized through a national holiday, but the individual they chose as the symbol (Columbus), turned the conversation to a day about Columbus, and so on. . .but I digress.

          5. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Sir, ALL of that pales in comparison to what was done to Black Americans.

          6. VaPragamtist Avatar
            VaPragamtist

            Sure, slavery was much, much worse. But what we’re talking about is compensation for several generations out based on the systemic deprivation of the opportunity to build wealth in America.

            You made the claims that “none of your ancestors were systematically deprived of the opportunity yo build wealth in America and they almost certainly benefited from the imposition of post-Reconstruction discrimination.” For me, and many like me, those claims are false.

          7. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            The insistence that slavery was the end ™ of abuse and discrimination and oppression is trite and expected but wholly inaccurate and self-serving. Vagrancy laws, sharecropping, redlining, restrictive covenants, Jim Crow, actual and de facto prohibitions on union participation, etc. that lasted for GENERATIONS. Your attempted comparison is pathetic. Your history doesn’t include those scars. Do better.

          8. VaPragamtist Avatar
            VaPragamtist

            “The insistence that slavery was the end ™ of abuse and discrimination and oppression is trite and expected but wholly inaccurate and self-serving. ”

            I never said slavery was the end of abuse, discrimination and oppression. I said slavery was much, much worse than the subsequent abuse, discrimination, and oppression.

            What I said was descendants of slaves were not the only group subjected to abuse, discrimination, and oppression, for generations. How each individual in each subsequent generation reacted to, overcame, or failed to overcome the path dependence created by the abuse, discrimination, and oppression they faced in light of the “systemic deprivation of the opportunity to build wealth” is highly dependent on the individual.

            But you seem to be assuming a lot about the lived experiences of generations of ethnic minorities; that somehow the suffering of one group resulting from abuse, discrimination, and oppression is quantifiably worse than the suffering of another group resulting from abuse, discrimination, and oppression. And, as a result, the former “unarguably” deserves financial compensation while the latter doesn’t. Sounds very self-serving. Do better.

          9. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Oddly, the impact of significantly longer, worse discrimination is quantifiable and has been quantified. It’s called the racial wealth gap and the Minneapolis fed traces its roots back to the Civil War and the policies and practices of state actors thereafter. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/06/racial-wealth-gap-may-be-a-key-to-other-inequities/

          10. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            The extent of the harm is and has been quantified by the Minneapolis Fed Reserve and, yes, it is unparalleled by any group other than Native/Indigenous people. Facts are facts. https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2022/how-the-racial-wealth-gap-has-evolved-and-why-it-persists

          11. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            The extent of the harm is and has been quantified by the Minneapolis Fed Reserve and, yes, it is unparalleled by any group other than Native/Indigenous people. Facts are facts. https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2022/how-the-racial-wealth-gap-has-evolved-and-why-it-persists

          12. VaPragamtist Avatar
            VaPragamtist

            That article examines racial wealth gap from a broad population level–Black vs White–and shows the trends over the last 150 years. Interesting information, but not really relevant to the point as the article doesn’t analyze ethnic subgroups within either population; nor can the results be extrapolated and applied to the individual or community level. You can’t just make up your own narrative about the data and call it a “fact”.

            So again, my point remains. You said “none of your ancestors were systematically deprived of the opportunity yo build wealth in America and they almost certainly benefited from the imposition of post-Reconstruction discrimination.” That statement remains false. Regardless of your attempt to shift the discussion from the original point to the degree of suffering, the fact remains that my ancestors–as well as many ethnic minorities who fall under the overly broad “White” category–were systematically deprived of the opportunity to build wealth.

          13. WayneS Avatar

            Vagrancy laws, sharecropping, redlining, restrictive covenants, Jim Crow, actual and de facto prohibitions on union participation, etc

            And don’t forget that our gun control laws are deeply rooted in racism.

            The first laws restricting the carrying of firearms without a ‘permit’ were passed to keep self-defense firearms out of the hands of Black Americans (and, in the case of the Sullivan Law in NY, Italian and Irish immigrants as well).

          14. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

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            Not Today

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          16. WayneS Avatar

            I was not making a comparison. I was demonstrating that none of the Americans in my family’s past were responsible for the horrors of slavery and should therefore not be required to pay reparations to anyone.

            But, you certainly have a point regarding the post-slavery harm to generational wealth-building capabilities of former slaves and their families. The problem is, it would be pretty much impossible to determine today who would be due what, and who should pay what, if we tried to compensate the descendants of victims and charge the descendants of the perpetrators, of the shameful practice of slavery in the United States.

            So how about this as a possible reparation plan to improve the generational wealth-building abilities of the descendants of slaves (and this is coming to me as I write):

            A 25-year-long program in which the federal government pays 100% of the costs of a college education (tuition, room, board) for every U.S. citizen currently residing in the United States who can demonstrate that they are a descendent of a person who was held in slavery in this country at the time slavery was legal. As noted above, the program would sunset after, say, 25 years, which is plenty of time to allow at least two generations to benefit.

            I also think it would be fair to require that applicants meet certain relatively liberal financial requirements (the children of millionaires do not need a ‘leg-up’ no matter the color of their skin).

            Obviously, a lot of details would need to be ironed out, but I think such a program would go a long way towards solving the root issues resulting from the aftermath of slavery. Namely, it would allow descendants of slaves to improve their wealth-building capabilities, and provide an opportunity to pass those capabilities on to future generations. It will also avoid the “cash payment” plans such places as California are proposing, which I think you will agree would do very little to actually address those root issues.

          17. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            I would agree with you on that as a possible solution. Where we disagree is on the debt being owed by individual descendants and not the NATION. The harm was perpetrated by government and is owed by government, regardless of who currently resides here or when they arrived.

          18. WayneS Avatar

            I do see your point, and if reparations had been paid at the time, or even a generation or two after the end of slavery I could understand all taxpayers being held responsible, and direct payment being the method of reparation. Unfortunately that was not done and we are where we are.

            I am willing to have my tax dollars used to fund a reparations program along the lines of what I laid out – with the money being spent to enable people to better their lives. I do not want my tax dollars directly transferred into the hands of other people to be used for… …whatever.

          19. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            What makes you think relarations = direct $$ payments? Reparations literally refer to repairs, debts repaid, restoration. No one ever said it had to be monetary. Affirmative action was a flawed (mealy-mouthed) attempt to pacify white Americans. It was never reparations and was easily dismantled precisely because no one came right out and demanded what was actually owed. Now even that is gone.

          20. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            What makes you think reparations = direct $$ payments? Reparations literally refer to repairs, debts repaid, restoration. No one ever said it had to be monetary. Affirmative action was a flawed (mealy-mouthed) attempt to pacify white Americans. It was never reparations and was easily dismantled precisely because no one came right out and demanded what was actually owed. Now even that is gone. It’s time to stop tip toeing around the unpaid debt America owes.

          21. WayneS Avatar

            What makes you think reparations = direct $$ payments?

            I do not think that, which should be obvious by my previous comments. However, the recently announced California plan does involve direct monetary compensation, and I was making it known that I, personally, oppose that as a method of compensation to the modern descendants of slaves.

    2. Nathan Avatar

      And this?

      Black Americans are more likely than those in other groups to report personal experiences with efforts to increase diversity.

      About a quarter of U.S. adults (24%) say they have personally been disadvantaged in their education or career by efforts to increase racial and ethnic diversity, while about one-in-ten (11%) say they have ever benefited from these efforts.

      Black Americans are more likely to report experiencing both of these: 35% say they have been disadvantaged by these efforts, while 20% say they have benefited (including 11% who say they have been both advantaged and disadvantaged). And while 15% of all Americans say that others have assumed they benefited unfairly from these efforts, 28% of Black adults say this has happened to them.

      https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/08/more-americans-disapprove-than-approve-of-colleges-considering-race-ethnicity-in-admissions-decisions/

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Neither addresses the point that Bacon is assuming a level of academic qualifications based on skin color. I give him points for his openness. I also agree with the SCOTUS majority, which really didn’t change much from the previous rulings. And I fully agree that the efforts at affirmative action have a side effect of reinforcing the stereotype that black or Hispanic success must come at the expense of white opportunity. That is a thread running through dozens of posts on this blog over the past two years or so. Including this one.

        1. Correct, I am assuming that there is a differential in average SAT scores between races — with Asians scoring highest, followed by Whites, then Hispanics, then Blacks. Walter Smith documented that differential in one recent year before the Admissions Office stopped supplying him information. Several years ago, an Asian-American scholar (can’t remember the name) documented the same disparity at UVa and other Virginia higher-ed institutions. At UVa, as at Harvard, Asian kids overall had to have higher SAT scores to gain admittance.

          How that SAT differential translates into academic performance at UVa is a separate question. Some 87% of African-Americans graduate from UVa within six years, so that’s a positive sign. I have meet some bright, talented minority kids at UVa who can hold their own anywhere. But the drop-out rate for African-Americans overall is higher than for other groups, so that’s a negative sign.

          1. VaNavVet Avatar
            VaNavVet

            So Asian success comes at the expense of the other groups under the current system. Like Walter says quit dividing the students up into identity groups.

          2. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Asian success should come, all things being equal, at the expense of white people who’ve been using them as props to maintain unearned advantages. Folks want to stop considering ‘groupings’ only when it serves their interests. The groupings, themselves, were formed by white folks to serve their interests. When do the interests of others merit equal consideration?

          3. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            The drop out rate is because AA/BA students often have more significant/pressing family obligations pulling them out of school. This is a known issue. It’s not about intelligence or capacity despite what folks like to tell themselves; it’s about historic and long term disadvantage caused in no small part by government policy. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/02/10/cost-discrimination-pose-challenges-black-students?utm_source=link_wwwv9&utm_campaign=item_505097&utm_medium=copy

            The testing discrepancy is also related to the USA’s history of racist redlining and underfunding/low expectations in urban schools, use of imminent domain to dismantle communities, and abuse of farm subsidy programs to disadvantage Black Americans.

            Wealth and knowledge has been concentrated in some hands so long you’d think it’s their due. It’s not. This decision from SCOTUS won’t hurt Black folks much (because of Roberts’ carve outs for individual storytelling). It’s going to hurt kids without tales of woe (mostly white folks and legacies, big overlap) and they don’t even know it/see it coming.

            Asian achievement in the U.S. is largely driven by IMMIGRATION (an unpleasant reality conservatives rarely acknowledge). Asians born to Americans in the 2nd and 3rd generations are as likely as any other URMs to be disadvantaged by racism.
            https://www.mlsaaf.org/post/2018/07/01/the-decline-of-third-generation-asian-americans

            This needs to be discussed openly, honestly, and with positive intent.

        2. Nathan Avatar

          “…black or Hispanic success must come at the expense of white opportunity.”

          That’s possible, but what is undeniable is the impact on Asian admissions. The discrimination against Asian applicants is flat out wrong. This was done years ago to Jews. Wrong then, wrong now.

          My view is that any attempt at help, should be helpful, particularly to those being “helped.” More and more Blacks see the current efforts as an overall negative.

          Additionally, what we’re doing is divisive at a time when what we need is just the opposite.

          There are numerous other ways to provide better results, particularly with private money. For example:

          “If Harvard were truly committed to increasing access to an élite education, it could have invested a fraction of its fifty-three-billion-dollar endowment in free college-preparatory academies across America and guided hundreds of poor Black and Latino students through the university’s gates.”

          https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/why-the-champions-of-affirmative-action-had-to-leave-asian-americans-behind

        3. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Zero Sum.

          Speaking of which, we’ve already had one student loan debt forgiveness that $-for$ was waaay bigger than any Biden has proposed and it propelled America to the top of the industrialized world. It was called “The GI Bill”.

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            That option or a form of it still exists but that is NOT what Biden was doing. There was no “loan” to the GIs from WWII. It was an earned scholarship.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You say, “potato.” I say, “vodka.”

            The effect is the same. A better educated populace at the cost of long term discretionary money flowing into the economy rather than servicing usurious loans.

            Aka win-win. Not a zero sum.

          3. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            More magical liberal thinking. The money required to pay the constantly escalating costs of a college education doesn’t count. Only the money spent “servicing usurious loans.”

            What are the three areas of American society most impacted by the government?

            Education.
            Health care.
            Housing.

            And what are the three areas of American society failing the worst?

            Education.
            Health care.
            Housing.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Just because we aren’t doing it doesn’t mean we can’t. Others have

            Democrats always want to rush in and fix things fast.

            Republicans are more retrospective and prefer half-fast..

          5. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            “servicing usurious loans.”

            But wait, who owns those usurious loans, who made those usurious loans, who regulated the terms of the usurious loans others made? The answer is the US Government.

            Why is the Government up to its eyeballs in the usurious student loan business that abused its citizen student loan recipients in the first place?

            Is it a surprise the perpetrator of those usurious student loans would try to impose a solution that is usurious of all the rest of us while corruptly buying the votes of the people it has previously usuriously abused?

          6. WayneS Avatar

            servicing usurious loans

            I am opposed to student loan forgiveness, but I have no objection to an across-the-board reduction in student loan interest rates, as well as allowing adjustments to payback schedules for those who are having legitimate financial issues covering the monthly payment on their student loans.

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Well, that and the only way for an early discharge is “hardship to the extreme” which the courts have defined as “terminal diagnosis within 90 days”, or some such.

      2. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        The biggest disadvantage I, personally, experienced was professors assuming they knew me/my admissions stats and potential based on the color of my skin. They were wrong. The stat you describe doesn’t account for that.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      It’s a huge multi variate optimization problem and just viewing race is going to mislead. Proof, look at James.

      For example, they have to keep departments full enough to be profitable. If the number of physics majors drops relative to biology majors then applicants expressing interest in physics will be favored over those expressing biology or no interest.

      But, the number they do hit bang on is the out-of-state 33%.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Or better portrayed 33$$$.

    4. VaNavVet Avatar
      VaNavVet

      Yes indeed “anti-racism” is the way that they say that UVA is racist. That way it can be made to appear that it is coming from both sides.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        From Kendi’s book “How to be an anti-racist”: “The remedy for past discrimination is present discrimination. The remedy for present discrimination is future discrimination.”

        The racism is coming from one side, the “they” who embrace Kendi and his ilk’s racism.

        Have you rejected Kendi as your personal savior?

        1. VaNavVet Avatar
          VaNavVet

          I had never heard of him until you keep bringing him up and I choose not to bring religion into this.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            “I had never heard of him until you keep bringing him (Kendi) up”

            Ha ha, Kendi’s racism is a religion to DIE racists.

            With your affection for DIE it is hard to believe you when you say you are not familiar with Kendi. It is equally hard to give any credence to your vigorous opinions on CRT and systemic racism if you never heard of the most prominent advocate. It does make your defense of the indefensible less puzzling.

            They say ignorance is bliss.

          2. VaNavVet Avatar
            VaNavVet

            I doubt that Kendi, however he is, would advocate for systemic racism based upon your description of his views. He does seem to be living in your head.

  4. M. Purdy Avatar
    M. Purdy

    “The other is that UVa has effectively branded itself, especially among Blacks, as a racist university — founded by a racist slaveholder, built by slaves, complicit in Jim Crow segregation, and a supporter of eugenics.” Your entire premise here seems to be that it was never a racist institution. What if it was? Then do you think it’s wrong to talk about its history with slavery, Jim Crow, and eugenics?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Wait’ll the VMI alumni finish resurrecting VMI’s reputation as a Confederate Military School. It’ll make UVa’s reputation among minorities positively sterling.

      “If you build it, they will come.”

      Oh, and the Tulsa Race riot had nothing to do with race…

      1. M. Purdy Avatar
        M. Purdy

        That’s what many are trying to do. The very notion of coming to terms with one’s past is “destroying the school” and allegedly deterring arch-conservative kids from attending. It’s easier to live in fantasy land than deal with the ugly truth.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          The question is whether UVa excessively dwells on past racism vs other colleges and universities in the south.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            I wonder if UVA serves Dr. Pepper? Doctor Charles Pepper, who graduated from the University of Virginia, served as a Confederate surgeon, and invented a nice soft drink at his pharmacy in Saltville, Virginia

          2. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            The word “excessively” is doing a lot of work in your post. Can you expand on what you mean? What do you consider excessive?

          3. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            They *all* have issues but some are doing better than others. UGA? (+), Ole Miss? (-). UVA/VATech/VMI have been turned into a battleground. We send our kids to learn, grow and have a good time, not be pawns in some old person’s culture war.

    2. Nathan Avatar

      Eugenics?

      Wait, are we talking about UVA or Planned Parenthood?

    3. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      I don’t know…
      Maybe if you are trying to attract Black students, you would mention some positives. For example, you might mention that it isn’t that now (except under DEi it has to be). You could mention how Jefferson was opposed to slavery. How his draft of the Declaration specifically included slavery as one of his charges against George III. You would perhaps portray the Hemings relationship as not exactly the way it has been conveyed, including by many prominent people in the Admin. Maybe even have the debate The Jefferson Council has been asking for for years so students would hear the likely more true version of the story from the Scholars’ Commission. And eugenics was about 100 years ago…promoted by all “the experts” who were racists and elitists (Buck v Bell anyone? anyone?) and culturally and academically akin to all the “experts” imposed on us during Covid… One and the same. Here is an article on it – https://graboyes.substack.com/p/when-sterilization-was-dogma-why
      Interestingly, the case used to not stop the immoral, Nuremberg Code violating mandate of an experimental medical product that the students did not need (nor many of the faculty) was a Massachusetts case from that “progressive” eugenics era.

      1. M. Purdy Avatar
        M. Purdy

        Your list sounds more like the grievances of the Jeff Council than anything.

        1. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          So how would UVA do better in increasing the “yield” of black students?
          Tell bigger and more lies about Jefferson?
          Keep focusing on eugenics (racism and elitism from progressives)?
          Advertise the safe spaces?
          Tell us how!
          My list sounded like suggestions that might make the school more appealing to black students. But since I am melanin-challenged, maybe someone not so disadvantaged could proffer an opinion. I’d also say maybe going back to real standards and actually having a true free speech environment might help attract all students, rather than a particular group…

          1. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            Maybe you should ask some African American students to see how best to attract and retain them, instead of asking me. Don’t any show up at Jeff Council meetings? (Kidding, of course they don’t.) Maybe go to main grounds and pitch your anti-affirmative action and “let me tell you what really happened with Sally Hemings” story and see how that goes…;-)

          2. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            This! For the love of God, stop pushing Jefferson=God stories! Stop downplaying the legacy of racism in VA. Stop minimizing the impact of racism on the lives of the VA students you want to attend. They know what they have seen/experienced, and what their families have experienced. The smartest of them, the ones you want to attend, can sniff out insincerity. Own it…all of it…the good and the bad.

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            You work at UVA. Tell me. And black kids do show up at TJC events, some as spies and some as curious and some in agreement. If they got an honest education at UVA instead of continued indoctrination from the K-12 re-education camps, even more would be in agreement.
            I’ll be happy to go to “main” Grounds and do my anti-affirmative action spiel, while you can do your judge people by their skin color bit – I’ll take the Martin Luther King “judge by content of character” part. In fact, why doesn’t UVA show its “unequivocal” support for “free expression” by having a perch between the Jefferson statue and the Rotunda steps for students to speak on any subject they desire? You know, practice free speech in reality. Where people can listen and not fall to pieces. Remember, our betters at UVA keep telling us to be “mindful” and “generous listeners” – meaningless, euphemism words of pretending…

          4. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            I look forward to you providing video evidence of you doing your anti-AA, pro-confederate monument, Sally Hemings truther spiel on main grounds. Be sure to identify yourself and your affiliation. TTFN.

          5. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            What, so you can call out Antifa? Left out Q Anon and birther and other usual Lefty insults to avoid admitting that you can’t support your position. Which you can’t, because it is morally wrong, besides unConstitutional. And, you know, and I know, and all people who read the articles here know, UVA will continue to surreptitiously violate the law.

          6. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            Make sure Bacon posts your Sermon on the Lawn. It will be educational.

          7. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Make sure you listen to it…you would actually learn something if you did.

          8. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            YOU!! YOU and your ilk are turning talented black kids off from VA schools at all levels (there’s an increase in K-12 homeschooling too). Folks have options and they don’t have to put up with your diatribes, legislatively circumscribed courses/libraries, and ill-informed hot takes on history.

          9. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            YOU!! YOU and your ilk are turning talented black kids off from VA schools at all levels (there’s an increase in K-12 homeschooling too). Folks have options and they don’t have to put up with your diatribes, legislatively circumscribed courses/libraries, and ill-informed hot takes on history.

          10. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Please tell me how I am turning off talented black kids. By disagreeing with people who are wrong? How many sexes are there? There are two. What say you?
            I have options. My options are to call out the liars and destroyers to make the world a better place. That has nothing to do with race – it has to do with all of humanity – the human race.
            Trigger warning – dangerous thought…and speech!… All lives matter.
            UVA is not educating. It is indoctrinating and you false elitists who THINK you are elite are terrified that the plebes are seeing that the emperor has no clothes.
            Get back to education.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Is being from New Jersey considered a race? Or, are they lumped into “internationals”? It’d be interesting to see how close out-of-state admissions approaches the (I think) 33% maximum and which States are the donors.

    The real racism may be green supremacy. UVa is running at 32% out-of-state. I’d hate to think a more qualified Virginia student of any color is being rejected in favor of a less qualified out-of-state student just for that sweet, sweet green.

    There was a time that the in-state, and out-of-state tuition were set based on state subsidies that didn’t incentivize maximizing the number of out-of-state students.

    Anyone care to check the percentage of incoming that are out-of-state? I get 55%

    (41,201*0.121)/(41,201*0.121 + 15,238*0.263), or
    (5013)/(5013+4012)

    UVA Out-of-State Acceptance Rate

    Number of applicants Accepted Students Acceptance Rate
    In-State 15,238 4012 26.3%
    Out-of-State 41,201 5013 12.1%

    https://www.crimsoneducation.org/us/blog/uva-acceptance-rate/

  6. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
    Virginia Gentleman

    Call me crazy but the relentless posts about UVA’s race policies seems to be coming from this blog.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Okay, you’re a taxi!

      Oh wait. Wrong punchline.

    2. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      “but the relentless posts about UVA’s race policies seems to be coming from this blog.”

      It is only exceeded by UVa’s own bloated DIE bureaucracy and policies.

    3. M. Purdy Avatar
      M. Purdy

      But it’s the “leftists” who are obsessed with race…;-)

    4. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Okay, you’re a taxi!

      Oh wait. Wrong punchline.

    5. VaPragamtist Avatar
      VaPragamtist

      I enjoy Bacon’s data-centric posts about race policy. Some others, not so much. And this blog could benefit from getting past its UVA comfort zone.

      As someone with significant internal interaction with one of Virginia’s IHEs I can tell you that DEI dominates every aspect of the climate, from administration to classroom to pedagogy to student and campus life.

      Despite it being a social science–and there’s no black-and-white in social sciences–the assumptions the IHE climate is based on are taken as a given. There is no discussion internally. Most who question the assumptions self-censor. The result is an echo chamber in an academic bubble–one that’s producing the next generation who learn valuable skills but lack the ability to think critically and have honest discussions with those they disagree with.

      These seemingly relentless posts (when done right) fill a gap–they contribute to the conversation using data. They challenge assumptions on which policies and the IHE climate are based. They keep the conversation alive.

  7. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    Yet black male enrollment at about 2.5% is down from around 8% 20 years ago (both #s from previous BR postings) makes a mockery of UVa wrapping itself in DIE colors and touting racist anti racism.

    Ryan et al have earned ridicule either for their incompetence at recruiting black guys or hypocrisy for touting DIE and anti racism as covers for decreasing enrollment of black males that are about 1/4 of their prevalence in Virginia. DIE emphasis/declining enrollment is a profound inverse correlation.

    OTOH, enrollment very closely tracks the percentage of black males who score highly proficient on SOLS. That may argue against a SAT differential by race, at least for black males, in admissions.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Does that include sports recruiting? Wonder how many times UVa has sent a department chair to some small Mississippi town to recruit a math major?

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        I believe those were in state numbers, and they are totals. There are jocks in Virginia too.

  8. Not Today Avatar
    Not Today

    Neither of my Black American kids did/will apply to UVA/VA Tech because they’re not financially competitive for our family and we go where we’re wanted, period. There’s not a single VA, non-HBCU alumni group with which I’d want my kids to affiliate. Youngest just passed his first AP as a freshman. UChicago is already in hot pursuit.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar
      M. Purdy

      As well you should!

      1. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        Srsly. Alumni representatives describing us as ‘blacks’ and not Black Americans are so far past the post…I can’t even.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          Does it also offend you that alumni representatives describe white people as ‘whites’ instead of ‘White Americans’?

          I’m pretty sure that the shortening of such terms of description is merely a simplification for convenience and conciseness, and not some kind of personal or racial statement.

          1. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            I think people first language is always a good idea. People are not adjectives.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            True enough.

            I think we should be called ‘Americans’ – just the noun, with no adjectives at all.

    2. WayneS Avatar

      Youngest just passed his first AP as a freshman. UChicago is already in hot pursuit.

      Good for him/her. Please pass on my congratulations and encouragement to continue the good work.

    3. WayneS Avatar

      Youngest just passed his first AP as a freshman. UChicago is already in hot pursuit.

      That’s great. Good for him/her! Please pass on my congratulations and encouragement to continue the good work.

  9. VaPragamtist Avatar
    VaPragamtist

    Some additional variables to consider:

    Introduction of the common application made it easier to apply to IHEs, which drove up admissions numbers for many (especially the most desirable institutions). This also made each more “selective”.

    The yield rate is probably the most valuable data point. That’s not just people applying for the sake of applying, that’s students who actually want to go. . .and can afford to do so. The huge jump in international student yield from 21-22 is interesting. Though perhaps these jumps can be attributed to post-COVID?

    In addition to quality of life (do perspective Black students want to go to a stereotypical “preppy” university known for its history of old-money south culture, where their perceived role is to either assimilate or join an ultra-left community organizing group), there’s also the issue of perceived affordability. Is UVA affordable to low income individuals? Is financial aid well marketed? What are the qualifications for scholarships, and are they different than those for admittance?

    1. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      *I* went to a stereotypically white, old money school as did my friends. Most of us attended schools with those same stereotypically old money white kids. Higher ed is no different. What was/is different is the extent to which your mere presence will be weaponized and used to make the charge that you’re unworthy of existing on campus.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        That is one of the reasons I oppose race preferences in college admissions. If the entrance requirements are the same for everyone, then no one can even remotely legitimately challenge another student’s, or group of students’, academic qualifications. Evveryone “deserves” to be there.

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