Update: Richmond Could Still Close Gas Works

Pending Termination

by Steve Haner

The Senate of Virginia, after long avoiding a vote, has now approved a bill that would require a Virginia local government to try to sell its municipal natural gas utility before simply closing it.  The watered down conference report was all that remained of a more robust bill protecting the natural gas business in Virginia from the climate catastrophe fanatics.

It offers little to no real protection to municipal gas users beyond notifications.

The bill arose out of reports that Richmond City Council had passed a resolution last year expressing intent to get out of the natural gas business.  Its municipal gas works serves 120,000 customers with an exclusive territory that also includes locations in Chesterfield, Henrico and Hanover counties, some of them major industries.

House Bill 1257 in its more expansive form passed the House February 14, during the regular session.  It then hit the anti-fossil fuel wall in a stacked Virginia Senate committee, but a much narrower version was reported out of committee and passed on that chamber’s floor March 7.  The House then insisted on a conference committee seeking to restore deleted parts of the bill.

Before the regular session ended, the House had agreed to a conference report, adopting it March 12 on a 92-0 vote.  The Senate refused to act before session deadline, which normally kills a bill, but since the Assembly remained officially in session none of the pending conference reports died.  The Senate adopted several of them Friday, including this, before taking up Governor Glenn Youngkin’s budget amendments.

Now very simple, the final bill would require that any local government operating a municipal natural gas utility would need to give its customers three years notice of its intent to get out of the business and then seek to sell the assets to another entity.  There is, however, no requirement that the local government actually accomplish that sale – only that it “attempt to negotiate.”

Absent a successful sale by that route, the locality may offer it up for auction.  The word that matters in the sentence is “may.”  The word chosen was not “shall.”  It is conceivable that in the future, Richmond City Council could still maneuver its way to completely shutting down the gas utility, as its resolution clearly envisioned.  It could conduct sham negotiations, reject all offers and then choose not to conduct an auction.  The bill is weak.

Richmond is one of only three local governments that still run their own gas utilities, and is by far the largest.  The situation there is further complicated by a city charter provision that requires a local referendum before the utility is sold (but does not require a vote to close it.)  Presumably plenty of Richmond voters are ready to tell their neighbors to surrender their gas, and would oppose any sale.  Otherwise why would city council vote that way?

The bill goes to Governor Youngkin for his action.  He can sign it, veto it, or offer amendments that would bypass that roadblocked Senate committee and go straight to the Senate floor.

Sponsor Delegate Terry Kilgore, R-Scott, started with a very strong bill, creating and protecting a right to natural gas in Virginia law.  It originally also prohibited local ordinances preventing future hookups to existing gas utilities for new or existing buildings or prohibiting the use of gas appliances, tactics also being employed elsewhere.  Few currently-elected Virginia Democrats dare to go that far, given the state of the issue within that political base.

Right now, of course, we are treated to the amazing spectacle of a climate alarmist President begging the fossil fuel industry to produce more product, but nobody with money to invest is falling for that charade.  At the time of the Richmond City Council action, and some similar moves in Fairfax County, a national movement to crush the use of gas in buildings and industry was gaining steam.  The desire remains strong within the climate catastrophe crowd to kill off gas use entirely, and it will re-emerge eventually.  That tail wags the Democrat dog these days.


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36 responses to “Update: Richmond Could Still Close Gas Works”

  1. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Luckily this guy didn’t need to get a permit from Richmond City or permission from a VA Senate committee dominated by Democrats. This former president was not the anti-gas fanatic his VP turned out to be….

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/17/president-obama-installing-2500-gallons-of-fossil-fuel-backup-at-marthas-vineyard/

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Yeah that is two 1,000 gallon tanks plus a mini 500 gallon tank. To give perspective, here is the size of a 1,000 gallon tank. About as large as the Confederate submarine Hunley. I have to assume it will be buried due to the Martha’s Vineyard scenery. Maybe John Kerry can provide the backhoe free of charge.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38295a965667021bf09323a708a7164cfd002e92d5b240dffa04f181119dcafb.jpg

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Unlike natural gas (methane), propane is not in an of itself a greenhouse gas.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Unburned and escaped, propane will go to ground and “decompose” without the greenhouse effects of methane. That’s one advantage unless the low point is your basement.

      2. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/co2_vol_mass.php

        Wrong. It emits plenty of CO2. Lower than other fuels, but not without GHG impacts. Sorry. Natural gas emits less per million BTUs. (See above.) And, of course, propane comes out of the same drilling processes. Federal stats so it must be true!

        It wasn’t clear whether Kilgore’s initial bill did much to protect propane use. When (not if, when) the Assembly tries again it should be sure to include propane under the umbrella.

        1. Turbocohen Avatar
          Turbocohen

          There is a whole lot of half truth and misinformation here if the big polluter is not mentioned.. The ocean.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          I didn’t suggest it had no GHG impacts. I am just pointing out you shouldn’t conflate natural gas with propane. Methane (natural gas) is truly bad – as you noted propane not a bad alternative.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Conflate Propane with methane aka NG.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Thanks… corrected… an ironic mistake though…

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Thanks… corrected… an ironic mistake though…

          4. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            Fossil fuels is fossil fuels. We had propane at our Wintergreen house and the big advantage is the liquid form, easy to store. Clearly it is way less of an issue than fuel oil (the other tank fuel), but environmentally very close to natural gas. I didn’t look at what it breaks down into if it evaporates.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I use my loose change at the 7-11 and grocery stores to buy Bic lighters. I’m going to have tons of butane stored when the Climate Change driven shutdown of fossil fuels is enacted. Having a bit of a problem hooking them all up to the furnance, but I’ll get it eventually.

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            When it comes to greenhouse gasses and climate change not all fossil fuels are the same. Methane (natural gas) is greenhouse gas in its own right and a potent one at that. Methane is some 80 times more powerful at capturing heat in our atmosphere than is CO2 (the contribution of propane to the atmosphere when burned). This is why fugitive methane is such a big deal and why gas works are being targeted. It works the other way as well. For every cubic foot of fugitive methane a utility (or producer) “captures” by sealing a leak, they get to claim a large reduction in their CO2 equivalent greenhouse gas emissions and make the case that their product (which has not changed one iota) is “greener”.

          7. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            I have no issue with energetic efforts to prevent leaks of CH4 or any other GHG. But that canard about methane’s impact ignores its shorter time in the atmosphere compared to CO2.

          8. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            While it is methane, its impact is many times that of CO2. You acknowledge that. I acknowledge that it is eventually oxidized in the atmosphere (this is true) and it then becomes… what…?? I am fairly certain you know…

          9. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            And then… it breaks down to CO2… still in the atmosphere.

          10. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Coal? And both of the two types…

          11. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            none of this really matters to the opponents – it’s all the same – all or nothing… win/lose, etc, etc..

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Typical installations are 100 to 500 gallons. The permit was for two 1,000-gallon and one 500-gallon tank.

      Geez Steve. Use your head. That’s 2000+ gallons of propane he’s taking out of circulation. Imagine the CO2 he’s preventing from entering the atmosphere by storing — unused — 4x the amount his neighbors would burn.

      You guys will bend over backwards to toss the hypocrisy card. This is exactly what Fox News did to Al Gore in the early 2000s when he purchased 3 gas-guzzling Suburbans. He can only drive one at a time! That left two innocuously sitting in the driveway.

      Sheesh!

      (uoy rof tcepser lla tsol evah I krans eht ees t’nod uoy fI)

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    “may” and “shall”. pesky and problematical words in law.

    Richmond probably has other options also.

    But the interesting thing that might end up in courts is whether or not a state can ORDER a town or city to provide some service and/or deny it from no longer offering a service.

    I suspect if Dick has written this – it would have covered more of the issue beyond the basic Conservative talking points and what-a-boutisms on the supposed Dems “war on fossil fuels”.

    The goal is a long term transition not a shut down now.

    Conservatives seem to always revert to the boogeyman on their politics.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      City services? You mean like water in lead pipes?

  3. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    It’s one thing for Richmond to stop providing gas to their citizens, businesses, & institutions. It’s something else to cut off gas to other localities who can’t vote on it.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      what law REQUIRES a gas company ANY provider – a private sector company to provide you with gas rather than abandon that service if it no longer wants to provide that service?

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        I suspect there are federal or state code sections that mandate public service corporations to maintain their services, given they have government-created monopoly territories and often used eminent domain to build their systems. Richmond Gas has gone to court to protect its monopoly territory.

        Nobody makes you read my copy, Larry. Fine with me if you don’t.

      2. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        I suspect there are federal or state code sections that mandate public service corporations to maintain their services, given they have government-created monopoly territories and often used eminent domain to build their systems. Richmond Gas has gone to court to protect its monopoly territory.

        Nobody makes you read my copy, Larry. Fine with me if you don’t.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Unless there is a viable option. Bourbon and Flint water?

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Those who say they fear what Richmond might do – might well want to spend more time understanding the current law before they talk about laws to require Richmond to provide gas.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    perhaps compare to what happened to CFCs , freon….

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    As much as it pains me to be serious, I believe I can provide a very reasonable precedent. I’m not going to look it up, not my job. Take it or leave it.

    Late 1990s in Sarasota and Manatee Counties, the counties began a years (decades?) long plan to eliminate septic tanks. They were polluting the ground water and leaking into the waterways. Apparently, sugar plantations can destroy everything with pollution, but little people can’t.

    The gist was that as a sewer hookup became available to you, you had some number of years to hook to it, or get fined. The counties would “loan” the property owners the money if they wanted by a monthly fee, presumably less than the monthly fine, but hey, Florida.

    You then removed or cleaned the tank and filled it.

    Remember much complaining in the papers, but I believe the counties prevailed in courts.

    Liberal judge — individual over Feds over states..
    Conservative judge — states over feds over individual.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      works that way in Virginia to a certain extent. You are _not_ guaranteed a septic permit even if it means you can’t occupy/live in that site.

      And the rules over the years for septic systems have gotten tighter – leaving some sites that used to be permitable, no longer so.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        This eliminated existing. Granddad died, so to speak.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Yep. people are not entitled to a septic permit nor a sewer hookup for that matter.

          but if you happen to be in an area that is served by water/sewer, they want you and your money to help pay for it!

          it’s a balance between capital costs and operational costs i.e. hook-up fees and monthly use fees.

          As far as I know, no county or town or city is REQUIRED to provide or permit areas it does not serve or soil that will not perk.

          It’s all on you.

          Ditto with the well. There are few state or local rules… get it if you can.. make sure it’s not contaminated, etc…

  6. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Richmond has more than a few low income folks who probably depend on gas for heat and Richmond leaders seem to be tuned in pretty good to the needs and issues of their low income population.

    They’re going to cut off the heat to low income folks – that’s their intent?

    Might depend on who one talks to but getting that concern from climate deniers is probably not my first choice..

    My view on fossil fuels and climate – to repeat – is that I do believe there is a problem and we do need to address it – but over time – 20-30 years, maybe longer. It’s not going to happen overnight.

    wacadoodles on the far left – AND on the right, especially the deniers are not the mainstream, not where most people are in what to do.

    The mainstream believes the science and the threat and want t transition but again – few of them are advocating shutting down fossil fuels overnight or anywhere near that.

    We’ve done this before. We had/have Ozone holes that were said to be a serious threat by science – and we did respond – and it’s still a transition – we’re not completely done yet.

  7. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    Excellent work.

  8. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    Steve, you may enjoy reading Michael Bills’ PAC complaining about Dominion corrupting politics with too much campaign money https://www.cleanvirginia.org/. We could not make that up.

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