by Kerry Dougherty

Looks like Windsor, Virginia, is finally on the map.

For all the wrong reasons.

The tiny incorporated town in Isle of Wight County, just west of Suffolk, is home to about 2,758 people.

It’s not a place that makes much news and the folks there probably like it that way.

But a traffic-stop-gone-bad catapulted the town into the national spotlight this weekend. From the Drudge Report to The New York Times, the media zeroed in on the behavior of two gun-pointing small-town police officers caught on body cam footage yelling at an African-American Army officer who was being detained over a missing license plate.

At the request of the Windsor Police Department, Gov. Ralph Northam called for a state police investigation into the incident.

Look, we don’t have all the facts. But the video is lengthy and disturbing. One of the officers, the one who pepper sprayed Lt. Caron Nazario in the face, has reportedly been sacked.

Here’s what we do know: On the night of December 5, 2020, Nazario was driving a new black SUV with a temporary tag in the rear window.

A police officer attempted to stop him for the missing license plate. Instead of pulling over on the dark road, Nazario reportedly slowed down, put on his turn signal and drove for almost a mile until he was able to stop at a well-lit BP gas station.

Meanwhile, the officer called for backup, saying the driver was attempting to elude the police.

Seriously?

Driving to an illuminated spot is what any cautious citizen does when flashing lights appear in the rear view. Especially if they are traveling at night on a narrow road.

Watch the body cam footage to see for yourself:

I almost always support the police. My philosophy is that they have dangerous jobs and aren’t paid enough to do them. They see things the rest of us never want to see, so we can sleep peacefully in our beds at night. Worse, they are asked to make split-second-adrenalin-fueled decisions that we leisurely second-guess over lattes in Starbucks.

Fact is, in this case the driver who was wearing his Army uniform was polite but filled with apparent trepidation. He didn’t get out of his car when ordered. He told the officers who were pointing their loaded weapons at him that he was afraid to get out. One responded, “You should be.”

Nice. I thought police officers were trained to “de-escalate” tense situations.

“I’m actively serving this country and this is how you treat me?” Nazario asks at one point.

After pepper spraying him at close range and roughing him up, the officers allowed Nazario go without a ticket.

Windsor officials issued a statement on Sunday:

At a press conference yesterday, Isle of Wight NAACP president Valerie Butler asked Gov. Ralph Northam to summon the General Assembly back to Richmond for a special session to abolish qualified immunity for police officers.

Several bills to end qualified immunity died in the General Assembly this past February.

In case you were wondering, the Cornell Law School Legal Information Institute defines the purpose of qualified immunity this way:

“Qualified immunity balances two important interests—the need to hold public officials accountable when they exercise power irresponsibly and the need to shield officials from harassment, distraction, and liability when they perform their duties reasonably.”

I hesitate to point this out, but the only reason we know about the December traffic stop is because Lt. Caron Nazario recently filed a civil rights lawsuit in federal court against the two police officers.

Why not wait to see the outcome of that case before tossing out legal protections for all of Virginia’s police officers?

This column is republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed & Unedited.


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65 responses to “Two Police Officers Made Windsor Famous”

  1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    The younger officer appeared to try and de-escalate the situation, even stepping in between the older officer and the Lieutenant. This is really sad. My question is if this took place in December, what happened between then and now, almost four months later? Did the US Army (assuming it was Army) know about the incident? If so, what did they do to protect other young soldiers? I would assume, I am sure wrongly, that someone from the locality would have made some notification and apology to someone that a Lieutenant was pepper sprayed and then NOT ticketed. I am certainly glad that the Lieutenant had sense enough to drive to a public place, a wonder he wasn’t run off the road and shot while attempting to do the right thing. Embarrassing for Virginia, however, it is very scary.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Yes. The Police Chief had 3 months to decide how to handle the issue and he/she waited before they did anything?

      It’s almost hypocritical to not take action until it hits the fan…. The Police Chief should go too.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        He was on his phone to a lawyer that night. Count on it. He has been following legal advice from the get go. So no, too soon to blame the chief. I bet the AG’s office was involved within 24 hours.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I have no idea how many folks operate the govt in Windsor or how competent their legal advice – but the practice of the police waiting weeks/months before it hits the
          fan is typical.

          It’s like they just like to pretend it never happened and hope it goes away.

          Don’t get me wrong. The police these days have a very tough job and for every bad/dumb cop, there are a hundred of good/smart ones.

          But the leadership can’t seem to help itself from doing everything wrong when this happens and get all police officers tarred.

          1. Tony Beres Avatar
            Tony Beres

            Even the cops are given due process. You are just hearing about this now, but if you read the article the police chief and the city have been investigating this for a long time. It sound like they concluded the investigation and terminated the offending officer. 4 months is not that long to get all the facts and make a reasonable judgement.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Well, agree. But 4 months of NOT informing the public does not engender trust in the process.

            That’s part of the problem with these cases.

            They seem to not be told to the public when they happen and the public only learns about it after a FOIA or other release long after the incident.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    On what highway was the stop made? Is it a local street in Windor or a “through road” used by many on their way to somewhere else?

    For decades, we have heard stories of Boss Hog and speed traps and for some reason, our approach has been to warn each other, as opposed to dealing with the real issue which in my mind opens up other issues beyond relatively minor traffic infractions.

    So Windsor “earned” it’s place in infamy – once again. It already had, apparently, a reputation of traffic stops, no?

    Make yourself Police Chief of Windsor in this day and time when the whole issue of traffic stops that escalate into violence is on the news every day.

    Even if you are not Police Chief but a regular patrol officer and you are wearing a body cam. What kind of person just goes ahead and does what they did?

    It’s very hard not to conclude that they not only lack training, they are stone deaf and unfit for that job. You shouldn’t need to wait for a court to “decide” that.

    And yes, the Police Chief has a role here also to guide his/her officers appropriately given the tenor of the times.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      The stop was on U.S. Rt. 460, a major highway that runs from Petersburg to Virginia Beach, through the middle of Windsor and several other small towns. During the day, there is considerable traffic on the road. I don’t know about the traffic level at night or at the time of night this incident took place.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Thanks. This is an argument here that localities may not have the same standards of professionalism and training than say, the State Police have.

        It might be “okay” if it is in a town that is off the beaten path – let that be up to the local voters.

        But for other places where the rest of the world crosses paths – it may not be good.

        I’m trying to justify in my own mind why it’s a good thing for various police in various jurisdictions may have differing training and professional standards in the first place.

        Most of us expect national or state standards when it comes to even simple things like interstate highways designs, standards, etc. We expect the State police to follow the same procedures whether in Fairfax or Halifax.

        What’s the benefit of each locality having it’s own standards?

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        460 will take you all the way to Lexington Kentucky if you meander long enough.

        East of Petersburg it can be narrow, curvy and have some rolling hills. The last time I was west of was 2013 and I was in Blackstone, so my recall isn’t as good there.

  3. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    It’s disturbing and unfortunate that this Lt. had to endure this situation. The use of the legal system to spotlight and remove bad officers is the proper method following them abusing anyone’s civil rights.

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Hmm, lemme see. Should we fire the Police Chief who sat on this 4+ months and then fired the guy the day after the video goes public?

    Lack of integrity is doing things differently when no one is watching… not(C.S. Lewis)

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “My philosophy is that they have dangerous jobs and aren’t paid enough to do them.”

    Like most philosophies, facts are not needed or may be, as they say, alternative.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    3 body cameras can be viewed here. Nothing is edited. Tells a more complete story. Camera #1 at the 19:13 mark reveals a hand gun carried by Lt. Nazario. I assume it was legal since nothing came of it. Body camera 2 reveals the conversation between the officers and Lt. Nazario in the aftermath. The author of this post should have revealed more of the context with this story. It was available and relevant. Was the author unaware? Lazy? Or slanting the story in a particular direction?
    https://www.windsor-va.gov/page/documents-and-downloads/

  7. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
    Ronnie Chappell

    Several take away lessons for me in this awful police encounter and many others. 1) There are lots of poorly trained, afraid or overly aggressive police officers out there. 2) Even good police officers can make mistakes. 3) Make sure you are perceived as compliant and not as a threat. 4) If a police officer is too stupid to deescalate a situation, its up to you. 5) When a police officer requests that you do something, comply even if you disagree. 6) The place to argue with a police officer is the station or the court house.

    1. ” 5) When a police officer requests that you do something, comply even if you disagree.”

      The lieutenant was alternately ordered to “show me your hands” and “get out of the vehicle”. How could he possibly have complied with both orders? I think he did the only thing he could do to save his life: He continued to show them his hands, stayed in the vehicle and [relatively] calmly asked questions of them.

      I saw how that fat, bald cop was acting. He was extremely agitated and was showing no signs of calming down. Despite having ordered the lieutenant to get out of the vehicle (along with continuing to occasionally shout “show me your hands”) I honestly think that cop would have shot the young man if he had drawn a hand back into the vehicle to open the drivers door and/or release his seatbelt.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Former Officer Guttierrez lost self control and self-discipline. He compromised himself and his assisting police men. The conflicting orders didn’t help at all. When you view the aftermath body cam video you can see that Guttierrez and Crocker realized they had over reacted and were moving towards making amends, covering up, while trying to justify their actions. Nazario would have been helpful by stopping immediately. Continuing to drive for 1/2 a mile was the first escalation.

        1. The last time I was pulled over at night (about 2 years ago) I drove +/-0.5 miles to a well lit area adjacent to the highway but out of traffic. I did pretty much the same thing the young lieutenant did – I slowed to about 10 mph below the speed limit and I put on a blinker.

          The young deputy who pulled me over very calmly approached my car without his weapon drawn. He thanked me for finding a place out of traffic to pull over. He told me he likes not having to worry about being hit by a passing car. After discussing my excessive speed with me for a few minutes, and suggesting I slow down, he let me go.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      You should not be at risk of being harmed or killed because the police officer is not well-trained or not a competent professional.

      Nope.

      We need less police who are not well trained or not suited for the job and more accountability when the police do screw up.

      I’m just not going to buy the idea that because police work is dangerous and difficult, …they are allowed “mulligans” or else we can’t have effective policing.

      What this does is undermine people’s trust in the police – which in the long run is far, far worse than having ill-trained, and ill-suited police on the streets. At that point, no one will trust even good police.

      1. Brian Leeper Avatar
        Brian Leeper

        For better or for worse, the police in an area tend to reflect the sort of people who chose to call that place home.

        In some cases that results in poorly trained, stupid, incompetent police because that’s all they can hire.

        It’s not like the UK where there is a national (or regional) police service and they can order a competent officer from the city to work in po-dunkville.

  8. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    On Feb. 26th at 3:15 p.m. Stanley Police Officer Nick Winum of Page County initiated a traffic stop. The driver of the vehicle in front Winum, Dakota Richards exited his vehicle before the officer could leave his. Winum was shot dead. Richards was killed later that day in a shootout. Winum left behind a wife and children.

    Something similar happened in New Mexico Feb. 4th. State policeman Darion Jarrot was shot dead. Jarrot let his guard down and paid for it. Left behind a wife and 4 children. You had better think twice before citizens permit the politicians to defang the police.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6bsr61vrw&t=30s

  9. Based on what I saw in the videos, the lead police officer (the one who pepper-sprayed the Lieutenant) does not even know how to properly hold a handgun. His ignorance and unprofessionalism make him wholly unqualified to be a police officer, in my opinion. Based on the behavior of the younger police officer, I think he is salvageable as long as they get him away from guys like his [apparently former] partner.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      The question is, how did the first officer remain employed as an officer? Are they not recognizable until they do what he did? Hard to believe, he went for that many years, and no one ever saw his performance.

      1. Why not write to the Windsor Town Council and ask them?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          You mean like they would answer and say: ” yeah, he has a history of issues” but we kept him on anyhow or some such?

          It was a rhetorical question of how and why such officers remain in good standing given how they performed in this incident? Did they just have a bad day or did they have performance issues all along and if they did, why are they still on the force?

          1. Brian Leeper Avatar
            Brian Leeper

            He’s probably one of the few applicants they got that could manage to pass a drug test.

  10. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Virginia’s law enforcement often gets it right and demonstrate great courage, compassion, and a faithful discharge of their duties. York County deputy James Robinson saving a man from jumping off of a bridge. One of my heroes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHz074Cyl1o

    1. Excellent! Thank you for posting this.

  11. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    The body cameras did their job (isn’t the clarity amazing?) The training lecture for future police academies will be easy to put together. A big cash settlement will be made (and I suspect one has already been offered and rejected before the suit actually got filed.) I too want to believe the police are doing the best they can with a bad situation, as they often do have reason to be afraid, but in this case we were not protected and we were not served.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Now, if only we can get VB officers to turn them on before shooting people… and/or staging the scene.

      1. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        Finally we agree on something.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Aw, we agree on many things. Watch. Fractional rigs are superior to masthead rigs. Gunk holing beats a stay at the Ritz any day.

          1. John Harvie Avatar
            John Harvie

            I’d be a roller furling genny type now if I were still sailing. LOA over 40′ with runners, etc. were always out of my league.

            Fractional possibly; never had one.

            Ritz was good once in a while like Tides Inn. Rose Buddies at Elizabeth City were nice.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            See? Common ground. Ground, not grounding.

            Fractional rigs are nice because you can depower the main with backstay rather than reefing. Yep, roller furling is nice for the genny, but I like my Dutchman for the main. Heard too many horror stories of roller furling mains.

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        The cameras should go on automatically when the blue lights are engaged. It’s not that tricky a problem.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          And, if the weapon is removed from the holster.

        2. Brian Leeper Avatar
          Brian Leeper

          It is when you’re dealing with the level of technical ability typically found in Virginia small towns.

  12. If only police would learn from doctors to never make a mistake — other than the some 400,000 patients killed yearly by poor doctoring…..

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Yep. But Doctors don’t pull you over to then harm you… You actually have to go to them … 😉

      1. you are right.. and doctors have minutes if not hours to figure out how to do harm…rather than a split second..

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Maybe better to compare an ER doctor or an EMS person. I’m sure they make mistakes also but in neither case does it have much to do with you as much as it does with their own training and professionalism.

          I know the police have a tough job but that job requires attributes that some folks simply don’t have. Not everyone was cut out to be an EMS or an ER doctor and the same is true of police.

    2. “If only police would learn from doctors to never make a mistake…”

      A point well taken, but perhaps it should be saved for a different incident – there was nothing “mistaken” about what that officer did in this situation.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        I think it would be best for people to understand the limits of qualified immunity. The situation that is being discussed isn’t’ covered by it, those officers are not protected in any manner by QI and can be sued because they violated someone’s civil rights.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Doctors bury their mistakes… apparently so do cops.

      Doctors don’t have qualified immunity.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Dr.’s have malpractice insurance that costs an arm and a leg yearly. So when a patient who was unhappy with an outcome sues them they have protection. The qualified immunity you seem to not understand is what protects Police from personal suit for enforcing the laws passed by Politicians you voted for.

        QI is not valid when someone’s Constitutional and Civil Rights are violated, opening that individual to monetary suit.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Which led to my post involving liabilty insurance for cops who would be responsible for premiums above the base premium. The insurance companies will fix bad cops.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Umm no that still leaves officers open for suit for enforcing laws that politiicans you voted into office.

            As I stated before QI is not applicable if the officer violates an individual’s civil right.

            The situation you’d create, would be Officers not enforcing any laws for dear if being sued personally.

  13. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Sometimes, it seems like there is a certain attitude of: ” If you don’t do what the cops tell you to do, it’s your fault what happens next, no matter what”.

    I have zero doubts, this went on for decades but it all changed with the advent of video.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, they used to beat you with a rubber hose.
      The Renegades was VB’s local 1% MC in the 70s. All in all they were well behaved when it came to the strip. This was because they never made it to court. The cops dispensed justice in the form of a broken patella.

  14. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    There is an easy fix.
    1) Eliminate Qualified Immunity.
    2) City to purchase Police Liability Insurance for each officer.
    3) City responsibile for basic premiums, officer pays excess.

    The insurance underwriters will eliminate “bad cops”.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Easier fix. Close police departments.
      1. Create a clean up crew and counseling response team.
      2. Use old police funds to pay out relief to victims of crime.
      Done. For about a week. Then citizens will want the thin blue line back.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        You mean the way Republicans want the Capitol Police? Senator What’s-his-name said he felt safe without them.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          In the days of the Republic, Rome was an unguarded city for over 500 years.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Aye, but then what happened?

          2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Let me see…the Yankees cheated again. Whitey Ford loved the spitball.

          3. Except when Hannibal was running loose through the Italian peninsula.

  15. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Make the body camera films part of the public domain unless the person being stopped objects, indexed by policeman. Let the public see how the police treat those who are stopped and visa versa.

    Meanwhile, in Maryland the Maryland General Assembly has overridden Gov Hogan’s veto of some bills passed in the name of “police reform”.

    https://www.wbaltv.com/article/maryland-leaders-react-to-passing-of-police-reform-bills/36098001#

  16. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Two guys in a pickup truck filled with boots and equipped with a plate-reader driving slowly through the public lots and streets would make a WHOLE lot more money and never shoot somebody.

    Parking Wars! Not just entertaining, it’s a good idea!

    1. Brian Leeper Avatar
      Brian Leeper

      Now I wonder what happens when a booted vehicle is repo’d. I know there are plate-reader equipped vehicles driving around looking for vehicles that are up for repossession.

  17. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Richmond city schools have a 75% graduation rate and y’all wanna string up the superintendent and open charter schools.

    The Richmond city police solve between 30 and 60% of murders and you think they’re a-okay.
    https://richmond.com/news/local/richmonds-2016-homicide-clearance-rate-tops-national-average-but-what-does-it-really-mean/article_fb388d9f-80f3-58a6-8b36-ea280f893971.html

    1. Brian Leeper Avatar
      Brian Leeper

      I would venture to guess that the Richmond city police are about as good as anything else in Richmond.

  18. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    So police officers attempt to stop a vehicle with no tags. Yes folks taping your temp tag to the inside of the rear window is not displaying the tag. Read the law. What happened to the state law that said overly darkened windows are illegal. Some additional points did the Lt in any way acknowledge the presence of the police when they attempted to pull him over? Failing to pull over would make a police officer very suspicious. In the last several weeks at least two officers were shot death in traffic stops. Now the points about police and I would love to hear from LEOs. Why doesn’t the senior officer present give all the orders instead of several officers at once? What was the purpose of pepper spray? There didn’t seem to be a threat issue, why not walk up , handcuff the individual and then open the door and allow him to exit. Sorry, but it seems to me that some officers are on a power trip. (Yes I have been stopped several times over the years and never had a bad experience.) But having worked in emergency services I have witnessed public safety employees go on power trips. One thing I have noticed though is the constant adoration of thugs with felon records who fail to follow LEOs orders and then complain when bad things happen to them That needs to stop.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Yes. The question is – for the violation of no-tag – what level of response to that is reasonable and appropriate?

      drawn guns?

      I think right now, we actually TRAIN LEOs to actually escalate based on the premise that – this is how you get bad guys… start with a premise to stop then assume it could be a bad guy and act accordingly.

      People get killed like that just for behaviors.

      1. James Kiser Avatar
        James Kiser

        I suggets you watch the murder of the officer in New Mexico and tell why LEOs approach cars with drawn guns. Sheesh as usual I am discussing facts with a person who doesn’t live in the real world. TRY reading what I said AGAIN.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I’ve seen those videos but I’m sure you’ve seen videos of unarmed people being killed by police over their behavior, right?

          The solution to bad guys killing cops is NOT , MORE cops killing anyone who exhibits bad behavior.

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