Trust the USPS With the Next Election?

by Kerry Dougherty

I’m playing postman, I thought a couple of weeks ago as I delivered mail to four of my neighbors.

That was the day that every single envelope in my mailbox was addressed to someone else. It was a record. Usually there are no more than one or two wayward envelopes.

Our regular mail carrier was on vacation, I learned, as if that excuses such incompetence.

But where’s MY mail, I wondered later when no one brought so much as one of those ubiquitous Bed, Bath and Beyond coupons.

Everyone has at least one postal horror story. Here’s another one of mine:

Several years ago my niece in Greensboro, N.C., had a baby. It was our family’s first grandchild and much excitement ensued. I found a beautiful blanket for that cherub, wrapped it, addressed it and sent it Priority Mail. You know, so it would arrive promptly.

The distance between Virginia Beach and Greensboro is 253 miles. A trip I can make in 4 1/2 hours.

The package was mailed on March 25. It arrived on July 11.

Don’t take my word for it. Here’s the column I wrote at the time.

I’m not going to beat up on the US Postal Service today. Not excessively, anyway. That quasi-governmental agency has enough problems. But it’s worth noting that the service lost $8.8 billion last year and is in deep trouble this year, as it prepares to close post offices and raise rates to try to stop the hemorrhaging.

In April, Politico had a comprehensive piece outlining the constellation of troubles plaguing the one service Americans relied upon during the early days of the pandemic. Congress created a thorny problem when it mandated a retirement health program for former USPS employees that’s bankrupting the service.

Neither political party seems particularly interested in fixing the USPS.

Yet every single one of us who has gotten misdelivered mail — which I venture to say is 100% of Americans — or who has witnessed extraordinary delays and lost letters should gulp when politicians start yapping about turning over the next election to this dysfunctional agency.

If that isn’t bad enough, cast your eyes north to New York where two June 23rd congressional primary races were undecided until yesterday, largely because the postal service was swamped with ballots.

In a New York Times piece headlined, “Why the Botched NYC Primary Has Become The November Nightmare: Nearly six weeks later, two congressional races remain undecided, and officials are trading blame over the mishandling of tens of thousands of mail-in ballots,” the paper showed how easily the postal service can be paralyzed by an influx of ballots.

“This election is a canary in the coal mine,” said Suraj Patel, a Democrat running for Congress in a district that includes parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens, who has filed a federal lawsuit over the primary.

Mr. Patel trails the incumbent, Representative Carolyn B. Maloney, by some 3,700 votes, though more than 12,000 ballots have been disqualified, including about 1,200 that were missing postmarks, he said.

Missing postmarks, disqualified ballots and an overwhelmed postal service during a PRIMARY ought to give all of us pause. Imagine what would happen during a presidential election conducted by mail.

This NYC canary died, yet some are still suggesting universal mail-in balloting to help voters who bravely enter supermarkets and Home Depot but have a crippling fear of contracting COVID-19 at their polling places.

Those who suggest that mail-in voting is the only alternative to in-person balloting lack imagination. There are a multitude of measures states can take NOW to get ready for November.

Double the number of polling places, for instance. Allow drive-up voting at suburban precincts.

There’s always good old-fashioned absentee ballots, which must be requested so they’re rarely mailed to dead people, unlike universal mail-in balloting where everyone on the rolls gets a vote.

Even if they’re residing in a cemetery.

This column was republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed & Unedited.


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97 responses to “Trust the USPS With the Next Election?”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Question is who do you want instead of USPS and at what higher price? Damaging USPS won’t make it better no more than damaging the ACA will make it better….

  2. First prediction: There will be many close elections at the state level where mail-in ballots will determine the outcome.

    Second prediction: The U.S. will see a replay of the Bush-Gore election, with lawsuits filed and the political parties engaging in trench warfare over the validity of every single ballot. (Remember hanging chads, anyone?)

    Third prediction: The election outcome will be determined by legal rulings of the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Fourth prediction: A large swath of the population will dispute the legitimacy of the election outcome. Widespread disorder will ensue.

    1. I think the 4th point is a lock no matter the outcome, neither base will concede their candidate lost without nefarious actions. Those seeds were sown in 2016 and will come to fruition at this point.

  3. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Jim says: “Fourth prediction: A large swath of the population will dispute the legitimacy of the election outcome. Widespread disorder will ensue.”

    Yes, Jim is right. And the radical left wing of the Democratic Party will love this result, and so are actively working towards this disorders. Indeed, it is an important part of their playbook. And they work hard everyday to “convince by all means necessary” that our resistance to their demands are futile.

    1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      The Philly article is more about liberal leave policies due to Covid as the reason for mail issues. But it brings up a good point… the Postal Workers should refuse to deliver the mail like the teachers. Junk mail is not worth one life!

    2. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      The Market Watch article states this is “decade” long issue exacerbated by Covid… why didn’t Barry and Biden fix it?
      Weird how everything in the world started at year 1 AT… (after Trump or 2016).

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Here is what was done to the USPS by Congress on purpose to harm the USPS –

    Significant financial losses result from a legislative requirement that the Postal Service pre-fund its retiree health benefits.

    Unlike any other public or private entity, under a 2006 law, the U.S. Postal Service must pre-fund retiree health benefits. We must pay today for benefits that will not be paid out until some future date. Other federal agencies and most private sector companies use a “pay-as-you-go” system, by which the entity pays premiums as they are billed. Shifting to such a system would equate to an average of $5.65 billion in additional cash flow per year through 2016, and save the Postal Service an estimated $50 billion over the next ten years. With the announcement of our Action Plan in March, we began laying the foundation for change, requesting that Congress restructure this obligation.

    https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/financials/annual-reports/fy2010/ar2010_4_002.htm

    If you think what was done to the USPS should be the way it is for all agencies and the private sector why is it mandated ONLY for the USPS?

    Imagine where you live – that your BOS had to follow this same rule for county and school employees… and what effect it would have on taxes.

  5. Lawrence Hincker Avatar
    Lawrence Hincker

    The USPS delivers myriad tax refunds, self congratulatory letters from Trump about CARES funding, state driver licenses that affirm our identity at in-person polling places, valuable credit cards, and a god-zillion packages from on-line purchases….but now it can’t be trusted to deliver ballots? Go figure.

    Oh wait, Trump says it’s okay to deliver his ballot in Florida but is now in court to stop postal delivered ballots in Nevada. As usual, logic, consistency, and rationality are in short supply on Penn. Avenue.

  6. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    In the very low turnout primary in June, at the precinct where I work, we had people come in saying that they requested absentee ballots which had never arrived. We had people come in carrying absentee ballots which had arrived too late to execute, so they turned them in blank to vote in person. And the list of absentee voters we’d been given didn’t match the pollbook entries. November with its massive crowds is going to be such fun!!

    I think the Board of Elections took some steps yesterday to improve the situation – but even if everything is perfect, it still will be problematic. There are absentee ballot protections which can work, but the reliability of the USPS is indeed at the heart of it.

    1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      We are in for a zoo election full of fraud and uncertainty that will almost surely create a national crisis, absent a landslide election.

  7. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    In the very low turnout primary in June, at the precinct where I work, we had people come in saying that they requested absentee ballots which had never arrived. We had people come in carrying absentee ballots which had arrived too late to execute, so they turned them in blank to vote in person. And the list of absentee voters we’d been given didn’t match the pollbook entries. November with its massive crowds is going to be such fun!!

    I think the Board of Elections took some steps yesterday to improve the situation – but even if everything is perfect, it still will be problematic. There are absentee ballot protections which can work, but the reliability of the USPS is indeed at the heart of it.

  8. idiocracy Avatar
    idiocracy

    When you take people who don’t have the logistical abilities to run a lemonade stand and put them in charge of things like this, you get results like that.

  9. idiocracy Avatar
    idiocracy

    When you take people who don’t have the logistical abilities to run a lemonade stand and put them in charge of things like this, you get results like that.

  10. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Unlike Kerry, I only get a misdirected letter occasionally. Neither have I had much trouble with late mail.

    What private company in this country will deliver a letter from you to anywhere in the country, even the wilds of Montana or the deserts of Arizona, for 55 cents?

    We expect the USPS to “operate like a business”, but then we impose rules on it that are unbusinesslike, such as the same rate for anywhere in the country, prefunding retirement benefits, prohibiting the closure of small rural post offices, etc.

    The government subsidizes farmers, exports and the oil, ethanol, and housing industries, among others, but the very notion of providing federal appropriations for the postal service which provides vital services to every citizen is somehow anathema. It does not make sense.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      ditto – 99%+ of my mail arrives and it’s really rare than something going awry.

      I’d hate to see how much UPS would charge to deliver a letter… I’m thinking dollars not 55 cents.

      However, I do believe that ultimately cost-savings would be found – but they won’t at all be what we are used to.

      Also would like to point out that UPS is UNION – that’s RIGHT!

      UPS is the single largest employer in the Teamsters Union. … The UPS contract is the largest private collective bargaining agreement in North America.

      So, Amazon wants to run their own package delivery service so that UPS would get stuck with the letters!

      The postal system would be turned into versions of cable companies and cell phone companies … no doubt… be careful what you wish for.

  11. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, and ran ads from slave catchers in his papers. It hadn’t come up yet so I figured, why not? (That he later became an avid abolitionist clearly doesn’t save his reputation.) Now back to the point….

    My Granny was a postmaster (book title?) in the bustling metropolis of Bluefield, VA, and I grew up treating that office like a playground. Always had a fondness for the USPS. Really, the bad experience at that building in The Fan 2009-18 was my first glimpse into how bad it had gotten, and since then I’ve often engaged the people in conversation to ask about it. You can point to the unions (as my grandmother did way back in the late 60’s) or the financial manipulations, but the bottom line to me is they let the profitable business lines get siphoned off. Don’t underestimate the loss of revenue from dying print publications, either.

    I have zero confidence the current administration is interested in saving it.

  12. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Somehow this post ignores trump’s funding cuts at usps. But on this blog and in author’s thinking, trump apparently does’t exist

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      I moved into the One Monument Avenue building in 2009 and found the kind of decrepit mail service Kerry describes, most pieces in the wrong boxes. Trump do that? 2009?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        The GOP cut funding in that budget also…..

        1. idiocracy Avatar
          idiocracy

          Exactly how does a funding cut result in mail in the wrong boxes? Is it that they couldn’t afford “Hooked on Phonics” for the employees to do for them what their K-12 education failed to do?

    2. CrazyJD Avatar

      So tell me, Peter, what you mean by “funding cuts”. Show me. Inquiring minds want to know.

      1. CrazyJD Avatar

        Since we didn’t hear from Peter, I’ll tell you. The fact is there aren’t any “funding” cuts; there are some spending cuts, necessary because they’re close to going under. Remember, Peter, that the USPS is supposed to be self supporting. If there were any “cuts” (and we know that under Congressional thinking, a “cut” is any time you don’t increase the rate of spending), it was Congress that wouldn’t approve this or that increase in rates, or closure of one room post offices.

        1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
          Reed Fawell 3rd

          Turn the United States Postal Service over to AMAZON, getting rid of its public unions and corrupt political oversight, and the USPS then up Amazon management and control will thrive as never before, making $billions serving us all with world class service. Just as Amazon does with all it touches.

          What a scandal our governments and our public / quasi public institutions are today. These scandal infested institutions range from public education of all kinds, to an increasingly gross lack and failure of public safety and public health in big urban areas, to our wildly incompetent and over costly public mail delivery. And now too it is growing in our energy sector.

          All of these are leftist inspired national scandals growing on steroids that breed rafts of new dysfunctions, disorders, chaos, and corruptions daily, driven by crony capitalists, corrupted politicians, and now also radical leftist activists who have captured the Democratic Party and its politics driven by greed, quests for ever more power, money, hate, and ideology by a few over the many who pay the bills.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Leave it up to Conservatives to attack and damage the institutions we do have, to advocate for their destruction and have no real world alternatives… in replace them.

            The premise is that they are not being run correctly and the fix is to undermine them further…. to force them into even more dire straights…

            It’s “starve the beast” and ” we have no clue what comes next”.

    3. Contrary to your opinion throwing money at a Government institution doesn’t solves problems, it just makes more. Much like throwing money at the DoD, you’re just masking the issues of accountability.

      Oh and the USPS started losing money circa 2006 in droves, when they were required to refund retire health benefits (Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006). They were trying to avoid the pitfalls of Social Security and funding for the future retirees.

      The USPS operates on user fees, like the ones that they charge Amazon. However, they significantly undercharge them for the services rendered. I presume because Mr. Bezos has them over the coals.

    4. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      The proper expression for the Trump believer is “drinking ones own bath water.”

      USPS. The keyword is Service, not Postal. It is supposed to be run as a service not as a business, contrary to GOPthink.

      1. idiocracy Avatar
        idiocracy

        Service the way bulls service cows, apparently.

  13. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Somehow this post ignores trump’s funding cuts at usps. But on this blog and in author’s thinking, trump apparently does’t exist

    1. Contrary to your opinion throwing money at a Government institution doesn’t solves problems, it just makes more. Much like throwing money at the DoD, you’re just masking the issues of accountability.

      Oh and the USPS started losing money circa 2006 in droves, when they were required to refund retire health benefits (Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006). They were trying to avoid the pitfalls of Social Security and funding for the future retirees.

      The USPS operates on user fees, like the ones that they charge Amazon. However, they significantly undercharge them for the services rendered. I presume because Mr. Bezos has them over the coals.

  14. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Question is who do you want instead of USPS and at what higher price? Damaging USPS won’t make it better no more than damaging the ACA will make it better….

  15. First prediction: There will be many close elections at the state level where mail-in ballots will determine the outcome.

    Second prediction: The U.S. will see a replay of the Bush-Gore election, with lawsuits filed and the political parties engaging in trench warfare over the validity of every single ballot. (Remember hanging chads, anyone?)

    Third prediction: The election outcome will be determined by legal rulings of the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Fourth prediction: A large swath of the population will dispute the legitimacy of the election outcome. Widespread disorder will ensue.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Correct

    2. I think the 4th point is a lock no matter the outcome, neither base will concede their candidate lost without nefarious actions. Those seeds were sown in 2016 and will come to fruition at this point.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Exactly what the Current Occupant wants and is trying to promote.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        This pre-dates Trump. What the GOP wants is for the USPS to be self-supporting and not need government subsidies.

        If they really think that – i.e. want to put their money where their mouths are – they are to put USPS up for sale to the market. Let UPS or Fed Ex or even Amazon bid on it – and make them also pre-fund the pensions and health insurance the same way they are forced to right now.

        So every Post Office would then become a UPS or Fed Ex outlet and home delivery would cease or become an extra cost service where you’d pay UPS/Fed Ex rates for delivery of mail.

        My bet is that is the GOP actually put their money where their mouth is – they’d lose the Senate and the House in the next election.

        So this is really a game of them doing what they can to harm USPS without them being really being accountable for it.

        It’s a stealth version of “starve the beast” because the in-the-open version gets them booted.

  16. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Jim says: “Fourth prediction: A large swath of the population will dispute the legitimacy of the election outcome. Widespread disorder will ensue.”

    Yes, Jim is right. And the radical left wing of the Democratic Party will love this result, and so are actively working towards this disorders. Indeed, it is an important part of their playbook. And they work hard everyday to “convince by all means necessary” that our resistance to their demands are futile.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Wrong, the president is doing everything he can to cast doubts on the legitimacy of the election.

      Show me where the “radical wing of the Democratic Party..[is] actively working towards this [sic] disorders.”

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        He actually is seriously damaging the elections without any real proposal to fix elections. It’s all about keeping people from voting or if they do vote to claim they are illegal.

        The “left” is not going to fix this. It’s actually going to be moderates including the GOP – who stand up to preserve our elections.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Trust ends confusion. Trump makes money in confusion. Therefore, Trump is out to destroy trust.

  17. “Everyone has at least one postal horror story. Here’s another one of mine”

    Most of us probably also have Fed-Ex, UPS and DHL horror stories. I know I do.

  18. so it’s okay to go to Lowes and Wal-Mart and the ABC store, but if you stand in line outside of the library to vote — you’ll die from C-19…got it.

    I think the USG must mandate that all people going to the polls to vote must carry a ‘BLM’ sign as it apparently wards of the virus…. even Saint Fauci knows that.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      At Lowe’s, Wal-Mart, and ABC stores, you and the folks around you are moving, not standing next to the same people, who may be talking, coughing, etc., for five minutes or more. There is a difference.

      1. oh – so Covid can’t hit a moving target.. i haven’t seen that study. do you have a link?
        indoors vs. outdoors?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          it’s actually fairly simple: ” For COVID-19, a close contact is anyone who was within 6 feet of an infected person for at least 15 minutes. ”

          https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/public-health-recommendations.html

          1. ahhhhh…. so 73 inches and you’re fine. what about standing in the check out line?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            ***Data are insufficient to precisely define the duration of time that constitutes a prolonged exposure. Recommendations vary on the length of time of exposure, but 15 minutes of close exposure can be used as an operational definition. Brief interactions are less likely to result in transmission; however, symptoms and the type of interaction (e.g., did the infected person cough directly into the face of the exposed individual) remain important.

            of course, one can just dismiss all of this and say it’s a hoax….

            https://qz.com/1831100/where-does-the-six-feet-social-distancing-guideline-come-from/

        2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Fair question. See Don Rippert’s earlier discussion on this blog. https://www.baconsrebellion.com/reopening-know-and-avoid-the-risks/

    2. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      My 92 year old mother ain’t going to Lowe’s but she does want to vote.

  19. so it’s okay to go to Lowes and Wal-Mart and the ABC store, but if you stand in line outside of the library to vote — you’ll die from C-19…got it.

    I think the USG must mandate that all people going to the polls to vote must carry a ‘BLM’ sign as it apparently wards of the virus…. even Saint Fauci knows that.

    1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      My 92 year old mother ain’t going to Lowe’s but she does want to vote.

    1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      The Philly article is more about liberal leave policies due to Covid as the reason for mail issues. But it brings up a good point… the Postal Workers should refuse to deliver the mail like the teachers. Junk mail is not worth one life!

    2. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      The Market Watch article states this is “decade” long issue exacerbated by Covid… why didn’t Barry and Biden fix it?
      Weird how everything in the world started at year 1 AT… (after Trump or 2016).

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I’ve seen the following now several times in different reports:

          ” calling for a requirement that eligible retirees use Medicare as their primary health care provider.”

          On that issue, it sounds like the Postal Service is NOT doing what most other employers including Fed and State do which (I think) requires retirees to take Medicare and the employer insurance is secondary.

          Now, that helps the GAAP accounting long-term liability issues for sure but in a way – it’s just shifting those costs to Medicare overall – increasing the amount of spending for Medicare overall.

          Medicare (Part B) is funded 75% by the Government (taxpayers) and 25% by subscribers/beneficiaries so if overall costs go up – then both the govt and retirees end up paying more.

          Medicare PartB (for providers, Part A is for hospitals) – actually costs about $600 a month ( govt share plus individual premium share) – or about $6500-7200 per subscriber.

          https://www.kff.org/report-section/a-primer-on-medicare-how-is-medicare-financed-and-what-are-medicares-future-financing-challenges/#:~:text=Funding%20for%20Medicare%20comes%20primarily,and%20premiums%20paid%20by%20beneficiaries.&text=Part%20B%2C%20the%20Supplementary%20Medical,and%20interest%20and%20other%20sources.

        2. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
          Baconator with extra cheese

          By the way the article reads that both parties proposed real changes. It appears one of the main hang ups was the retirees’ health insurnace. God forbid they have to do like us paupers in retirement… my God they are federal government workers and this is their entitlement….
          My point was these are long standing issues that did not start when Orangeman-Bad took office in year 1 AT (After Trump). This is a reflection of decades of leadership failure…
          I’m also amused that some on here tout the new economy, new energy, and how some old timers won’t reconize social changes, etc… but want a USPS that I haven’t used in a decade (all online bill pay) that delivers 90% junk at a discount price to serve coporations. Bezos started his own delivery empire and I’m sure he or someone else can do the job with much greater efficiency. It’s a lost cause that has viable competition from the market.. they can raise their prices to remain relevant, cut costs, cut services (I’m fine with getting junk mail 3 days a week), or disappear.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            re: ” but want a USPS that I haven’t used in a decade (all online bill pay) that delivers 90% junk at a discount price to serve”

            well I too, am 99% all online bill pay but I still rely on USPS to get new credit cards, drivers license, vehicle decals, and quite a few other things… do you not also? I’m betting that, that stuff would cost $5 a pop or more for a non USPS delivery.

            re: retirees health insurance

            so here’s the deal – some employers, most govt agencies Federal state and local allow people to retire after 30 years. That leaves a “gap” until age 65. That gap is a problem and it is an issue for folks who lose their “career” jobs at ages 45-65 also.

            One can argue that the US alone of all the developed countries does this with regard to health care. All the other developed countries have universal health care which not only is “portable” but is not a burden on businesses nor govt agency budgets. When you look at our public schools – where teachers often retire at age 55 or so – local taxpayers are paying for that health care insurance gap… and now GAAP requires it to be booked as an unfunded liability if it is not accounted for in the budget.

          2. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
            Baconator with extra cheese

            I’ll pay $5 a pop for the like 6 things I need that the post office might deliver each year to eliminate the bloat, plus the poisonous carbon emissions from their fleet.
            And we can use the USPS properties to build affordable housing to boot….
            But here’s one kicker… USPS hires a disproportionate number of BIPOC… so eliminating it will become an equity issue.
            21% African American, 8%Hispanic, 8%Asian, 0.67% Native American.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Any idea how much USPS costs each of us right now in subsidies? $125 ?

          4. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
            Baconator with extra cheese

            Nope and don’t care. Private mail would cost me nothing in subsidities. And yes, I understand tax loopholes. Get rid of those too for everyone and everything for all I care. I want everyone to understand the true costs of all goods and services.

  20. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    The Post has a bunch more stories but I am not at the computer where I have a subscription

  21. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    The Post has a bunch more stories but I am not at the computer where I have a subscription

  22. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Here is what was done to the USPS by Congress on purpose to harm the USPS –

    Significant financial losses result from a legislative requirement that the Postal Service pre-fund its retiree health benefits.

    Unlike any other public or private entity, under a 2006 law, the U.S. Postal Service must pre-fund retiree health benefits. We must pay today for benefits that will not be paid out until some future date. Other federal agencies and most private sector companies use a “pay-as-you-go” system, by which the entity pays premiums as they are billed. Shifting to such a system would equate to an average of $5.65 billion in additional cash flow per year through 2016, and save the Postal Service an estimated $50 billion over the next ten years. With the announcement of our Action Plan in March, we began laying the foundation for change, requesting that Congress restructure this obligation.

    https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/financials/annual-reports/fy2010/ar2010_4_002.htm

    If you think what was done to the USPS should be the way it is for all agencies and the private sector why is it mandated ONLY for the USPS?

    Imagine where you live – that your BOS had to follow this same rule for county and school employees… and what effect it would have on taxes.

  23. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Man I am definitely voting for the Orangeman! He knew in 2006 to manipulate the USPS just so he could win reelection in 2020? The dude is a time-bending super ninja!
    Actually I say Kayne 2020!

  24. Lawrence Hincker Avatar
    Lawrence Hincker

    The USPS delivers myriad tax refunds, self congratulatory letters from Trump about CARES funding, state driver licenses that affirm our identity at in-person polling places, valuable credit cards, and a god-zillion packages from on-line purchases….but now it can’t be trusted to deliver ballots? Go figure.

    Oh wait, Trump says it’s okay to deliver his ballot in Florida but is now in court to stop postal delivered ballots in Nevada. As usual, logic, consistency, and rationality are in short supply on Penn. Avenue.

  25. VaNavVet Avatar

    I am in favor of “no excuse” absentee voting and see no problem with mailing an application to all voters on the rolls. The voter signs the application and then signs the ballot creating a record that can be verified if required. In fact, if you request an absentee ballot online in VA they access your signature on file with the DMV using your SSN and driver’s license number. Campaigns are also able to hand out paper absentee ballot applications. A witness has also been required in the past with the ballot. As poll workers become more difficult to find, polling locations are combined leading to longer lines and waiting times. Increased voter participation should always be the goal.

  26. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Unlike Kerry, I only get a misdirected letter occasionally. Neither have I had much trouble with late mail.

    What private company in this country will deliver a letter from you to anywhere in the country, even the wilds of Montana or the deserts of Arizona, for 55 cents?

    We expect the USPS to “operate like a business”, but then we impose rules on it that are unbusinesslike, such as the same rate for anywhere in the country, prefunding retirement benefits, prohibiting the closure of small rural post offices, etc.

    The government subsidizes farmers, exports and the oil, ethanol, and housing industries, among others, but the very notion of providing federal appropriations for the postal service which provides vital services to every citizen is somehow anathema. It does not make sense.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      ditto – 99%+ of my mail arrives and it’s really rare than something going awry.

      I’d hate to see how much UPS would charge to deliver a letter… I’m thinking dollars not 55 cents.

      However, I do believe that ultimately cost-savings would be found – but they won’t at all be what we are used to.

      Also would like to point out that UPS is UNION – that’s RIGHT!

      UPS is the single largest employer in the Teamsters Union. … The UPS contract is the largest private collective bargaining agreement in North America.

      So, Amazon wants to run their own package delivery service so that UPS would get stuck with the letters!

      The postal system would be turned into versions of cable companies and cell phone companies … no doubt… be careful what you wish for.

  27. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, and ran ads from slave catchers in his papers. It hadn’t come up yet so I figured, why not? (That he later became an avid abolitionist clearly doesn’t save his reputation.) Now back to the point….

    My Granny was a postmaster (book title?) in the bustling metropolis of Bluefield, VA, and I grew up treating that office like a playground. Always had a fondness for the USPS. Really, the bad experience at that building in The Fan 2009-18 was my first glimpse into how bad it had gotten, and since then I’ve often engaged the people in conversation to ask about it. You can point to the unions (as my grandmother did way back in the late 60’s) or the financial manipulations, but the bottom line to me is they let the profitable business lines get siphoned off. Don’t underestimate the loss of revenue from dying print publications, either.

    I have zero confidence the current administration is interested in saving it.

  28. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    It’s not only Trump – the GOP has been at this for a while and I have zero confidence that they have a real “plan”. They continue to think that the Postal Service should break even but then they put this pension requirement on them that neither UPS nor Fed Ex is required to do.

    It’s amazing to me that really important mail – like driver licenses, credit cards, legal documents, passports, are delivered reliably for cheap. Any of these things delivered by the private sector -you can bet will cost you plenty.

    Like I said – if the GOP really did to USPS what they say they want to do – they’d be out on their proverbial kiesters at the next election – and they know it so instead they undermine it.

  29. “Everyone has at least one postal horror story. Here’s another one of mine”

    Most of us probably also have Fed-Ex, UPS and DHL horror stories. I know I do.

  30. VaNavVet Avatar

    I am in favor of “no excuse” absentee voting and see no problem with mailing an application to all voters on the rolls. The voter signs the application and then signs the ballot creating a record that can be verified if required. In fact, if you request an absentee ballot online in VA they access your signature on file with the DMV using your SSN and driver’s license number. Campaigns are also able to hand out paper absentee ballot applications. A witness has also been required in the past with the ballot. As poll workers become more difficult to find, polling locations are combined leading to longer lines and waiting times. Increased voter participation should always be the goal.

  31. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Even if everyone is ok with trusting mail in ballots, are they ok with waiting weeks to months for the veridication and counting? This will definitely be the first election where no matter what happens on that Tuesday night we will not know who is even winning…. neither party will concede for months, recounts, and court cases….

    1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      If it allows all citizens who are eligible to actually vote, I can wait to discover who won until their votes are properly counted. What unAmerican PoS would be bothered by such a wait?

  32. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Even if everyone is ok with trusting mail in ballots, are they ok with waiting weeks to months for the veridication and counting? This will definitely be the first election where no matter what happens on that Tuesday night we will not know who is even winning…. neither party will concede for months, recounts, and court cases….

    1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
      Eric the Half a Troll

      If it allows all citizens who are eligible to actually vote, I can wait to discover who won until their votes are properly counted. What unAmerican PoS would be bothered by such a wait?

  33. “But where’s MY mail, I wondered later when no one brought so much as one of those ubiquitous Bed, Bath and Beyond coupons.”

    JUST one… you are getting screwed by the USPS as we always get three to four.

    Back in the good ole days when I’d get my SI in the mail I noticed the pre-Super Bowl swim suit issue was ALWAYS three or four days late….. hmmmmm…this is USPS problem is not a Trump issue!

  34. “But where’s MY mail, I wondered later when no one brought so much as one of those ubiquitous Bed, Bath and Beyond coupons.”

    JUST one… you are getting screwed by the USPS as we always get three to four.

    Back in the good ole days when I’d get my SI in the mail I noticed the pre-Super Bowl swim suit issue was ALWAYS three or four days late….. hmmmmm…this is USPS problem is not a Trump issue!

  35. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Lyndon Johnson would approve of mail in balloting. He could have avoided the Box 13 Scandal of 1948.

  36. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Lyndon Johnson would approve of mail in balloting. He could have avoided the Box 13 Scandal of 1948.

  37. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    I say you walk up and stand in the normal line 6 feet apart with a mask or opt to drive up at a centralized location or two… high schools, racetracks, stadiums… places that can handle the lines… if drive up is necessary then yes you need more staff.
    You send out a mailer… if you opt for drive up and your name is A through Davidson you are scheduled for 6am until 7 pm Saturday Oct 31… Davidsons through Heller 6 am until 7 pm Monday Nov 2…. walkup voting will be heald on Nov 3 from 6am until 7 pm… if you choose the driveup option we anticipate a long wait in your car so make sure you have a full tank!
    This option beats waiting for months to have the election called… and eliminates the debates over validity of millions of.mail in ballots.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I think the idea has potential especially if people can do their own appointments so that couples could come in one car… etc…or carpooling for others in a community… etc..

      But you’ll need more staff on the front end also to set up the online scheduling…

      You haven’t mentioned biometrics… is that a way to curb fraud?

  38. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    And how about drive up voting… good enough to pick up kids summer meals at the schools and good enough for Covid testing…
    Assign people a day/ time based on their last names. Start voting early.
    Drive up, show ID, pencil ballot in car, hand to scanner, you can watch scan… adios… all under a tent. ID Checker scanner wears gloves has face shield, person in car wears mask…

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      uh… how many people vote at your precinct? At mine, it’s like 3000 if I remember correctly.

      Actually – it’s an idea… but it has some issues…

      How would you set up appointments ahead of time? How would you
      handle logistics ? All of that will require additional personnel , no?

      Finally – have you gone to the SBE and gone through the process of getting a mail-in ballot? I did and I don’t see how it can be scammed very easily – they want personal info – like your birth date and Social security number… driver license no… etc…

      Now once the ballot arrives, I presume someone could snatch it…. but again – that’s not something a whole bunch of ballots could be intercepted and changed to one candidate…

      what say you?

  39. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    I say you walk up and stand in the normal line 6 feet apart with a mask or opt to drive up at a centralized location or two… high schools, racetracks, stadiums… places that can handle the lines… if drive up is necessary then yes you need more staff.
    You send out a mailer… if you opt for drive up and your name is A through Davidson you are scheduled for 6am until 7 pm Saturday Oct 31… Davidsons through Heller 6 am until 7 pm Monday Nov 2…. walkup voting will be heald on Nov 3 from 6am until 7 pm… if you choose the driveup option we anticipate a long wait in your car so make sure you have a full tank!
    This option beats waiting for months to have the election called… and eliminates the debates over validity of millions of.mail in ballots.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I think the idea has potential especially if people can do their own appointments so that couples could come in one car… etc…or carpooling for others in a community… etc..

      But you’ll need more staff on the front end also to set up the online scheduling…

      You haven’t mentioned biometrics… is that a way to curb fraud?

      1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
        Baconator with extra cheese

        Biometrics? Democrats consider voter ID laws racist.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I don’t see how a fingerprint or eye-scan or facial recognition would be considered so and if it allows more people to vote I bet the Dems would like it…

          Right now, I login in to banking and other services via fingerprint and I understand it can be done with eye scans and facial recognition – why not vote that way?

          1. “I don’t see how a fingerprint or eye-scan or facial recognition would be considered so…”

            You ARE joking, right?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            no. I’d support it and I suspect if it meant someone could vote remotely once they were identified by those means – they’d be happy with it.. no more driving to the polls or waiting in lines or worrying about ID cards, etc…

            sure… why not?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Make it optional. I bet once the word got around it would be
            wildly accepted!

            Think of all the folks that have to get off work to vote or it’s just plain hard for them to get to the polls physically…

            Think of the money saved! All the facilities and equipment!

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Drive-up voting has some merit. There is another option that I am thinking about using–early voting in person at the registrar’s office. I don’t trust the post office under the new Postmaster General, whose main qualification seems to be that he was a big contributor to the Current Occupant. https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/absentee-voting/index.html

  40. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    went through drive-up COVID-19 testing this morning. They had no trouble identifying me…. easy peezy

  41. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    went through drive-up COVID-19 testing this morning. They had no trouble identifying me…. easy peezy

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