Time for a Public Debate among Medical Experts on Treatment of Gender Incongruent Minors

John Littel Virginia Secretary of Health and Human Resources

by James C. Sherlock

When there is significant public interest in complex and controversial topics, it is best to let experts debate in public.

Such a topic is why Virginia children’s hospitals and clinics treat gender dysphoric children and adolescents with puberty blockers and cross-gender hormones as a standard practice.

And whether Virginia should permit them to continue to do so.

I offer for debate the recent decision by Sweden that the risks of hormonal interventions for gender-dysphoric youth outweigh the potential benefits.  They have restricted those specific interventions for minors to a very limited number of circumstances.

I recommend that the Virginia Secretary of Health and Human Resources sponsor a televised, structured debate among prominent medical experts.

Use the Swedish decision (below) that set strict limits on the use of hormones on minors as the motion, with the proposition/affirmative team arguing that decision is correct.

Ask leaders of the gender transition clinics at UVa and VCU to argue the negative side.  Use standard debate format and rules.

Such a public debate, as far as I know, would be the first of its kind on this topic in the United States.  It would draw a national audience and provide a national service.

Finding a broadcast venue to televise it should not present a challenge.

I offer below the Summary of Key Recommendations from the Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare dated February of this year:

Background
In February 2022, the Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare (NBHW) issued an update to its health care service guidelines for children and youth <18 with gender dysphoria / gender incongruence.

This update contains 14 distinct “recommendations, with justification for each, referencing a recently completed systematic review of evidence. Three of the recommendations provide guidance for social support for gender dysphoric youth and their families; nine focus on the assessment of gender dysphoria/gender incongruence; and two target hormonal interventions: puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. Additional updates are anticipated later in 2022.

Key Changes in the Updated Guidelines
Following a comprehensive review of evidence, the NBHW concluded that the evidence base for hormonal interventions for gender-dysphoric youth is of low quality, and that hormonal treatments may carry risks. NBHW also concluded that the evidence for pediatric transition comes from studies where the population was markedly different from the cases presenting for care today. In addition, NBHW noted increasing reports of detransition and transition-related regret among youth who transitioned in recent years.

NBHW emphasized the need to treat gender dysphoric youth with dignity and respect, while providing high quality, evidence-based medical care that prioritizes long-term health. NBHW also emphasized that identity formation in youth is an evolving process, and that the experience of natural puberty is a vital step in the development of the overall identity, as well as gender identity.

In light of above limitations in the evidence base, the ongoing identity formation in youth, and in view of the fact that gender transition has pervasive and lifelong consequences, the NBHW has concluded that, at present, the risks of hormonal interventions for gender dysphoric youth outweigh the potential benefits.

As a result of this determination, the eligibility for pediatric gender transition with puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones in Sweden will be sharply curtailed.

Only a minority of gender dysphoric youth—those with the “classic” childhood onset of cross-sex identification and distress, which persist and cause clear suffering in adolescence—will be considered as potentially eligible for hormonal interventions, pending additional, extensive multidisciplinary evaluation.

For all others, including the now-prevalent cohort of youth whose transgender identities emerged for the first time during or after puberty, psychiatric care and gender-exploratory psychotherapy will be offered instead.

Exceptions will be made on a case-by-case basis, and the number of clinics providing pediatric gender transition will be reduced to a few highly specialized centralized care centers.

That statement is followed by a Summary of Key Points:

Following a rigorous analysis of evidence base, there has been a marked change in treatment recommendations. The guidance has changed from a previously strong recommendation to treat youth with hormones, to new caution to avoid hormones except for “exceptional cases.” A more cautious approach that prioritizes non-invasive interventions is now recommended, due to recognition of the importance of allowing ongoing maturation and identity formation of youth.

Currently, the NBHW assert that the risks of hormonal treatments outweigh the benefits for most gender-dysphoric youth

  • Poor quality/insufficient evidence: The evidence for safety and efficacy of treatments remains insufficient to draw any definitive conclusions;
  • Poorly understood marked change in demographics: The sharp rise in the numbers of youth seeking to transition and the change in sex ratio toward a preponderance of females is not well-understood;
  • Growing visibility of de-transition/regret: New knowledge about de-transition in young adults challenges prior assumption of low regret, and the fact that most do not tell practitioners about their detransition could indicate that de-transition rates have been underestimated.

Psychological and psychiatric care will become the first line of treatment for all gender dysphoric youth <18.

  • A substantial focus is placed on gender exploration that does not privilege any given outcome (desistance or persistence).
  • The presence of psychiatric diagnoses will lead to prolonged evaluation to ensure that these conditions are under control and that gender transition does not do more harm than good.”

The diagnosis of ASD (autism spectrum disorder) will necessitate additional evaluation.

  • The well-known lack of adherence to gender norms among ASD individuals could lead them to misattribute their experience to being “transgender” and inappropriately transition.
  • The guidelines also posit that some youth on the autism spectrum who are suffering from gender dysphoria may not come across as genuinely suffering because they take little care to present in ways consistent with the gender they identify with.

Access to hormonal interventions for youth <18 will be tightly restricted.  The goal is to administer these interventions in research settings only, and to restrict eligibility criteria to mirror those in the “Dutch protocol.

  • The key prerequisite for hormonal treatment of youth is the prepubertal onset of gender dysphoria that is long-lasting (5 year minimum is mentioned), persists into adolescence and causes clear suffering.
  • Some exceptions apply. Puberty blockade can be offered in extreme circumstances to those with post-pubertal onset of gender dysphoria, especially for biologically male patients. However, it does not appear that cross-sex hormones can be offered to the <18 youth with no childhood history of gender dysphoria.

Social transition may be recommended to some youths.  Social transition may be recommended at the latter stage of assessments.

Most youth will receive psychotherapeutic care in their home regions.  Gender-affirming interventions will be provided at few highly specialized centers and in the context of research.

  • Home regions will need to develop competence in managing gender dysphoria with psychological and psychotherapeutic interventions.
  • Centers offering “gender-affirming” interventions will be centralized, and their number reduced.

Treatment eligibility will be based on the criterion of “distress,” and not “identity.”

  • “The DSM diagnosis of “gender dysphoria” will be a prerequisite for eligibility for “gender-affirming” hormonal interventions.”
  • “The presence of a transgender identity that is not causing distress or functional impairments is not sufficient.”
  • “At the current time, youth who identify as nonbinary will not be eligible for hormonal interventions even in research settings. Future updates to these guidelines will address appropriate treatments for this patient population.

Clear and concise.

That is basically where France is on this subject, and where Great Britain is quickly headed.  Finland has been there since 2020.

In the United States, by contrast, we see the medical establishment continuing to promote an “affirmation-only” model of treating childhood gender dysphoria while suppressing internal dissension and debate in their professional societies.

In the United States, even long-time advocates of gender transition call the medical practices by many physicians “sloppy,” “dangerous,” and “hasty.”

A flood of referrals to mental health providers and gender medical clinics, combined with a political climate that sees the treatment of each individual patient as a litmus test of social tolerance, is spurring many providers into sloppy, dangerous care. Often from a place of genuine concern, they are hastily dispensing medicine or recommending medical doctors prescribe it — without following the strict guidelines that govern this treatment.

Seemingly proving the point, the University of Virginia Children’s Hospital, under external criticism, only very recently assigned psychologists to its transgender youth clinic, where previously parents and children had been greeted by endocrinologists.

For adolescents with gender incongruence, the Swedish national health system deems that the risks of puberty suppressing treatment with GnRH-analogues and gender-affirming hormonal treatment currently outweigh the possible benefits, and that the treatments should be offered only in exceptional cases.

Perhaps Virginia hospitals offering that risky and poorly understood treatment will explain to Virginians, as represented by Secretary of Health and Human Resources, why they do not adopt the Swedish standard. Or maybe they will accept it.

If not, I recommend he convene a public debate on that very topic.

I also recommend a video by Dr. Elizabeth Grossman, M.D., a New York clinical child and adolescent psychiatrist.

In it she offers a relaxed, highly informative and plain-English discussion of the medical errors, including a discounting of basic human biology and the role of puberty in human development, contained in the treatment of adolescents for gender incongruence with puberty blockers and cross-gender hormones.

Invite Dr. Grossman and pediatrician Dr. Julia Mason, who co-authored the WSJ article on suppression of such debate, to debate the leaders of the UVa and VCU clinics that have routinely provided the treatments to minors.

Televise it.

It would draw a national audience.

And maybe even provide some clarity.


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73 responses to “Time for a Public Debate among Medical Experts on Treatment of Gender Incongruent Minors”

  1. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    Doctors who perform these operations should be jailed and lose their medical lic. Parents who do this crap are guilty of child abuse. Politicians who advocate this crap need to tarred and feathered and ridden out on a rail starting with that idiot Guzman.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Would it not, though, be interesting to watch them stand up and try to dispute the Swedish policy against other physicians who support it?

  2. Progressives and the LGBTQ community consistently rank Sweden as one of the most progressive and LGBTQ-friendly countries in the world.

    If they have enacted severe restrictions on the use of hormonal interventions for gender dysphoric youth then the rest of the world should probably take a close and careful look at their reasons for doing so.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I count it pretty LGBTQ friendly not to change their lives forever at 9 years old.

      1. So do I.

        Perhaps we have a different definition of LGBTQ-friendly than does the LGBTQ community.

        Although I must admit I have been surprised at the number of gay/lesbian people I know who oppose the use of sex-hormones and puberty-blockers on children and adolescents.

        1. For examples of feminists who oppose the transgender movement as being harmful to girls and women, see Kara Dansky, The Abolition of Sex (Bombardier Books, 2021) and Janice G. Raymond, Doublethink: A Feminist Challenge to Transgenderism (Spinfex Press, 2021).

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Gender dysphoria?
      https://www.pilotonline.com/resizer/AL7Dn1zOKvJUOj58rnt7fJX_MZo=/400×0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/D2MJCFCTORF7NDBZJ5V5IUHX2A.jpg

      Maybe dysmorphic.

      1. Who is that?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          The inspiration for Little Lord Font Leroy. However, it was either MacArthur or Churchill whose mother dressed them as girls.

          1. It was MacArthur. His mother was a real piece of work, as they say.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            All of the WWII leaders were mama’s boys

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Excellent change of direction.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    In the 1970s a NOLA gay bar caught fire killing some 30 patrons. Families didn’t claim the bodies. This blog would have been perfect then.

    1. Seriously? I have not seen any comments here wishing for, advocating, or celebrating the death of homosexuals. I must have either missed them or thought them so over-the-top that I paid no attention to them.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        No one wished their death. They just didn’t acknowledge them.

        1. I was only 8 or 9 years old at the time, but I apologize for not acknowledging it.

          😉

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The stigma.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Change of direction 2. You should sell your services to one of the Arabella funds. Oh? I didn’t know. Excuse me.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Wider view.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          longer view also – how Conservatives reacted to the idea that homosexuality was real and needed to be recognized and accommodated rather than outlawed and condemned.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            If only if it were simple. Even x and y are not the sole determinate.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            somehow, we have got to the point where even some Conservatives NOW accept the idea that homosexuality is not a mortal sin that needs “conversion therapy”. Progress….

  4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    This has to be the first time one of BR’s conservative contributors has sided with countries that have national health systems. Maybe there is some hope out there.

    I tend to agree with the Swedish recommendations–changes with such long lasting consequences should be approached cautiously.

    Now, how do we reconcile the author’s and commenter James Kiser’s position that puberty blockers and hormones should be banned for juveniles with the current governor’s mantra that parents know what is best for their children?

    By the way, I appreciate the idea and idalism behind your suggestion for a televised debate. However, I cannot imagine that it would draw much of an audience beyond people who are already committed to one side or the other. After all, who wants to watch a debate between experts on gender transformation by kids when there is a college or pro football game on every night, along with the latest exploits of the Kardashians?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      We don’t have to reconcile any positions but our own, Dick.

    2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      “I tend to agree with the Swedish recommendations–changes with such long lasting consequences should be approached cautiously.”

      Me too.

      It strikes me that this situation is somewhat similar to that where a parent doesn’t want his/her child subjected to a particular medical procedure or treatment. For example, a member of the Jehovah’s Witness religion refusing a blood transfusion for the child based on religious belief. I understand that hospitals often take the matter to court but don’t always win, most especially when the child agrees and is in her/his teens. In that case, however, the child might not reach adulthood and be able to change her/his mind.

      I would think that most hospitals would bring a request for puberty blockers/hormone treatment to their attorneys, and that the lawyers would want to know a lot of facts. But even then, can a parent’s consent shield the hospital from future liability when the child objects or, more likely, doesn’t fully understand the long-term consequences of the treatment?

      Going in the opposite direction, is it safe for the hospital to start treatment in the face of parental opposition, based on the consent of a minor without going to court? Plaintiffs’ lawyers don’t care about the proper decision, but are ready to sue those with deep pockets, hospitals and malpractice insurance companies.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        I cannot imagine that physicians in Virginia would start such treatments without parental consent. Each state has its own laws, but Virginia law does not absolve physicians from getting parental consent in this set of circumstances. See https://www.heritage.org/gender/report/puberty-blockers-cross-sex-hormones-and-youth-suicide for different laws in different states.

      2. How would a hospital begin treatment without parental consent? I took at peek at my insurance coverage and it also requires parental consent for those under 18 (and won’t cover surgery for minors at all).

        I suppose if the child showed extreme behavior that was obviously traced to dysphoria the parents could be overridden, but that would require a drawn-out legal fight.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Depends on the state, Rosie. Check out recent developments in California law.

          1. I am only reading that CA would provide medical transitioning to out-of-state families and not cooperate with other state governments who had outlawed such. I don’t see anything about removing requirements for parental consent.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            SB 107 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB107 signed last month allows California courts to take “temporary emergency jurisdiction” over out-of-state minors if they are seeking transgender drugs, surgery, or mental healthcare.

  5. LesGabriel Avatar
    LesGabriel

    I was surprised that there was no discussion in the Swedish Standards regarding surgery. Almost 10,000 such “gender-reassignment” surgeries are done each year in the U.S., so we know Virginia must have its share. There is even an organization WPATH that supports transgender surgeons.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Transgender surgery is illegal in Sweden until the person reaches 18. The hormone transition rules are about minors.

  6. LarrytheG Avatar

    In this country, whether someone has a given procedure or not is often determined by whether or their insurance will reimburse or not.

    Insurance companies, in general, tend to not reimburse experimental or even fringe procedures especially if they are costly.

    So makes me wonder who is paying for these procedures and if insurance is reimbursing for them.

    That’s would be a blog article worth reading.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      But without comment is a comment.

      1. Or is it?

        😉

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Perhaps it is the boundary that defines the absence of comment.

  7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    So much for Conservatives supposedly trusting parents to do what is right for their children… (btw, we knew it was a lie all along)…

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Nice try at deflection. But utterly irrelevant as usual, Eric. This article suggests a public debate by experts on both sides of the issue over medical evidence to give parents both sides of the available information. Are you opposed to that?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        My comment was spot on. You ask to debate whether there should be strict governmental controls on the treatments for trans youth. Why, if parents are to supposedly to be trusted in all decisions regarding their children would you wish to discuss such a topic?… unless you actually believe that (at least some) parents can’t be trusted… as I said, we already knew the truth of the matter…

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        My comment was spot on. You ask to debate whether there should be strict governmental controls on the treatments for trans youth. Why, if parents are to supposedly to be trusted in all decisions regarding their children would you wish to discuss such a topic?… unless you actually believe that (at least some) parents can’t be trusted… as I said, we already knew the truth of the matter…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Well in conservo-world, they’re to be “trusted” as long as it’s a winning political stance and rejected when it can’t be tolerated.

        2. DJRippert Avatar

          Because the debate would help inform parents of differing medical opinions?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            If it were objective and not biased….

        3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Actually, I asked them to debate the science behind the Swedish rules. The only thing such a debate would have to do with parents is informing them.

          But then, I certainly do want state regulation here.

          We already have government rules that prohibit parents from maiming their children in all sorts of ways. We send parents to jail who violate those laws.

          The debate I have suggested would be among medical professionals over the medical evidence for and against these procedures in minors. It would inform other medical professionals, parents and lawmakers.

          But there is no debate that the outcome is thorough and permanent disfigurement and disablement (sterilization).

          I want these procedures banned for minors. Clearly you do not. That is what our personal debate is about.

          Would it not be useful for both of us to hear the debate that I have suggested in the article? Maybe we would learn something.

          I certainly would learn something watching the endocrinologists from UVa and VCU children’s hospitals defend their work.

      3. Sherlock, if the evidence shows that transitioning is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, helpful to trans youth, would you support laws such as Guzman’s that consider it abuse to withhold such treatment from children?

        It’s hard to take your claims of evidence seriously as you overly scrutinize studies that refute your obvious biases while being very lax with studies that support them (such as Littman’s, which was so biased and flawed in its methodology it got taken down, dismissed by you as “wokeness”).

        This is not to accuse the Swedish decision of anything. It reads as overly cautious, but without specifics on what exceptions permit medical intervention for minors it’s hard to make a judgement one way or the other.

  8. LarrytheG Avatar

    There’s a bit of a problem with your reference:

    ” The Society For Evidence-Based Gender Medicine (SEGM) is an activist non-profit organisation and group that opposes standard medical care for gender dysphoria. The group has been accused of spreading misinformation about gender dysphoria and gender-affirming care. It is not recognized as a scientific organization.[1][2][3][4][5]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Evidence-Based_Gender_Medicine

    So what you’re providing seems to be their summary rather than a word-for-word translation of the Swedish report.

    Should we trust this organization to be a neutral 3rd party?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      No authority, including the Swedish government, has challenged the translation.

      My own Swedish is rusty.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Have not affirmed it either.

        Don’t you think a journalist should disclose the fact that that the authors of the “recommendations” are not objective 3rd party on the issue?

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Dear God. You go down more rabbit holes than Bugs Bunny. Disclosure is providing a link to the original. Which I did. Which is how you found it. Now it is your job to find an alternate translation. Have fun.

          1. DJRippert Avatar

            “You go down more rabbit holes than Bugs Bunny.”

            Now, that’s funny!

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            disclosure that your referenced source is not an truly objective source – like most reputable publications WOULD disclose , Dear GOD!

            usually goes something like: “according to the xxx which is opposed to transgender… they say…this….

            I noticed you actually DID change part of your narrative that explicitly identified the organization and did not make note of it.

            Why did you remove their name?

            If WaPo or Mercury did what you did , Conservatives would be in an uproar and say that it “proves” they misrepresent issues!

            This yet another reason why folks like VPAP do NOT consider BR a reputable and trustworthy “news” publication bit rather less than truly objective commentary.

          3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            It is a translation, Larry, not commentary. Keep looking for another translation that is different. Get back to us when you find it.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            It’s a translation by a not objective organization that has not been disclosed as such.

            Hardly an “objective’ debate on the merits that I would expect from legitimate journalism – you know – the kind that VPAP likes…

          5. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            That apparently means you are still looking for another translation.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            Nope. I think you have a responsibility to actually write what you say you are when you claim you are “informing” a debate by using a biased source that you do not disclose. Not good but typical behavior for some conservatives and BR these days.

            You know, you actually could honestly admit it.

  9. Moderate Avatar

    Great idea. Whole issue is very under- and mis-understood.
    Having a friend who ultimately got treatment to match his identity which did not match the assigned birth gender, and having seen him have a good life in the 40+ years since then, I may view things differently than someone without that experience. He was miserable in the “wrong” identity and I understood that even as a teen.

  10. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    There is no need for a debate. It is wrong. The way to “treat” it is to take away the doctors’ licenses. Mengele-esque.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I’d suggest the Conservatives pass laws to that effect and then see how elections go.

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        Probably pretty well. The normals who want to live life without being screwed with by the so-called smart people will go “Finally!”
        There are 2 sexes. Scientific fact for you, Mr. SCIENCE! The human design for perpetuation of the species is a sperm cell from a MALE impregnates an egg from a FEMALE, and the impregnated clump of cells begins dividing, all by itself, billions of times, into all XX or XY cells. See, I didn’t even have to argue God for this (but the design inference is pretty strong, don’t you think? I mean the female body with the eggs, the ability to give birth, to feed…incredible! You go girls!)

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Like I said. Pass laws that do that and then see if subsequent elections back up that idea with most people.

          Right?

          Didn’t we go through something like this with homosexuality, maybe still are?

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Read your second sentence. Pass laws, not edicts from Ivy League lawyers. Make your argument to the public. Leftists have to cheat, to lie, to suppress discussion because their ideas are losers. It is possible to be civil with homosexuals, to like them, to agree with them about very many things, and to disapprove of homosexual behavior. For the sake of society, maybe the old way was better, all things considered. Now suppress that thought because a fair reflection might find it true.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Oh I don’t think we got to a better place with homosexuals through conservatives.

            right?

            We want to represent the wishes of voters, right.

            So put it to voters and both sides can and should present their arguments as well as point out any supposed lies and misrepresentations which I have to tell you Walter is pretty widespread with Conservatives on these issues IMO, much more so than “liberals” who tend to be sympathetic and supportive of homosexuality, transgender, same sex marriage, etc.

            I just don’t see Conservatives in the forefront of these issues but rather suppressive.

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – it is a waste of time to argue with you. Put your issues on the ballot and argue for them. These things are not, on balance, a social good. Tolerance is one thing. Promotion another.
            “Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.”

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            I’m not opposed to the current approach Walter so I don’t need them on the ballot.

            You guys will have to “run” on what you believe and see if others agree with you and if so, change the laws to represent what you want.

            As much as some of us don’t naturally identify with homosexuals, transgender, etc, we do acknowledge the legitimacy of their beings and the right to equal protection of the law. We also understand that there are many others who just reject them and want to punish them for daring to not be “normal”.

      2. DJRippert Avatar

        Already happened. McAuliffe lost the governor’s election when he said (during a debate) that parents shouldn’t be telling the schools what to teach.

        If that caused a backlash, what do you think will happen when schools are permitted to hide transsexuality of children from their parents.

        I’m afraid it’s you liberals who are in the lunatic fringe on this one.

        Sweden apparently agrees.

        As for this November … it’s the economy, stupid.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          No, pass the laws and see if that what voters want.

          You know like they are in places like Kansas and Texas.

          Conservatives like to demonize and get away with it. When they actually do the laws, more folks pay attention.

          If Conservatives actually knew how to do good economic things, the UK would still have their just-resigned leader who was advocating supply side tax cuts.

          Ask the GOP what their approach to the economy is…. mostly crickets…

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      There is always room for informed debate, Walter. Would you not want to watch the debate I have proposed?

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        I’d watch it. Maybe. I don’t think the proponents of child mutilation can make the case, but, I should know how they frame their lies…

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy,.”

    There is more to human sexuality than is dreamt of in your bedroom, Sherlock.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Nancy, I have been waiting for you to go there. It is not the first time.

      I will respond by personalizing an article published in the French newspaper L’Express on September 20, 2021, in which more than 50 signatories, professionals all, expressed grave concerns about how gender ideology is influencing gender-questioning children and leading to their medicalization.

      “You do not wish to discuss how we got here. You wish to end debate by insulting those who react.

      This phenomenon, the “transgender child,” is in reality a contemporary deceit that must be vigorously denounced because it is due to ideological indoctrination. Some would like us to believe that in the name of the well-being and freedom of each person, a child, freed from the oversight of his “reactionary” parents, would be able to “choose” his so-called gendered identity.

      But children are beings in construction, constantly changing before they reach maturity. Neuroscientists, developmentalists, psychoanalysts, child psychiatrists, pediatricians, and all specialists in early childhood are unanimous on this subject.

      Children, and even more so teenagers, are now under the influence of a set of beliefs that lead to mental destabilization, a rupture with the family if it does not support the child (and a criminalization of that family in California law), and with all those who refuse to share this point of view.

      This ideological grip generates an anti-social and accusatory rhetoric, a specific language, or even a newspeak imposed on everyone around them. The language of these young people is often scripted as if they had lost all critical thinking (which is a characteristic of this grip).

      I utterly denounce this abduction of childhood.

      It is now urgent to inform the greatest number of citizens, of all professions, of all allegiances, of all ages, about what could be tomorrow one of the greatest health and ethical scandals that we could have watched happen without saying a word: the commodification of children’s bodies. (Thus my suggestion of public debate.)

      Because by persuading these children that they have been “assigned” a sex at birth, and that they can freely change it, we make them lifelong patients: lifelong consumers of hormonal chemicals marketed by pharmaceutical companies, recurrent consumers of more and more surgeries in the pursuit of the chimerical dream of a fantasy body.

      Currently, countries that were in favor of medical transition before the age of majority now prohibit hormonal treatments for minors (Finland, Sweden,France, the United Kingdom, and some American states).

      This dogmatism causes great confusion, so that no one knows how to act and speak up, often for fear of certain LGBTQI+ associations. But this acronym covers very different people, some of whom are worried like me about the current trend. Some of them are subjected to the law of silence that reigns in this environment.

      Confusion reigns, largely maintained for the purpose of manipulating people in the most profound way: their evolution, their temporality, their wanderings, and their doubts.

      In the name of rejecting the alleged assignment of sex, we are in the process of assigning identity without understanding anything. Thus young girls, formerly considered tomboys, are presented today as transgender. One could laugh about it if it were not symptomatic of our time that is influenced by radical politics which preempt any debate.

      No, in the name of the protection of children I won’t remain silent.

      I refuse that, under the guise of “human rights,” some challenge the foundations of humanity without response.

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      James C. Sherlock

      Nancy, I have been waiting for you to go there. It is not the first time.

      I will respond by personalizing an article https://genspect.org/france-says-non-to-gender-ideology/ published in the French newspaper L’Express on September 20, 2021, in which more than 50 signatories, professionals all, expressed grave concerns about how gender ideology is influencing gender-questioning children and leading to their medicalization.

      “You do not wish to discuss how we got here. You wish to end debate by insulting those who react.

      This phenomenon, the “transgender child,” is in reality a contemporary deceit that must be vigorously denounced because it is due to ideological indoctrination. Some would like us to believe that in the name of the well-being and freedom of each person, a child, freed from the oversight of his “reactionary” parents, would be able to “choose” his so-called gendered identity.

      But children are beings in construction, constantly changing before they reach maturity. Neuroscientists, developmentalists, psychoanalysts, child psychiatrists, pediatricians, and all specialists in early childhood are unanimous on this subject.

      Children, and even more so teenagers, are now under the influence of a set of beliefs that lead to mental destabilization, a rupture with the family if it does not support the child (and a criminalization of that family in California law), and with all those who refuse to share this point of view.

      This ideological grip generates an anti-social and accusatory rhetoric, a specific language, or even a newspeak imposed on everyone around them. The language of these young people is often scripted as if they had lost all critical thinking (which is a characteristic of this grip).

      I utterly denounce this abduction of childhood.

      It is now urgent to inform the greatest number of citizens, of all professions, of all allegiances, of all ages, about what could be tomorrow one of the greatest health and ethical scandals that we could have watched happen without saying a word: the commodification of children’s bodies. (Thus my suggestion of public debate.)

      Because by persuading these children that they have been “assigned” a sex at birth, and that they can freely change it, we make them lifelong patients: lifelong consumers of hormonal chemicals marketed by pharmaceutical companies, recurrent consumers of more and more surgeries in the pursuit of the chimerical dream of a fantasy body.

      Currently, countries that were in favor of medical transition before the age of majority now prohibit hormonal treatments for minors (Finland, Sweden,France, the United Kingdom, and some American states).

      This dogmatism causes great confusion, so that no one knows how to act and speak up, often for fear of certain LGBTQI+ associations. But this acronym covers very different people, some of whom are worried like me about the current trend. Some of them are subjected to the law of silence that reigns in this environment.

      Confusion reigns, largely maintained for the purpose of manipulating people in the most profound way: their evolution, their temporality, their wanderings, and their doubts.

      In the name of rejecting the alleged assignment of sex, we are in the process of assigning identity without understanding anything. Thus young girls, formerly considered tomboys, are presented today as transgender. One could laugh about it if it were not symptomatic of our time that is influenced by radical politics which preempt any debate.

      No, in the name of the protection of children I won’t remain silent.

      I refuse that, under the guise of “human rights,” some challenge the foundations of humanity without response.”

      So thanks, Nancy, for being such a perfect progressive stereotype. I really didn’t have to change a word.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Overcrowded rats exhibit a broad range of sexual behavior as well.

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