Time to Double Fines for Littering

Credit: Onthecommons.org

by Robin Beres

It isn’t often that a Virginia legislator files a bill calling for increased fines that one is tempted to stand up and cheer for, but a recent piece of legislation submitted by Del. James Edmunds, (R-Halifax), is pretty close.

Edmunds’ bill, HB 1801, calls for increasing the minimum fine for “dumping or disposing of litter, trash, or other unsightly matter on public or private property,” from $250 to $500. (The maximum fine of $2,500 would remain the same.) The bill would also require litterers to perform 40 hours of community service, four times as much the current mandatory minimum of 10 hours.

Edmunds, who has long been a participant in the Virginia Department of Transportation’s Adopt-A-Highway program, says he has seen an increase in litter. His theory is that since restaurants have been closed during the pandemic, more people are ordering food to go and eating in their vehicles. When done, many are simply tossing the empty containers out car windows. Virginia roads have become eyesores.

“The roads are the worst I’ve ever seen them,” Edmunds recently told The Virginia Star. “The status quo is not doing any good. This bill will hopefully bring attention to a terrible problem.”

The Halifax Republican is right — and he isn’t the only one who has noticed a sizeable uptick in the amount of litter on the ground. Bikers, hikers, and regular users of the Virginia Capital Trail have also observed more trash along the route. Discarded water bottles, candy bar wrappers, and other refuse can be spotted almost anywhere along the 51-mile path that runs from Richmond to Jamestown.

In fact, anyone who spends time enjoying the great outdoors — and more Virginians than ever have been doing that since the pandemic began — has probably noticed significantly increased amounts of litter. Since the lockdowns began last March, the number of visitors to both state and national parks have exploded. And sadly, it seems that many of those new nature lovers are unfamiliar with the concept of leaving behind only your footprints and taking only photographs.

“I just can’t imagine having a mindset that I’m just going to throw out my trash on somebody’s place and just dirty up the roads,” Edmunds said during a General Assembly committee meeting last month. “It’s just a lack of respect.” He is right.

And while Edmunds’ observations about food containers being a big part of the growing litter problem is correct, there is one other item that appears to be an even faster growing element of casually discarded trash — the common, disposable, 3-ply face mask.

Almost everywhere one looks today — sidewalks, parking lots, pristine mountain pathways, and even sandy ocean shores — those offensive blue masks can be spotted lying on the ground in various states of decomposition.

Helen Lowman, CEO of Keep America Beautiful, warned last summer that she had noticed an uptick in personal protective equipment (PPE) litter since March. “The face of litter has changed,” she said recently. And Lowman says PPE trash is “exceptionally bad.” She is right. Many of those discarded masks have been used to contain the spread of coronavirus. Some of them could be crawling with germs. To define them as potential biohazards is no overstatement.

On Feb. 3, the House of Delegates passed HB 1801 in a 67-31 vote split almost perfectly between party lines, with both bipartisan support and bipartisan opposition. The bill is now awaiting Senate approval.

In 1901, naturalist John Muir wrote, “Our Forests and National Parks.” In it, he noted that “Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wildness is a necessity; and that mountain parks and reservations are useful not only as fountains of timber and irrigating rivers, but as fountains of life.”

Here’s hoping Edmunds’ bill will encourage everyone to do their part in keeping the great outdoors as pristine today as they were in Muir’s time.


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63 responses to “Time to Double Fines for Littering”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    I agree about the fast food trash… and I like the idea of MANY hours of trash cleanup even better than the $500 fine.

    I walk in a Battle Field Park and they do not have trash containers and no trash pickup or clean up and since the pandemic began, many more people in the park and not horrible but still trash that needs to be picked up and the most obnoxious of the trash is not the fast food but doggie poo. Instead of letting their doggies go off trail to poop, the do it on trail, and scoop it up into a plastic bag and guess what they do with that plastic bag of doggie poo? Yep, they leave it on the side of the road or in the parking lot on the curb.

    It has to be picked up but the park service does not do it so volunteers have to.

    I can never figure people out sometimes.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar

    I agree about the fast food trash… and I like the idea of MANY hours of trash cleanup even better than the $500 fine.

    I walk in a Battle Field Park and they do not have trash containers and no trash pickup or clean up and since the pandemic began, many more people in the park and not horrible but still trash that needs to be picked up and the most obnoxious of the trash is not the fast food but doggie poo. Instead of letting their doggies go off trail to poop, the do it on trail, and scoop it up into a plastic bag and guess what they do with that plastic bag of doggie poo? Yep, they leave it on the side of the road or in the parking lot on the curb.

    It has to be picked up but the park service does not do it so volunteers have to.

    I can never figure people out sometimes.

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    James Edmunds represents my home county. I don’t know him, but I knew his grandfather and went to school with a lot of his older relatives. I commend him for his efforts to keep the roads of Halifax County clean. (My in-laws used to do what he now does: go up and down the road along their property, picking up trash.)

    But, before I stand and cheer for this bill, I have a question. How many people are being stopped and fined for littering now? If the possibility of a $250 fine is not very real, then increasing it to $500 is not going to make any difference.

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      Oh, I think it will help somewhat.

      Why not go the way of SC and make it $1000 minimum?

      And, it should include extra $s for cigarette butts.

    2. idiocracy Avatar

      If the “Arrest/Ticket Search” on Fairfax Underground is any indication, Fairfax County might write as many as 25 tickets for littering…per year.

    3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      When I was in high school, my passenger threw a paper cup out of the window and we were pulled by a VB cop who made Skip walk back and pick it up.

      But, in defense of Virginia, we are spotless in comparison to Texas. One of the guys I worked with in Dallas bought a house in a new neighborhood. There weren’t many houses on the street and it was constantly covered in beer bottles.

      He and one of his neighbors put up a target. It kept the bottles concentrated in one spot.

  4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    James Edmunds represents my home county. I don’t know him, but I knew his grandfather and went to school with a lot of his older relatives. I commend him for his efforts to keep the roads of Halifax County clean. (My in-laws used to do what he now does: go up and down the road along their property, picking up trash.)

    But, before I stand and cheer for this bill, I have a question. How many people are being stopped and fined for littering now? If the possibility of a $250 fine is not very real, then increasing it to $500 is not going to make any difference.

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      Oh, I think it will help somewhat.

      Why not go the way of SC and make it $1000 minimum?

      And, it should include extra $s for cigarette butts.

    2. idiocracy Avatar

      If the “Arrest/Ticket Search” on Fairfax Underground is any indication, Fairfax County might write as many as 25 tickets for littering…per year.

    3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      When I was in high school, my passenger threw a paper cup out of the window and we were pulled by a VB cop who made Skip walk back and pick it up.

      But, in defense of Virginia, we are spotless in comparison to Texas. One of the guys I worked with in Dallas bought a house in a new neighborhood. There weren’t many houses on the street and it was constantly covered in beer bottles.

      He and one of his neighbors put up a target. It kept the bottles concentrated in one spot.

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    probably no such thing as arrest for driving while littering… 😉

  6. LarrytheG Avatar

    probably no such thing as arrest for driving while littering… 😉

  7. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Littering is not good. Dumping is even worse. One thing I noticed on the miles and miles of backroads on Blue Mountain was the dumping. Trash bags, refrigerators, washing machines, tires, you name it. There should be a significant fine for dumping to discourage the practice.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yep, it’s the scourge of rural counties that can’t or won’t provide facilities to collect that stuff ….

      Western Va and WVA – where the gullies and hollows are – are often full of appliances, tires, and dead cars.

      not unusual at all in some Western Virginia rivers:

      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z1mgwRVn3xs/UWJP0PrKhgI/AAAAAAAAEB0/JZjxoUAxAMU/s1600/1335937268_799e252294_b.jpg

      1. idiocracy Avatar

        It also happens in Fairfax County. Furniture (I’ve seen tables, couches, TV sets, mattresses, etc) is routinely dumped on the side of Sunrise Valley Drive right near Frying Pan Rd. What’s the excuse for that??

        Slobs are slobs, no matter where they live.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Some folks can’t be trained no matter where they live.

          Those folks are one of the reasons HOAs exist also.

          1. idiocracy Avatar

            I once lived in a place where the HOA had to hire someone to clean the trash out of the parking lot. As I recall they cleaned it up weekly.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            That probably was okay cuz it was ya’ll doing it , eh?

            My father in law lives in a gated community… We could never live
            there… even on our best days.

          3. idiocracy Avatar

            No, it was not OK. Not with me, anyway. It is one of several reasons I no longer live in that place.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            kidding…. 😉 we live on a state-maintained road with larger lots and the main problem is scum parking there at night… fast food, beer cans, and condoms…

          5. idiocracy Avatar

            Many cities/towns in other states prohibit overnight parking unless you get a permit from the police. Maybe they’re on to something.

        2. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          I know exactly where you are talking about. Good news. That stretch of Frying Pan is about to turn into million dollar condos. They have just broken ground on the project. Up until 2004 it was the last cattle farm in western Fairfax.

  8. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Littering is not good. Dumping is even worse. One thing I noticed on the miles and miles of backroads on Blue Mountain was the dumping. Trash bags, refrigerators, washing machines, tires, you name it. There should be a significant fine for dumping to discourage the practice.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yep, it’s the scourge of rural counties that can’t or won’t provide facilities to collect that stuff ….

      Western Va and WVA – where the gullies and hollows are – are often full of appliances, tires, and dead cars.

      not unusual at all in some Western Virginia rivers:

      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z1mgwRVn3xs/UWJP0PrKhgI/AAAAAAAAEB0/JZjxoUAxAMU/s1600/1335937268_799e252294_b.jpg

      1. idiocracy Avatar

        It also happens in Fairfax County. Furniture (I’ve seen tables, couches, TV sets, mattresses, etc) is routinely dumped on the side of Sunrise Valley Drive right near Frying Pan Rd. What’s the excuse for that??

        Slobs are slobs, no matter where they live.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Some folks can’t be trained no matter where they live.

          Those folks are one of the reasons HOAs exist also.

        2. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          I know exactly where you are talking about. Good news. That stretch of Frying Pan is about to turn into million dollar condos. They have just broken ground on the project. Up until 2004 it was the last cattle farm in western Fairfax.

  9. I live along a relatively busy highway which happens to be about a 15-20 minute drive south from several fast food restaurants.

    15-20 minutes must be the average time it takes for the average a$$hole to finish the meal they purchased at the drive thru and to need to dispose of the remnants. Every week I clean up an amazing amount of Burger King and McDonalds garbage from the ditch line along the road in front of my property, so I am particularly sensitive to littering.

    I’m in favor of a $1,00 fine AND 40-80 hours of road clean-up for those who throw garbage o our road sides.

    1. idiocracy Avatar

      No beer cans? Around here we get beer cans and bottles in addition to the fast-food trash.

      1. Oh, there are plenty of beer cans, but hey seem to be evenly distributed along the road. However, I and a few of my neighbors on either side of me get more than our fair share of fast food garbage. I’m pretty sure it’s due to the drive time between the restaurants and our section of the highway.

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          One of my neighbors was cleaning the trash out of the ditch and found a Chik-fil-a bag with the receipt, which had the name of the customer on it…

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      $2 deposit on cans and bottles would help. Virginians would never defenestrate Thomas Jefferson.

      1. idiocracy Avatar

        Even a 10 cent deposit would help.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Wouldn’t have to raise the minimum wage.

  10. I live along a relatively busy highway which happens to be about a 15-20 minute drive south from several fast food restaurants.

    15-20 minutes must be the average time it takes for the average a$$hole to finish the meal they purchased at the drive thru and to need to dispose of the remnants. Every week I clean up an amazing amount of Burger King and McDonalds garbage from the ditch line along the road in front of my property, so I am particularly sensitive to littering.

    I’m in favor of a $1,00 fine AND 40-80 hours of road clean-up for those who throw garbage o our road sides.

    1. idiocracy Avatar

      No beer cans? Around here we get beer cans and bottles in addition to the fast-food trash.

      1. Oh, there are plenty of beer cans, but hey seem to be evenly distributed along the road. However, I and a few of my neighbors on either side of me get more than our fair share of fast food garbage. I’m pretty sure it’s due to the drive time between the restaurants and our section of the highway.

        1. idiocracy Avatar

          One of my neighbors was cleaning the trash out of the ditch and found a Chik-fil-a bag with the receipt, which had the name of the customer on it…

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      $2 deposit on cans and bottles would help. Virginians would never defenestrate Thomas Jefferson.

      1. idiocracy Avatar

        Even a 10 cent deposit would help.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Wouldn’t have to raise the minimum wage.

  11. I detest UK law enforcement’s increasingly heavy-handed efforts to enforce lockdown restrictions and “online harms” laws, but I do like their efforts to publicize the faces and names of those who commit public nuisance violations. Some abstract fine for flicking cigarette butts out of windows isn’t nearly as effective as plastering John Smith’s mug over social media and local channels.

  12. I detest UK law enforcement’s increasingly heavy-handed efforts to enforce lockdown restrictions and “online harms” laws, but I do like their efforts to publicize the faces and names of those who commit public nuisance violations. Some abstract fine for flicking cigarette butts out of windows isn’t nearly as effective as plastering John Smith’s mug over social media and local channels.

  13. I’m sure that someone will object to Edmunds’ bill on the grounds that a $500 fine is excessively harsh on the poor. That’s the beauty of the community service requirement — especially if the community service consists of picking up trash along roads and highways. That strikes me as poetic justice.

  14. I’m sure that someone will object to Edmunds’ bill on the grounds that a $500 fine is excessively harsh on the poor. That’s the beauty of the community service requirement — especially if the community service consists of picking up trash along roads and highways. That strikes me as poetic justice.

  15. Sorry, Robin. But this bill is simply virtue signaling. Period. Nobody enforces the littering law. Hell, they’re not enforcing the law against guys going 95 on Chippenham Pkway. What makes anybody think this will be effective? What makes anybody think that the world will know or care about it? The people who litter don’t follow the news or don’t understand the language, or both. What makes anyone think the courts will be able to collect a $500 fine from the above-mentioned folks? They can’t even collect a speeding fine and costs for $160 from the above-mentioned folks. And then their licenses get revoked, they have to pay $180 reinstatement fee if they ever see their way to actually paying the fine. This is insanity. Now, on the other hand, if you can actually have them do 100 hours of community service and treat it like they do in Drug Court as a jailable offense when they don’t show up, I’m on board. That will get someone’s attention when it happens in that community. It will only take one weekend in jail to fix that problem. Hell, one day will do it. Broken windows.

    This is just plain stupidity

    1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      I agree completely, this is virtue signaling and stupid. If you want to crack down on littering do so…. they never have here in RVA.
      I was also under the impression there was a push to decriminalize poverty. No Jay walking, raise the minimum dollar amount on felony theft, decriminalize public urination, no tail lights, inspections and plates can be months past overdue.. etc. But now they expect cops to pull people for littering and give a double the fine? Or confront them on the streets over cigatette butts? What cop is looking to do that with today’s scrutiny?
      COME ON MAN!

  16. Sorry, Robin. But this bill is simply virtue signaling. Period. Nobody enforces the littering law. Hell, they’re not enforcing the law against guys going 95 on Chippenham Pkway. What makes anybody think this will be effective? What makes anybody think that the world will know or care about it? The people who litter don’t follow the news or don’t understand the language, or both. What makes anyone think the courts will be able to collect a $500 fine from the above-mentioned folks? They can’t even collect a speeding fine and costs for $160 from the above-mentioned folks. And then their licenses get revoked, they have to pay $180 reinstatement fee if they ever see their way to actually paying the fine. This is insanity. Now, on the other hand, if you can actually have them do 100 hours of community service and treat it like they do in Drug Court as a jailable offense when they don’t show up, I’m on board. That will get someone’s attention when it happens in that community. It will only take one weekend in jail to fix that problem. Hell, one day will do it. Broken windows.

    This is just plain stupidity

    1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      I agree completely, this is virtue signaling and stupid. If you want to crack down on littering do so…. they never have here in RVA.
      I was also under the impression there was a push to decriminalize poverty. No Jay walking, raise the minimum dollar amount on felony theft, decriminalize public urination, no tail lights, inspections and plates can be months past overdue.. etc. But now they expect cops to pull people for littering and give a double the fine? Or confront them on the streets over cigatette butts? What cop is looking to do that with today’s scrutiny?
      COME ON MAN!

  17. Donna Sayegh Avatar
    Donna Sayegh

    You know what? We have the laziest people in the world in our city. Here we have leaves and pine needles in the street gutters, overgrown grass on the sidewalks and people are so lazy he/she can’t get off his/her cell phone, couch or kitchen table and get out and do his/her home work. Go by Planet Fitness. See all the cars and trucks there. We have no farming area in our city for people to do physical work. No indeed. They rather vote to have a casino so he/she can sit down and play a game of win or lose. God save our city and state.

  18. Donna Sayegh Avatar
    Donna Sayegh

    You know what? We have the laziest people in the world in our city. Here we have leaves and pine needles in the street gutters, overgrown grass on the sidewalks and people are so lazy he/she can’t get off his/her cell phone, couch or kitchen table and get out and do his/her home work. Go by Planet Fitness. See all the cars and trucks there. We have no farming area in our city for people to do physical work. No indeed. They rather vote to have a casino so he/she can sit down and play a game of win or lose. God save our city and state.

  19. Remember back in the 60’s there was more of an effort re: TV public service announcements, etc., to stop littering. I agree it seems like we are not really trying to stop litter. From USA liberals perspective, it crime against humanity to manufacture plastics and that industry should be banned in America. We cannot get our head around trying solve a problem , rather than foment hatred. I see the litter along Ox Road by Burke Lake and I wonder if it people littering or trash coming off the trash trucks, because that would be the way to the County waste to energy plant.

    1. idiocracy Avatar

      It’s all they can do to get some people to stop pouring their used motor oil down a storm drain.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Yep. that too… in some places with dirt roads, they still do it.

        One interesting thing. I got involved with a Virginia Tech well-owners program and people might be surprised at all the ways that one’s well can get compromised by what happens above at ground level.

        It sorta seems stupid on one level but too many do not make that connection.

        ” In 60 of Virginia’s 95 counties, the majority of households ” about 1.4 million Virginians ” continue to obtain their domestic water supplies from private wells, using an average of 75 gallons daily per person ”

        https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/bitstream/handle/10919/55265/guide_to_private_wells.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Keeps the grass from growiing on the fence line. Beats a weed-whacker.

          1. idiocracy Avatar

            Gallant uses a weed-whacker to keep the grass from growing on the fence line.

            Goofus pours his used motor oil there.

  20. Remember back in the 60’s there was more of an effort re: TV public service announcements, etc., to stop littering. I agree it seems like we are not really trying to stop litter. From USA liberals perspective, it crime against humanity to manufacture plastics and that industry should be banned in America. We cannot get our head around trying solve a problem , rather than foment hatred. I see the litter along Ox Road by Burke Lake and I wonder if it people littering or trash coming off the trash trucks, because that would be the way to the County waste to energy plant.

    1. idiocracy Avatar

      It’s all they can do to get some people to stop pouring their used motor oil down a storm drain.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Yep. that too… in some places with dirt roads, they still do it.

        One interesting thing. I got involved with a Virginia Tech well-owners program and people might be surprised at all the ways that one’s well can get compromised by what happens above at ground level.

        It sorta seems stupid on one level but too many do not make that connection.

        ” In 60 of Virginia’s 95 counties, the majority of households ” about 1.4 million Virginians ” continue to obtain their domestic water supplies from private wells, using an average of 75 gallons daily per person ”

        https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/bitstream/handle/10919/55265/guide_to_private_wells.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

  21. MatthewN Avatar

    While I despise littering, I feel that yet again the ratcheting up of fines and penalties is not the answer. It will be randomly applied and will become yet another source of revenue for the state. How about making efforts to reduce litter in the first place like returnable bottles, reduced packaging, etc. everything I buy seems over packaged. We should also tax Amazon, McDonald’s and similar high volume litter producers. Believe me this will compel them to cut back. Maybe discourage single serving food items. Most are junk. Finally, require things to be recyclable, especially electronics. Solve the problem!

  22. MatthewN Avatar

    While I despise littering, I feel that yet again the ratcheting up of fines and penalties is not the answer. It will be randomly applied and will become yet another source of revenue for the state. How about making efforts to reduce litter in the first place like returnable bottles, reduced packaging, etc. everything I buy seems over packaged. We should also tax Amazon, McDonald’s and similar high volume litter producers. Believe me this will compel them to cut back. Maybe discourage single serving food items. Most are junk. Finally, require things to be recyclable, especially electronics. Solve the problem!

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