by Bill O’Keefe

After each mass shooting there is an outcry for Congress to do something. In 2021, there were almost 21,000 murders involving guns and almost 700 mass shootings (those involving four or more victims).

There has been no responsible action at the Federal level because Congress seems more interested in political food fights then in taking action that can make a difference. Henry Clay once observed that politics is not about ideology; it’s about governing, and if you can’t compromise you can’t govern. Congress in the existing political environment can only compromise by accident.

The fact that Congress is paralyzed is no reason for states to avoid taking action.  In the last few years, the Virginia General Assembly has passed several gun laws.  These laws, which created a backlash in a number of counties, imposed universal background checks on gun sales, created extreme risk protective orders that allow authorities to temporarily seize guns from people deemed dangerous, required gun owners to report lost or stolen firearms, restored the former one-handgun-a-month law and boosted penalties for leaving guns accessible to children.

While the Virginia laws are a step forward, they are hardly sufficient.  Seven states and the District of Columbia have banned assault weapons, which demonstrates that such laws do not violate the Second Amendment. Virginia should do likewise. Why does anyone need an AR-15 or high capacity magazine like the ones used in Uvalde Texas? There are only a few reasons for owning guns: target practice, hunting, and self-defense.  None of those reasons justify assault style weapons, although the NRA and gun manufacturers try to create a justification.

Automatic weapons have already been banned since 1986. Machine guns have been banned since the 1930s and in 1986 President Reagan signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which made the sale of fully-automatic firearms manufactured before that year illegal. Owning the ones that still exist is legal, just exceptionally difficult and very expensive. Banning these weapons isn’t about infringing rights, it’s about limiting the carnage caused by emotionally disturbed individuals who have easy access to assault weapons.

A few states require firearm registration, which according to many legal scholars does not conflict with the Second Amendment.

A registration requirement could serve several worthwhile purposes. First, it represents an implicit cooling-off period for those who would use a gun as an outlet for their anger or need to retaliate for some perceived injustice. It wouldn’t prevent such shootings but it might reduce them. Second, registration could be made a requirement to purchase ammunition. This is a way to get unregistered firearms into the system.

There is a big debate about shootings and mental health. In the book Gun Violence and Mental Illness, psychiatrists Liza Gold and Robert Simon summarize the evidence challenging the view that mental illness is a leading cause of gun violence. According to them, fewer than 5% of shootings are committed by people with a diagnosable mental illness. They contend that “the link between mental illness and mass shooting exists in our minds, not in reality.” Clearly this conclusion hinges on what is meant by “mentally ill” and the accuracy of diagnostic tools.

According to a recent article in Time, the evidence suggests that most mass shooters are, “people who have reached their breaking point” because something is overwhelming their ability to cope. And mass shooters don’t think that they will get away with their act of violence. Either they take their own lives, law enforcement takes them, or they spend the rest of their lives in prison. Clearly, perpetrators of mass shootings have serious but undiagnosed emotional problems even if the mental health community can’t recognize them.

When someone is at the end-of-life breaking point, he (since all mass shootings are by males) is facing an emotional/mental crisis. Hence, only crisis intervention tools offer hope. But how do we, ex-ante, identify the need for and get the needed help? Spending a lot more money on mental health won’t solve that problem until it is more clearly defined and better intervention strategies are in place, especially since the mental health community denies that mass shooting perpetrators have mental problems.

Steps to limit access to assault rifles and other high capacity weapons, registration, background checks, and related measures represent challenging political actions. But that might be the best that can be done until we have a better system of crisis identification and intervention.

Addressing mass shootings and murders with guns is a problem where the best should not be the enemy of the better. Steps in the right direction will save lives.

William O’Keefe, a Midlothian resident, is founder of Solutions Consulting and former EVP of the American Petroleum Institute.


Share this article



ADVERTISEMENT

(comments below)



ADVERTISEMENT

(comments below)


Comments

121 responses to “Thinking About Gun Control”

  1. VaNavVet Avatar
    VaNavVet

    GOP = guns over people

    1. I think freedom has something to do with it. But the government knows better than we do, ritght? Wrong!

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        And now more than 840 years of legal history holding that the right to own and bear arms is personal. Now, if this right had been divined by a faithless justice who discovered emanations and penumbras, no one would be objecting.

        Go after anyone who violates a gun law (illegal sales, stolen weapons), expand background checks to Internet and gun show sales, pass a red flag law that provides for post-seizure notice and hearing to the individual affected, but respect the ancient rights to own and bear arms.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “Go after anyone who violates a gun law (illegal sales, stolen weapons), expand background checks to Internet and gun show sales, pass a red flag law that provides for post-seizure notice and hearing to the individual affected, but respect the ancient rights to own and bear arms.”

          The problem is the lack of enforcement for the existing gun laws. Everyone wants to pass new laws but they don’t even know what’s on the books.

          1) Internet and gun show sales require background check, elsewise you’re committing a felony.
          2) Red Flag laws are fine as long as they provide an avenue for due process.
          3) Expanding background checks means striking down HIPPA and unsealing violent juvenile records.

          1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            People need to choose. If you want to do a better job of preventing young males with issues from getting guns you need law enforcement to have access to records about those young males. Being woke doesn’t get you across the street. What’s more important?

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            They don’t want to address the problem nor do they want to implement solutions to it.

            Short term, harden schools period. If we can send $40 billions dollars to Ukraine we can harden the 135,000 primary schools nation wide.

            Statistics show that someone will only wait 30 seconds at a door before attempting to find another entrance. The United States has pioneered the world of securing places.

            This is all very simple and all much less impactful than making millions of Americans who are law abiding, criminals.

            Anyone who invokes children as a reason has no business being in the conversation, they are engaging in an appeal to emotion only.

      2. VaNavVet Avatar
        VaNavVet

        I just saw this recently and thought that it was worth a post. Can see where it might ring true for some people based upon the intransigence of so many GOP politicians on this issue.

    2. Anonymous Bosch Avatar
      Anonymous Bosch

      That’s clever, let me try…
      DNC= demonic nazi campers
      This is a fun game!

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        do better! 😉

      2. VaNavVet Avatar
        VaNavVet

        Name calling always appeals to some folks.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          You certainly like it.

  2. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    “Steps to limit access to assault rifles and other high capacity weapons, registration, background checks, and related measures represent challenging political actions. But that might be the best that can be done until we have a better system of crisis identification and intervention.”

    People’s rights don’t end because of criminals. That’s exactly what is going to happen with a temporary anything. Look at Michigan.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Thank you Bill for sharing your thoughts. Much appreciated.

  4. You clearly know nothing about guns. Additionally your source Liza Gold is a proponent of red flag laws…but you are welcome to your opinion of course.

  5. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Henry Clay practiced dueling. There was the 1809 duel with Senator Humphrey Marshall (first cousin of the SC judge). Clay and Marshall had a long running feud over imported broadcloth versus homespun cloth. Insults, a fist fight, and even Clay spitting in Marshall’s face. An insurrection on the floor of the US Senate. The duel took place in Kentucky. 3 shots were agreed to by the contestants. Shot number one. Marshall missed. Clay grazes his opponent’s stomach. Shot number two. Marshall missed again. Clay misfired. Shot number 3. Marshall strikes Clay in the thigh. Clay missed again! Good ole Henry was still game. What a fool. Marshall was a decorated Revolutionary War veteran. Henry wanted two more rounds. Humphrey Marshall declined. The affair of honor was concluded. They were no better than what we have on Capitol Hill today.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9fe39ded4b8508a5c75d59eefa642351f2f501817d480a0bcff0cbdcf7ec573c.jpg

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I appreciate your history lessons.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        indeed, the man IS a teacher!

    2. A book that discusses how the potential for duels over affairs of honor affected Virginia newspapers in the 1800s is Virginius Dabney’s Pistols and Pointed Pens: The Dueling Editors of Old Virginia (Algonquin Books, 1987).

  6. Let’s just outlaw crime. Oh wait.

  7. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    “Seven states and the District of Columbia have banned assault weapons, which demonstrates that such laws do not violate the Second Amendment.”

    I’m not following your reasoning here. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if California, Massachusetts or D.C. passed a law requiring all registered Republicans to get a permit before they commented on blogs. That wouldn’t mean that those laws didn’t violate the First Amendment; that would only mean that those progressive-dominated governments didn’t care if they violated it.

  8. If you want to try to do something about mass shootings (and good luck with that) do it in a way that does not involve the tens of millions of legitimate gun owners. In particular, limiting the number of guns one can buy in a given time requires tracking every single gun purchase by every single person. This is intrusive madness.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      I changed my tune on Virginia’s one hand gun a month law when I saw the change it made in the number of guns Virginia contributed to the illegal traffic in crime guns up and down the east coast. It was dramatic. Virginia went from the top of the list to close to the bottom.

      We will continue to be doing point of purchase background checks from legal stores. Adding the one a month calculation to that check was a trivial addition. It addressed a specific issue, people who were buying multiple hand guns specifically to resell into the illegal crime gun market.

      I’ve got no problem with regs that lower the availability of hand guns to criminals without burdening or depriving lawful people of their rights. Hand guns are about 95% of firearm homicides. The regulation is narrowly targeted at that issue.

      It never occurred to me that I would need even one hand gun a month until the GA told us that was all we could have. If you made that one a year or one a decade, then we would be in infringement territory.

      The only people one hand gun a month appears to have impeded are those who were buying multiple handguns to resell into the illegal crime gun market.

      Most of the talk about “common sense” gun restrictions are a crock, political talking points and disguises for abridgement. This one seemed to me to be the rare exception to the rule. It was narrowly focused and actually accomplished a very specific and quantifiable good.

      1. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Concealed carry holders are exempt from that. FYI.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          They also tend to be a law abiding bunch. I doubt many, if any, of them are feeding the crime gun market with multiple purchases.

        2. WayneS Avatar

          Concealed carry holders are exempt from that.

          Not as of July 1, 2020. We were exempt under the previous law, but as far as I know the new one offers no exemption to permit holders.

      2. James Kiser Avatar
        James Kiser

        I think you hit the nail on the head with that comment.

      3. WayneS Avatar

        The only people one hand gun a month appears to have impeded are those who were buying multiple handguns to resell into the illegal crime gun market.

        …and people who might want a matched pair of SA Revolvers w/sequential serial numbers for their collection or for Cowboy Action Shooting matches.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Don’t those come under the heading of “curios and relics”?

          1. WayneS Avatar

            Despite the fact that their technology has not changed in more than 120 years, newly manufactured single action revolvers are not classified as curios/relics.

  9. I like Bill O, but his list of reasons to have guns does not include that they are fun to own, hold and shoot. Guns are great. Policy needs to understand this.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Machine guns are fun to shoot. Some people think driving 100 mph along the Interstate is fun. Some people enjoy going to dog fights and cock fights. Does that mean that the legislature should make these activities legal?

    2. William O'Keefe Avatar
      William O’Keefe

      David, I have a gun and have no problem with people owning them. Comments to the contrary does not mean that restrictions violate the Second Amendment.
      We need a serious discussion to reduce the over 20,000 murders and 700 mass shootings. Throwing up our hands is not responsible.
      My point in this blog was to promote a dialogue but a number of the comments have nothing to do with murders and massacres.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        When you use pejorative terms like “assault weapons” you shut off dialogue and preclude rational discussion.

        Either you do not really want to have a dialogue or you are so ill informed that there is no point dialoguing with you.

        1. William O'Keefe Avatar
          William O’Keefe

          Here is the Wikipedia definition–
          The term assault weapon is used in the United States to define various types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine, a pistol grip, and sometimes other features, such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor, or barrel shroud.[1][2] Certain firearms are specified by name in some laws that restrict assault weapons.[3] When the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban was passed in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice said, “In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use.”[3] The commonly used definitions of assault weapons are under frequent debate, and have changed over time.

          And, yes I have no interest in trying a dialogue with you.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “And, yes I have no interest in trying a dialogue with you.”

            You have no interest in dialoguing with anyone, you don’t even know what is contained in the laws you attempted to quote.

            You’re no more intelligent than a politician spouting talking points, worse you have the information at your finger tips and you point to an open source domain that isn’t even acceptable for college papers.

            The 1994 AWB did nothing to curb violence. The 1994 made semi-auto’s firearms with cosmetic features illegal to produce and or purchase form 1994 forward. All existing were grandfathered and still allowed to sale, trade and or ownership.

            This is basic information that would’ve required you 30’s seconds to Google and you didn’t even put that effort in

            #APAC

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Your definition is garbage. The misuse of the term Wikipedia cites is the essence of the problem.

            Your use of the term “assault weapon” is intentionally pejorative and designed to be emotionally loaded on full auto. It is deployed to preclude dialogue.

            It is clear that you have no interest in a dialogue with anyone who does not agree with you, Your intent is to emotionally bludgeon not discuss.

            Fortunately for the country and Constitution you and your ilk are not likely to stampede our legislatures with your hysteria.

            Have a nice day.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            He doesn’t even know what is contained in the text of the 1934 NFA, the 1968 GCA, the 1986 COPA or the 1994 AWB.

            Honestly, they are only interested in invoking emotional appeals to pass legislation despite legislation already existing.

            If your answer is more Government, you’re part of the problem and it doesn’t matter which party you subscribe.

          4. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O’Keefe

            It’s unfortunate you feel that way as the term has been used in legislation, NRA comments, and widely by the media.

          5. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “William O’Keefe Lefty665 • an hour ago
            It’s unfortunate you feel that way as the term has been used in legislation, NRA comments, and widely by the media.”

            The NRA isn’t even the largest firearms advocacy group, that is a talking point.

            Gun Owners of America is the group that advocates for legislation, the NRA just makes money for itself.

            Again, items you could glean if you had bothered to even do a modicum of research.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            It is “unfortunate” that I object to the misuse of a term by politicians, media and advocates like you to prevent honest discussion? That is bizarre.

            Again, you want to keep people from working together to solve problems. You want to bludgeon those who disagree with you by precipitating hysteria.

            That is both despicable and guarantees future tragedies,

            It is “unfortunate” you are actively working to ensure more children are killed instead of identifying the very small number of people with severe mental illness and preventing them from committing suicide while taking innocents with them. That is an achievable goal.

            Instead you want to strip Constitutional rights from 10s of millions of honest citizens. That is so “unfortunate” it could even qualify as sedition.

          7. James Kiser Avatar
            James Kiser

            nope wikipedia is the last place to find serious info. A correct source would be the actual law and military definitions.

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        You shouldn’t have a firearm, you’re unqualified to own and or operate it.

      3. James Kiser Avatar
        James Kiser

        When you use bald face lies like 700 shootings then you prove you have nothing to offer about the issue.

  10. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    ATTENTION: The apologists for these weapons that have the capability to discharge a lot of lethal rounds in a very short time, thereby killing or wounding a lot of people in just a few minutes object to the term “assault weapons”. They seem to rely on technical definitions as to what constitutes an assault weapon or not. I am pretty sure that every participant on this blog knows what is meant by “assault weapon”. However, in order to avoid the quibbling over what constitutes an assault weapon, which I find to be a distraction from the main issue, I suggest we use the term suggested by Lefty665 in response to my question: semi-auto rifles. (Of course, some will probably quibble with that term, as well.)

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “ATTENTION: The apologists for these weapons that have the capability to discharge a lot of lethal rounds in a very short time, thereby killing or wounding a lot of people in just a few minutes object to the term “assault weapons”

      When you start comments off like that you’re of no use and are not willing to engage in intelligent or meaningful conversation. You’ve shown an utter lack of knowledge of the topic and even when corrected you continue to produce the same tried gun grabber BS.

      Assault is an action not adjective. Any weapon can be used to a “assault” someone.

      All rounds fired from firearms have the capability to be lethal, it’s called physics.

      Your continued emotional appeals are of no use and anyone using an emotional appeal has no business impacting the Constitutional rights of others. You don’t care about the children in Uvalde you’re using their memories to further an agenda and that makes you a 4 letter word, to which I’d love to use but can’t.

      1. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O’Keefe

        Your comments show that you cannot engage in honest discussion; only insults and character attacks. Matt, you have a problem. And, having said that I won’t be responding to any more of your polemics.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “William O’Keefe Matt Adams • 2 minutes ago
          Your comments show that you cannot engage in honest discussion; only insults and character attacks. Matt, you have a problem. And, having said that I won’t be responding to any more of your polemics.”

          Engage in honest discussion? That would require you to open a f’n Google Page and type in 1934 NFA, the 1968 GCA and the 1986 FOPA. In which you would find that any and all of your statements are wildly off base and frankly not researched at all. You don’t even understand the current Laws, yet are advocating to pass new ones.

          You have zero idea of what a character attack is considering you just used one against me. You’re worthless f’ and unless it has to do with Petroleum you should zip your trap.

          Signed a US Army Infantry Officer.

          1. YellowstoneBound1948 Avatar
            YellowstoneBound1948

            Matt, I was a Regular Army Armor officer. Mostly 81st Abn and 4th Inf Div. Commissioned 52 years ago!

    2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      Dick -that’s one of the problems. No one has adequately described what an “assault weapon” is in terms of function. There are plenty of morons who describe it by looks. Change a feature or two and, bingo, it’s not an assault rifle.

      Using the definition as being a semi-automatic, that doesn’t work either. It’s my understanding that the semi-automatic rifle first hit the market in the 1880s, when developed by Austrian Mannlicher. U.S versions came shortly thereafter. Are we talking about banning these antique arms? If not, why not? And if so, isn’t that overkill?

      So, I’m quibbling, but for good reason. My hope is that a few Senators will spend the time to move beyond the superficialities, recognize that there is a personal right to own and bear arms and to come up with a few sensible and factually supported constitutional regulations.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        They don’t seem to have much trouble with a specific description of what constitutes an automatic weapon and essentially making it far more restrictive to buy.

        Why not add to that law, a specific definition for assault rifles?

        If they can successfully do it for auto why not assault rifles?

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        From now on, when I refer to an “assault weapon” I am referring to any weapon that meets the definition of “semiautomatic assault weapon” in this pending federal legislation: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/736/text

        That should clarify matters.

        As you well know, no constitutional right is absolute.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          It’s a nebulous definition based upon cosmetic characteristics that have zero impact on the function of the Firearm.

          Oh and Diane Feinstein is a mentally diminished POS.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Now now, don’t be so unkind. We could all end up soft in the head geezers one day. But, unlike so many others we won’t be in office screwing things up for everyone else.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I recently saw an interview with a former staffer of hers, who indicated they preferred the mentally diminished version of her over some new.

            If that doesn’t tell you all you need to know nothing will.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Yeah, makes her even easier to manipulate. Too bad Jimmy Henson is not still around. He could make a Diane Fine Stein muppet and beer mug.

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            That would be grand. I have utter disdain for most of not all politicians. They don’t care about anything but retaining the power they have. This is evident by how much money they are willing to spend just for primaries alone

            If you likes podcasts and fowl mouthed individuals, I suggest taking a listen / watch to Drinking Bros Podcast.

        2. vicnicholls Avatar
          vicnicholls

          So African Americans are liable to be declared non humans? Remember the 14th?

          1. YellowstoneBound1948 Avatar
            YellowstoneBound1948

            And then there is the poll tax. The nation’s voters have an absolute right not to pay one.

        3. vicnicholls Avatar
          vicnicholls

          You’re still confused. Written by people who keep guns for themselves but not the peons, for power purposes only. Not gun people who know what they’re talking about.

        4. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Long ago S. I. Hayakawa (Senator, English Professor and President of San Fransisco State University) wrote a book called “Symbol, Status and Personality”. In it he described how we confuse things with what we call them.

          When you choose to call things “assault weapons” you have made your decision about what the gun is. There is no way to have a rational discussion once you have done that.

          If you want to have a rational discussion about how to fix some of the profound issues we face I encourage you to back off of the emotionally loaded language. But, if what you want instead is an emotional meal that accomplishes little or nothing, then you are on the right track.

          Feinstein made that decision when she named her bill. In it she repeats the same cosmetic errors that were made in the ’94 bill by outlawing things like threaded barrels and pistol grips. She specifically bans a long list of gun models but curiously exempts others like Ruger ranch rifles and mini-14s that function exactly like the list of banned guns. They are semi automatic rifles that accept large capacity magazines. Cognitive dissonance prevails, but it does not have to rule unless you embrace it..

        5. Donald Smith Avatar
          Donald Smith

          “As you well know, no constitutional right is absolute.”

          That’s a pretty cavalier attitude toward the Bill of Rights—and a common attitude among today’s Democrats. People are starting to notice…

        6. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          A couple of points. I’ve read the definitions in the Bill. I’m not an engineer but they seemed a bit superficial such that I wonder whether manufacturers couldn’t design around the definitions. They certainly did with the last statute. Of course, Congress’ prime goal is to signal its virtue. I think that it would be more sensible to spend the time seeing what engineers and gunsmiths think about the definitions. Do they cover everything that Congress intends to cover and not cover what should not be covered?

          I can easily see a court voiding a statute because the definitions of what is covered are both under-and over-inclusive. After all, we are dealing with a personal constitutional right.

          Two, I read where Bill Maher, no righty, cut the Hollywood folks a new one because of its role in glorifying gun violence while demanding gun control. If words matter, so do pictures, video and sounds. And I bet they expect to continue to have access to armed bodyguards.

          Three, it’s my understanding that, under the 1986 federal legislation, certain guns are exempt from regulations if they are curios or relics, that is, 50 years old or older and in the original configuration. Doesn’t that grandfather any semi-automatic firearm that was made in June 1972 or older?

    3. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      I am pretty sure that every participant on this blog knows what is meant by “assault weapon”.

      Yes, and that is the problem. The issue is only secondarily one of technical definition, it is primarily that the term is intentionally emotionally loaded and designed to be pejorative. Its use prevents rational discussion and keeps people of good will from working together to find solutions to very real problems.

      From my prior post: “A book worth reading is “The Violence Project” https://www.theviolenceproj
      The authors examined mass shootings going back to the 1960s. What they found is that America’s mass shooters, especially by kids and in schools, are really suicides.”

      Dealing with mental health issues that are arguably getting worse in America today rather than crusading emotionally about assault weapons seems more constructive to me. It is also a finite issue involving helping a small number of very sick people rather than infringing on the Constitutional rights of 10s of millions of law abiding citizens.

      Regards

    4. Donald Smith Avatar
      Donald Smith

      “I am pretty sure that every participant on this blog knows what is meant by ‘assault weapon’”. Don’t be so sure. A Springfield musket with a bayonet is a hell of an assault weapon.

  11. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    Assault weapons have been illegal since the National Firearms Act of 1934. They have not been legal in the lifetimes of 95% of Americans. Anyone who uses “assault weapons” language is either profoundly ignorant or dishonest and does not have an opinion worth engaging.

    We need a rational discussion of how to reduce gun violence. Using language that so debases the discussion that there is no opportunity to reason together prevents that from happening.

  12. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    “Assault weapons” have been illegal since the National Firearms act of 1934. They have not been legal during the lifetimes of 95% of Americans alive today. Anyone who uses that term is either so profoundly ignorant or knowingly wrong that they do not have an opinion worth engaging.

    America needs a rational dialogue to figure out how to reduce gun violence. Pejorative language effectively prevents that from happening. That is shameful and a national disgrace.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      What would you call the weapons used in the Uvalde school and Boston grocery store shootings?

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Rifles, semi automatic self loading. Informally, semi auto rifles.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Penis extenders. A ranch rifle is the same weapon, but doesn’t present the, oh shall we say, manhood.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Or vehicles for suicide, see my comment not far below on “The Violence Project”.

            Funny that ranch rifles are specifically exempted from Feinstein’s proposed “assault weapons” ban legislation. Bill Ruger must have been a big campaign contributor. Guess they’re not obscene looking enough extenders.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Ah the good old Mini-14, same thing as an AR just not black or plastic. You can even buy those fancy std 30 round mags with it.

          3. We all know that those who want to make semi-auto rifles/carbines illegal are racists… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8663168b642d5b982f5b91476171b8d17b23e5329ace4aac16a7b3b6fc2fbdb8.jpg

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            There is a good definition of an “assault rifle”… “any gun that is routinely used by men as a phallic symbol and replacement for their own inadequate masculinity.” That would pretty much do it…

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I often wonder how many of assault rifle owners sit in front of their TVs dry firing their “guns”… .

          6. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Eric the half a troll Nancy Naive • 15 minutes ago • edited
            There is a good definition of an “assault rifle”… “any gun that is routinely used by men as a phallic symbol and replacement for their own inadequate masculinity.” That would pretty much do it…”

            Make up your mind if you going to block me or if you’re going to unblock to down-vote. It’s rather childish, but than again you’re childish.

            Also you seem inordinately obsessed with other men’s members and you seem to like to use that as a slur. So that would also indicate your care for the LGBTQ+ community is false, but everyone already knew that. You’re a poser and a sycophant.

          7. James Kiser Avatar
            James Kiser

            She and Eric the whatever seem to have a thing about penis envy

          8. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            NN is a 70+ year old male.

          9. James Kiser Avatar
            James Kiser

            well that explains the penis envy. Maybe he,she ,it should try Viagra and quit thinking about what everyone else has.

          10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            There is a good definition of an “assault rifle”… “any gun that is routinely used by men as a phallic symbol and replacement for their own inadequate masculinity.” That would pretty much do it…

          11. WayneS Avatar

            It is the same rifle. Almost exactly the same rifle. Which is why the anti-gun crowd call it an “assault rifle”.

          12. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The 30-30 carbine is an assault rifle, circa 1945. Anything capable of laying out 30 rounds in 15 seconds makes battlefield assault possible. But then, there’s the “it looks so cool”….

          13. Yet no nation-state issues semi-automatic rifles as a standard infantry weapon

          14. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Well, manual reload saves ammunition. There was a video on the nightly news in 1968 of a Marine standing behind a wall, M-16 over his head to clear the top of the wall, full-auto unloading magazine after magazine. 1000 Bat Cats would have had the same effect.

      2. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Semi automatic rifle/pistol, as I’m not sure what the ammo was. AR15’s can be PISTOL or RIFLE. SBR or not, again I’m not sure on barrel length.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      They aren’t illegal, you just can’t produce or purchase new ones. The ’34 NFA just made you register and pay Uncle Sugar a Tax.

      It’s been established that the author is profoundly ignorant and incapable to even the littlest research.

      Don’t worry he’s “hunted” for 70 years, even though he makes statements that indicate he should be no where near a firearm.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Yeah, you’re right.

        The point I was making was that nobody has been able to just walk into a store and walk out with an actual “assault weapon” in living memory.

        The grandfathered ones that are around are so highly regulated that they are almost never involved in crime. In addition to the tax stamp there are significant regulations including finger printing and allowing ATF to inspect the gun and storage at its pleasure without a warrant.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Correct and none of those individuals who keep writing articles or commenting even do any research before they opine. They are ina word worthless and just parroting talking points.

  13. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    A book worth reading is “The Violence Project” https://www.theviolenceproject.org/ The authors examined mass shootings going back to the 1960s. What they found is that America’s mass shooters, especially by kids and in schools, are really suicides. That is in addition to the approaching 2/3 of gun deaths every year that are direct individual suicides and nearly 1/4 that are drug/gang homicides.

    That puts a different perspective on what the issue is and what could be productive ways to deal with it.

  14. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “(since all mass shootings are by males)”

    The new adage should be “Guns don’t kill people, MEN kill people.”

    The best way to stop gun violence wouldn’t be to ban gun, it would be to ban men from owning guns. It is a root cause thing!!

    1. WayneS Avatar

      So don’t own one.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        I don’t…. my masculinity is secure enough without it…

        1. WayneS Avatar

          Good for you.

  15. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    I would like more info on what is meant by “Seven states and the District of Columbia have banned assault weapons”. I thought even NJ and Ca and NY, you can buy an AR-15. Who exactly are those 7 states, and what guns have those states banned? AR-15 and equivalents?

    Also local Virginia localities can enforce tougher rules. Fairfax recently banned guns in County public spaces such as parks, which includes the woods behind my house. They even posted signs at the parks: No Firearms. But I saw a guy with a rifle in his backpack on the public path, and called it in to the non-emergency number, I was told we have open carry in Virginia. So not everyone is on board yet with the new regs, it seems.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      You in fact can purchase an AR platform rifle in every single one of those states that the author said you couldn’t.

      If there are laws the define items that need to be added the manufacture adds or subtracts those items and sells the rifle.

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Yes I see Maryland has a “ban” but you can get do cash-and -carry (immediate purchase) as long as the AR-15 has the HBAR (heavier) barrel. Interesting video on Maryland requirements for purchase…good luck on hand guns, but rifles easy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIrTWw8QCCQ

  16. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    At least we can tell who knows guns and who knows the talking points of poop.

  17. In this political climate, Bill’s message is ‘whistling in the wind.’ But I like that simile because the wind helps the whistling in one direction, stifles it in the other.

    Which way is the wind blowing? Urbanization and education and, I submit, common sense are all on the side of clamping down on assault rifle sales and background checks and mandatory safety training and age and storage restrictions, etc. etc. — and removing the insane federal manufacterer’s liability shield — all of which will eventually occur; but how long will it take, how many children will die (or carry the scars of watching a classmate’s heads disappear in a bloody cloud) before any of that happens? Receiving secondary education inside a fortified building is not “freedom” for these kids or their parents.

    The gun lobby, the hunting lobby, could back reasonable restrictions now, but evidently they will resist until the entire NRA-militant-macho ethos craters under a far more comprehensive, even oppressive, political reaction. The way things are going that over-reaction is inevitable, and likely to be unnecessarily messy in some parts of the country.

    And all for what? I hunt doves in season, but with a single-barrel 20 ga. shotgun, not an assault rifle with a 20-cartridge gun clip. Who really benefits from gun-show loopholes and open-carry laws and arming school guards and teachers, and the like, besides, temporarily, the gun manufacturers themselves?

    1. vicnicholls Avatar
      vicnicholls

      What is a gun clip? I have never EVER heard of it called a clip unless someone didn’t know what they were talking about. 20 gauge? Why not use a 410?

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        You know, it’s the thing you use to speed load a magazine:)

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          We affectionately called those stripper clips 🙂

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Oh, I thought those were the things that held the ends of G strings on pole dancers. 🙂

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “And all for what? I hunt doves in season, but with a single-barrel 20 ga. shotgun, not an assault rifle with a 20-cartridge gun clip. Who benefits from gun-show loopholes and open-carry laws and arming school guards and teachers, and the like, besides, temporarily, the gun manufacturers themselves?”

      There is no such thing as a gun show loophole. IOT complete a transaction at a gun show, one must use an FFL dealer that is Federal Law (which means a background check). Nor is there a cartridge clip, using statements like that means you shouldn’t be near a firearm, because you don’t even respect it enough to understand its terminology.

      You’re also using dead children to further an agenda, which means you’re the lowest form of life.

    3. WayneS Avatar

      …and removing the insane federal manufacterer’s liability shield…

      Please explain how the “insane manufacturer’s (sic) liability shield” works, and what, specifically, about it makes it “insane”.

  18. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    “While the Virginia laws are a step forward, they are hardly sufficient. Seven states and the District of Columbia have banned assault weapons, which demonstrates that such laws do not violate the Second Amendment. Virginia should do likewise. Why does anyone need an AR-15 or high capacity magazine like the ones used in Uvalde Texas? There are only a few reasons for owning guns: target practice, hunting, and self-defense. None of those reasons justify assault style weapons, although the NRA and gun manufacturers try to create a justification.

    Automatic weapons have already been banned since 1986. Machine guns have been banned since the 1930s and in 1986 President Reagan signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which made the sale of fully-automatic firearms manufactured before that year illegal. Owning the ones that still exist is legal, just exceptionally difficult and very expensive. Banning these weapons isn’t about infringing rights, it’s about limiting the carnage caused by emotionally disturbed individuals who have easy access to assault weapons.”

    The ’94 AWB didn’t do anything to curb violence. An AR-15 is a semi-auto firearm that can be chambered in anything from 22LR to 7.62 mm. A 30 round magazine is standard capacity and what the firearm is shipped with, it’s not high-cap. Nor does making an arbitrary magazine capacity do anything to curb violence. The NRA isn’t even the biggest gun lobby, you f’ just don’t know any better. You’re using tired talking points to push an agenda.

    Select-Fire (fully automatic) weapons haven’t been banned, they have been prohibited from production and sale if produced after 1986, you can’t even get the laws correct. You can own and operate a select-fire weapon that was manufactured prior to 1986. You can also sell that firearm to someone else provided the transaction takes places through an FFL and the ATF tax year tax stamp is paid it and it’s registered. Furthermore, the 1934 NFA did the following:

    1) Require Registration of your Select-Fire Weapon
    2) Instituted a transfer Tax
    3) Instituted an special tax that occurs yearly
    4) Defined what constitutes an SBR
    5) Defined that a sawed off shotgun’s were illegal
    6) Defined suppressors and made them a Class III item.
    7) Defined what constitutes a destructive device
    8) Coined the term “machine gun”

    You also missed the 1968 GCA.

    These items that you can’t even get correct are public knowledge and show an utter lack of research when you write on the topic with such glaring mistakes.

    Unless you’re willing to put the effort into understand a topic and refrain from parroting talking points, you shouldn’t write a f’ article.

    PS: The firearm in your stock photo is illegal, its serial number isn’t there.

  19. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    So there were 19 or 20 officers in the school corridor and they did nothing. Nope not giving it up and I will decide what I need.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Dunno how those guys can live with themselves.

      Hat’s off to the Mom who after she got out of the cuffs the cops put on her went in and got her kids.

  20. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Nothing will change. No percentage in it. Republicans won’t lose a single vote for blocking even the most innocuous measures no matter how popular, nor would they gain one vote if they cooperate. Inertia is a cruel master.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      The reverse holds for the Dems too, It’s a sad state of affairs we’ve reached today, One of my kids periodically asks me “Dad why did you boomers f* things up so bad?” My only response is “You whippersnappers ain’t doing very well so far either”. Sigh.

  21. Anonymous Bosch Avatar
    Anonymous Bosch

    “7 States did something, therefore it’s constitutional…”
    Yeah, OK…next up.

  22. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    It would be a lot easier to contemplate federal restrictions on gun ownership, if the people had more trust in the federal government. But a lot of things have happened in the past few years to undermine popular trust in the federal government. An armed citizenry is the ultimate check on a governing power.

    I’ll stipulate that many of the proposed reforms wouldn’t prevent people from owning firearms. (E.g., a one-handgun-a-month purchase limit). But, I expect that many of the government agencies implementing these new regulations would, shall we say, “overstep the limits” of their authority. For example, they’ll implement an overly-broad interpretation of what a “semi-automatic rifle” or “high-capacity magazine” is. Or, they’ll charge lots of people with violations of the new regulations, and force those people to spend LOTS of time and money to defend themselves and clear their names. I.e., they’ll use the new processes to punish people they don’t like.

    Now, if more Americans had more trust in their federal government, people might be more inclined to go along with stricter gun regulations. But, for the past few years, the federal agencies have behaved as if they don’t care what the public thinks.

  23. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    Your whole argument and article is basically one large screech written by Bloomberg. You prove my point with your BS statement that there were 700 “mass” shootings in 2021- wrong there 51. Which is a far cry from the figure you made up out of thin air.

  24. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    A bipartisan group in the Senate today has announced:

    “The framework, the result of talks led by Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Republican Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), includes some reforms on access to firearms and cracking down on illegal sales, along with funding for mental health and school security, and measures meant to protect victims of domestic violence.”

    Amazingly they have done it without resorting to hysterical screams about “assault weapons” despite the efforts of the original poster here to poison the well of reason.

    “I want to thank Senator Chris Murphy and the members of his bipartisan group — especially Senators Cornyn, Sinema, and Tillis — for their tireless work to produce this proposal,” President Joe Biden said in a statement.

    Still no hysterical ranting about “assault weapons”. Whod’a thunk it?

  25. WayneS Avatar

    You want rational discussion, so please do me the favor of explaining how an AR-15 is more dangerous and deadly than this:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/97eb1eedf3a9f70d2a964b76a50aea63595813800d166d431b601597a722f8e0.jpg

    The Remington Woodsmaster came new with a 4-round detachable box magazine, but extended magazines were/are available for it.

    My own Woodsmaster is chambered in .30-06.

    Here is a ballistic comparison of the .223 Remington to the .30-06 Springfield:

    .223 Remington
    Bullet Weight (gr) = 50
    Muzzle Vel fps) = 3,140
    Muzzle Energy (ft-lbs) = 1,094
    Vel @ 100 yds = 2,744
    Energy @ 100 yds = 836

    .30-06 Springfield
    Bullet Weight (gr) = 150
    Muzzle Vel fps) = 2,910
    Muzzle Energy (ft-lbs) = 2,820
    Vel @ 100 yds = 2,617
    Energy @ 100 yds = 2,281

    You will note that while the .223 has about an 8% higher muzzle velocity than the .30-06, the .30-06 slug weighs in at three times that of the .223, with just under 2.6 times the muzzle energy.

    At 100 yards, the weight of the slugs remains constant and the .223 has a 5% velocity advantage over the .30-06 – but the .30-06 has 3.3 times the energy of the .223.

    Which round do you think will do more damage to flesh and bone?

    Based on rational analysis and real-world ballistics, I posit that “assault weapons” bans are senseless and stupid. They are based on nothing more than a particular weapon’s external appearances, and on physical features which have nothing to do with ballistics nor the actual “deadliness” of a particular weapon.

    I invite you to use rational analysis and facts to convince me I am wrong.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Newton’s Laws always remain true.

      Don’t even ask about the .308.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Newton’s Laws always remain true.

      Don’t even ask about the .308.

    3. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Wow, and for only $139.95. When’s that ad from, the ’60s maybe?

      The 280 Remington in the ad is what the Army based its new 6.8mm on because the 5.56mm is not powerful enough for a modern honest to goodness military assault weapon.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        1961, I think.

        I have no experience with the 280 Remington or 6.8 mm. Based on its diameter, though, I’d guess that a round could be developed that would serve as a good compromise between the .223/5.56, which are small, have little recoil, and are less powerful, but easier for our soldiers to carry in large quantities; and the .30 caliber options, which are larger and bulkier, and are much more powerful, and kick like a mule.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          I can say from experience that carrying a combat load of 7.62 is heavy. A combat load of 5.56 isn’t terrible. I think the weight / recoil impulse of the 6.8 will be problematic for the military.

          We have people who have a hard time qualifying with the 5.56 as it is now. Add a greater recoil impulse and they wont’ qualify ever.

          The 6.8 is a good round obviously, but perhaps it would’ve been better suited as DMR vs standard carry. The SIG platform is a good one from all the thing I heard and read, but there is concern about production ability. If they would’ve adopted the SIG platform in 5.56 (which would’ve provided the benefit of the piston vs gas tube), I think there would’ve been a better outcome.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            My understanding is that they needed higher energy to penetrate modern body armor and to get greater SAW range. You’re right, folks are going to have to learn to deal with recoil again. The SIG itself is no lightweight, it’s several pounds heavier in addition to ammo weight.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            That coupled with the increased weight for the SAW gunner it’s going to be pretty hairy.

Leave a Reply