They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?

by Jim McCarthy

A month ago, a Bacon’s Rebellion column (“Commonwealth Attorney Nullification“) took issue with a national newspaper op-ed in which a Commonwealth’s Attorney pledged he would never prosecute a woman for having an abortion, no matter what Virginia law might say. The BR author suggested that such thinking would lead to anarchy.

The CA’s words are certainly provocative, to be understood as political bombast in his re-election campaign. The words are not a threat of violence and, at the same time, not abstract. Some may choose to characterize them as anarchical. Without more, their dangerous portent will be measured at the polls.

In 1919 the U.S. Supreme Court found in Schenck v US a clear and present danger in the language of protestors against the military draft as a violation of the Espionage Act of 1917. The ruling is best known for Justice Oliver Wendall Holmes’s phrase about “shouting fire in a crowded theatre” was not permitted free speech. The prosecutor’s vow might better be understood as shouting fire in a deserted theatre.

The lower NY court in Schenck had opined that the protesters’ speech was not “the expression of a philosophical abstract.” In lay terms, the court concluded that the protestors meant what they said even though the speech was not accompanied by any overt acts. The polar distances between a crowded and deserted theatre are those populated by the public. The conservative curmudgeonly concern in the Bacon’s Rebellion article — that the prosecutor in question asserted the right to pick and choose the laws he enforced — relied entirely upon the words themselves to arrive at its conclusion.

From the afternoon of January 6, 2021 to the early hours of the next morning, 27% of the members (147) of Congress voted to reject the election results of the elector slates and popular votes of two states, Arizona and Pennsylvania. Respectively, the two presented 11 and 20 electoral votes and 3.3 million and 6.9 million popular votes. The vote to reject would not have been sufficient to reverse the national results. Four (36%) of Virginia’s 11 House members voted to reject the results from the two states.

Since there were two separate votes in each chamber of Congress, it cannot be convincingly asserted that the votes were symbolic or mere philosophical abstracts. The four concluded that an overt act of voting, without effect upon the final result, was superior to their mission in the peaceful transfer of presidential power. One of Virginia’s four issued a statement to this effect:

My oath to this office is to defend the Constitution and faithfully discharge my duties. Regardless of my personal opinion of who I believe is best to lead this country, this is bigger than just this election. This is about upholding the Constitution and ensuring integrity and faith in elections to come. Americans’ concerns deserve to be heard; we must have faith in the electoral process and continue to take steps to ensure fair and free elections.”

A Bearingdrift article (01/09/2021) offered 43 types of things the Congressman might have undertaken to address alleged election fraud instead of voting to reject results.

Was the unsuccessful vote to reject a mere “philosophical abstract” as characterized by the NY court?

Circling back to the shouts of fire in a deserted theatre, there is a Congressional primary candidate campaigning (VA-02) who has doubled down on a prior Twitter post:

Audit all 50 states. Arrest all involved. Try all involved. Convict all involved. Execute all involved.

The statement is unambiguous in its logic to conclude in an overt act. Following the results of the 2016 presidential, complaints from the losing side were fortified by the popular vote results which contradicted the Electoral College victory by 2.9 million. In 2020, the popular vote margin for the winner of the Electoral College was about 7 million. The results from the two states could have been readily accepted without objection. To date, the American public has not been afforded an adequate explanation for rejecting the results in Arizona and Pennsylvania. Admitting only that Biden is President does not vitiate the conspiracy-laden virus about a big steal.

Fifty years after Schenck (Brandenburg v Ohio) SCOTUS narrowed its view to require that the words in the theatre are lawful unless the speech in question is “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

Thus, where the article in BR identified words to reach a conclusion of anarchy, the rejection votes on January 6th more powerfully persuade that an overt act of anarchy occurred, directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action. At a minimum, the naysayers engaged in an act of nullification that portended anarchy.

Traditionally, euthanasia for an injured horse was deemed merciful. In today’s politispheric theatre, mercy is infinitely strained as the public is reliably treated to indifference and disregard by campaign rhetoric, campaigners without boundaries.

Jim McCarthy is a retired New York attorney now living in Virginia.


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24 responses to “They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?”

  1. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Quite the whataboutism article. Comparing a Commonwealth Attorney’s promise not to uphold laws to which he objects (laws that haven’t even been passed yet) vs Congressional objections to the 2020 election.

    Well, in the vein of whataboutism …. there have been quite a few cases of Congresspeople objecting to the results of presidential elections. Here are a few:

    https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/05/past-objections-electoral-college-vote-counts-president-trump-josh-hawley/4129641001/

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Political complaints about Presidential election results are that: complaints especially when the President-elect received fewer popular votes. Congressional votes to nullify the electoral results of two states is a complaint supported by action, more than mere speech. As noted, the VA CA’s words are a promise. The distinction is evident.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        What does one have to do with the other? How do promises from a Virginia CA who has already acted on similar promises in practice have to do with the routine voting against election results by members of the losing party? The question should be obvious.

        Two completely disconnected things.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          You well know that the 147 votes to reject state election results on Jan 6 was not “routine.” As of this moment, the CA has not acted upon his pledge not to prosecute a woman who has an abortion. As you noted, he made a promise. If the Jan 6 votes were routine, then also is the CA’s pledge.

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            It wasn’t routine because the cheating was…
            If it is so preposterous to claim that cheating occurred, then let the people make fools of themselves.
            We spent 40 million and had 2.5 years of RUSSIA! hysteria, which everyone with a brain knew was false, including Bob Mueller and his Dem persecutors, but kept alive long enough to flip the House.
            In the public company world, if you do not cooperate with auditors, you get written up.
            Obviously, there is cheating. How much? Is there an acceptable level? Is it too much to expect the voter rolls to be good? How come Fairfax, one of the richest counties in the US and one of the most technologically advanced always turns in its votes last?
            It’s rare to point to France …but France votes in paper on one day and can declare the victor that night. We can’t?
            Also, Macron calling out Biden over oil…Do you cheaters really want us to believe SlowJoe got 8 million more votes than Barack, who hid his Marxism well and at least had some charm? There are a lot of stupid people in America (the worst are the ones who think they are smart), but not that many!

          2. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Be a bit more careful whom you call a cheater. Incoherent and off-topic screeds do not insulate against response. The cheating surrounding the 2020 election results by the President-unelect overshadows the minimal instances in the millions of popular votes cast. I have no idea where the “lot of stupid people in America” reside but I’m beginning to have suspicions. BTW, a charming Marxist is more attractive than a crotch grabbing grifter in most people’s minds.

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Hmmm…. Who did I call a cheater? I said cheating was routine in the 2020 election. And I asked questions about what is the “acceptable” level of cheating. I’m sick of it. We know it occurs. We can track vax cards and we can spy on all Americans, but we can’t have accurate voter rolls? Give me a break. And if it is so minimal, then why not allow an investigation to go forward? And I’m sure you were appalled at RUSSIA! amirite? Kinda have a feeling you might be a hypocrite…
            We know LBJ won by cheating in 1948 from Robert Caro’s book among others. My favorite was Bill Buckley’s dead grandfather (1905) voting in 1948 and the last 200 votes being in the same ink and alphabetical order and same handwriting. Everybody now acknowledges Kennedy won by theft. So vote fraud is OK when Dems win, and if Pubbies win, it must have been by fraud (even tho Pubbies are too inept at politics to be any good at cheating, unlike the Dems who up it incrementally every election until the State magically flips. I want fair elections. Don’t you?

          4. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Why do Righties even incoherent ones have difficulty reading—even their own diatribes? Quote: “Do you cheaters, etc.”. Now you are rambling about LBJ and JFK. How about a ramble about the plan by the Big Grifter, the President-unelect to steal your vote and my vote. He swindled 4 VA Congressmen to nullify the votes of millions of Americans in two states. Your break in this regard is your keyboard which cannot constrain you from rambling.

          5. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Here is your problem. You think by calling me names you can make me stop. Won’t work. And the reason the Lefties go so crazy with insurrection and all the other craziness is they know there was massive cheating, so they have to stop it in its tracks, and they continue to escalate, like the FBI raiding people who are tied to Trump or Biden doesn’t like, like Project Veritas…all because O’Keefe had the diary of Ashely Biden where she writes about her dad, you know, the demented husk of a man who is currently the President , showering with her and maybe that was the source of her sex addiction…or the Hunter laptop voicemail from Joe to Hunter about Hunter’s business dealings, which Joe swore there were none. Biden is an illegitimate President, besides being the most incompetent ever. You really wanna defend $5 gas? Boy that Orange Man was a menace with a growing economy and low inflation and $2 gas. So glad all you smart people saved our Democracy so you could destroy it acting like the Nazis you accuse Trump of being. It’s called projection. You should seek help for it.

          6. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Sir, you called me a cheater and now a hypocrite. Incoherent references to sex addiction, vac tracking, Hunter laptop do not enlighten the discussion. That maybe the best you can accomplish. You are urged to focus. I’m afraid you are the projectionist tequiring helpful intervention. Perhaps you should have a close friend read to you your rants.

  2. Scott McPhail Avatar
    Scott McPhail

    Pet peeve No. 1 for me (strangely perhaps) – the quote is “The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic”

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      And as some now are discussing, what of the shout which the speaker believed was true? In either case where no panic results, no danger. The votes of 147 Congressfolk were in contemplation of causing a Constitutional panic, I.e., disruption of the transfer of power.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Oooh, Cheney ended with two attempts to tamper. I like it!

        Nice house you have here. Be a shame if anything were to cause it to burn down.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    If they’re not here with their spears, knives and guns to hurt you, then who are they here to hurt?

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    What about throwing toast in a crowded theatre? What if by the scene, you’re supposed to yell, “Fire!” Audience participation.

  5. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    You may wish entertain the notion that the CA in question, the President and some Congress members were each wrong in the cases that you cite. I certainly do.

    All believe in their causes. And all are wrong.

    But using for comparison a CA who merely promised to ignore a law is convenient, I guess, for the premise of your article.

    That appears to be why you chose abortion as the hill on which to fight. Because you could cite an issue on which the CA in question has not yet acted. And certainly an issue that is “ripped from the headlines”.

    You wrote “a Commonwealth’s Attorney pledged he would never prosecute a woman for having an abortion, no matter what Virginia law might say”.

    Well, counselor, I am not familiar with New York law, but which Virginia abortion law https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title18.2/chapter4/article9/ might the CA refuse to prosecute? None of them expose the mother to prosecution.

    But there are progressive CAs in Virginia that proudly ignore laws every day in the service of the critical race theory that originated with Professor Derek Bell on law faculties of Harvard and other major institutions. That theory of law has been extended to all non-white minorities.

    One may agree or disagree with those CAs, but it is pointless to deny what they are doing. They campaigned on that platform and are proud that they are executing their promises.

    It is one thing to change the law, which they are entitled to do. It is quite another to ignore it.

    Meanwhile, the minorities that live in the communities in which those ignored laws are committed are significantly less safe. They are the actual victims of those CAs.

    See. Anarchy does not have a political party.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Anarchy may be politically homeless as you say. It seems fair to conclude that the CA in question May have been anticipating changes to VA law. CAs in VA exercise prosecutorial discretion daily with the approval of judges. Those are laws which they are not entitled to change sua sponte.

      I apologize for making the premise of the article too difficult. But it was not about abortion as you assert. Simply put, it was addressed to the distinction in the use of words alone and those words accompanied by actions by government officials. See? Anarchy does not require a political party.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        The words of the CA you quoted had no basis in Virginia law. So he promised not to prosecute women not liable for prosecution.

        If you think this state will ever pass a law making a pregnant woman criminally liable for having a abortion, you are temporarily lost on the way from New York to Pakistan.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          If you think some VA advocates will not attempt to criminalize the actions of women who have an abortion, I am offering you to buy an iconic bridge in Brooklyn. BTW, that’s in NYC. Also, I never claimed the CA was citing existing VA law as your erroneous comments maintain. Finally, your opinion that VA may never pass such a law is pure guesswork, blog comments to the contrary.

          AND, as I stated, the article was not about abortion to your apparent disappointment and deflection.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You claim your article is not about abortion.

            Yet you lead with a CA’s comment about abortion. And that is your stake in the ground against which you compare the dastardly deeds of mistreats with whom neither you nor I agree.

            So what’s a girl to think?

            I substitute the actions of CAs who ignore existing law to compare them to the actions of then-President Trump and a few members of Congress who did the same.

            And I deplore both.

            You then claimed that:

            “Simply put, it was addressed to the distinction in the use of words alone and those words accompanied by actions by government officials.”

            Yet when I compared actions to actions, you blinked and cried foul.

            If I am join you in the lurch to the theoretical, I’ll see your right wing zealot who wants to criminalize the actions of a woman seeking an abortion and raise you the actions of a left wing zealot who wants to wait until the child is born, make it comfortable and see what the parents want to do with it.

            That physician was our immediate past Governor. Don’t claim he was misquoted, there is audiotape.

            By the way, welcome to Virginia.

            We are more moderate as a group than New Yorkers. We have crazies on both sides that most of us deplore. We don’t have to import them from New York.

            We all write columns we regret. Quit while you are behind.

          2. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Oh, good grief. Last time: the article began with abortion because the prior BR article began there. None of my article advocated for or against abortion, try as you might to twist the content. I never referenced the prior Governor but somehow you read that.

            Whoever you think you are, you don’t IMO know enough about NY to make any comparison. BTW, the Constitution guarantees the right of you and NYers to travel. I have not been trafficked or imported. Your sarcasm is pathetic matching your comments. But you seem immune to regret. Quit while you are ahead.

          3. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            I wish to apologize to blogmates for this intemperate response here below I succumbed to the malicious keyboarder who intentionally and provocatively engaged in personal attack. I compromised my self-esteem and dignity. I’ve learned a lesson about those who are called out

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            More apologia than apology. If you take challenges to your writings as personal attacks, this may not be the blog for you.

          5. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Only when the attacks are, in fact, personal as were yours. Apologia, yes, for my ideas like John Henry Cardinal Newman. I accept challenges to my ideas which you appear unable to reciprocate. The evidence for my view rests upon your deliberate distortion of my words and writings to create your straw objects to criticize. I have observed your tactic across comments from others. Check your rectitude and authoritarianism at the keyboard. Challenges to ideas do not thrive in malicious attacks and distortion. That may be entertainment on a debate stage but fails in serious written discourse. This blog may not be for your tactics. Perhaps you have become a bit hide bound.

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