The Use of Racial Prisms

By Dick Hall-Sizemore

The perception that progressives and the “cultural elite” view  “every public policy issue through a racial prism” has become a favorite whipping boy on this blog. Those raising this objection would prefer that race and ethnicity not be used as criteria for shaping or evaluating public policy.

I, too, am sometimes uncomfortable with the insistence that public policy be evaluated in racial terms. What I am also uncomfortable with is what seems a pretension by some that liberals and progressives have been the first to view policy and society through a “racial prism.”

In the Virginia in which I grew up, that “racial prism” was used to order all of society. Black people could not use the same public restrooms as white people did, nor drink out of the same water fountains. Blacks were not allowed to eat in many restaurants or stay in many hotels and motels. They had to ride on the back of the bus. They were prevented from buying homes in certain areas of town. On my daily trip on a school bus to my relatively large, brick elementary school, I passed the small, wooden, run down building that the Black children attended. Virginia law decreed that it was “unlawful for any white person in this state to marry any save a white person….”  (That was the law until 1967, not that long ago, when the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional.) Only 33 years later, my daughter did not have to worry about running afoul of it when she married a man whose parents had been born in China.)

Society was strictly ordered around race. Black people went to Black doctors; they went to Black churches; they were buried in Black cemeteries or sections of public cemeteries set aside for Blacks.

And they were subjected to violence because of their race. Black people were lynched simply because they were Black. They were beaten for the same reason; Bull Connor set the police dogs on them in Alabama because they were Black. Their churches were burned, not because of their religious teachings, but because the congregations were Black.

I remember all this, so I am certain there are thousands of Black folks in Virginia who lived through it and also remember it. And there are thousands other Black people who are young enough not to have personally experienced it, but have heard the stories from their parents and grandparents.

And this is not ancient history. Race is still being used, in a negative way, to shape public policy and actions. Enough Black people have been stopped and searched by the police on flimsy pretenses that the “offense” of “driving while black” has become a widely recognized phrase that describes something all Black people are keenly aware of. (No one has ever talked about being stopped for “driving while white.”) Does anyone believe that a policeman would have pinned a handcuffed  George Floyd to the ground with a knee on the back of his neck until he died if Floyd had been white?

The Current Occupant of the White House once asked why we had to keep bringing in immigrants from “shithole” countries such as Haiti and countries from Africa rather than from places like Norway. He once publicly called for the reinstatement of the death penalty after five Black and Latino men were accused of raping a jogger in Central Park. As recently as last year, he refused to apologize, although the men had served years in prison for a crime for which they were wrongfully convicted. Now, he has pardoned four white former U.S. contractors who were convicted of massacring 17 civilian Iraqis, including two children, in a pubic square in Baghdad. The use of a “racial prism” at the highest level could not be plainer.

People from Spanish-speaking countries have also been subjected to this “racial prism” through a long history of discrimination. For example, recently, two U.S.-born Latino women were detained by a Border Patrol agent for simply speaking Spanish in a convenience store. And here is how Hal Turner, a New Jersey talk show host, described Hispanics, “These filthy, disease-ridden, two-legged bags of human debris are too stupid to believe. Just think, America, if we bring enough of them here, they can do for America exactly what they did for Mexico! Turn our whole country into a crime-ridden, drug-infested slum.”

The current emphasis on race and ethnicity is not new. In fact, it could be seen as a reaction to the long ugly emphasis on race and ethnicity by white leaders in Virginia and the country that was the norm. Hopefully, there will soon come a time when we will not notice, nor care, how many Black, brown, Asian, or white people there are on a redistricting commission or the President’s Cabinet. I caught a glimpse of that future several years ago when I observed a large black man, who happened to be the Chief Justice of the Virginia Supreme Court, addressing a committee of the Virginia General Assembly. I hope I live to see it come to fruition.


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75 responses to “The Use of Racial Prisms”

  1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Dick –

    Make a historic list of cruelties of

    1. “whites against “whites”,
    2. “blacks” against “blacks,”
    3. “Asians” against “Asians”
    4. “Indians” against Indians,”
    5. “Hispanic” against “Hispanic.”

    Then turn each above group against each of and all of the other groups singly and collectively, and

    Then start yourself making lists of Germans against French, French against Germans and English, English against Irish, Welsh, Scots, and French, and Japanese against Chinese, etc, etc. …

    Then start yourself a list of Protestants against Catholics, Catholics against Huguenots, etc …

    And keep going making lists ad infinitum, and see how self righteous that makes you feel, and what it tells you about us, you included.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      What a dark view of human nature you have.

      1. sherlockj Avatar

        And E pluribus unum gets farther away daily, Dick.

        The new secular religion is, they should excuse the expression, old Testament. They won’t keep the products of their prism – the social constructs of race – from fighting over spoils.

        See the struggle over the new Democratic senator from California. Absent one nation, chaos follows.

    2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      “What a dark view of human nature you have.”

      Yes, Dick, you’ve got it exactly right. Jesus Christ was born this day and later hung on the cross at Calvary to atone for our, including your, sins in this fallen world.

      Quillette’s Clare Lehmann helps us here:

      “… Our contemporary society, with all of its luxurious comforts and technological advancements, does not give us much of a framework for dealing with hardship. Often the moral quest of our society seems to be the avoidance of hardship altogether … And that’s a problem. We are a meaning making species. We crave understanding, and we crave narratives which simplify a chaotic world. This is surely one reason why faddish political ideologies have become so popular in the West. As the influence of organized religion recedes, alternative belief systems have surged to fill the void—from the narratives of oppression young people learn at university, to the wild-eyed theories that their parents find on Facebook.

      What worries me about today’s ideologies is that they are quick to blame human suffering on an out-group, and slow to offer inner peace and restoration. Whether it is blaming one group for systematic oppression, or another group for pulling strings behind the scenes, there is always some group or other to scapegoat in times of trouble. In contrast, if one looks at the ancient wisdom of traditional religions, we see that followers and believers are encouraged to endure pain and suffering, not blame others, and not pretend that it doesn’t exist.

      Saint Augustine taught early Christians that suffering was universal to all humans. In the 16th century, Martin Luther encouraged his followers to empathize directly with Christ in his suffering, imagining the physical pain of crucifixion, and then imagining his forgiving and restorative love.

      It’s not just Christianity which promotes such spiritual practices. Tibetan Buddhists regularly meditate on their own death … the slow decay of one’s own corpse.

      While this may sound grotesque to our modern Western sensibilities, the psychological effects are far from it. The point of such contemplative practices is twofold: First, they promote the radical acceptance of reality by forcing us to look at what we’d rather turn away from. And second, they create gratitude. After sitting and contemplating our own pain and death, our gratitude for being alive is renewed, and we become thankful for the smallest of everyday experiences; watching a leaf falling to the ground, a soft breeze on the skin …”

      For more see:
      https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Claire-Lehmann-s-Christmas-message—the-weekly-roundup.html?soid=1128398123124&aid=Q3ftXq0PvCk

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        And they burned the last victim of the Inquisition in the mid-1800s! Go Jesuits!

        1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
          Reed Fawell 3rd

          “And they burned the last victim of the Inquisition in the mid-1800s! Go Jesuits!’

          Yes, indeed. Surely that proves the fall of human-kind a thousand times over, we, all of us, acting as gods.

  2. John Harvie Avatar
    John Harvie

    My mother, an otherwise proper and righteous woman (English teacher at old Binford JHS and member of G&HT Episcopal Church’s Altar Guild for some 50 years) once when I was a child in the ’30s corrected me for referring to our maid/cook, Frances Stevens as a “lady”. Frances being a “Negro” was only to be referred to as a “woman” since the word “lady” was reserved for whites. Frances’ husband was the personal chauffer for the Thalhimers family.

    The Stevens were a truly fine family but “just not the right color” per my mother.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar

    Congrats to you for tellling it like it is. And I’m sure you’re gonna get feedback!

    Yes… all this happened and I do remember it also BUT – it’s all in the past now … and all this stuff about “equity” and CRT is just gross left wing crappola.

    No one today did anything to black folks so they are not “resposible” and it’s wrong to make them pay for what their daddies and mummies did.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    Congrats to you for tellling it like it is. And I’m sure you’re gonna get feedback!

    Yes… all this happened and I do remember it also BUT – it’s all in the past now … and all this stuff about “equity” and CRT is just gross left wing crappola.

    No one today did anything to black folks so they are not “resposible” and it’s wrong to make them pay for what their daddies and mummies did.

  5. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    And Floyd was Pink…

    Absolutely. Liberals want policy evaluated, and race is often a handy metric. Conservatives don’t want policy evaluated. “It works. Trust me.”

  6. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    And Floyd was Pink…

    Absolutely. Liberals want policy evaluated, and race is often a handy metric. Conservatives don’t want policy evaluated. “It works. Trust me.”

  7. Dick, you are absolutely right, for centuries white people viewed the world through the prism of race, and black people suffered because of it. It was flat-out wrong and indefensible. Here’s the question: How do we combat the invidious practice of judging people on the basis of their race? By turning the practice around and engaging in identity politics, or by judging and treating people on the basis of their worth as individuals?

    Almost everyone nowadays acknowledges that slavery, segregation and anti-black racism was wrong. But it’s pretty hard getting people to acknowledge there is anything wrong at all with “anti-racism” identity politics.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I would say that when people are treated on the basis of their worth and are accorded the same opportunities as other sectors of society, there will no longer be a need for anyone to engage in identity politics.

      1. Put another way:

        “The beatings will continue until moral improves.”

        Racial animosity and picking old scabs doesn’t bring about healing, it just perpetuates hate.

        “The current emphasis on race and ethnicity is not new. In fact, it could be seen as a reaction to the long ugly emphasis on race and ethnicity by white leaders in Virginia and the country that was the norm.”

        Long memories and “tit for tat” is what brought about the Bosnian war and centuries of fighting in the Middle East. Our past need not rule our future, but it can if we let it.

        “What’s past is prologue”
        William Shakespeare, The Tempest

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          With that attitude we would never have had the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and would still be tolerating police violence.

          1. “With that attitude we would never have had the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and would still be tolerating police violence.”

            The above comment is the exact opposite of the facts of history, and a false comparison with identity politics of today. The above examples represent efforts to stop discrimination, but today’s identity politics by your own admission is “a reaction to the long ugly emphasis on race and ethnicity by white leaders in Virginia and the country.”

            To what end? It certainly isn’t making race relations better.

            It is important to note when the downward slide started. Who was occupying the Whitehouse when the most resent downward trend started?

            https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/_4kmo2ze0uy7uk4poyomjq.png

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          The Civil Rights Act of 1964 – 56 years ago was not about indiviuals of Irish discriminating against Italians or similar even though the title of the act said ” race, color, religion, sex, national origin, ”

          3.1 Title I—voting rights
          3.2 Title II—public accommodations
          3.3 Title III—desegregation of public facilities
          3.4 Title IV—desegregation of public education

          We did not have “segregated” schools for Irish or Jews or even Asians – they were primarily for one race – black.

          Ditto with public accommodations and voting laws and jobs.

          It’s not as if we had an environment of “identity” politics where all manner of different ethnicities were discriminating against other ethinicities.

          It was primarily about discrimination against blacks, not only from restaurant, motels, companies, but government itself.

          equating discrimnation against blacks as just one kind of discrimination of which there were many kinds is veering away from the truth and reality IMHO.

          Throughout many parts of the country – the signs said “No Colored” and in reality, it did not matter if you were a black man born in the south or an immigrant from other countries – if you were black, it was aimed at you.

          NOW, 56 years later , some of us call that “identity politics’.

          Well, yeah… it was and that’s why the laws came about.

          NOW – it’s portrayed that we had a lot of discrimination way back when and against blacks was only one kind! And now it’s no longer except for those who would use it for political purposes.

          1. We taught our children to respect everyone without regard to race or religion. I will except no less in any discussion about public policy, for my children or anyone else’s.

            No child should EVER be taught that they are deficient in some way because of their race. I will never accept that. It’s racism.

  8. Dick, you are absolutely right, for centuries white people viewed the world through the prism of race, and black people suffered because of it. It was flat-out wrong and indefensible. Here’s the question: How do we combat the invidious practice of judging people on the basis of their race? By turning the practice around and engaging in identity politics, or by judging and treating people on the basis of their worth as individuals?

    Almost everyone nowadays acknowledges that slavery, segregation and anti-black racism was wrong. But it’s pretty hard getting people to acknowledge there is anything wrong at all with “anti-racism” identity politics.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I would say that when people are treated on the basis of their worth and are accorded the same opportunities as other sectors of society, there will no longer be a need for anyone to engage in identity politics.

      1. Put another way:

        “The beatings will continue until moral improves.”

        Racial animosity and picking old scabs doesn’t bring about healing, it just perpetuates hate.

        “The current emphasis on race and ethnicity is not new. In fact, it could be seen as a reaction to the long ugly emphasis on race and ethnicity by white leaders in Virginia and the country that was the norm.”

        Long memories and “tit for tat” is what brought about the Bosnian war and centuries of fighting in the Middle East. Our past need not rule our future, but it can if we let it.

        “What’s past is prologue”
        William Shakespeare, The Tempest

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          With that attitude we would never have had the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and would still be tolerating police violence.

          1. “With that attitude we would never have had the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and would still be tolerating police violence.”

            The above comment is the exact opposite of the facts of history, and a false comparison with identity politics of today. The above examples represent efforts to stop discrimination, but today’s identity politics by your own admission is “a reaction to the long ugly emphasis on race and ethnicity by white leaders in Virginia and the country.”

            To what end? It certainly isn’t making race relations better.

            It is important to note when the downward slide started. Who was occupying the Whitehouse when the most resent downward trend started?

            https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/_4kmo2ze0uy7uk4poyomjq.png

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          The Civil Rights Act of 1964 – 56 years ago was not about indiviuals of Irish discriminating against Italians or similar even though the title of the act said ” race, color, religion, sex, national origin, ”

          3.1 Title I—voting rights
          3.2 Title II—public accommodations
          3.3 Title III—desegregation of public facilities
          3.4 Title IV—desegregation of public education

          We did not have “segregated” schools for Irish or Jews or even Asians – they were primarily for one race – black.

          Ditto with public accommodations and voting laws and jobs.

          It’s not as if we had an environment of “identity” politics where all manner of different ethnicities were discriminating against other ethinicities.

          It was primarily about discrimination against blacks, not only from restaurant, motels, companies, but government itself.

          equating discrimnation against blacks as just one kind of discrimination of which there were many kinds is veering away from the truth and reality IMHO.

          Throughout many parts of the country – the signs said “No Colored” and in reality, it did not matter if you were a black man born in the south or an immigrant from other countries – if you were black, it was aimed at you.

          NOW, 56 years later , some of us call that “identity politics’.

          Well, yeah… it was and that’s why the laws came about.

          NOW – it’s portrayed that we had a lot of discrimination way back when and against blacks was only one kind! And now it’s no longer except for those who would use it for political purposes.

          1. We taught our children to respect everyone without regard to race or religion. I will except no less in any discussion about public policy, for my children or anyone else’s.

            No child should EVER be taught that they are deficient in some way because of their race. I will never accept that. It’s racism.

  9. LarrytheG Avatar

    If data varies by race – does it mean anything? If it does, should we stop showing data by race?

    Why did we start looking at race in data to start with? Just an “obession”?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Okay, correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Chief Justice Thomas put on the court by Chuck Robb? Meaning almost 40 years ago? Maybe Baliles… He didn’t start as chief, but got there, and is now knocking down the big bucks at a major Main Street firm. That truly is history at this point, not news.

      The white supremacist politicians (then and now) were pandering for votes and yes, now the tide has turned. If you are waiting for it to subside, it will not until it is no longer politically useful. Two data points just from today. While I watching the legislative Commission on Unemployment Compensation, the VEC staff was instructed by a member of the New Majority to start providing all its data on unemployment, benefits and workforce participation by race and gender. Data exists, of course, but hasn’t been put on the slides for the meetings. And I looked at the VDH COVID data today and found a new report on vaccinations, also reported by race and gender.

      So if the predictions prove true and the minority population is less likely to take the vaccine if offered, do we also stop offering it to those of European ancestry to keep the EEO balance closer? No hospital or nursing home is going to want to stand out on that metric. Which lawsuit scares them more? Sorry, Dick, this is getting out of hand and “paybacks are hell” is not a sufficient reason. I do think there will be some backlash, and you may have seen it in Trump’s surprising vote from some quarters.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        John Charles Thomas was the first Black to be appointed to the state Supreme Court, but he didn’t make it to be chief. He resigned to go back to the big bucks. He has succeeded by another Black lawyer, Leroy Hassell, who was appointed by Baliles in 1989 and later confirmed by the legislature. He became Chief in 2003 (the first justice to be selected chief by his peers). He died of lymphoma in 2011 and his body lay in state in the Capitol Rotunda, the first Black person to be accorded that honor. That may be history, but is recent history.

        I don’t see collecting data by race as necessarily “payback”. Certainly, data can be used as a cudgel to try to force artificial or unnatural equities. It can also be used to determine if certain populations are being significantly more affected by certain conditions, such as unemployment, than others. If the data on vaccination reveals that minorities are less likely to get vaccinated than whites, no, we certainly don’t stop offering it to whites in order to balance the proportions. We try to find out why minorities are not getting vaccinated. For example, more education and outreach may be needed. Perhaps community leaders, such as clergy, can be enlisted to encourage members of those communities to get vaccinated. But, we will not know that they are not getting vaccinated if we do not collect the data.

        1. Steve Haner Avatar
          Steve Haner

          Ouch. Shame on my aging brain for confusing Thomas and Hassell. I didn’t actually know either, but should have remembered Hassell. Since I was wrong, thanks for correcting me.

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            That’s OK. I had forgotten about Thomas.

  10. LarrytheG Avatar

    If data varies by race – does it mean anything? If it does, should we stop showing data by race?

    Why did we start looking at race in data to start with? Just an “obession”?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Okay, correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Chief Justice Thomas put on the court by Chuck Robb? Meaning almost 40 years ago? Maybe Baliles… He didn’t start as chief, but got there, and is now knocking down the big bucks at a major Main Street firm. That truly is history at this point, not news.

      The white supremacist politicians (then and now) were pandering for votes and yes, now the tide has turned. If you are waiting for it to subside, it will not until it is no longer politically useful. Two data points just from today. While I watching the legislative Commission on Unemployment Compensation, the VEC staff was instructed by a member of the New Majority to start providing all its data on unemployment, benefits and workforce participation by race and gender. Data exists, of course, but hasn’t been put on the slides for the meetings. And I looked at the VDH COVID data today and found a new report on vaccinations, also reported by race and gender.

      So if the predictions prove true and the minority population is less likely to take the vaccine if offered, do we also stop offering it to those of European ancestry to keep the EEO balance closer? No hospital or nursing home is going to want to stand out on that metric. Which lawsuit scares them more? Sorry, Dick, this is getting out of hand and “paybacks are hell” is not a sufficient reason. I do think there will be some backlash, and you may have seen it in Trump’s surprising vote from some quarters.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        John Charles Thomas was the first Black to be appointed to the state Supreme Court, but he didn’t make it to be chief. He resigned to go back to the big bucks. He has succeeded by another Black lawyer, Leroy Hassell, who was appointed by Baliles in 1989 and later confirmed by the legislature. He became Chief in 2003 (the first justice to be selected chief by his peers). He died of lymphoma in 2011 and his body lay in state in the Capitol Rotunda, the first Black person to be accorded that honor. That may be history, but is recent history.

        I don’t see collecting data by race as necessarily “payback”. Certainly, data can be used as a cudgel to try to force artificial or unnatural equities. It can also be used to determine if certain populations are being significantly more affected by certain conditions, such as unemployment, than others. If the data on vaccination reveals that minorities are less likely to get vaccinated than whites, no, we certainly don’t stop offering it to whites in order to balance the proportions. We try to find out why minorities are not getting vaccinated. For example, more education and outreach may be needed. Perhaps community leaders, such as clergy, can be enlisted to encourage members of those communities to get vaccinated. But, we will not know that they are not getting vaccinated if we do not collect the data.

        1. Steve Haner Avatar
          Steve Haner

          Ouch. Shame on my aging brain for confusing Thomas and Hassell. I didn’t actually know either, but should have remembered Hassell. Since I was wrong, thanks for correcting me.

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            That’s OK. I had forgotten about Thomas.

  11. LarrytheG Avatar

    So, WHY did we start collecting data by race to start with? Not how long ago, but what was the reason to do it in the first place?

  12. LarrytheG Avatar

    So, WHY did we start collecting data by race to start with? Not how long ago, but what was the reason to do it in the first place?

  13. Dick, this is one of the longest Tu Quoque’s you’ve ever written.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      So, do you deny the history and its relevance?

      1. History is relevant for definitive conclusions only about what has happened historically. While history may provide clues to the present, any conclusions about current attitudes and racism must be backed up with current facts and objective analysis.

        A country’s history is certainly not relevant to definitive conclusion about the motivations of any individual’s actions or motivations in a given circumstance. If that standard were applied to people of all races, from all nations, the result would be recognized for what it is – racism and bigotry.

        For example, do you think that’s a fair way to judge people from South Korea? Are you familiar with “pure blood” theory there? I have read about Korean history, but would not assume that anyone of from South Korea is racist without conclusive evidence.

        “We have emphasized the importance of being a racially homogeneous nation and the preference of pure blood for too long,” the daily paper said in a front-page analysis.

        “According to social workers and groups such as Pearl S. Buck International, which helps mixed-race children in places such as South Korea, about 17.5 percent of mixed-race children in South Korea drop out of school during their middle school years because of bullying and discrimination. By comparison, 1.1 percent of all students drop out during their middle-school years.”

        “Once they get older, mixed-race people have trouble finding jobs and getting married, the groups say.”

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2006/03/05/s-korea-a-lonely-place-for-mixed-race-children/8bd29f99-4f8e-44b8-a764-7882ffa5017e/?noredirect=on

  14. Dick, this is one of the longest Tu Quoque’s you’ve ever written.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      So, do you deny the history and its relevance?

      1. History is relevant for definitive conclusions only about what has happened historically. While history may provide clues to the present, any conclusions about current attitudes and racism must be backed up with current facts and objective analysis.

        A country’s history is certainly not relevant to definitive conclusion about the motivations of any individual’s actions or motivations in a given circumstance. If that standard were applied to people of all races, from all nations, the result would be recognized for what it is – racism and bigotry.

        For example, do you think that’s a fair way to judge people from South Korea? Are you familiar with “pure blood” theory there? I have read about Korean history, but would not assume that anyone of from South Korea is racist without conclusive evidence.

        “We have emphasized the importance of being a racially homogeneous nation and the preference of pure blood for too long,” the daily paper said in a front-page analysis.

        “According to social workers and groups such as Pearl S. Buck International, which helps mixed-race children in places such as South Korea, about 17.5 percent of mixed-race children in South Korea drop out of school during their middle school years because of bullying and discrimination. By comparison, 1.1 percent of all students drop out during their middle-school years.”

        “Once they get older, mixed-race people have trouble finding jobs and getting married, the groups say.”

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2006/03/05/s-korea-a-lonely-place-for-mixed-race-children/8bd29f99-4f8e-44b8-a764-7882ffa5017e/?noredirect=on

  15. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    Dick –

    Make a historic list of cruelties of

    1. “whites against “whites”,
    2. “blacks” against “blacks,”
    3. “Asians” against “Asians”
    4. “Indians” against Indians,”
    5. “Hispanic” against “Hispanic.”

    Then turn each above group against each of and all of the other groups singly and collectively, and

    Then start yourself making lists of Germans against French, French against Germans and English, English against Irish, Welsh, Scots, and French, and Japanese against Chinese, etc, etc. …

    Then start yourself a list of Protestants against Catholics, Catholics against Huguenots, etc …

    And keep going making lists ad infinitum, and see how self righteous that makes you feel, and what it tells you about us, you included.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      What a dark view of human nature you have.

      1. sherlockj Avatar

        And E pluribus unum gets farther away daily, Dick.

        The new secular religion is, they should excuse the expression, old Testament. They won’t keep the products of their prism – the social constructs of race – from fighting over spoils.

        See the struggle over the new Democratic senator from California. Absent one nation, chaos follows.

    2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      “What a dark view of human nature you have.”

      Yes, Dick, you’ve got it exactly right. Jesus Christ was born this day and later hung on the cross at Calvary to atone for our, including your, sins in this fallen world.

      Quillette’s Clare Lehmann helps us here:

      “… Our contemporary society, with all of its luxurious comforts and technological advancements, does not give us much of a framework for dealing with hardship. Often the moral quest of our society seems to be the avoidance of hardship altogether … And that’s a problem. We are a meaning making species. We crave understanding, and we crave narratives which simplify a chaotic world. This is surely one reason why faddish political ideologies have become so popular in the West. As the influence of organized religion recedes, alternative belief systems have surged to fill the void—from the narratives of oppression young people learn at university, to the wild-eyed theories that their parents find on Facebook.

      What worries me about today’s ideologies is that they are quick to blame human suffering on an out-group, and slow to offer inner peace and restoration. Whether it is blaming one group for systematic oppression, or another group for pulling strings behind the scenes, there is always some group or other to scapegoat in times of trouble. In contrast, if one looks at the ancient wisdom of traditional religions, we see that followers and believers are encouraged to endure pain and suffering, not blame others, and not pretend that it doesn’t exist.

      Saint Augustine taught early Christians that suffering was universal to all humans. In the 16th century, Martin Luther encouraged his followers to empathize directly with Christ in his suffering, imagining the physical pain of crucifixion, and then imagining his forgiving and restorative love.

      It’s not just Christianity which promotes such spiritual practices. Tibetan Buddhists regularly meditate on their own death … the slow decay of one’s own corpse.

      While this may sound grotesque to our modern Western sensibilities, the psychological effects are far from it. The point of such contemplative practices is twofold: First, they promote the radical acceptance of reality by forcing us to look at what we’d rather turn away from. And second, they create gratitude. After sitting and contemplating our own pain and death, our gratitude for being alive is renewed, and we become thankful for the smallest of everyday experiences; watching a leaf falling to the ground, a soft breeze on the skin …”

      For more see:
      https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Claire-Lehmann-s-Christmas-message—the-weekly-roundup.html?soid=1128398123124&aid=Q3ftXq0PvCk

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        And they burned the last victim of the Inquisition in the mid-1800s! Go Jesuits!

        1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
          Reed Fawell 3rd

          “And they burned the last victim of the Inquisition in the mid-1800s! Go Jesuits!’

          Yes, indeed. Surely that proves the fall of human-kind a thousand times over, we, all of us, acting as gods.

  16. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Alexander the Great had a solution, although not a Great solution.

  17. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Alexander the Great had a solution, although not a Great solution.

  18. John Harvie Avatar
    John Harvie

    My mother, an otherwise proper and righteous woman (English teacher at old Binford JHS and member of G&HT Episcopal Church’s Altar Guild for some 50 years) once when I was a child in the ’30s corrected me for referring to our maid/cook, Frances Stevens as a “lady”. Frances being a “Negro” was only to be referred to as a “woman” since the word “lady” was reserved for whites. Frances’ husband was the personal chauffer for the Thalhimers family.

    The Stevens were a truly fine family but “just not the right color” per my mother.

  19. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    I am the head of a multi racial household. We do not obsess over race, religion, where we were born, or any of that stuff. The racial prism must end. Accept one another. Do not dwell on differences or past transgressions. Find the best in each other. Look towards the sunrise.

  20. Your mother was otherwise a proper and righteous woman?
    Poor Mom.

  21. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    I am the head of a multi racial household. We do not obsess over race, religion, where we were born, or any of that stuff. The racial prism must end. Accept one another. Do not dwell on differences or past transgressions. Find the best in each other. Look towards the sunrise.

  22. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Dick. Pay no attention to some of these comments. Bacon’s Rebellion has become a bastion of denialism. There is no racism. There is no danger of climate change. There must be no serious shutdowns to contain the pandemic. The blog has imported a new bench of right wing kooks, gun nuts and paid lobbyists.

    1. sherlockj Avatar

      Strawmen all, Peter. Most conservatives don’t deny any of that. It is the fixes proposed by the left that we find extreme.
      1. Of course there is racism. It needs to stop. Racists should be shunned. But not every white American is a racist. Not every utterance has a racist sub-text. Not every white teacher needs antiracism training and lifelong monitoring. Simultaneously, the left rejects proven methods to improve the education (charter schools) and health (health enterprise zones) of poor people, disproportionately black.
      2. Of course there is climate change. Has been for millions of years. Will be for a million more. The world needs cleaner air and cleaner water. America has massively reduced its footprint and cleaned up its water and air over the past 5 decades. We are the model for the world. We are the leaders in electric vehicle design and production. We will continue to do so without massive government intervention in the economy. On the other hand the command economy intervention that is planned by the left is far more likely and immediately to destroy the American economy than to make a microscopic contribution to delaying climate change. Central control of economies has worked so well elsewhere, hasn’t it Peter. It is a power and tax grab. Ideology, not ecology, drives them. They want a “New Economic Plan,” five year plans for every sector of the economy and destruction of American versions of Kulaks, our energy workers. Are you all in for that?
      3. Show me where long term shutdowns of schools, small businesses and churches have made a measurable difference in COVID spread or death rates that has proven to be worth the costs we have seen in destroying millions of children’s educations and adult lives. Compare deaths as a percentage of population in blue states with draconian shutdowns vs. red states with targeted shutdowns. The fact that Democratic politicians like unlimited power does not mean they should have it. How long must the vacation from the constitution last?

      Finally, identify the “right wing kooks, gun nuts and paid lobbyists here”.

  23. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Dick. Pay no attention to some of these comments. Bacon’s Rebellion has become a bastion of denialism. There is no racism. There is no danger of climate change. There must be no serious shutdowns to contain the pandemic. The blog has imported a new bench of right wing kooks, gun nuts and paid lobbyists.

    1. sherlockj Avatar

      Strawmen all, Peter. Most conservatives don’t deny any of that. It is the fixes proposed by the left that we find extreme.
      1. Of course there is racism. It needs to stop. Racists should be shunned. But not every white American is a racist. Not every utterance has a racist sub-text. Not every white teacher needs antiracism training and lifelong monitoring. Simultaneously, the left rejects proven methods to improve the education (charter schools) and health (health enterprise zones) of poor people, disproportionately black.
      2. Of course there is climate change. Has been for millions of years. Will be for a million more. The world needs cleaner air and cleaner water. America has massively reduced its footprint and cleaned up its water and air over the past 5 decades. We are the model for the world. We are the leaders in electric vehicle design and production. We will continue to do so without massive government intervention in the economy. On the other hand the command economy intervention that is planned by the left is far more likely and immediately to destroy the American economy than to make a microscopic contribution to delaying climate change. Central control of economies has worked so well elsewhere, hasn’t it Peter. It is a power and tax grab. Ideology, not ecology, drives them. They want a “New Economic Plan,” five year plans for every sector of the economy and destruction of American versions of Kulaks, our energy workers. Are you all in for that?
      3. Show me where long term shutdowns of schools, small businesses and churches have made a measurable difference in COVID spread or death rates that has proven to be worth the costs we have seen in destroying millions of children’s educations and adult lives. Compare deaths as a percentage of population in blue states with draconian shutdowns vs. red states with targeted shutdowns. The fact that Democratic politicians like unlimited power does not mean they should have it. How long must the vacation from the constitution last?

      Finally, identify the “right wing kooks, gun nuts and paid lobbyists here”.

  24. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Actually some of the two biggest polluters are China and India. One is a left wing command economy and the other is not.

  25. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Actually some of the two biggest polluters are China and India. One is a left wing command economy and the other is not.

  26. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Not all of us grew up in Virginia’s hellhole of racism. I went to school with black kids, played on the same teams and, even, used the same bathrooms.

    If we are looking at burdening current generations based on the bad behaviors of their ancestors, shouldn’t those whose ancestors lived in Virginia bear most of the burden of reparations?

    And speaking of China and India, doesn’t purchasing goods made in, or using services provided from, those two nations contribute to more greenhouse gas emissions? How many Sierra Club members own goods made in China or used support services from Indian call centers?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      TMT – who do you blame and penalize if the State sanctioned the discrimination and it was LEGAL to discriminate?

      You may not have gone to a segregated school but in prior times even agencies like USDA discriminated against black farmers and FHWA against blacks trying to buy homes.

  27. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Not all of us grew up in Virginia’s hellhole of racism. I went to school with black kids, played on the same teams and, even, used the same bathrooms.

    If we are looking at burdening current generations based on the bad behaviors of their ancestors, shouldn’t those whose ancestors lived in Virginia bear most of the burden of reparations?

    And speaking of China and India, doesn’t purchasing goods made in, or using services provided from, those two nations contribute to more greenhouse gas emissions? How many Sierra Club members own goods made in China or used support services from Indian call centers?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      TMT – who do you blame and penalize if the State sanctioned the discrimination and it was LEGAL to discriminate?

      You may not have gone to a segregated school but in prior times even agencies like USDA discriminated against black farmers and FHWA against blacks trying to buy homes.

  28. Lighten up everybody. It’s Christmas Eve and sin still exists in the world and will until the end of the world.
    The problem with all the racialist profiling is it is a logical fallacy. Require people to notice people are different based solely on color of skin and then demand that all people be treated the exact same after being required to notice the differences. The road back to the new and improved Jim Crow, but this time for profit and advantage and people using the “one drop” theory to claim a racial preference (even more Shaun Kings and Rachel Dolezals!).
    Meanwhile, I would like to offer a nice remembrance of Leroy Hassell. I was coaching a Richmond Striker rec team and Leroy was the “assistant coach.” He would get out there with me and the kids and play and was totally normal. After one match a downtown lawyer came up and talked with the two of us. After he left, Leroy had to gently chide me – “We’re friends. I don’t mind you calling me Leroy, but when other lawyers are around, you have to call me Judge or Your Honor.” Sadly, I think it was that same year when he had to quit mid-season and then a few years later died from the cancer.
    Merry Christmas everybody. More to life than politics!

  29. Lighten up everybody. It’s Christmas Eve and sin still exists in the world and will until the end of the world.
    The problem with all the racialist profiling is it is a logical fallacy. Require people to notice people are different based solely on color of skin and then demand that all people be treated the exact same after being required to notice the differences. The road back to the new and improved Jim Crow, but this time for profit and advantage and people using the “one drop” theory to claim a racial preference (even more Shaun Kings and Rachel Dolezals!).
    Meanwhile, I would like to offer a nice remembrance of Leroy Hassell. I was coaching a Richmond Striker rec team and Leroy was the “assistant coach.” He would get out there with me and the kids and play and was totally normal. After one match a downtown lawyer came up and talked with the two of us. After he left, Leroy had to gently chide me – “We’re friends. I don’t mind you calling me Leroy, but when other lawyers are around, you have to call me Judge or Your Honor.” Sadly, I think it was that same year when he had to quit mid-season and then a few years later died from the cancer.
    Merry Christmas everybody. More to life than politics!

  30. warrenhollowbooks Avatar
    warrenhollowbooks

    “Does anyone believe that a policeman would have pinned a handcuffed George Floyd to the ground with a knee on the back of his neck until he died if Floyd had been white?”

    Without a !@#$ doubt
    And his death would have been as little commented on nationally as the death of Justine Diamond.

    “Systemic racism”- for when you don’t have to provide any facts

  31. warrenhollowbooks Avatar
    warrenhollowbooks

    “Does anyone believe that a policeman would have pinned a handcuffed George Floyd to the ground with a knee on the back of his neck until he died if Floyd had been white?”

    Without a !@#$ doubt
    And his death would have been as little commented on nationally as the death of Justine Diamond.

    “Systemic racism”- for when you don’t have to provide any facts

  32. djrippert Avatar

    I grew up (mostly) in Virginia too Dick and I never saw any of the things you saw. I was born in 1959 and there were no segregated schools by the time I started attending elementary school on military bases. My father fought in Korea and Vietnam alongside black soldiers and sailors. I went to a high school that was 30+% African American. There were no segregated water fountains, nobody wore klan robes to parties.

    I’m sorry but it just didn’t happen. Not where and when I grew up in Virginia.

    Going back – Arlington’s Catholic schools integrated before I was born. When the public schools in Arlington tried to do the same they had their school board disbanded by members of the Byrd Machine. It wasn’t the Arlington School Board that wanted to stay segregated it was the racists from central and southern Virginia.

    My recollection growing up in Northern Virginia was a battle between the people of NoVa and the politicians from central and southern Virginia.

    When Mildred Loving got pregnant she and her soon-to-be husband went across the river to Washington, DC to get married – contrary to Virginia law. In other words, the Lovings went t0 the city where NoVa is a suburb. When people ask me where I grew up I say, “DC”. I know that’s hard for some Virginians to understand but NoVa is just a suburb of DC like Henrico is a suburb of Richmond. And, in 1957, people of different races could get married in the city where I grew up.

    I’m sorry that you and many other Virginians grew up among hard core racists. I did not. If you and your neighbors want to reflect on the racist past of where you grew up – great. Maybe start with the asshat of a governor who was going to parties with people in klan robes in the 1980s.

    As for me – I’ll pass on the guilt trip. I’m proud of “occupied Virginia” where the schools were integrated, there were no “colored” water fountains and nobody ever saw anybody wearing klan robes. At least not as far back as I can remember. And that’s getting to be a pretty long time now.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Washington DC’s Segregated School System, 1900-1954

      https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=b7003c00646d49f581a39cadd17e5d99

      is the idea that even if segregation did happen (in way more places than just Virginia) that , if it did not happen when you were born and alive, it has nothing to do with you?

  33. djrippert Avatar

    I grew up (mostly) in Virginia too Dick and I never saw any of the things you saw. I was born in 1959 and there were no segregated schools by the time I started attending elementary school on military bases. My father fought in Korea and Vietnam alongside black soldiers and sailors. I went to a high school that was 30+% African American. There were no segregated water fountains, nobody wore klan robes to parties.

    I’m sorry but it just didn’t happen. Not where and when I grew up in Virginia.

    Going back – Arlington’s Catholic schools integrated before I was born. When the public schools in Arlington tried to do the same they had their school board disbanded by members of the Byrd Machine. It wasn’t the Arlington School Board that wanted to stay segregated it was the racists from central and southern Virginia.

    My recollection growing up in Northern Virginia was a battle between the people of NoVa and the politicians from central and southern Virginia.

    When Mildred Loving got pregnant she and her soon-to-be husband went across the river to Washington, DC to get married – contrary to Virginia law. In other words, the Lovings went t0 the city where NoVa is a suburb. When people ask me where I grew up I say, “DC”. I know that’s hard for some Virginians to understand but NoVa is just a suburb of DC like Henrico is a suburb of Richmond. And, in 1957, people of different races could get married in the city where I grew up.

    I’m sorry that you and many other Virginians grew up among hard core racists. I did not. If you and your neighbors want to reflect on the racist past of where you grew up – great. Maybe start with the asshat of a governor who was going to parties with people in klan robes in the 1980s.

    As for me – I’ll pass on the guilt trip. I’m proud of “occupied Virginia” where the schools were integrated, there were no “colored” water fountains and nobody ever saw anybody wearing klan robes. At least not as far back as I can remember. And that’s getting to be a pretty long time now.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Washington DC’s Segregated School System, 1900-1954

      https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=b7003c00646d49f581a39cadd17e5d99

      is the idea that even if segregation did happen (in way more places than just Virginia) that , if it did not happen when you were born and alive, it has nothing to do with you?

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