The Ugly American

When The Washington Post and Wall Street Journal publish articles about a heretofore unrecognized social phenomenon at about the same time, you know something is going on. People are behaving rudely in movie theaters. They are taking selfies, chatting on their cell phones, talking smack to characters on the movie screen, getting into slap fights, and in one case cited by the Post, wearing no clothes. When asked to “shush,” they don’t shush. They lambaste the shushers.

Some commentators blame COVID, isolation, or “trauma.”

“It is clear that the past three years have been challenging for many people in our country. We have experienced a series of collective traumas, cascading one to the next,” said Roxane Cohen Silver, a professor of psychology at the University of California, Irvine quoted by the Post. “The combination of the pandemic, inflation, mass shootings, climate-related disasters, political polarization and so on, has taxed our capacity to cope.”

Nonsense. You want mass shooting? Try the Civil War. You want deadly plagues? Try the Great Influenza Epidemic of 1918. You want climate disaster? Try the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927. You want economic disruption? Try the Great Depression. You want inflation? Try the 1970s. Never in history have a people undergone less hardship and less trauma than in 21st-century America. Yet never before in history has America experienced such a tsunami of narcissism, self-indulgence, coarseness and rudeness — none of which has anything to do with experiencing trauma.

Misbehavior in movie theaters is but the latest manifestation of the long assault on bourgeois values. Under the new ethos, courtesy, politeness and good manners are forms of social oppression. Under the new ethos, if it feels good do it. Under the new ethos, we’ll all be equally rude and disrespectful to one another.

What a wonderful world we’re creating.

— JAB


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88 responses to “The Ugly American”

  1. Kevin Brown Avatar
    Kevin Brown

    Welcome to The Era of Entitlement.

  2. Kevin Brown Avatar
    Kevin Brown

    Welcome to The Era of Entitlement.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I think the last layer of “civil” came off with COVID. People are truly driving like rude idiots these days. Driving “defensively” has taken on a whole new approach!

  4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Because I can’t remember the last time I was in a movie theater, I can’t comment on behavior in those venues.

    As for society in general, I blame two things. The first is cell phones. For some reason, people feel they have to answer their cell phones whenever it rings (buzzes, etc.) If they are in a conservation with someone in person, the cell phone caller somehow always takes precedence. If they are in an elevator with other people, they seem to think the other people in the elevator want to hear this one-sided conservation.

    The second thing to blame is a recent national leader who trashed all notions of civility. People look to national leaders for examples.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      sitting in a waiting room the other day and some lady had notifications turned on for her phone and so everyone spent the next 30 minutes listening everytime she got a notification. The good news was that she was the only one. Everyone else had the consideration to turn off their sound. The bad news is that you do not want to be behind that lady in traffic when her phone dings…

      We did a movie theater for the firs time in awhile and we wanted drinks and popcorn (or so we thought). Won’t be doing that again for awhile.

    2. vicnicholls Avatar
      vicnicholls

      I was with you up to the last paragraph.

    3. Lefty665 Avatar

      Joe wasn’t even civil when he had a brain, but you guys elected him even without one. You don’t have much room to complain about the lack of civility. Remember his quote “Nobody f**** with a Biden”.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        I feel like any semblance of civility went out the window when any criticism of FPOUTS Obama policies were met with the retort, you’re a racist.

    4. If they are in an elevator with other people, they seem to think the other people in the elevator want to hear this one-sided conservation.

      I just say, in a louder than normal voice, “Hey, do you mind putting that on speaker?” They usually hang up shortly after.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        🙂 I like it!

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I hate cellphones in restrooms. I tend to do a lot of “discourtesy” flushes.

        “Hey! Where you headed later?”
        “Uh, well. Going to take the wife to dinner. What about you?”
        “Hold on Harry, the Bozo in the adjacent stall is talking to me for some reason.”

        1. You could also belt out a few verses of “Singing in the Rain” – loudly and off-key.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Ala Malcolm McDowell? Can I get the mask and sculpture too?

          2. And the codpiece…

  5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    There is a simple solution to bad behavior in movie theaters. When most of us were growing up and going to the movies, if someone engaged in a lot of loud talking or otherwise obnoxious behavior, an usher would politely (?) tell him to knock it off. If the miscreant persisted in bad behavior, the usher would firmly escort him out of the theater.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I remember many years ago, the movie stopped and the lights came up and a voice from the back said ” the movie will continue after ya’ll quiet down”!

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      What’s an usher? (asking on behalf of Gen-X and younger)

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        church-goer much? 😉

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Nah, just the last time a theater had an usher was Aurora, Colorado.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            ah

          2. In 1974?

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        What’s a movie theater…?

    3. Teddy007 Avatar

      A 16 screen multiplex probably operates with less than 10 employees. There are no ushers anymore. The employees are busy cleaning or selling food. Movies theaters have been reduced almost to self-service and thus, the sociopaths are taking advantage.

  6. UVAPast Avatar

    We have noticed people are running red lights. What can be done about this?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Put up cameras at traffic lights. Virginia law authorizes localities to do this. See Sec. 15.2-968.1

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Red light cameras are designed to reduce speeding, not red light runners.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          The insurance industry seems to think they help deter red light runners. https://www.iihs.org/topics/red-light-running

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I think they do deter red light runners also. As the report cites, red light running contributes to serious accidents…

            Thought this part was also interesting:

            ” Among drivers involved in fatal red-light-running multiple-vehicle crashes in 2021, the red light runners were more likely than other drivers to be male, to be younger, and to have prior crashes or alcohol-impaired driving convictions. The red light runners also were more likely to be speeding or alcohol-impaired at the time of the crash and less likely to have a valid driver’s license.”

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            It’s the physics and a little psychology.

            The timing of the yellow and the 0.5 sec grace are such that if you do the speed limit you’ll have more than ample time to stop but if you don’t, the grace period will keep you from getting the ticket.

            While not exactly rocket science, the traffic engineers have worked it all out quite well. The yellow light timing used to be set for speed limit + 10 mph for the safety of speeders.

            The problem with setting longer yellow lights to accommodate speeding is it adds incentive to not stopping.

            Where there are cameras, the timing is designed to catch those cars going over the speed limit.

            The all-red is designed to stop T-bones.

            Drunks and idiots (deliberately) will always run the light, cameras or not.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Seems like at some lights… the “grace” is longer… 2-3 seconds maybe… and perhaps is keyed to the speed limit…. ergo.. a 55 mph llimit maybe have a long grace than a 25mph.

            Also.. check some lights.. they have two detection strips… one at the light and another further out… 50-100 ft, etc…

            Some lights operate with computers using historical traffic data to determine how long to stay green. Others have real-time sensors as well as connected to multiple light so they are synchronized (better).

            They are also closing median crossovers… and changing the way left turns work at lights. Every time a light changes, it becomes a potential conflict point for red light runners so they are increased the mainline time between changes and extending the wait/stack time for left turns especially at rush hour and they do this by extending the left turn lanes to hold more cars – sometimes two-laning them. And during rush hours, the left turn lanes do not clear… you may have to wait more than one cycle to make your turn.

            So on the main primary roads in our area, at periods of heavy traffic/rush hour – left turns take some time to do while the mainlines are kept green much longer – and they’re synchronized… so it’s less lights out of synch.

            They’ve also reconfigured the cloverleaf interchanges with I-95.. Closed them and put in traffic lights because the cloverleafs were “failing” because of weaving between the ramps and mainline. Now we have 3 lanes at a light getting on and off of I-95.

            STILL, there are the red light runners… not the ones who beat the yellow or miss it by a second or so.. but folks who clearly enter the intersection with the light fully red and in our area, it’s one of the most common accidents and higher number of fatalities because some folks blindly enter the intersection when it’s green… thinking they’re safe!

            The second most common accident is the run off the road for no obvious reason accident, which is likely to be someone screwing with their cell phone.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Actually here right now…….. at Zion Crossroads and Stafford I-95 Rt 630:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cd9cb157978326da1d7b952a0f35acf56ba948bf69a0f99cf4e2dfa6d42c7c89.jpg

            They may be considering them for Rt 17/95 and Rt 3/I95 and Rt 1/I-95 where the new VA clinic is.

            The northbound CD lanes on I-95 will open in late 2023/2024 and there is a new 10 mile extension of the HOT lanes.

            Billions of dollars of infrastructure for the Fredericksburg Area … but folks are not happy…because we no longer have “open” roads…there’s traffic everywhere… we’ve been “Fairfaxed”!

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            FWIW, a lot of this stuff is coming out of UT-Austin. There are 10s of 1000s of studies on interchange designs and stoplight timings and UTA has a group doing it all.

            The one thing that screws it all up? Speeders going 10+ MPH over the limit.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            and from there to FHWA that allocates funding based on “proven” designs they like.

            They data driven on accident data … one of the primary goals is to favor designs that reduce “conflict points” even if they increase delay times (which people do not love).

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            One of the less intuitive things is how many times a light cycles. Each time it cycles, it introduces the potential for a red-light runner. So now, they are basically increasing the green time (less cycle to red) on the mainlines and “stacking” the left turn lanes so that they don’t get green as often …. and even when they do, the lanes may not completely clear but red light runners at a left turn are not near as dangerous as red light runners on a higher speed mainline.

            Watch what VDOT is doing and you’ll see this.

          8. The one in Zion Crossroads works beautifully. I pass through it on a regular basis. I have not used the one in Stafford.

            There is another one under design on I-64 at Ashland Road in Goochland County. I do not doubt VDOT has others in the works as well.

            If the diverging diamond is included in the original design of an interchange, the two intersections can often be grade-separated. That allows the traffic lights to be eliminated for an even more efficient traffic flow (and virtually zero chance of crashes at the intersections). Grade separation is usually not an option when ‘retrofitting’ an existing interchange.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            They look really confusing when on paper but when you’re actually using one… it’s easy and the conflict points for higher speed red light running is much reduced… and so is merge weaving…

            They say if they start from dirt, they are as cheap or cheaper than other types of interchanges but the one in Stafford was also a relocation of interchange and the connecting roads so it cost 190 million verses the 40-60 interchanges typically cost.

            Most projects in Virginia now have to go through a process known as SmartScale where several things are evaluated including the design…and a design considered more safe gets more points. If it scores well on safety and cost-effectiveness, it will beat other projects… for funding.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I totally agree. put the cameras up.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          It’s limited to a certain number per locality. Most cities have a place for them. The counties? They’ll just get shot up.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Many traffic signals these days have an array of electronics… you can’t even tell what
            it’s all for. But if there are problems, have other cameras to monitor also.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Bet you don’t know this, but cameras at red lights are not designed to stop red light runners, but rather they reduce speeding. Got to tell that to Dick.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            speed is not the real problem in general though… it’s aggressive driving , red light running, etc. I’ve have people in the right lane at the light turn left from the straight thru lane… and I had no idea he was turning with me and we both were going for the same lane until my wife shouted. I’m having people pull up on the right, cut in front of me then getting in a left turn lane. Not just me, I see it happening to others… it’s wild wild west at times.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Oh well. That’s localized to NOVA. Here, speeding and tailgating are the aggressive driving traits. I don’t tailgate.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            oh we have uber tailgating… You can be going FASTER than the speed limit and they’re still in your trunk! People are just downright rude in their driving behaviors.. these days….. I see folks with their own cams now… so maybe as they become more common, it will curtail some of the miscreants.

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            In light(er) traffic areas on Interstates if you don’t use speed control and drive between 2 to 5 over the speed limit, a wonderful thing will occur. You’ll find “bubbles” where you will be alone (big gap between you and cars in front and behind) which you can maintain. Sure, you’ll get passed and eventually you’ll catch a truck, but you can go long stretches in a relaxing environment.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I do similar… I get myself away from the “clumps” , sometimes it means slowing down and dropping back. but when it’s heavy, it’s no joy.. people do NOT “collaborate” on the roads… for the most part, it’s a foreign concept to most!

            VDOT is trying a new thing in the Richmond to NoVa segment. They are posting varibablel speed
            limits and they say it actually “smooths” the flow. http://improve95.org/variable/default.asp

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The old saying “Speed Kills” couldn’t be more wrong. It’s “Speed Variance Kills”. I don’t think changing the speed limit on segments is going to help. I suspect it may make things worse. I’d like them to try setting a higher speed limit on the leftmost lane, e.g., if the speed limit is 65 place signs that read “Left Lane 70” to keep them passing.

            “Slow Traffic Keep Right” sure don’t work.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It’s an “experiment” but they claim when they set the variable limits that people pay attention and
            know they can’t expect 70 mph….

            Right now, there is what they call “accordion” effects… just rapidly changing speeds and knots of congestion…

            VDOT is not considering expanding I-95… they’re “managing” it. The lane building is coming
            to an end… it’s don’t work and when you did it you have to rebuild all those overpasses and interchanges.

            Some day, VDOT.. might consider a dual I-95 on a new corridor… if/when that happens all hell will break loose… wherever the path is drawn on a map.

          10. I don’t tailgate.

            Neither do I. I simply pass vehicles that are travelling more slowly than I want to drive/ride.

            Of course that entails dealing with a whole other breed of aggressive drivers – people who accelerate to try to prevent someone from passing them.

            On any given day, depending upon which roads I travel, I legally pass between four and ten other vehicles on various marked and unmarked two lane highways. By my estimation, about 85% of them speed up at least a little bit (3-5 mph) when I move out to pass them. I think most of them do it unconsciously as a result of seeing a faster moving vehicle approaching. I have learned to accept that and I account for it when timing my passes – although I wish they would work on their throttle control skills a little.

            OTOH, there are a small percentage who will floor their accelerator and/or move their vehicle to the left to try to prevent someone from passing them. This is behavior I cannot comprehend. I simply do not understand why anyone would do such a thing. If they are travelling a speed that is comfortable for them, why would they care if someone who wants to go a little faster passes them and moves on?

          11. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I agree. When I pass on 2-lane, I increase my following distance slightly, look for the gap, pop the downshift twice (it’s shift-by-wire so things are instantaneous) and push firm on the pedal. If the other driver doesn’t accelerate, I should be going past him at +20 minimum. But around here, there aren’t that many 2-lane roads that have passing zones.

            Yes, they do speed up if they are not aware of your pass. Even on the Interstate they speed up. I think it’s a deep brain function akin to “flight or fight”. They see someone moving faster and that reflex takes over, “Whatever is chasing him ain’t gonna eat me.”

          12. Yes, they do speed up if they are not aware of your pass. Even on the Interstate they speed up. I think it’s a deep brain function akin to “flight or fight”.

            Maybe they should be called passive-aggressive drivers.

          13. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Agree. There are folks out there that do that… for sure.
            I do my best to get them paired up with aggressive drives so I can be free of both.

          14. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I have no problem with people passing me even though I’m 5-10 over the limit. In fact, if someone is tailgating and wanting to pass… I will slow way down to let them!

            No problem! I’ll even lower the window and give a hand signal so they know for sure!

          15. Sounds good to me. That puts you in the 15%.

          16. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I’ll even pull over on a two-lane if I can…. especially if I have a slow-poke in front of me and a hair-on-fire guy behind me… I’ll do what I can to get them both together!

  7. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Broken windows theory doesn’t just apply to crime…

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    This is a phenomenon that I began noticing in the 1980s.

    I blame Rocky Horror Picture Show and other midnight cult movies, with the exception of Fantasia during which you could hear a pin drop aside for an occasional “Oh wow! I’m freakin’,” and inordinately loud popcorn munching.

    “ and in one case cited by the Post, wearing no clothes.” Nonetheless, Paul Reubens was a genius.

  9. Carter Melton Avatar
    Carter Melton

    There is an olde saying: “Tough times make tough men; tough men make good times; and good times make weak men”.

    It is a shorthand version for the rise and fall of nations.

    Weak men (gender inclusive) lack the discipline to control their narcissistic inclinations and civil behavior disappears from the public square.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “I am a soldier that my son may be a farmer and so his may be a poet.” — some smart guy on the building of an enlightened society.

      I like your quote. It describes Germany in the 1930s. Oh, wait.

      Multiple choice, pick one
      “If you go after me, I’ll come after you”
      A) Tough guy,
      B) Weak man lacking the discipline to control his narcissistic inclinations and civil behavior.

      1. It depends on what you mean by “go” and “come”…

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Locker room is what he used the last time.

  10. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    Their (children of this century) is coming……

  11. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    We blame the guns for bad behavior by people using them. Is this not the fault of the smartphones? Both guns and phones interact quite powerfully with the human brain to overcome intelligence and judgment. It isn’t just in movie theaters where the phones have become a huge annoyance. At least when a selfie causes an idiot to fall into the Grand Canyon that’s one fewer idiot.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      ergo.. is social media bad… in and of itself… or is it the people using it?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Or, just the content controllers?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          that’s the thing… They’re after FB and Tik Tok, etc… but they’re just conduits… for 3rd party content… and we’re expecting them to control it. Any kid on a phone can get to just about any “content” they want to even if it messes their mind up.

          What to do?

          We used to frown on China controlling their internet but we seem to be headed in the same direction…. in some respects…

    2. Both guns and phones interact quite powerfully with the human brain to overcome intelligence and judgment.

      Will you explain how that applies to guns, please? When I carry a weapon, my senses of responsibility and self-discipline are heightened, not lessened. And that is the case with virtually everyone I know who has a concealed handgun permit and/or carries a firearm.

      The need for this mind-set is drilled into students’ heads over and over during gun safety classes given by NRA-certified firearms instructors.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “The need for this mind-set is drilled into students’ heads over and over during gun safety classes given by NRA-certified firearms instructors.”

        Could this be because they know they need to overcome the id of the armed human?

        1. No, it is to highlight the seriousness of the additional responsibility a person takes on when they decide to carry a firearm.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I remember having to pass hunter’s safety to be able to get a hunting license in PA growing up.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Drilling over and over is how one overcomes the old fight or flee response programmed by nature into every human being and replaces it with a controlled and disciplined response. Seems like Haner hit on something…

          3. Yes, that is one reason for repeated drills – but not the one in the case of firearm training. The NRA does not train people to overcome their fight or flight response. In fact, they tell them to do everything they can reasonably do to avoid the need to use a firearm to defend themselves. They train people to safely handle firearms, and repeated drills are used to make safe handling and good decision making automatic and natural.

            I understand how important it is to you to try to make them and the people they train look bad or incompetent or aberrant, but the fact is the NRA is very serious about gun safety – far more so than are any of the gun ban advocacy organizations who now pose as gun safety advocates.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “I understand how important it is to you to try to make them and the people they train look bad or incompetent or aberrant…”

            I did nothing of the sort. The fact is that I approve of gun safety courses and I understand why safety instructors drill the way they do. It is common throughout the safety industry and is not just a gun thing.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Yes, that’s you but how many social get togethers these days do we hear of gunfights breaking out? Seems like a lot at times….

        1. It’s me and a lot of other people as well. I have been to a lot of get togethers where a lot of people had firearms. There has never even been a hint of a gun fight breaking out at any of them.

          Making assumptions about large numbers of people based on the behavior of just a few people is neither fair nor just.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            just referring to what is on the news… these days.. vast majority are responsible… but there are those who are not… and enough of them to “make the news”!

          2. But I view it similarly to crime in general – specifically which demographics are the most likely to engage in violent criminal behavior.

            The same people who justifiably demand that the whole group not be judged by the actions of a few, are perfectly willing to blame all gun owners for the actions of a few criminals and miscreants.

            I, on the other hand, do not blame any group as a whole for the actions of a small number of that group.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I don’t see it that way at all but there are some simple realities with respect to virtually anyone being able to have a gun… Some are not responsible and it don’t take many for that to be a problem. I look at the 2A sometimes and I wonder the how and why of restrictions.. .when the words seem to imply no infringement at all. How can subsequent laws restrict and still be “Constitutional”?

          4. How can subsequent laws restrict and still be “Constitutional”?

            The same way certain laws which restrict speech can be constitutional. No right is absolute – not even the right to life.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            so then what decides what restrictions are valid and what not and what would be the reason if the plain words in the Constitution say “shall not be abridged”?

            And who defines what “arms” are and are not?

            Why can’t I “bear arms” with a ghost gun or a stinger in the first place?

            who makes the rules that seem to contradict what the plain words in the Constitution say?

          6. …who makes the rules that seem to contradict what the plain words in the Constitution say?

            Congress
            BATFE
            Other federal agencies
            State legislatures
            Local legislatures
            Local police chiefs
            Local sheriffs
            Local Mayors
            etc.

            The list of those who think they know better than you how you should live your life is a long one.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            but where do they derive their power to do that if the Constitution itself does not give it and
            actually seems to say “will not infringe”.

            We’re seeing some restrictions , some long standing, now being thrown out – on that basis, right?

          8. They have that power when the People do not refuse to relinquish it to them. They are also empowered when large enough numbers of the People are willing to trade freedom for perceived safety.

          9. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “People are willing to trade freedom for perceived safety.”

            There as a fella a long time ago who had a quote about that, I think perhaps he helped start this nation. 🙂

          10. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Thankfully, the BATFE seems to be having their unlawful “regulations” being reined in by the Court system, as of current.

            Begone Chevron Deference.

      3. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Wayne, for every responsible gun owner like you, there is at least one wannabe John Wayne or John Dillinger.

        1. I think you are greatly overestimating the number of irresponsible gun owners out there.

          There are an estimated 75,000,000+ gun owners in the United States, and about 25,000,000 concealed carry permit holders (plus many others who legally carry in one of the 27 states that do not require a permit).

          If half of those numbers become unable to control their own actions when carrying a firearm, then wouldn’t there be many times more accidents and intentional shootings in this country than the admittedly too-great numbers we currently experience?

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