The Transgender Contagion

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Abigail Shrier

by James A. Bacon

Abigail Shrier deserves a Pulitzer Prize for her 2019 work of journalism, “Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters.” She’ll never get the recognition she deserves from the literary establishment, though, because her conclusions transgress some of the holiest orthodoxies in the progressive canon. Despite the outcry that greeted her book, it became a best seller and transformed the way many people think about transgenderism. I am one of them.

Anyone reading the book, as opposed to imbibing the mischaracterizations of her critics, will readily see that Shrier is no “transphobe.” She is highly empathetic to the struggles that transgender people undergo, and she respectfully refers to them by their transgendered names and pronouns. She also acknowledges that gender dysphoria is a real (but exceedingly rare) phenomenon that occurs mainly among boys as young as three or four who believe that their minds and bodies are mismatched.

Shrier is reviled because she regards the unprecedented surge of transgender identity among adolescent girls as a cultural contagion, and she sees “affirmative” practices of hormonal treatment and breast removal as one step removed from medical malpractice. She criticizes teachers, psychiatrists and medical professionals who automatically “affirm” transgender identity rather than inquire about other potential explanations of emotional distress.

One critic described her work as “a fear-filled screed, full of misinformation, biological and medical inaccuracies, logical fallacies, and propaganda.” Perhaps. I’m no expert. But I found her credible.

Virginians can hear Shrier speak for herself when she appears at the University of Virginia October 11, Room 125 of Minor Hall, at 7:00 p.m. The event is sponsored by The Jefferson Council and the Common Sense Society. Register here.

I got no sense from her book that Shrier is a cultural conservative. Cultural conservatives have embraced her because she validates their suspicions that there is something terribly misguided about the transgender movement. However, writing in 2019, she never referenced culture cons as sources and betrayed no sympathy for, say, the MAGA movement. She strikes me as an old-fashioned liberal who believe what old-fashioned liberals believed before progressives rose to cultural and political dominance.

Shrier interviewed hundreds of people for her book, and she steeped herself in YouTube videos, Reddit chat rooms, and other social media. She talked to parents, teachers, psychologists, and medical doctors — not just skeptics but those who supported the transgender movement. It was an impressive feat of journalism.

The starting point for Shrier’s investigation is the observation that gender dysphoria was vanishingly rare among adolescent girls a decade ago. Pubescent girls in our society have long had body-image issues, and phenomena such as anorexia and bulimia have been a gnawing issue for years. But the conviction among teenage females that they were really boys exploded in the mid-2010s, simultaneous with the widespread use of the iPhone and social media. Girls who were unpopular, confused, or unhappy — typically suffering from anxiety and/or depression — sought answers for their misery, fell down social-media rabbit holes, and found a sense of belonging online. Reinforcing the theory that the spread of transgenderism arises from social contagion is the fact that the phenomenon occurs most frequently among girls from affluent White families, is clustered in peer groups, and is most common in households with politically progressive views.

Shrier is sympathetic to these girls. They are suffering emotionally, she says. In politically progressive environments, identifying as trans gives them affirmation and status that they lacked before. But there are tremendous risks when these girls-now-identifying-as-boys undergo “gender-affirming treatment” such as taking testosterone shots, having their breasts removed, or in extreme cases, undergoing phalloplasty, the construction of an artificial penis. Each of these procedures has potential side effects — most notably sterility — and are potentially irreversible.

In 2019 when Shrier’s book was published, the medical evidence conflicted as to whether gender-affirming treatment improved or worsened transgenders’ sense of wellbeing. More recent findings in Europe suggest that such treatments offer no psychological benefit at all. Indeed, a number of young women have decided they are not transgender, regret their disfigurement and sterility, and decry the educational/medical establishment that rushed them into their affirmative treatment.

Transgenderism is real in a tiny percentage of cases (less than one in a thousand people), and transgenders deserve compassion for their struggles. But most of the cases we see today reflect the medicalization of anxiety, depression and loneliness into hardened culture-war dogma. Affirmation likely does more harm than good. As one of the first to explain how America succumbed to this madness, Shrier is a prophet. Everyone needs to hear her.

James A. Bacon is executive director of The Jefferson Council.


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100 responses to “The Transgender Contagion”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Transgenderism is real in a tiny percentage of cases (less than one in a thousand people)…”

    “Among U.S. adults, 0.5% (about 1.3 million adults) identify as transgender”

    https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

    A bit more than “less than one in a thousand”…

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Keyword: real. The contention being that of every 50 identified transgenders, only 8 or so are “real”. Of course, there’s no way to distinguish the “real” from the, uh, “fake”, I guess.

      But for the sake of argument, let’s assume they’re correct. That just means they’ll gleefully trample the rights and lives of just “a couple hundred thousand people” to feel better of themselves.

      1. For thousands of years, only a very tiny percentage have been transgender. Now it’s exploding. Skepticism is warranted.

        This isn’t the first social contagion, and it won’t be the last.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Really? You have written accounts of transgenders going back 1000s of years?

          1. That’s exactly the point. No mass transgender movements in any society, ever.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” Alan Turing was prosecuted in 1952 for homosexual acts. He accepted hormone treatment with DES, a procedure commonly referred to as chemical castration, as an alternative to prison. Turing died on 7 June 1954, 16 days before his 42nd birthday, from cyanide poisoning. An inquest determined his death as a suicide, but it has been noted that the known evidence is also consistent with accidental poisoning. Following a public campaign in 2009, British prime minister Gordon Brown made an official public apology on behalf of the government for “the appalling way [Turing] was treated”.

            tried hiding but was outted…

            how many others over time stayed hidden to avoid similar fates?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” Alan Turing was prosecuted in 1952 for homosexual acts. He accepted hormone treatment with DES, a procedure commonly referred to as chemical castration, as an alternative to prison. Turing died on 7 June 1954, 16 days before his 42nd birthday, from cyanide poisoning. An inquest determined his death as a suicide, but it has been noted that the known evidence is also consistent with accidental poisoning. Following a public campaign in 2009, British prime minister Gordon Brown made an official public apology on behalf of the government for “the appalling way [Turing] was treated”.

            tried hiding but was outted…

            how many others over time stayed hidden to avoid similar fates?

          4. Castration is considered cruel and unusual punishment under the eighth amendment.

            So why is it now being encouraged, especially for impressionable young people?

            I thought we learned better.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            I don’t know that it is being “encouraged”. Who is encouraging it? Why do you say that?

            Is this an issue where you want the govt to decide?

            Alan Turing was “encouraged” to get castrated because he was gay. Right?
            ” After World War II, Turing was prosecuted for having sex with a man, stripped of his security clearance and forcibly treated with female hormones.

          6. LarrytheG:
            I don’t know that it is being “encouraged”. Who is encouraging it? Why do you say that?

            It’s called “gender affirming care” which includes the same drugs used for chemical castration.

            Don’t believe me?

            “A rising number of female-affirmed transgender adolescents are being treated with gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogues and subsequently cross-sex hormones at early or mid-puberty, with vaginoplasty as the presumed final step in their physical transition.”

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28325535/

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonadotropin-releasing_hormone_agonist

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            If it is a recognized condition in the DSM..and care is offered by specialists in that field, is that “encouraging” gender-affirming care?

          8. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Poisoning a person is attempted murder and illegal. We still “encourage” people with cancer to take chemotherapy. Funny how that works, eh?

          9. I know people taking chemotherapy. The diagnosis is based on multiple tests.

            Can you imagine the state of affairs if doctors started prescribing chemotherapy to patients who just said they had cancer, with no objective way to verify?

            That’s the current method of diagnosis that leads to gender affirming care which by definition includes “medical interventions” like the same exact drugs used for chemical castration.

            What’s worse is that online activists are coaching young children about exactly what to say when questioned by doctors. They are coached to lie to them. We have the testimony of those who are now de-transitioning.

            So there’s no objective lab test, and the conversations with doctors may be contaminated with advocate coaching.

            That doesn’t bother you?

          10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Are you a psychiatrist? You know they are MDs, right?

          11. Of course I know the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist. That’s irrelevant.

            A medical degree does not confer upon the holder magical powers to discern transgenderism, for which there is no objective test. Additionally, discussions with the patient are often tainted by coaching from transgender activists, and therefore suspect.

          12. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “A medical degree does not confer upon the holder magical powers to discern transgenderism…”

            So you trust a MD to diagnose and provide you treatment safely for cancer but not to diagnose and provide treatment safely for gender dysphoria. Sorry, that simply does not track.

          13. There are proven tests for cancer and treatments have gone through appropriately controlled clinical trials.

            Not so for GD.

            CHEMOTHERAPY
            Displaying 748 studies

            https://www.mayo.edu/research/clinical-trials/tests-procedures/chemotherapy/

          14. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You don’t think puberty blockers have gone through clinical trials…??

            https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/nda/2007/022058s000_SumR.pdf

          15. You obviously haven’t read the document you just linked to.

            That document shows studies “for the treatment of central precocious puberty” NOT gender dysphoria.

            I do not object to puberty blockers for precocious puberty. That’s what it was approved by the FDA for. Using it for gender dysphoria is an off label use.

          16. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            The DRUG has been through clinical trials for blocking puberty which is what it is used for when treating GD. The use, dosage, efficacy, and side effects are well documented and understood. It’s not like it is a veterinary deworming medicine being used to attempt to treat human airborne viral infections. How common is off label use in medicine today? Again one sees it routinely with cancer treatment.

            https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/drugs/off-label

          17. This is one of your oddest statements recently. Chemotherapy is used to “poison” the cancer cells, not the individual.

          18. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Having seen what it did to my father, I can aver that chemotherapy is a form of poison and it does great damage to the entire body while it attempts to cure the illness. But if you don’t believe me, here:

            https://www.illinoisscience.org/blog/chemotherapy-is-poison/#:~:text=Nitrogen%20mustard%2C%20like%20mustard%20gas,are%20chemicals%20that%20kill%20cells.

          19. At least chemotherapy went through clinical trials to ensure that more people were helped than harmed.

            Clinical trials with appropriate controls are sadly lacking in studies of gender dysphoria patients
            receiving pubertal suppression.

            Follow-up studies now show:

            Nevertheless, this secondary analysis of Reliable and Clinically Significant
            Change of the UK GIDS data indicates that, broadly speaking, for Internalising and Externalising Problems, 56%-68% experience no reliable change in distress across time points and although there is some variation, proportions do not appear markedly
            different between self-report and parent-report. Between 15% and 29% deteriorate; and between 9% and 20% reliably improve. The Total Problems scale shows higher
            proportions deteriorating (20%-34% depending on time point).

            https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2023/08/08/2023.05.30.23290763.full.pdf

          20. At least chemotherapy went through clinical trials to ensure that more people were helped than harmed.

            Clinical trials with appropriate controls are sadly lacking in studies of gender dysphoria patients
            receiving pubertal suppression.

            Follow-up studies now show:

            Nevertheless, this secondary analysis of Reliable and Clinically Significant
            Change of the UK GIDS data indicates that, broadly speaking, for Internalising and Externalising Problems, 56%-68% experience no reliable change in distress across time points and although there is some variation, proportions do not appear markedly
            different between self-report and parent-report. Between 15% and 29% deteriorate; and between 9% and 20% reliably improve. The Total Problems scale shows higher
            proportions deteriorating (20%-34% depending on time point).

            https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2023/08/08/2023.05.30.23290763.full.pdf

          21. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “At least chemotherapy went through clinical trials to ensure that more people were helped than harmed.”

            You have never heard of experimental cancer treatments?

          22. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “At least chemotherapy went through clinical trials to ensure that more people were helped than harmed.”

            You have never heard of experimental cancer treatments?

          23. Experimental treatments are clearly understood to be experimental. This shouldn’t be so hard to understand.

            At the opposite end of the spectrum are Standards of Care which are normally based on proven treatments that have been through clinical trials.

            There’s an appropriate order in medicine. Experimental treatments, clinical trials, studies, THEN admission into Standards of Care.

            That’s why the U.K. has suspended routine use of puberty blockers to children until studies prove their benefit.

            LONDON — The publicly funded health service in England has decided it will not routinely offer puberty-blocking drugs to children at gender identity clinics, saying more evidence is needed about the potential benefits and harms.

            https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/englands-health-service-give-puberty-blockers-children-gender-99992674#:~:text=Interest%20Successfully%20Added-,England%20health%20service%20won't%20give%20puberty,to%20children%20at%20gender%20clinics&text=LONDON%20%2D%2D%20The%20publicly%20funded,the%20potential%20benefits%20and%20harms.

          24. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Puberty blockers have been approved by the FDA since the early 90’s. They are not experimental. My point was that cancer treatments are routinely used without clinical trials on the drug counter to your statement. And don’t get me started on off-label uses of drugs these days…

          25. Puberty blockers have been tested and approved to delay puberty.

            The efficacy of delaying puberty for gender dysphoria has not been through clinical trials to show that it is more beneficial than other treatments.

          26. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “Puberty blockers have been tested and approved to delay puberty”

            Which is exactly how they are used in GD treatment.

          27. “Which is exactly how they are used in GD treatment.”

            No.

            If the malady is precocious puberty, then delayed puberty may be considered a measure of success.

            If the malady is gender dysphoria, then it must be proven to effectively treat gender dysphoria in a positive way. It must also show long-term benefits over GD therapies that do not use puberty blockers.

            This ain’t cutting it:

            “Between 15% and 29% deteriorate; and between 9% and 20% reliably improve. The Total Problems scale shows higher proportions deteriorating (20%-34% depending on time point).”

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          twas that way with homsexuality, no?

    2. How many of those who identify as transgender today will feel that way 10, 20 or 30 years from now?

      Caution is warranted.

      Puberty blockers will only be prescribed to children attending gender identity services as part of clinical research, NHS England has announced.

      The move comes after an interim report into children’s gender services said there were “gaps in evidence” around the drugs.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65860272

    3. How many of those who identify as transgender today will feel that way 10, 20 or 30 years from now?

      Caution is warranted.

      Puberty blockers will only be prescribed to children attending gender identity services as part of clinical research, NHS England has announced.

      The move comes after an interim report into children’s gender services said there were “gaps in evidence” around the drugs.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65860272

  2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    “Shrier is reviled because she regards the unprecedented surge of transgender identity among adolescent girls as a cultural contagion…”
    interesting, seen this maybe

  3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    “Shrier is reviled because she regards the unprecedented surge of transgender identity among adolescent girls as a cultural contagion…”
    interesting, seen this maybe

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    Respectfully , this sounds ever so much like how we handled homosexuality when it finally came out of hiding.

    Not that long ago at all – “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”.. and look at the folks who didn’t care an wanted them booted… no matter what, still do… never completely really accepted.

    The question was and is… is it “more” of it or was it there all along and was afraid of coming out precisely because of the reception it is now getting?

    Some response to homosexuality was to basically believe it was a “choice” or they were confused… we even had “treatment” programs to “help” them get over it.

    The question with transgender is the same. Do we want to believe it’s “rare” and in doing so not believe the folks who say they are living with it?

    Our responses to it… even in Virginia schools is not exactly supportive of those who are affected by it IMO.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Just need camps…

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        “conversion therapy”…

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          I actually have a funny answer, but can’t say it.

    2. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Welcome back Larry. We needed more wrong waste of time responses.
      You do not “support” someone by helping them continue a mental problem. You don’t give morbidly obese a lifetime supply of Krispy Kreme. You don’t let the alcoholic live in the Jack Daniels distillery. Every cell in the body is male or female. Even after “transitioning,” the transitioner never completes the journey and requires a lifetime of hormones and other expensive care, to be made more unhappy and more likely to commit suicide.

    3. DJRippert Avatar

      Homosexuality never included irreversible surgery for children.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        don’t disagree but it’s a recognized condition that has approved medical treatments though
        that may be changing.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “ One critic described her work as “a fear-filled screed, full of misinformation, biological and medical inaccuracies, logical fallacies, and propaganda.” Perhaps. I’m no expert. But I found her credible.”

    No surprise. You read and cite Rufo.

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Shrier is reviled because she regards the unprecedented surge of transgender identity among adolescent girls as a cultural contagion…”

    Yes, yes. Because everyone knows that women are frail, fickle creatures driven by their monthly hysterias, and who better to tell the world women cannot be trusted about themselves than a woman, eh?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A3zetSuYRg

    1. I do miss Luciano Pavarotti.

      When driving alone, I sometimes listen to him and sing along. If only…

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    so.. it’s not “normal” so it shouldn’t be real … and if it is , then the folks who say they are… need some “help” in better “understanding” themselves and who they are… That’s the way that deniers deal with tough issues… just make it go away!

  8. This fits into the same category as the historic fear of parents that if they raised their sons incorrectly, they would become homosexual.

    Fear of the Queer Child

    This article is about the fear of the queer child — the fear that exposing children to homosexuality and gender variance makes them more likely to develop homosexual desires, engage in homosexual acts, deviate from traditional gender norms, or identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. This fear is thousands of years old, but it has undergone a remarkable transformation in the last half-century, in response to the rise of the LGBT movement. For centuries, the fear had been articulated specifically in sexual terms, as a belief that children would be seduced into queerness by adults. Since the 1970s, it has been reformulated in the more palatable and plausible terms of indoctrination, role modeling, and public approval.

    https://dc.law.utah.edu/scholarship/183/

  9. Matt Adams Avatar

    Childhood is difficult, social media has done nothing but make it more complex. When mommy and daddy are more concerned with “insert social cause here” a child will lash out and look for a way to garner theirs parents attention and affirmation.

    Leave any and all physical/hormonal modifications till after adulthood, let children be children.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      What? Kids have never rebelled against authority or the dominant cultural norms before!

      1. Matt Adams Avatar

        Cyclical, almost like other items people refuse to believe :).

      2. Yes, some things remain the same, but the speed and magnitude of recent societal change is unprecedented .

        When you and I grew up, the influence of the family was great, and external influences had limits. Today, there are almost unlimited social interactions via social media 24/7.

        My wife and I limited “screen time” for our children, and encouraged them to get outdoors, read, etc. We also spent time with them uninterrupted by smartphone intrusions. That didn’t prevent problems during adolescence, but I believe it helped.

  10. So why not transracialism?

    Yes, people are suffering. But are we helping or hurting?

    Read the entire story.

    In our age, it has become a widely accepted truism that identity is self-determined. And yet, few have been willing to tread into the menacing waters of transracialism. While the gender transitions of Caitlyn Jenner and Elliot Paige are celebrated with praise for their courage, transracials like Rachel Dolezal and Raquel Evita Sarawati are publicly flagellated for the cardinal sin of cultural appropriation. In Gender Madness–part memoir, part tirade against trans ideology–Oli London takes on our society’s complicated relationship with “self ID.”

    In the new tell all book, the British K-pop singer and media personality recounts his experience undergoing over 30 surgeries to become a Korean woman and then transition back to being a caucasian male. He begins by painting a vividly heart-wrenching picture of his childhood growing up on the secluded countryside outside of London, with a gruff, abusive father and sensitive mother. Disinterested in aggressive play, he took to his mum’s gentleness and compassion and made friends with female classmates. To avoid the horrendous cruelty of schoolyard bullies, he hid away in the classroom during playtime and buried his nose in his studies.

    https://www.realclearbooks.com/articles/2023/09/15/malleable_identities_978819.html

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    My dollar to your dime that soon they will find the gene sequence that determines the author’s “real” transgenderism.

    Heck, they may have already, but as they say, “read the room”.

    Genetic scientists know that if they tell every new parent of an affected newborn, “Well Mr. and Mrs. Smith, your child will not have to worry about ALS or Huntington’s or any of the items on this list, but she does carry the transgenderism gene so you might want to prepare for the developmental issues just in case,” then the number of infanticides is likely to go up.

    1. “My dollar to your dime that soon they will find the gene sequence that determines the author’s “real” transgenderism.”

      Until then, let’s stop pretending that day has arrived. It has not.

      I would also suggest that research be done by objective parties, not individuals with an agenda on one side or another.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        You know for certain it has not?

        1. You make me laugh. I’m sure all the trans activists would concent to keep it secret.

          Can you prove that Bigfoot hasn’t been discovered?

          Can you prove that unicorns haven’t been discovered somewhere?

          Loch Ness Monster?

  12. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    College kids have reached the age of majority. What they do in this regard they are free to do. If the want to cut something off or take drugs to change their hormones, go for it. For younger children, the schools are dead wrong to try to block out the parents and those children have no “right” on their own, being still children. Puberty blocking drugs are as evil as fentanyl, and driven by the same level of greed.

    This remains a fascinating sociological and anthropological phenomenon. I don’t care who they take to bed and what they do there, but clearly something is going on. My observation is it is driven by peer pressure and social media. The insistence on recognition by others, the huge offense if somebody calls them by the wrong pronoun, too me is a clear psychological symptom. Dare one raise the Freudian term neurosis? Gender is indeed cultural, but sex is pure biology.

    Their grandparents gathering in a room at UVA to wring their hands over this is kinda pathetic.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      In terms of the schools and who does what.

      the kid whose parents are beating the tar out of him/her or abusing them.. the role of teachers and schools?

      any similarities to prior years when a kid who was homosexual was afraid to tell his parents?

      Don’t know about your neck of the woods but our social services dept seems overwhelmed with cases involving parental abuse and irresponsibility that was often discovered at school.

      I wonder if the same folks who say schools should be involved would also say that social services should not either.

      We do have Conservatives in our BOS who have argued that… in fact….threatened funding over it.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        If a teacher knows or even thinks a child is being abused the law is clear — they call the cops. They must report it under pain of penalty. If the trained CPS folks can’t handle the situation, you want to dump it on teachers? No.

      2. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        If a teacher knows or even thinks a child is being abused the law is clear — they call the cops. They must report it under pain of penalty. If the trained CPS folks can’t handle the situation, you want to dump it on teachers? No.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          The opposite. Parents do NOT have 100% absolute control over their kids. We HAVE laws that determine when parents have failed to properly care for their kids… and that law actually does depend on schools and teachers to determine when that is suspected. Ask yourself who decided
          that teachers should decide rather than parents?

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Not the parents who beat their kids! Locked in the closets, maybe?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            WHO decides what is the proper care of a child? Always and only the parents? Social Services is something few people pay much attention to, but many are overwhelmed with trying to protect kids from folks that are supposed to be parents. It’s NOT “rare”. It’s common.

            ” During State Fiscal Year (SFY) 2021, there were 30,223 approved reports of child abuse or neglect completed by Virginia’s city and county departments of social services. There were 52,263 children involved as possible victims in those completed reports. There were 1,320 reports of substance-exposed infants.”

            that’s about 200 per county/city in Virginia.

          3. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Larry, here is what the VA Code says. I read it to be similar to a red flag law for firearms. Notice the requirement to notify the parents.

            § 63.2-1517. Authority to take child into custody.
            A. A physician or child-protective services worker of a local department or law-enforcement official investigating a report or complaint of abuse and neglect may take a child into custody for up to 72 hours without prior approval of parents or guardians provided:

            1. The circumstances of the child are such that continuing in his place of residence or in the care or custody of the parent, guardian, custodian or other person responsible for the child’s care, presents an imminent danger to the child’s life or health to the extent that severe or irremediable injury would be likely to result or if evidence of abuse is perishable or subject to deterioration before a hearing can be held;

            2. A court order is not immediately obtainable;

            3. The court has set up procedures for placing such children;

            4. Following taking the child into custody, the parents or guardians are notified as soon as practicable. Every effort shall be made to provide such notice in person;

            5. A report is made to the local department; and

            6. The court is notified and the person or agency taking custody of such child obtains, as soon as possible, but in no event later than 72 hours, an emergency removal order pursuant to § 16.1-251; however, if a preliminary removal order is issued after a hearing held in accordance with § 16.1-252 within 72 hours of the removal of the child, an emergency removal order shall not be necessary. Any person or agency petitioning for an emergency removal order after four hours have elapsed following taking custody of the child shall state the reasons therefor pursuant to § 16.1-251.

            B. If the 72-hour period for holding a child in custody and for obtaining a preliminary or emergency removal order expires on a Saturday, Sunday, or legal holiday or day on which the court is lawfully closed, the 72 hours shall be extended to the next day that is not a Saturday, Sunday, or legal holiday or day on which the court is lawfully closed.

            C. A child-protective services worker of a local department responding to a complaint or report of abuse and neglect for purposes of sex trafficking or severe forms of trafficking may take a child into custody and the local department may maintain custody of the child for up to 72 hours without prior approval of a parent or guardian, provided that the alleged victim child or children have been identified as a victim or victims of sex trafficking or a victim or victims of severe forms of trafficking as defined in the federal Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 (22 U.S.C. § 7101 et seq.) and in the federal Justice for Victims of Trafficking Act of 2015 (P.L. 114-22). After taking the child into custody, the local department shall notify the parent or guardian of such child as soon as practicable. Every effort shall be made to provide such notice in person. The local department shall also notify the Child-Protective Services Unit within the Department whenever a child is taken into custody.

            D. When a child is taken into custody by a child-protective services worker of a local department pursuant to subsection C, that child shall be returned as soon as practicable to the custody of his parent or guardian. However, the local department shall not be required to return the child to his parent or guardian if the circumstances are such that continuing in his place of residence or in the care or custody of such parent or guardian, or custodian or other person responsible for the child’s care, presents an imminent danger to the child’s life or health to the extent that severe or irremediable injury would be likely to result or if the evidence of abuse is perishable or subject to deterioration before a hearing can be held. If the local department cannot return the child to the custody of his parents or guardians within 72 hours, the local department shall obtain an emergency removal order pursuant to § 16.1-251.

            1975, c. 341, § 63.1-248.9; 1977, c. 559; 1992, c. 688; 1994, c. 643; 1998, c. 760; 2001, c. 837; 2002, c. 747; 2003, c. 508; 2019, cc. 381, 687.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Right. These are the rules once it is determined to take action. I’m asking PRIOR to that who is involved with suspecting a problem and taking action to do the process that follows?

            ” A physician or child-protective services worker of a local department or law-enforcement official investigating a report or complaint of abuse and neglect may take a child into custody for up to 72 hours without prior approval of parents or guardians, provided:”

            Very often, it is the teacher who sees the kid every day for most of the day.

          5. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Any reasonably suspected abuse or neglect of a child should be reported to the police and social services (child protective services). But absent this type of action, the state cannot lawfully interfere with a parent’s decisions in raising a child.

            If school officials see evidence of serious transgender issues (versus stray comments designed to fit in with the latest fad) and of parental abuse or neglect related to the former, school officials should report this to authorities with jurisdiction. When there is reasonable evidence of both factors, I can see the reason not to notify the parents. The police, CPS and the courts can deal with the parents.

            But absent reasonable evidence of abuse or neglect at home, the schools should not take it upon themselves to deny parents information. Parents are responsible for making key decisions about their kids, not schools. And, until the woke realize and accept this, there will be more and more lawsuits against the schools and their personnel.

          6. DJRippert Avatar

            “We HAVE laws that determine when parents have failed to properly care for their kids…”

            And those laws, at least in Virginia, have nothing to do with mandating that parents accept every whim their children engage in.

            It is not child abuse to insist that your male child wear boy’s clothes to school.

            It is not child abuse to insist that your child not undergo drug treatment or irreversible surgery because, at 15, they think they are the other gender.

            No, Larry – none of that is in the code of Virginia.

            But this is …

            “A parent has a fundamental right to make decisions concerning the upbringing, education, and care of the parent’s child.”

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            I think you may have missed my point with respect to the idea that “parents have absolute control”.

            They don’t. The State has a role in determining if they are not abused and teachers play a role in suspecting abuse.

            Finally, if a child is 13 or 14 .. less than 18 and is having issues involving gender and the parent refuses to help, some kids become detached from their parents even if they remain at home and some will gravitate towards others they trust and some may run away. A parent who is not responding to distress in their kids is not exactly performing as they should IMO but it does happen with parents who cannot or will not conceive that their child may be a homosexual or transgender and essentially abandons them.

    2. Adults have the right to totally ruin their lives, but I see no need to encourage that. I believe our institutions are becoming a destructive influence in many ways.

      In my personal life I tend to mind my own business, but I actively avoid drinking with drunks for example. Nor will I encourage any other behavior that I find to be self destructive.

      If colleges won’t be supportive of parents wishes, they might at least try to be neutral with respect to decisions that may prove to be disastrous for young people.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Social media may well influence your child way more than the “institutions” some believe are “destructive”.

        It’s interesting watching Conservatives
        deal with social media influence of their kids with respect to how much involvement the government should have.

        In fact, what are the chances that some kids might use social media to find out about transgender issues and whether they might be?

        If your kid has a phone… there is “competition” for who they will listen to and depending on the relationship with the parent maybe others win out over the parents. Forget the idea that teachers “indoctrinate”.

        1. “In fact, what are the chances that some kids might use social media to find out about transgender issues and whether they might be?”

          Another fact. Children are being coached on social media to lie, and exactly what to tell doctors to get them to believe they are transgender.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      XXX, XYY, …. Have at. Do any of these lead to transgenderism? Don’t know, but not everyone is as perfectly developed as we.

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9396296/

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        ah the “science”… can’t trust it these days, right?

        dang science is getting in the way of what we want to believe!

      2. how_it_works Avatar
        how_it_works

        How prevalent are those sex chromosome disorders? Last I saw, they estimated something like 1 in 1000.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Which, so is the author. How many live births are there yearly in the US? Now, divide by 1000. Still a big number.

          1. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Some of them, though, have such subtle effects that they aren’t diagnosed till later in life, if ever. XYY is one such, according to what I read.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Sterility? Subtle?

          3. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            ” Five to 10 children with 47,XYY syndrome are born in the United States each day. Many affected individuals are never diagnosed or not diagnosed until later in life.”

            “Usually, men with XYY syndrome have normal sexual development and fertility. But in some cases, they may have decreased sperm count with immature sperm cells. Such men are still fertile but may have issues in impregnating their partner.”

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Yep. The world and the beings on it ain’t perfect. XX and XY ain’t the only flavors in the ice cream parlor.

            Kids are also born with crossed up genitalia. XX with exterior plumbing and XY with the modern stuff.

          5. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Most of the others result in some pretty obvious intellectual impairments, from what I’ve read.

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I guess I find it remarkable that not a pulpit in the world suggests that man is perfect, but when it comes to sex there are only two possibilities each and every time.

          7. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            It seems like genetic testing might be a good part of the medical management of this sort of thing.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            so if the genes match up with the condition… ?

          9. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Seems like it’d be a good idea to find out if the patient has Klinefelter syndrome or something else before deciding that what they really need to fix their condition is a sex change operation.

            A sex change operation isn’t going to do diddly squat for the problems that go along with Klinefelter.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            Well.. for ALL of it, need to seek medical advice not culture war “advice”.

          11. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            What? Susceptibility to religion? Agreed! 😊

          12. If we remember that sex got started in the first place for the bacteria to double the chance for healthy genes to be passed to offspring the two possibilities make a lot of sense. That doesn’t mean that other variations have not had their adherents over the millennia, just that they don’t hit that biologic imperative,

          13. Seems that the plumbing and neurology go in at different stages of fetal development, A couple of times a thousand they get their signals crossed. Those folks are truly distressed and need help sorting it out ranging from insight to surgery.

            The much larger phenomena we’ve got today is not so based and would benefit from a big dose of rationality rather than the ranting that we all accept biological impossibility or we’re at best transphobic.

          14. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I got hit between the eyes a couple of weeks ago where I was accused of sexual discrimination resulting from a post. It was from an ASEXUAL (that’s the A in LBGTQA…). I still can’t wrap my head around it. I’m still flummoxed. Is it really a thing? Has anyone ever been discriminated against because they are asexual? How is that even possible?

          15. I’ve suspected the As may mostly be incels who are grumpy about it, but who knows. The drive to reproduce goes in early, it’s primal. Dunno how you miss it on the assembly line, but I’m pretty sure it’s possible. Could also be an understandable reaction by people who have been sexually abused.

            Dunno how you’d be discriminated against if you didn’t bring the topic up in the first place.

          16. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Yes, literally, wear a hat and nobody will know.

      3. This proves nothing! You are getting WAY ahead of your skis on this.

        There are mutations and anomalies with every gene. That doesn’t justify saying that any unproven theory about a genetic linkage is justified.

        Science is about proving theories one way or another, not jumping to premature conclusions about what might or might not be proven in the years to come.

  13. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I know that some will make the argument that treatment be withheld until adulthood because kids rebel against cultural norms, but this leaves that (according to the author) “less than 1 in a thousand real transgender” children to suffer the effort to reverse time often to a lesser outcome. Would those people suggest not correcting other kinds of anomalies until adulthood? How about cleft lips?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      oh heck, what about this: Circumcision

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Oh, but you see, that’s Daddy’s mutilation of his son. Looks better, don’t ya know.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          AND…. MEDICALLY APPROVED! 😉

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