The Tide Celebrates Ten Years of Waste

The Tide light rail in downtown Norfolk. Photo by Dean Covey, Virginia Department of Transportation.

by Randal O’Toole

The Tide, Norfolk’s light-rail line, has been open to the public for ten years. As noted in this article in The Virginian-Pilot, it opened 18 months late after a 60% cost overrun.

The article claims the light-rail line carried its first million rides “five months ahead of original projections,” but that’s a transit agency lie. The original projections estimated that the rail line would carry 10,400 riders per weekday in its opening year. That would be about 1 million riders in less than four months. In fact, it carried less than half that, just 4,900 riders per weekday in its first year, and took eight months to reach 1 million riders.

In a typical transit-agency lie, Hampton Roads Transit later reduced that projection to 2,900 trips per weekday, and then claimed that was the “original” projection. This made it appear to anyone who didn’t look closely at the numbers that the line was doing well.

In fact, not only did it do poorly in its first year, it only went downhill from there. By 2019, seven years after it opened, ridership was down to 4,641 trips per weekday.

Despite this complete failure by every possible measure, Hampton Roads Transit wants to extend it by 2.2 miles to a local mall, which Norfolk planners want to convert — with the help of tax-increment financing and other subsidies — into a high-density, mixed-use development. Transit planners say it will take eight years to plan and build the light-rail line, which is insane in itself since they could start running a limited-stop bus there tomorrow.

One of the major problems with urban planning is that planners are unable to learn from their mistakes or the mistakes of their peers in other cities. Instead, mistakes get locked in because the few people who benefit from them form stronger lobbying groups to keep the mistakes going than are formed by the many more people who are harmed, mainly because the benefits to the few are large while the cost to the many are individually small.

Light rail was a mistake from the beginning. As I’ve repeatedly noted before, it was rendered obsolete in 1927, when the first rear-engine buses were developed that were less expensive to buy and less expensive to operate than rail transit. Buses can also move far more people per hour than rail.

Norfolk light rail is particularly pathetic. In 2019, it carried an average of 12.4 people per 68-seat railcar (that is, 12.4 passenger-miles per vehicle-revenue mile), less than any other light-rail system in the country. Fares covered less than 14% of operating costs, not the lowest but well below the 22% average for light rail nationwide. These numbers are all from before the pandemic, but as of June, 2021, ridership was still 58% less than 2019 numbers, which means trains were emptier and fares covered even less of the cost of running the Tide.

Light rail never made sense in Norfolk. As one transit enthusiast observes, even light-rail advocates admit that it requires population densities of about 30 people per acre near the rail stations. Norfolk averages just 5.

The pandemic should make it clear to anyone who didn’t believe it before: people don’t want to live in high-density, mixed-use developments, which is why cities have to subsidize them. People don’t want to travel on slow mass transit lines that don’t go where they want to go, which is why transit fares cover less than a quarter of its costs. Helping poor people, relieving congestion, and saving the planet from climate change are all worthwhile aspirations, but don’t expect obsolete forms of transportation and housing to do it for you.

Randal O’Toole is an economist with 45 years of experience critiquing public land, urban, transportation and other government plans. This column is republished with permission from his blog, The Antiplanner.


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19 responses to “The Tide Celebrates Ten Years of Waste”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    re: ” The pandemic should make it clear to anyone who didn’t believe it before: people don’t want to live in high-density, mixed-use developments, which is why cities have to subsidize them.”

    Been waiting to hear from JAB on this ……. has he changed his view on the issue.

    Perhaps word should also be passed to NoVa where density and economic powerhouse for Virginia seem to go hand in hand even if also referred to as a hell-hole of auto congestion and another fiscal failure -Metro.

    Very hard to try to reconcile all this.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, the solution to high density living is suburban sprawl.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        It’s a conundrum. We have commuter rail – VRE – and many consider it a success but if you look at the dollar/subsidy aspect , it’s significant also.

        But if you look at that same number of people added to I-95 every day , eyes roll – also.

        Transit is more like schools and police which are also “subsidized” and even the most severe critics who always talk about waste and too much subsidy, almost NEVER talk about what is the “correct” amount.

    2. Regarding high-density, mixed-use development, I am fully in favor when such development is supported by the marketplace.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Can’t have high-density, mixed-use development without govt-financed infrastructure.

        Not a single city has been developed and run as a private enterprise. Right?

  2. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    When our son was in St. Louis assigned to Scott AFB we used that light rail system while visiting. Ran from near the base out in Illinois through StL out to the airport, and at the time seemed well used. Then when I saw the Tide, going from nowhere to nowhere, I knew it was doomed. Did it ever extend to the navy base? A list of all the politicians who rode this boondoggle to a Virginia Retirement System pension would be useful….

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Light-rail can be effective if it’s designed properly will well thought-out and agreed upon goals.

      The fact that The Tides were completed almost 2 years behind schedule and at a cost over run of 60%, just indicates they employed Lowest Price Technically Acceptable method was used. That they were subject to change orders, when that product wasn’t what they wanted.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        So, just tried to get a Tide route map and it proved difficult. Do they want riders? Search the Boston T and see all the maps…no such clarity here.

        As I suspected, it goes from nowhere to nowhere, connecting no major destination to downtown Norfolk. Not the navy base, naval shipyard, the airport, and of course not the oceanfront. Worthless.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          The last time I spent any time in Norfolk was 2013. The only two destinations that weren’t nowhere, were MacArthur Center and the Tides Baseball stadium.

          Which isn’t even a mile and would be faster than sitting on a trolley subject to street lights.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Don’t need an MTA map. Just ask any Bostonian… they’re all friendly and will even carry your bags.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      and I’ll bet dollars to donuts that Conservatives in St. Louis make the SAME “waste” arguments about that light rail.

      right?

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I will readily admit that this is not an area for which I have much knowledge. With that caveat, it seems two circumstances have greatly hampered the Hampton Roads Light Rail. One, the inexplicable failure to link the line with probably Norfolk’s largest employer, the Naval Station, and with the airport. Two, the failure to extend the line to the Beachfront, due to its defeat in referendum by voters. See this Virginia Pilot and draw your own conclusions as to the reasons. https://www.pilotonline.com/news/transportation/article_63c21801-1388-541a-821e-0309c932b2ca.html

    The lack of density probably also contributed.

    It is interesting that Richmond is being held up as a success in this arena. https://ggwash.org/view/74754/norfolk-plans-to-turn-the-tide-on-its-transit

    By the way, I wonder if those original ridership projections cited by Mr. O’Toole, who holds them up as an example of transit officials “lying”, were based on Virginia Beach being included in the system, with folks being able to take the train for a day at the beach. With the defeat by Virginia Beach voters of light rail, those original ridership projections would not longer be valid.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Dick, you will recognize this syndrome.

      The money for the Tide was spent by Norfolk because the authorization for it was about to expire. No other reason.

      Between the time the plans were submitted that led to the authorization and the time the money was claimed and spent, the rosy rationale for it had collapsed.

      The transit folks knew it was going from nowhere to nowhere, but that is all the money would pay for after the cost overruns. Those “overruns”, by the way, were the result of conscious rosy underestimation of the costs in the original submission.

      In other words, transit planning 101.

      See the Corps of Engineers subsequent plans for flooding mitigation in Norfolk for further proof of the insanity of Tide planning. Turned out that Tide was an appropriate name.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Similar arguments are made for virtually every transit/subway/light rail system in the US.

        I’ve never heard the critics cite an existing system they say is the RIGHT WAY to do transit.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Larry the Hater. You invent a parody of conservatives and attack that, lacking evidence. Plenty of mass transit systems enjoy broad support. Nobody with brain, left, right or indifferent, ever thought what Norfolk was doing made the least bit of sense. It is the classic example of Total Planning Failure, with no political lens needed. Your defense of its proves you put no thought into your positions, just react.

          This conservative can’t wait to get back on the Paris Metro. 🙂 And yes, I’ll be on the T in a few days (but will keep my hands on my bag, as I do in Paris.) No idea what the local thought of the St. Louis system, which was actually just one line from the Illinois side right through town out west to the airport. Pretty simple.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            No Hate, just the truth. Conservatives do not exactly support transit/subways/rail. At least, I’ve never seen from Conservatives a list of the “good” ones they support and holding them up as the RIGHT way to do it.

            You talk about motives.

            I talk about the facts.

            When I see your blog post highlighting a GOOD transit/rail/subway system and talking about how it does it RIGHT, then maybe I’ll think you’re not the HATER!

            Buck up boy. You don’t need to be personal. Just deal with the issue ad the facts if you can.

          2. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            The facts here are this was a stupid transit system from the start, not connecting the key locations of the region, and the riders are staying away in droves. Even pre-pandemic. Those are hard numbers. What level of subsidy is a good use of money can be debated with other systems, but in looking at the issue, this is the baseline failure for comparison. You are the one running away from facts.

            The BRT system in Richmond, in comparison, has very logical connections and was getting good ridership before COVID. But I’d like to see the $$ behind it.

            If somebody wrote a post about flower gardens you’d try to attack conservatives. A post about chocolate cakes. You’ve got one thing, you beat it to death, and I’m the last one taking time to answer you. And just because I’m procrastinating. 🙂

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Nope. I just call them as they really are and when it comes to transit/rail, nary a good word comes from Conservatives.

            If Conservatives would start off saying “this is a bad system” and then they followed it and said, “this is a good system and the way transit rail should be done”.

            But they NEVER DO THAT !

            Yes, the reason you claim the “chocolate” argument is that BR is all about how Conservatives think and so it really is a target-rich environment!

            Sometimes, I think, you are actually on the edge of admitting it on some issues…. but then you falter…..

            gawd knows you don’t want to be called a CINO!

            😉

  4. James V Koch Avatar
    James V Koch

    Alas, I am forced to do it again. At least the second largest source of riders would be Old Dominion University, 24,000 students. But the Tide, citing costs, does not intend to go there.

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