The Sterile Debate over High-Speed Rail

by James A. Bacon

Thomas R. Frantz, CEO of the Williams Mullen law firm and board member of the Virginians for High Speed Rail, paints a picture to Times-Dispatch reporter Michael Martz of what it would be like if Virginia had good inter-city rail connections. He imagines riding The Tide light rail line from his law office in Virginia Beach to Norfolk’s Harbor Park, where he could catch a train to Main Street Station in Richmond. From there, it would be a walk of several blocks to the law firm’s headquarters building.

Undoubtedly, many other people would like the same convenience. I, for one, would enjoy taking the train to Norfolk to visit my parents, who live one block from The Tide’s terminus in downtown Norfolk. My family also likes to travel to Washington, D.C., and, less frequently, New York, and it is nice to dispense with the car on such trips. Moreover, I think it makes far more sense to locate an inter-city rail station in downtown Richmond rather than a dismal commercial strip on Staples Mill Road in Henrico County.

Yes, inter-city rail to downtown Richmond would be nice. But would Mr. Frantz be willing to pay what it costs to cover the up-front capital improvements — estimated at $300 million by City of Richmond officials and $600 million by Department of Rail and Public Transportation Director Thelma Drake — as well as the operating costs for the rail service? Martz doesn’t tell us what the cost of subsidized versus un-subsidized ticket would be. If the ticket price for the Richmond-to-Norfolk trip went much higher than $50 per person, I’d just as soon take my family in a car.

High-speed inter-city rail is one of those ideas that sounds great when somebody else is paying for it but not so great if you have to pay the full cost yourself. Moreover, unlike rail transit, where stations create significant wealth for neighboring landowners that can be tapped to help cover the capital costs, real estate developers don’t appear to be willing to pay a premium to locate near inter-city rail stations.

Remarkably, government and civic leaders in the Richmond region have elevated inter-city rail to the top of their list of regional priorities, even though there is no chance that the state can find the money and next-to-no chance that the feds will cough it up.

Former City Council President Bill Pantele sums up the case for the high-speed rail lobby, “It’s good for the public. It’s good for the economy. It’s good for the environment.” I like Bill, and I think he was a good City Council president, but I have to ask an impertinent question: Inter-city rail may be good for everyone if it were free, but how good can it be — how much economic value is it creating — if ticket sales cover only a tenth or a fifth of the full cost (not just the operating cost) of  providing the service? That sounds like it would be bad for the economy.

Now, the inter-city rail enthusiasts have one good come-back. The commonwealth is subsidizing roads and highways, why not inter-city rail? That’s very true. Once upon a time, it could be said that roads and highways paid their own way through the motor fuels tax. But a reluctance to raise the highly visible gas tax has prompted politicians to subsidize roads by means of a wide range of taxes. Most of those taxes are automobile-related — taxes on the sale of vehicles, taxes on drivers licenses — but they have been supplemented increasingly in recent years by the General Fund and other sources.

The pro-rail lobby also can argue that rail has fewer externalities, or spillover costs incurred by society. I agree that there is a value to curtailing gasoline/aviation fuel consumption, reducing imports of foreign oil and cutting the resulting pollution.

It strikes me, however, that the debate over high-speed rail specifically, and transportation policy generally, is totally incoherent. First, so many costs are diffused, hidden or hard to calculate that no one knows the true cost of anything. Second, there is absolutely no effort by anyone (other than the lone crusader, Fairfax Del. Jim LeMunyon) to prioritize transportation projects by Return on Investment. Without an impartial methodology for ranking transportation projects by ROI, there simply can be no intelligent conversation. In an analytical vacuum, capital funding will be allocated on the basis of special interest politics and log-rolling with a bias toward high-visibility projects that generate headlines, if not passengers.

And third, there is no acknowledgment of transportation alternatives, such as the burgeoning inter-city bus industry. How much would a bus company charge to convey Mr. Frantz from Virginia Beach directly to downtown Richmond in accommodations as commodious as a train — without public subsidies of any kind? If no such service currently exists, what does that say about the size and viability of the market for that service?

Bacon’s Rebellion — asking the questions no one else dares ask.


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  1. larryg Avatar

    FYI – 1/2% of the sales tax is for transportation. Who says that it should go for roads rather than rail since it’s obviously more subsidy than user fee?

  2. accurate Avatar
    accurate

    First, I really have a problem when folks tout rail over the car. Okay, so you go to wherever (say Norfolk) and then what? Maybe you’re lucky enough that you can walk from the station to your destination, and that would hold true for how many folks? No, most would then have to grab a cab or rent a car. Unless all your destinations, once in Norfolk, are within walking distance, then again, you’re paying a cab (not really cheap for my budget) or relying on the grace of others (whomever you are visiting) or again, maybe you got a rent-a-car (again, not necessarily a cheap option). If I go by car, I’m the master of my schedule and destiny. I can go where I want, when I want, if I want. I am no extra burden on those whom I came to visit and should the need arise (whatever unforseen circumstances) I can leave at a moments notice. Sorry I’ve just never bought into the entire passenger rail scheme.

    With intra-city rail (as well as inter-city rail) you only move people. With roads you move people, goods and services. Rail service for goods makes sense, rail service for people, not so much.

  3. “City Council President Bill Pantele sums up the case for the high-speed rail lobby, ‘It’s good for the public. It’s good for the economy. It’s good for the environment.’” Based on what?
    I love trains. I always have. One of my earliest memories is riding in a switch engine in Duluth, MN with one of my grand uncles. I had a model train and bought one for my son. I prefer rail while traveling in the Northeast Corridor. I regularly ride Metrorail.
    But why do train supporters get to say anything and everything without proof? Put these projects into the planning process and calculate bona fide costs and benefits. And then recover a substantial portion of those costs from the beneficiaries.

  4. larryg Avatar

    well rail “works” in many countries both freight and passenger and freight rail “works” big time in this country.

    In fact on the I-95 corridor – CSX is so busy that there is barely enough room to run commuter rail from Fredericksburg to DC.

    For rail – most countries view it the way they view schools. It’s a public infrastructure and there is no “vote” on it no more or less than people would “vote” for schools.

  5. larryg Avatar

    Oh.. and for those that do not know…. Va Railway Express – commuter rail is heavily subsidized with a 2.1% supplemental tax on gasoline. Each trip is subsidized to the tune of about $2o and the heck of it is that most riders on VRE make twice, three times and more the salary of the poor smucks who work locally and also pay that gas tax….

  6. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    The distance from Detroit to Columbus, OH could be covered in 53 mins by one of the Taiwan’s bullet trains.

    How much national wealth was lost when the automotive industry collapsed in Detroit and people (unable to find work) simply abandoned their homes?

    How much money was paid out in welfare, Medicaid, free lunches, drug rehabilitation clinics, etc due to the rampant unemployment in Detroit?

    How much more in property taxes would the 50% of people who left Detroit from its peak be paying today?

    If there is a hope for bullet trains in the US it will have to be moving people to jobs on a regular (daily) basis.

    It’s 250 miles from the 20% unemployment in Martinsville to the 3% unemployment in Arlington. If the government handed out bullet train tickets instead of welfare checks would it be worth it?

  7. larryg Avatar

    at first blush it sounds like a good idea but who in the world is going to “commute” (even on a jet train) from SW Va to NoVa?

    so you have two interrelated issues:

    1. – what kind of education, what kind of work, how much pay?
    2. – where could he afford to live in between taking the jet train to visit back home?

    more likely than not, he’ll end up like so many others who get a decent job with decent pay but not enough for them to be able to afford to live in NoVa itself so they will commute.

    And will they commute 50 miles to an exurban community or will they commute via jet plane to Martinsville – on a daily basis?

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      A carpenter in Arlington making $15 / Hr for a 12 hour shift?

      That’s $46,800 per year.

      Median income for males in Martinsburg is $28,000 per year.

      Do, our long distance commuter has $18,000 per year (before taxes) to pay for train tickets.

      That’s $69 / day.

      Now, assuming there was a bullet train (which, obviously, there isn’t) – what’s it worth to the state to take one guy off the unemployment line in Martinsburg?

      According to Jim Bacon – nothing. According to me – something.

      http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/trd/3056625159.html

      1. What are you accusing me of saying? That it’s not worth anything to take a guy off the unemployment line in Martinsville (I assume you mean Martinsville, Va., not Martinsburg, W.Va.)? How did you reach that conclusion?

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          My conclusion is that you study matters too narrowly. You say that a mass transit system that does not collect as much in fares as it spends is an unfair subsidy from those who don’t use the system to those who do. However, if that subsidy is less than the welfare payment avoided by making it possible for people to travel substantial distance to jobs it’s not a subsidy at all.

          1. No, I didn’t say that at all. I did not reach a conclusion about whether high-speed rail is worthwhile (although I am clearly skeptical of the pro-rail logic). Here’s what I said:

            “…The debate over high-speed rail specifically, and transportation policy generally, is totally incoherent. First, so many costs are diffused, hidden or hard to calculate that no one knows the true cost of anything. Second, there is absolutely no effort by anyone (other than the lone crusader, Fairfax Del. Jim LeMunyon) to prioritize transportation projects by Return on Investment. Without an impartial methodology for ranking transportation projects by ROI, there simply can be no intelligent conversation. In an analytical vacuum, capital funding will be allocated on the basis of special interest politics and log-rolling with a bias toward high-visibility projects that generate headlines, if not passengers.”

            I’m insisting that policy makers apply a rigorous methodology to the expenditure of billions of taxpayer dollars. The criteria we use today are grossly inadequate. The same critique applies to road and highway funding. I am astounded that you are not in 100% agreement!

  8. Darrell Avatar
    Darrell

    I can buy an advanced purchase train ticket online to travel from Vienna to Cologne. It costs around 61 bucks to ride a 120+ mph train 550 miles and 8.5 hours later you arrive around 8 am or 8 pm. A comparable discounted Amtrak trip on the same day from Newport News to Cleveland costs 114 dollars and you arrive 17 hours later at 3 in the morning on a train that is really going to Chicago. Greyhound costs $82 and also 17 hours. Flying there instead will set you back $190 and 4 hours travel time.

    What’s important here is that 500 miles should not be sleeper type travel. You ride in a standard seat. Amtrak set a record for ridership so there is some interest in this form of travel. The problem is that for 20 bucks and a few hours camped out on a Pittsburgh park bench I’m only a couple hours later than the train to Cleveland by riding a jury rigged Megabus schedule.

    1. Trains don’t cover their capital and operating costs — they rely upon subsidies. Megabus does cover its costs.

      If the government paid two-thirds the cost of buying and operating my automobile, guess what, I’d sell my 10-year-old car and buy a Porsche.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Megabuses will sit in traffic on Rt 64 just like all the other vehicles. And – they’ll be luck to routinely transport people 30 miles in an hour.

  9. accurate Avatar
    accurate

    “… Vienna to Cologne. It costs around 61 bucks to ride a 120+ mph train …”
    Any idea how much of that ticket is subsidized by the government?

    “Amtrak set a record for ridership …”
    Which is also subsidized, I don’t know how much the subsidy is, but I know Amtrak does get one. I also can not compare the road subsidy to whatever the rail subsidies are, but again, if everyone/every mode of transportation (including bikes) were forced to pay the full price of what it costs to drive/ride on your chosen mode – it would be interesting, but I’m pretty sure that passenger rail wouldn’t end up looking too good. Just my bias view.

  10. From the UK’s Telegraph How will Mr. Frantz answer this? By repeating “rail is good; rail is good; and rail is good.”

    Buyers’ remorse for California’s ‘bullet train to nowhere’
    California voters are experiencing buyers’ remorse over a $68.4 billion (£44.4 billion) high speed rail project which critics say risks becoming a “bullet train to nowhere.”
    Ambitious plans for a fast track linking Los Angeles and San Francisco at speeds of up to 220mph in just over two-and-a-half hours were slimly approved by 53 per cent in a statewide ballot in 2008. That allowed the state to raise $10 billion from bonds and secured an injection of $3.5 billion in stimulus money from the Obama administration. There is currently no direct train route between the two.

    Construction is expected to begin later this year in the middle of California’s Central Valley near Merced, a town of 80,000 people known for having one of the highest home foreclosure rates in America.

    The plan calls for around 300 miles of track to be laid south from there over the next 10 years to reach the northern outskirts of Los Angeles. A northern link from the Central Valley to San Francisco would not be completed until 2028.

    The project is still $54.9 billion short of what is needed, raising fears that the state will be unable to find the funds to finish later sections, and could be left with a futuristic rail line linking minor cities and farming communities.

    Amid disillusion over the cost and handling of the project, voters have now turned against what was supposed to become a symbol of state pride.

    A new poll shows almost three fifths would oppose the bullet train and halt public borrowing if given another chance to vote.

    Almost seven in 10 said that, if the train ever does run between Los Angeles and San Francisco, they would “never or hardly ever” use it.

    Not a single person said they would use it more than once a week, and only 33 per cent said they would prefer the bullet train over a one hour plane journey or seven hour drive. The cost of a ticket, estimated at $123 each way, also put many off. Jerry Brown, California’s Democrat governor, has championed the project as a way to create jobs and is backed by unions. The 74-year-old governor has been personally committed to a high speed rail link since the 1970s.

    But he is trying to convince voters to spend billions on a train while at the same time proposing tax increases and austere public spending cuts, including a five per cent pay cut for state workers, to deal with a budget deficit that has ballooned to $16 billion.

    California’s politicians have until Aug 31 to give a final green light to an initial $6 billion, 130-mile section of track in the Central Valley, and they are expected to approve it. Only a simple majority vote is needed in the Democrat controlled legislature.

    Jim Nielsen, the Republican vice chairman of the state’s Assembly Budget Committee, who opposes the project, called it “an idea that gets worse the more information we get about it.” In April the state’s own Legislative Analyst’s Office called the funding plan vague and speculative.

    Supporters say the California economy, the world’s ninth largest, will recover in the long run and the remaining money will be found from private investors, the federal government and fees from the state’s cap-and-trade programme to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

    They say the rail line will prove crucial to the state’s economic future, linking north and south as airports and freeways reach capacity. But critics suggest the money will dry up and the state will instead be left with an “orphan track” linked to neither major city.

    Dan Schnur, Director of the Unruh Institute of Politics, who carried out the recent poll, said: “The growing budget deficit is making Californians hesitant about spending so much money on a project like this one when they’re seeing cuts to public education and law enforcement.”

    There was also disillusion with the handling of the project so far. It was initially projected to cost $45 billion and deliver passengers between the two major cities in a few hours by 2020.

    Last autumn the state-run California High-Speed Rail Authority, which is overseeing it, disclosed the cost had more than doubled to $98.5 billion with a finish date of 2033.

    After an outcry $30 billion was shaved off that estimate, but only by reducing the speed of the trains and using sections of existing slow track.

    The authority is also facing legal challenges from those whose land the track will have to cross.

    Last week agricultural groups filed a major environmental lawsuit asking for a preliminary injunction to block construction.

    Unless building begins shortly there is also a risk of losing federal funds. The federal government has set a deadline of September 2017 for finishing the first section of track.

  11. larryg Avatar

    If we had approached the building of the interstate highway system in the same way we approach high speed rail – we’d likely never have built the interstate highway system.

    Eisenhower himself was dead set against an untolled system but was convinced that it could never be completed as a nationwide “connecting” system if it had to be tolled.

  12. Hydra Avatar

    Money equals resources.

    If it costs more money, it uses more resources, and that is never green.

  13. Hydra Avatar

    If we had approached the building of the interstate highway system in the same way we approach high speed rail – we’d likely never have built the interstate highway system.

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    Right, so we should build the high speed rail system the same way we built the first rail system: with giant government give aways to private eneterprise.

  14. Hydra Avatar

    Each trip is subsidized to the tune of about $2o and the heck of it is that most riders on VRE make twice, three times and more the salary of the poor smucks who work locally and also pay that gas tax….

    ===================================================yYup, when I was riding VRE I felt actually guilty, because it was so extravagant.

  15. Hydra Avatar

    If the government handed out bullet train tickets instead of welfare checks would it be worth it?

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    That is an excellent question. I would like to see a lot more like it.

    Unfortunately, in this case, for governemtn to hand out bullt trai tickets, it would first have to build the bullet trrains ( and probably buy them from Japan).

    By the time they get done, they could hand out welfare checks for a very long time.

  16. Hydra Avatar

    The authority is also facing legal challenges from those whose land the track will have to cross.

    Last week agricultural groups filed a major environmental lawsuit asking for a preliminary injunction to block construction.

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    I bet they would not be suing if they thought for an instant that the law would actually protect their property rights by demanding they get paid an adequate price.

  17. paul hammond Avatar
    paul hammond

    Sadly, I completely agree with you. I’m a big fan of light rail, high speed rail and even regular snail rail. I understand the romance, but I’m also for sensible alternatives. Let’s push quality inter city buses for a fraction of the cost. I think we’d accomplish more with less and we could get it up and running in months, not years. The more cars we can pull off the road the better. The net benefit could end up paying for itself.

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