Del. Don Scott (D-Portsmouth), Speaker of the House of Delegates Picture credit: Axios

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

The Speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates is widely regarded as the second-most powerful figure, after the Governor, in Virginia state government. Speaker Don Scott (D-Portsmouth), elevated to the position this session after only two terms in the House, has let the power go to his head. Rather than acting like the presiding officer of the whole House, he is behaving like a partisan dictator.

Two events, perhaps related, earlier this week illustrate this attitude.

To help with the understanding of these events, it would be best to state some of the ground rules:

  • The Speaker appoints delegates to committees;
  • The Speaker assigns bills to committees;
  • The Speaker chairs the House Rules Committee;
  • The Rules Committee, unlike other committees, can send bills to the Floor without recommendation;
  • House Rules require that no amendment to a bill can be on a subject that is different from the one under consideration. This is known as the “germaneness rule”;
  • The Speaker can rule on questions of parliamentary procedure;
  • The Speaker’s rulings can be challenged. (Invariably, the members of the majority party, the Speaker’s party, will vote to uphold the Speaker’s rulings.);
  • The federal Hyde amendment prohibits the use of federal funds to pay for abortions except in cases of life endangerment, rape, or incest.

Del. Tim Griffin (R-Bedford) Photo credit: Cardinal News

The first event involved HB 404, introduced by freshman Republican Delegate Tim Griffin (Bedford). The bill prohibited the state from contracting with, or making any grant of public funds to, any facility in which abortions were performed. It also would have repealed two Code sections that allowed state general funds to be used to fund abortions for women eligible for Medicaid in cases of rape, incest, or fetal gross abnormality. The effect would have been to deny Medicaid funding altogether to any hospital that provided abortion services.

Rather than refer the bill to the committee that deals with health and hospitals, Scott referred the bill to the Rules Committee, which he chairs. When the Rules Committee took up the bill, Minority Leader Del. Todd Gilbert (R-Shenandoah) tried to repair the damage by offering to amend the bill to reflect what he said was the actual intention of the patron. That would have made the bill the Virginia version of the federal Hyde Amendment, prohibiting the use of public funding for abortions. He was rebuffed, and the committee voted to send the bill to the House floor without recommendation.

The maneuvering was widely seen as an attempt by Democrats to put Republicans in the position of having to vote for extreme abortion legislation.

Del. Todd Gilbert (R-Shenandoah), House Minority Leader

When the full House took up the bill on Monday, Gilbert offered a floor substitute. The wording was straightforward, prohibiting the use of state general or non-general appropriations to fund any
abortions, except where required by federal law (i.e. the Hyde amendment). During the debate on the substitute, Del. Marcus Simon (D-Falls Church), the Democrats’ expert on the rules, tried to lay the groundwork that the proposed floor substitute was the exact opposite of the original bill.

Del. Marcus Simon (D-Falls Church) Photo credit: Falls Church News-Press

He eventually proposed to the Speaker (formally called a “parliamentary inquiry”) that, because it had become the House practice that any amendment turning a bill into having an effect opposite from its original intention was not germane, the proposed amendment should be ruled out of order because it was non-germane. Scott dutifully gave this proposal his consideration as if the whole scenario had not been worked out in the House Democratic Caucus meeting before the session began.

Scott, to no one’s surprise, ruled the floor substitute as non-germane.

Obviously, the ruling was wrong. The proposed floor amendment would not have accomplished the “opposite” of what original bill would have. Both restricted the use of public funds regarding the delivery of abortion services. The floor substitute was less restrictive than the original bill, but certainly not the opposite. Furthermore, the House Rule makes no mention of opposite effects. It says that amendments cannot be on a different subject. Both the original bill and the floor substitute dealt with the subject of public funding of abortion services. It was purely a partisan ruling, designed to keep the Republicans faced with having to vote on an extreme abortion bill.

Gilbert, as was his right, appealed the Speaker’s ruling. Scott seemed surprised and somewhat insulted that his ruling would be appealed. (He obviously was not around when then-Speaker William Howell had to deal with challenges to his rulings from a member of his own party, Del. Robert Marshall (R-Prince William)). The House sustained the Speaker’s ruling on a party-line vote of 51-48.

The fireworks were not quite over. After complaining about the maneuvering, Griffin moved to strike the bill from the calendar. This is not an unusual request and is accomplished “without objection.” Simon was having none of that. He urged his fellow Democrats to vote “no” on the motion to strike. Gilbert and Del. Robert Orrock (R-Caroline) protested that it was customary to grant members the courtesy of striking their bills if they wished to. Simon then changed his motion to “pass by” the motion to strike, which technically would mean that Democrats would not be voting against the motion to strike. The motion to “pass by” was adopted on a party-line vote.

Simon then moved that the bill be engrossed and moved to the final vote stage, while urging the members to vote “no” on the motion. Normally, this is a voice vote with a roll call vote conducted only if the Speaker is unsure of the vote after hearing all the “ayes” and “nays.” The voice vote was obviously “no,” but Scott called for a roll call vote anyway. The bill was then defeated by a vote of 1-95.

The second event unfolded on Tuesday. During the floor session, it was announced that the Speaker had changed some committee assignments. Del. Barry Knight (R-Virginia Beach) was being moved from the Appropriations Committee to the Transportation Committee and Del. Amanda Batten (R-James City County) was being moved from the Rules Committee.

The changes are shocking from a couple of perspectives. First, it is highly unusual for members to be kicked off committees during the middle of a session, and after cross-over, to boot. In fact, I cannot remember of it ever being done. Mr. Haner, who has a better memory of legislative history than I have, may know of some instances.

Del. Barry Knight (R-Virginia Beach) Photo credit: Virginian Pilot

The demotion of Knight is especially shocking. He is a veteran legislator and has served on the Appropriations Committee for many years and was the ranking Republican on the committee. During the 2022 and 2023 sessions, he was chairman of the committee and performed well in the position. Furthermore, the change was made with less than a week remaining before the Appropriations Committee is scheduled to release its version of the budget bill.

No explanation was provided by the Speaker’s office for the changes. Knight, who was given no advance notice of the change and learned about it when it was announced on the floor, said he suspected that it was in retribution for the clash on the House floor over the abortion bill the day before. To pour salt into the wound, Knight’s replacement was Del. Anne Ferrell Tata (R-Virginia Beach), who is beginning only her second term in the House.

The other delegate affected, Amanda Batten, is the chair of the House Republican Caucus.

Elephants supposedly have long memories and Republicans will remember this. When they are next in the majority in the House, Don Scott is likely to be relegated to the Committee on Counties, Cities, and Towns and assigned to review all the charter bills. Furthermore, every bill he introduces will likely be summarily killed.


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48 responses to “The Speaker Rules”

  1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    The GA is my favorite time of year. This story should be discussed by high school seniors. Thanks!

  2. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Thank you for the in depth explanation of the powers of the Speaker and the normal courtesies.
    Unfortunately, we have the government we deserve.

    1. vicnicholls Avatar
      vicnicholls

      No we have the govt that people who are not educated nor understand the issues voted for.

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        I think we are in agreement!
        We have a stup!d, vapid, amoral electorate, electing stup!d, vapid amoral “leaders.” Country is being bankrupted, all norms of what used to be are being destroyed, crime, decay, but Va has preserved the “right” to kill babies! Hooray for the oldest body of representative government in America. Makes me so proud…

  3. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    Dick, hat’s off to you for writing this. I suspect you’ll take some heat for it from your side of the aisle. What’s more important, I’m confident you knew that before you wrote it. Good on ya!

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    Talk about “hardball” politics! Hard to tell if this was in response to some significant provocation by the GOP or what. It goes both ways and often what goes around, comes around sooner or later.

    The GOP leadership knew of HB 404, introduced by freshman Republican Delegate Tim Griffin (Bedford) long before it got to the point of action. It could have been withdrawn or similar before it went anywhere and yet no one intervened until it was knocking on the door – or at least it looks that way to me.

    Absolutely no question, if the GOP were the majority, this bill would be very alive and very well and on it’s way to a vote, again, in my view.

    Rough stuff.

    Something broke in the normal GOP/DEM GA relationship or process, or the Dems are actually going hog wild and surely will regret it like a hangover at some point.

    And yes, give Dick credit here. A refreshing departure from the usual partisan/culture war rhetoric that oozes from BR these days.

    Thank you!

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Normally a patron controls his or her own bill, and a motion to “strike” the bill from the patron is accepted without debate. But when this game is being played, and I saw this first decades ago, even the patron is ignored when trying to reverse course and prevent a vote on the bill. 🙂 I’m sure the first time I saw that Philpott was speaker, so long ago…

      “Rough stuff” is nothing new. Politics ain’t bean bags. I’m sure somebody today will remind me of somebody before Knight yanked off a key committee. Usually the revenge is taken when the new lists come out the next year….

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Bobby Orrock said that, in the 35 years that he had been in the legislature, he could remember only one time that the House had refused a motion to strike a bill. He admitted that it was the Republicans that time and it was for political reasons. He said it was wrong then and wrong now.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          “He said it was wrong then and wrong now.”

          Is it? It seems that every year there are many bills from both sides (much as I hate that term) that are not designed to do anything but feed red meat to the base. If legislators knew that they would be required to record some kind of vote on every one of them (or even they could be required to), perhaps that practice would be greatly curtailed and we would end up with a much more deliberative legislature.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            looks like the handwriting was clearly on the wall by
            Feb 8.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/65505830f011c76b0ff3dffa1f0309852e38771a0a58fc9ddce709461c2a0eda.png

            This vote on HB404 was held in the House. The vote was on this subject: “Reported without recommendation from Rules”. This vote passed 12-6.

            Vote Dem. Rep.
            Voted Yes 12 0
            Voted No 0 6
            Yes
            Betsy Carr (D-78)
            Cliff Hayes (D-91)
            Dan Helmer (D-10)
            Charniele Herring (D-4)
            Don Scott (D-88)
            Mark Sickles (D-17)
            Marcus Simon (D-13)
            Rip Sullivan (D-6)
            Luke Torian (D-24)
            Kathy Tran (D-18)
            Jeion Ward (D-87)
            Vivian Watts (D-14)
            No
            Terry Austin (R-37)
            Amanda Batten (R-71)
            Todd Gilbert (R-33)
            Terry Kilgore (R-45)
            Israel O’Quinn (R-44)
            Michael Webert (R-61)

            When did the GOP try to pull it back?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Methinks Barry Knight was not oblivious to this.. one might
            think he had to know, early on, given his role. Had it been brought up to him and he did not act? lots of what-about-ism here, eh?

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            To Dick’s point, this bill would have likely died in Health and Human Services (was probably intended to die all along). Scott chose to amplify it and he certainly did. Nonetheless, it was drafted by a Republican to feed a Republican base and that deserves a spotlight (given the topic). The floor substitute is hardly any better, just designed more subtlety.

        2. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Well, I have 40 years. 🙂 It may have been Moss, not Philpott, but I’ve seen it more than once.

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            You may be thinking of the Senate. I remember Hunter Andrews “explaining” to a bill’s patron in a similar situation, (this is paraphrased) “Once a bill is introduced, it no longer belongs to the patron, but is in the bosom of the body which can do with it what it wishes.”

  5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Interesting that Griffin did not vote for his own bill. Also interesting that Tommy Wright apparently believes that abortions should not be provided in the case of rape and incest. I guess he can afford to be honest…

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Again, not a new game and both sides have played it. Tis sound and fury, signifying nothing. The R’s did it last with a vote on right to work, as I recall (Lee Carter’s bill?). No election is decided by the shenanigans.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    From Speaker Scott on day one. I guess he did not mean a single word he said.
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    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      Given he’s a Politician he’ll say anything to get elected and revert to what he was always going to do, once in power.

      “Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely”

      LA

        1. Matt Adams Avatar

          Just look at his FEC filings, you’ll see who he works for.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    Meanwhile back at the ranch… perhaps a new post from Dick or Steve?

    Looks like Youngkin missed the forecast?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c67e5c4b5771a211bfc1f797a4b603f20926470a68cabb799dd7313168e10564.png

  8. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Colonel Linn Banks of Madison County once ruled the House of Delegates with a similar iron fist. Long time speaker for 20 years. His public enemy number one was the “Whig” party which he relegated to the sidelines with his power as speaker. Banks once hosted Lafayette during the patriot’s tour of America. Banks replaced the great grandfather of General George Patton when elected to Congress. Banks lost his job to a contested election. Extra Billy Smith began his long and storied political career with the ouster of Banks.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b62f3a28d32d37495cb20790b7742fd0b46c4ded7d79ab2306f5d13f39b9461f.jpg

  9. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Never is a dangerous word when considering a 40 year spread, but I cannot think of another member yanked off a key committee mid session. This takes Knight off the budget conference negotiation. I have been hearing that Scott is exercising a degree of micromanagement not seen in a long time.

    The game of forcing a bad bill onto the floor to get an embarrassing roll call, OTOH, has been played by both teams. Germaneness is defined as “what the Speaker wants” sometimes.

  10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    From the floor substitute:

    “…except as otherwise required by federal law.”

    As I understand the Hyde Amendment, it restricts federal funding of abortion with the cited exceptions. It does not “require” federal funding. While I find it hard to believe that Republicans mistakenly drafted the original version, it also looked like the floor substitute was intended to give cover to party members who did not want to vote “no” on any abortion restriction legislation or they wanted to pass a bill that looked like it provided the exceptions when it really didn’t. The wording was carefully selected in the House Republican Caucus meeting, I’m sure. There is nothing wrong with current law in this regard and the fact that Republicans were seeking to change it speaks volumes. Kudos to the Speaker for amplifying that fact.

    Interesting that Republicans also wanted to remove the right of our state legislators to act on the issue of funding of abortions and instead cede that authority to federal legislators – do they sense a stronger federal ban possible in the future…? More of that same pattern we have seen elsewhere from Republicans this session.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      This delegate, Griffin, was acting on his own and every effort was made to keep him from putting in the bill. He ignored all the pleas, which included even the pro life lobbyists who saw this bill would only produce a wedge issue vote. He is having a rough start even for a MAGAnaut. None of the wording was “selected in a House caucus meeting,” but truth has no role in this, does it.

      Didn’t I see 95 red lights on this? But you’ll keep claiming they actually liked the bill, won’t you?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “None of the wording was “selected in a House caucus meeting,” but truth has no role in this, does it.”

        I was referring to the floor substitute (you don’t believe that language was worked out ahead of time?). The floor substitute also seeks to change current law, btw, and was supported by 48 Republicans.

        I made a slight edit to my comment so my language is crystal clear.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “None of the wording was “selected in a House caucus meeting,” but truth has no role in this, does it.”

        I was referring to the floor substitute (you don’t believe that language was worked out ahead of time?). The floor substitute also seeks to change current law, btw, and was supported by 48 Republicans.

        I made a slight edit to my comment so my language is crystal clear.

      3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “None of the wording was “selected in a House caucus meeting,” but truth has no role in this, does it.”

        I was referring to the floor substitute (you don’t believe that language was worked out ahead of time?). The floor substitute also seeks to change current law, btw, and was supported by 48 Republicans.

        I made a slight edit to my comment so my language is crystal clear.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Yes, a floor substitute probably was a consensus bill. Point taken. I really paid no attention to this as it was going on. Even offering a floor substitute was a really dumb move. My old team has lost what little mojo it had. The proper move was to say little and just vote red, create no hoorah.

        2. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Yes, a floor substitute probably was a consensus bill. Point taken. I really paid no attention to this as it was going on. Even offering a floor substitute was a really dumb move. My old team has lost what little mojo it had. The proper move was to say little and just vote red, create no hoorah.

        3. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Yes, a floor substitute probably was a consensus bill. Point taken. I really paid no attention to this as it was going on. Even offering a floor substitute was a really dumb move. My old team has lost what little mojo it had. The proper move was to say little and just vote red, create no hoorah.

        4. LarrytheG Avatar

          ” But you’ll keep claiming they actually liked the bill, won’t you?”

          No Mea culpa eh?

          Come on Steve!

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            No. From now and to the end of time, the claim will be made that the R’s supported the introduced bill. Not my first rodeo.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Given the politics and recent election as well as other states elections, on the issue why was such a bill created
            in the first place and why did the GOP leadership not deal with it right away as the obvious problem it was going to be?

            What was THE point of it?

            I think it’s a fair question to ask and not a dishonest one to ask.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Yep, apparently even Griffin did not support his own bill… 🤷‍♂️. Maybe the Deep State made him do it…

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            had a co-patron who has been in the GA for several years:

            Introduced By
            Del. Tim Griffin (R-Forest) with support from co-patron Sen. John McGuire (R-Glen Allen)

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Who also ended up voting “no” on it. Man, that Deep State really gets around.

            It does look like the Republicans knew exactly what they were doing and the bill was no mistake. I still believe it was intended to die all along but Scott called them on it. Well done, imo!

            Edit: I see Zehr is also a patron (and also voted “no” on the bill). He is the guy who won Matt Farris’s (the hit and run Republican) seat in a three way race. Definite Good sycophant… this is just the kind of bills we can expect from today’s GOP.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            In terms of GOP “strategy”, unless I’m missing something, an oxymoron!

  11. LarrytheG Avatar

    so tell me at what point the GOP could have pulled the plug on this … sooner than later…. had a month before things got messy
    and it’s not like the bill had any merit what-so-ever except for the pro-life folks, who also wanted it gone.

    History
    Date Action
    01/08/2024 Committee
    01/08/2024 Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/10/24 24103382D
    01/08/2024 Referred to Committee on Health and Human Services
    01/25/2024 Referred from Health and Human Services
    01/25/2024 Referred to Committee on Rules
    02/08/2024 Reported without recommendation from Rules (12-Y 6-N) (see vote tally)
    02/09/2024 Read first time
    02/12/2024 Floor substitute printed 24107573D-H1 (Gilbert)
    02/12/2024 Read second time
    02/12/2024 Substitute by Delegate Gilbert ruled not germane 24107573D-H1
    02/12/2024 Ruling of Chair sustained (51-Y 48-N)
    02/12/2024 VOTE: Adoption (51-Y 48-N)
    02/12/2024 Motion to pass by to strike agreed to (51-Y 48-N)
    02/12/2024 VOTE: Sustain ruling of the Chair (51-Y 48-N)
    02/12/2024 Engrossment refused by House (1-Y 95-N 2-A)
    02/12/2024 VOTE: Engrossment (1-Y 95-N 2-A)

  12. The proposed floor amendment would not have accomplished the “opposite” of what original bill would have.

    I guess it depends on what the meaning of the word “opposite” is. Have you checked the Democrats’ Guide to Situationally Convenient New Speak to see how they are defining the word this week?

  13. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Rather than refer the bill to the committee that deals with health and hospitals, Scott referred the bill to the Rules Committee, which he chairs.”

    01/08/24 House: Referred to Committee on Health and Human Services
    01/25/24 House: Referred from Health and Human Services by voice vote
    01/25/24 House: Referred to Committee on Rules

    So it was originally referred to Health and Human Services. It looks like they referred it Rules… I assume at the Speaker’s request?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      looks like two weeks between the change.

      Two weeks in the GA is like a lifetime!

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Or not. Maybe no one wanted to touch it?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        well, I’m not gonna believe that the entire GOP contingent was asleep at the switch. No way!

        And no way, they all stayed hunkered down afraid and unwilling to do something.

        Nope. They were clear-eyed at whatever they did and who knows what other than to stand by and watch it turn to crappola.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Issues, Larry, not solutions.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            must be a better word than “issues”………

  14. LarrytheG Avatar

    The Va GOP is Really opposed to folks being able to buy birth control? WTH!

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