The Speaker Has Ruled

Eileen Filler-Corn has begun to flex her muscles as Speaker.

This flexing was evident during a tussle on the House floor yesterday.  The subject at hand was HB 980, introduced by Del. Charniele Herring of Alexandria.  This is the Democrats’ bill to undo many of the abortion restrictions and procedures enacted by Republicans in past years.

Before getting into the activity on the floor, it might be helpful to explain some procedures and rules (always important).  First, the General Assembly has a rule requiring  that any amendment to a bill be germane to the bill.  This rule stems from the Virginia Constitutional requirement that any bill have a single object.  The objective is to avoid having riders placed on bills that have no relationship to the topic or purpose of the original bill.

The title of HB 980 indicated that the bill dealt with “provision of abortion.”  Del. Todd Gilbert of Shenandoah County and the minority leader sought to offer two amendments to the bill.  One amendment would have added several Code sections dealing with what should happen if an abortion procedure results in a live birth.  The second amendment would have prohibited the sale of fetal tissue resulting from an abortion.  In response to a challenge from Democrats, the Speaker ruled the amendments to be “nongermane”.  The effect of such a ruling meant they could not be considered by the House.

As I remember it, when William Howell, Republican Speaker for many years, was confronted with a germaneness challenge, he would pause the proceedings and summon the affected delegates to the rostrum for a discussion.  (They couldn’t do this publicly because the challenge is a “point of order” which is not debatable.)  The result was often a gaggle of delegates huddled around the Speaker’s desk.  Eventually, the Speaker would shoo all the members back to their desks and announce his decision.  He usually gave a rationale for the decision.  Often the rationale was sort of lame.  But, lame or not, at least he made an attempt to explain the reason for decision.

Speaker Filler-Corn did none of this.  There was no conference in which the two sides could present their arguments.  Nor did she give any rationale for her decision.  When Gilbert asked about her rationale or even some general guidance on her thinking on germaneness, she responded only, “I have made my ruling, Delegate Gilbert.”  A ruling of the Speaker can be appealed to the House as a whole, but Gilbert knew that was a non-starter.

The second tussle came during the debate on the bill.  For debate, the General Assembly has a very formal procedure.  If a delegate wishes to ask the patron of a bill a question, he must address the Speaker and use this procedure:

Delegate:  Will the delegate [patron of bill] yield for a question?

Speaker:  Will the delegate [patron] yield for a question?

Patron:  I yield (Or “I refuse to yield”, at which point the process ends).

Speaker:  The delegate [patron] yields.

At which point the delegate can ask her question.  For a second or subsequent question, the procedure is repeated each time.

Gilbert posed a series of questions to Herring, who seemed to avoid some of them.  When that happened, Gilbert would ask the question again, in perhaps a somewhat different form.  The Speaker became visibly impatient with Gilbert and, at least twice, in response to his request to ask Herring a question, said that she doubted the delegate would yield.  To her credit, Herring refused to take the hint and continued to field the questions.  At some point in this sequence, the Speaker abruptly called on another delegate who moved that the debate end.  Gilbert protested repeatedly that he had had the floor and had not yielded it.  The Speaker reluctantly retreated.

In prior years, when the Republicans were in the majority, Gilbert, in his remarks and debate on the floor, was often very caustic and downright nasty in his comments directed at Democrats.  So, some of what is going on now probably involves some personal payback.  Nevertheless, the Speaker’s actions were not those of a gracious winner and are not going to win her friends on the Republican side, which she may need some day.

The Speaker then indicated that she did not relish opposition in her own party.  As soon as Del. Vivian Watts was through explaining her bill to change the tax laws related to the gig economy (HB 730), the Speaker called for a vote on the bill.  Immediately, there was a loud call of “Madame Speaker !”.   The Speaker then recognized the Democrat from Prince William, Lee Carter.

This is significant because each delegate has on his desk a button that, when pushed, activates a light next to his name on a panel in front of the Speaker, indicating his desire to be recognized to speak.  Using that system avoids having people all over the chamber shouting for recognition.  It also allows the Speaker easily to pick and choose who speaks.  Undoubtedly, the Speaker saw Carter’s name lit up on her panel and was also aware of Carter’s opposition to the bill (as reported by our very own Steve Haner) and had probably hoped to avoid public opposition in the ranks.  Carter indicated that he knew very well what was going on when he responded, “Madame Speaker, I apologize, but I did push my button.”

Unfortunately, as I watching all this from home on the House telecast, the video feed inexplicably went out then and never came back.  Later, I wondered:  Did the Speaker order that to happen?


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13 responses to “The Speaker Has Ruled”

  1. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    I’ve watched many Speakers, closely at times. I have seen them all – Philpott, Moss, Putney, Wilkins, Howell and Cox – issue similar rulings with little or no explanation, at times. I’ve seen the ruling of the chair challenged – always a perilous move. I’ve seen them ignore requests to be recognized or look at their shoes so they wouldn’t see the hands up to demand a formal recorded vote (Philpott loved that one…) She is joining a distinguished club….

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      You never watched John Warren Cooke?

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        Nope. First full session for me with time on the floor was 1985. I met him, interviewed him a few times, but as the former speaker..

    2. djrippert Avatar

      “I’ve seen them ignore requests to be recognized or look at their shoes so they wouldn’t see the hands up to demand a formal recorded vote … ”

      Does that seem OK to you … avoiding a recorded vote? It seems like typical “Virginia Way” BS to me.

  2. djrippert Avatar

    “This rule stems from the Virginia Constitutional requirement that any bill have a single object. The objective is to avoid having riders placed on bills that have no relationship to the topic or purpose of the original bill.”

    Great rule. What happened to that rule here … https://www.baconsrebellion.com/planes-trains-and-automobiles/

    Let me guess. The state constitution requires one object bills but the speaker decides what constitutes one object and what constitutes many? More Virginia Way? Kind of like “compact and contiguous voting districts”?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      1) Sometimes as the pirate said, the rules are merely “guidelines.” Best line in that movie…..2) Somewhere between 90 and 95 percent of what you spout off about is commonplace in legislatures across the country. These are human foibles hardly unique to VA. But there is always an audience for hate and discontent….

      1. djrippert Avatar

        Wrong. The catalyst is the unlimited campaign contributions. Once a corrupt government allows an unending flow of special interest money into the system every other scam is magnified. Why was the vote unrecorded? Who paid for that? Why was the constitutional requirement for single object bills ignored? Which legislature had or will have their pockets stuffed over that one?

        Our legislature is like an ongoing criminal enterprise subject to RICO laws. Outside of a criminal conspiracy the crimes under RICO would be far more narrowly applied. However, once there is a criminal conspiracy the bosses are liable for a lot of wrongdoing – whether they perpetrated the actual crime or not.

        Unlimited campaign contributions puts Virginia within a tiny fraction of states where each and every anti-transparency, anti-democratic action must be viewed in the prism of legalized corruption.

        If our legislature is going to take gobs and gobs of money they better be squeaky clean about everything else they do. And they are not squeaky clean. They are filthy dirty.

        1. Steve Haner Avatar
          Steve Haner

          Agreed. The wide open flow of money has exaggerated things. About to write up another example. 🙂

      2. You don’t really consider the Constitution of Virginia a “mere” guideline, do you? I don’t believe you do, so I’m going to assume the “rules” to which you refer in your comment relate to the rule which allows the speaker of the house to unilaterally determine whether a proposed amendment is “germane” to the bill being considered. As far as I know, that is “merely” a house of delegates rule which can be changed.

        No matter who is “in power” during a given session, I think this rule places too much power in the hands of a single person. What would be wrong with putting the issue of “germaneness” to a simple voice vote of the members present? I think that would be a more inclusive and representative way of addressing the appropriateness of proposed amendments.

        What do you think? You have attended a far greater number of legislative sessions than I, and are no doubt more familiar with house rules and how they may be changed, so I am interested in your thoughts on the issue.

        Whether the human foibles demonstrated by our new (or former) speaker of the house are commonplace or not, I prefer to have my government run in a more representative fashion, and a house of delegates which places too much power in the hands of one individual is anathema to that goal.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          “Germaneness” is subjective. One you consider to be germane I may consider to be nongermane. Someone has to be the arbiter. That is the presiding officer.

          Any ruling of the Speaker can be challenged. In such a case, the members vote on whether the Speaker’s ruling should be upheld.

        2. Steve Haner Avatar
          Steve Haner

          We were talking about the “single object” rule mainly, and it started to fade long ago. You are asking about the Speaker’s largely unlimited discretion on germaneness. The first used to be enforced, the second has been wide open probably for centuries. The Speaker has great power within the House itself…Worrying about that is like worrying about the weather, a total waste of time. It just is….

  3. djrippert Avatar

    If my criticisms of our state legislature bother you – good. It’s about time that the Richmond insider community started to face the facts about legalized corruption inside our state government.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    It often seems it’s the minority party objecting to the “unfairness” of the way the majority party is operating – and they want the rules changed – until they become the majority party.

    Unlike DJR, I don’t see this as corruption though I do agree with him about the money in our legislative function. I’m more than okay with paid lobbyists – the more the merrier but I’m NOT “okay” with corporation nor union donations to individual law makers; no matter how you look at that – it’s tantamount to bribery in my book and worse when apparently that money can be used for purposes other than running for office.

    I’d LOVE to see the Dems put up legislation to stop it.

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