The Rule of Firsties

Statue of Captain John Smith overlooking the James River
Statue of Captain John Smith overlooking the James River

by James A. Bacon

I was chatting the other day with a friend, a William & Mary professor living in Williamsburg, about the Surry-Skiffes Creek transmission line project (see “An Intractable Dilemma“). Despite the high stakes involved, he said, he hadn’t paid much attention to the controversy, finding it hard to generate sympathy for a bunch of rich retirees in Kingsmill Resort raising a ruckus about their viewsheds.

His response amused me, for the controversy whirling around Dominion Virginia Power’s proposed construction of a 500 kV transmission line across a historic stretch of the James River is a lot more consequential than the views enjoyed by a few rich guys living on the river. The transmission line, designed to head off rolling blackouts for some 500,000 people living on the Virginia Peninsula, would traverse the closest thing that many Virginians have to sacred ground — “Virginia’s founding river,” as one foe described it to me.

I totally understand the concerns of the transmission line foes — even those of millionaires sipping martinis on the patios of their mansions as they soak up the river views. Plutocrats are people, too. But after several years of writing about controversial infrastructure projects in Virginia — highways, gas pipelines, transmission lines — I worry whether we have created institutional gridlock. At the rate we’re going, it will be impossible to build almost anything anymore.

The U.S. 460 Connector project was done in by wetlands. The U.S 29 Bypass ran into a buzzsaw of opposition engendered in part by fears that automobile exhaust would harm the health of children in nearby schools. (For what it’s worth, I was highly skeptical of both projects on economic grounds.) Now two proposed gas pipelines are being contested on a variety of grounds, the most potent of which is that, even though the pipelines are underground, landowners can’t abide the grassy right-of-way above ground. Businesses can’t even build wind turbines in the state because they’ll ruin the natural beauty of mountain ridges.

Think of all the project disqualifiers out there: wetlands, archaeological sites, old burial grounds, rivers, streams, wells, eagles’ nests, sturgeon breeding grounds, Indian tribal territories, schools, historical sites, and mountain ridge lines — and that’s just off the top of my head. Making the problem immeasurably worse for anyone wanting to build infrastructure, everyone’s got a viewshed and everyone wants to keep it as pristine as possible on the not-unreasonable grounds that the intrusion of ugly industrial infrastructure will hurt their property values. If eagles’ nests and burial grounds put thousands of acres off limits to development, view sheds rope off thousands of square miles.

There’s a philosophical issue worth exploring here. Whose viewshed matters? When Captain John Smith set foot upon Jamestown Island, Virginia was pristine. Waves of settlers descended upon the colony and chopped down much of the forest. No one objected (other than the Indians, and the least of their problems was the loss of picturesque views). Then came railroads and industry, but no one protested the loss of viewsheds. Then came roads and highways, and no one objected to them either. It wasn’t until the development of zoning codes and the growth of the environmental and conservation movements that viewsheds became a matter of concern. In the past few decades a new definition of property rights has come into play — the right to a view, asserted by the guy who got there first, over other peoples’ property. Call it the Rule of Firsties.

I’m far more sympathetic to property owners who want to preserve view sheds on their own land from disruption caused by utilities requiring easements, as is typically the case with property owners fighting the Mountain Valley and Atlantic Coast Pipelines. These people should be compensated for their loss of property values. I’m less sympathetic to those who assert a right to views of other people’s property. (In the case of the Surry-Skiffes Creek transmission line, the controversy is mainly over the view shed of the river, a commons.)

That reminds me of a story about the hamlet of Waterford, a community in Loudoun County that had preserved its character intact since the days of its founding by Quakers in the 18th century. The houses fronted on charming small-town streets; the back yards looked upon bucolic farmland. Several years ago, a developer acquired (or threatened to acquire) a neighboring farm and proposed developing a subdivision there. Talk about disrupting a viewshed! What made Waterford residents different from others is that they didn’t sue to deprive the developer his right to build on his property. If I recall the story rightly, they raised money to buy out his property and set up a trust to preserve their viewshed in perpetuity.

Waterford did not invoke the Rule of Firsties. But across Virginia, other people are doing so. As long as Virginia’s population and economy continue growing, we will need new roads, pipelines, transmission lines and other infrastructure. We have to find a way to build these things. At the same time, Virginia is a state that values history and property rights. We do not achieve progress by trampling historic sites or property rights. Finding the right balance will be difficult. It helps to remember that the tension between property owners and utilities is built into the nature of things. There are no angels or demons here, just people trying to do the right thing.


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  1. This is why undesirable projects like landfills, power plants, etc tend to be built in economically disadvantaged areas. In that case it is possible to use host community benefits to entice residents to accept the project.

  2. There’s also this American tendency toward memory loss. How do you think the earlier neighbors felt when the Kingsmill developers rode into t own? Those who now savor their views are obstructing the view s of someone who came before them. Sometime residents forget that they were NOT the firsties.

  3. The tendency toward memory loss begins with this nation forgetting where the country was founded. It continues in the myth that things began with Plymouth, which came 13 years later. The memory loss is perpetuated by a state that has spent the past 200 years consumed by the “recent unpleasantness,” while others stole the colonists’ Genesis story.

    Even folks as scholarly as a W&M prof often don’t understand that, right now, in Jamestown, there are TWO sites to visit. One, the make-believe EPCOT version, Jamestown Settlement, created and maintained by the Commonwealth of Virginia at enormous cost to the state; the other, Historic Jamestown on Jamestown Island, the site of the original James Fort, where the top historical archaeologists in the world have rediscovered nearly two million 17th century artifacts. The latter site is on private land on the western end of Jamestown Island, and supported solely by private donations and gate receipts in partnership with the National Park Service. A planned World Heritage site, one might wish to inform the professor of what lies in his backdoor.

    Ignorance is always a costly trait, and none more so that what the costs will be if this historic expanse is desecrated. Yes, there is much to save in Virginia. This state was FIRST in so many ways, and there is wide spread agreement that we can’t save everything. But, if this singular site is not worthy of saving, nothing else in this country is. This is where it all began. This is where democracy began with the first representative assembly in 1619, a year before Plymouth. This is where diversity first reared its head with the arrival of indentured servants and slaves. But, this expanse of history is also where the very traits that American’s still embody first took root in this land, risk-taking, entrepreneurship, representative government. Keep in mind that the Virginia Company was a private equity venture. Big time!

    This is not just “another” place to save. This is the first of FIRSTS. Ignorant professors are a dangerous breed, sharing their ignorance wrapped in a Ph.D. This is not about rich people and their view sheds. If that was all there was, this line would have long ago been built and electrified. Thankfully, more knowledgeable stewards will make the decisions about saving this place. But, all of that said, Go Tribe!

  4. Andrew Roesell Avatar
    Andrew Roesell

    Conflating the use of the term “progress” with growth is an ingenious verbal maneuver that begs the question, “what IS progress”? Advocates of industrialism and (sub)urbanization love to taunt us that such things are “inevitable,” but in fact, it requires a great of political and legal “fixing” to make these things happen. The fact is that we, in Northern Virginia, have been told that the growth will go on and on, and though we do get some transportation projects to alleviate part of it, it is never enough. What this “progress,” so called, is, in reality, the ruination of the quality of life for current residents so that more residents can be brought in, with the greatest beneficiaries being the wealthy class of investors who finance these projects, who, even as they style themselves “conservatives,” are, as Marx noted of this bourgeoisie, “the most revolutionary class in history.” Ironic, isn’t it? The loss of community ties, open space, the increased expense of schooling, the inconvenience of traffic, all of this accrues to the “beneficiaries” of progress who are also “conservative”? Civilization is about more than numbers and technology and growth. Barbarism is able to make use of these things, too. Europeans have done a far better job preserving their towns, cities, and countryside, but then they don’t have the same devotion to property rights that we, especially, in Virginia have. My older daughter spent part of the summer in Ukraine, and the pictures I see are of a higher state of civilization than what I see around me, just outside “the most powerful city in the world.” We, Americans, often are fools because we confuse civilization with money. A certain level of prosperity is fine, but after a while, it can choke itself, especially this “cult of growth,” which as the southwestern writer, Edward Abbey, wrote, “is the ideology of the cancer cell.” The Nashville Agrarians wrote of it being like “the Prussianized state which is organized strictly for war and can never consent to peace.” (_I’ll Take My Stand_) Flannery O’Connor has this quote which says it all: “Where you came from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.”

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      DANG! I think you’re singing TMT’s song here!

      Oh – and 50 miles south of you in Fredericksburg – we hear the same song – “GO AWAY – we already have too many and you are RUINING our quality of life”! ” Go BACK to NoVa where you belong (and where your job is”!

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    I guess I’d put more stock in the folks who have been working preservation issues for years rather than folks who suddenly got religion only when their neck of the woods got involved.

    At the same time, I have no great sympathy for any business that announces they have examined all other alternatives and this is the only reasonable one .. and if you don’t do it -.. there will be rolling blackouts.

    why would you purposely have an “alternative” that runs smack through a tribal conservation area rather than go around it?

    that sounds like the kind of foolishness that VDOT has been accused of in some of their NEPA analyses…

    The purpose of NEPA is a PUBLIC PROCESS ..WHERE the alternatives are stated and costs and benefits examined – and the public participates – not something where VDOT or DVP tells the public they have looked at all other alternatives and THEY have decided the best path – take their word of it – and no.. the public cannot get involved earlier in the process.

    of course up Fredericksburg way – we have a subdivision that lacks internet and cell phone coverage and the cellular company proposed a tower and they opposed it because they wanted it not in their subdivision but over in the adjacent civil war battlefield where it would not ruin their viewshed!

    sometimes – both sides – deserve each other.

    1. Mr. G.,

      I’m curious as to who you consider the Johnny-come-lately.

      Year Founded Members of Save the James Coalition
      1889 Preservation Virginia
      1916 National Park Service
      1919 National Parks Conservation Association
      1926 Colonial Williamsburg Foundation
      1930 Colonial National Historical Park
      1949 National Trust for Historic Preservation
      1976 James River Association
      1991 American Battlefield Protection Program
      1998 Scenic Virginia
      1999 First California Company Jamestowne Society
      2006 Council of Virginia Archaeologist
      2008 Chesapeake Conservancy

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Oh I have great respect for these groups and for the things they have long sought to preserve and protect

        how many folks now involved in the James issue have been longstanding members of these groups AND are not personally affected by the towers?

        If something was worth protecting, then protection for it would have been a long standing advocacy effort BEFORE it got threatened.

        Having said that – I’d support crossing down where he ghost fleet is or a corridor along I-64, or gas generation plants on Hampton itself and would certainly want to verify DVP’s claim that this is the only acceptable solution.

        At this point, I do not see the only acceptable option as one that does deface the viewshed of the James but I also don’t have a lot of sympathy for the folks who suddenly got preservation religion and who had never been members of these organizations before – and now want their help.

        My personal view is that opposition needs to address viable alternatives (paths) also – not just oppose.

        1. Mr. G:

          The leadership of the organizations I listed have been and remain involved with the battle against the Surry-Skiffes transmission line. That should be sufficient for you. That said, however, I doubt you are aware how long members of the local community who are involved in this battle have fought, and with how much money, to bring the story of this section of the James to its rightful place in history. It began years before anyone contemplated S-SC.

          If you had any awareness of those efforts, you might understand that having those who are new to the true story about the Historic James at Hogs Island are more than welcomed, because it demonstrates that a whole lot of blood, sweat and tears in raising awareness have not been for nothing. Ephinanys can be a good thing. As for me, I’ve been at this for almost 10 years.

          Again, it would be helpful to learn about what has already taken place before castigating efforts. The opposition has offered several alternatives, paid significant sums for expert testimony to suggest other paths and continue to speak with experts on what is viable. You make our point, however, there are plenty of alternatives. Dominion, however, has been stuck on one solution and one solution only and the rest of the world be damned.

          Please see:

          http://www.nao.usace.army.mil/Missions/Regulatory/SkiffesCreekPowerLine.aspx

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Mr. Miuaiga – How long have people in the local community been working to secure State protection for that section of River?

            Can you show me the website or local organization and efforts to protect this viewshed?

            how far back have you been working to protect it?

            thanks

          2. Mr. G:

            Groups have been working since at least 1988 to protect this section of the James. The Scenic River provisions of the Code of Virginia are testament to that. Further, in 2008 a precise section of the Lower James was singled out in the Code of Virginia for protection.
            See: http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title10.1/chapter4.1/

            The NPS, Nationwide Rivers Inventory (NRI) is a listing of more than 3,400 free-flowing river segments in the United States that are believed to possess one or more “outstandingly remarkable” natural or cultural values judged to be of more than local or regional significance. The same section of the James, roughly, was included in this inventory beginning in 1982. The NRI comment about this expanse states the following, “Historic-(One of the most significant historic, relatively undeveloped rivers in the entire northeast region. Within or adjacent to the corridor are 4 National Historic Register Sites and one National Historic Park”. See: http://www.nps.gov/ncrc/programs/rtca/nri/states/va.html

            The 110th Congress passed a resolution designating the James River as, “America’s Founding River,” in 2007 as part of the 400th anniversary of the landing of the first colonists. See: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hres16/text

            Each and everyone of these designation came about because of the interest of local organizations, including Preservation Virginia, Scenic Virginia, Colonial National, Jamestown Rediscovery, Jamestown Society, Order of the Ancient Planters and the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation.

            I have been working personally on all things Historic Jamestown for nearly a decade. That includes leadership service, as well as being a significant (six figure) donor.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Thanks. http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title10.1/chapter4.1/
            seems to be pretty explicit and says this:

            ” B. In all planning for the use and development of water and related land resources which changes the character of a stream or waterway or destroys its historic, scenic or ecological values, full consideration and evaluation of the river as an historic, scenic and ecological resource should be given before such work is undertaken. Alternative solutions should also be considered before such work is undertaken.”

            Did DVP do that?

          4. Therein lies a significant problem. No, DVP did not do that. DVP bought and paid for two historical experts, neither of whom had ever visited the site, neither of whom has any credentials in history, one from Texas whose only point of reference was the Alamo. The SCC subsidiary of DVP then accepted their statements that there was nothing particularly special about this place. The Hearing Examiner of the DVP subsidiary, the SCC, said, “Well, since they referenced the Alamo in the context of this discussion, we will at least acknowledge that the area is historical.” Go figure.

            I think two Texans with nothing more than MBA’s trump the knowledge of America’s preeminent historical archaeologist, Dr. William Kelso, Dr. Jim Horn, Dr. Ed Chappell and CWF president, Colin Campbell, don’t you?

            In fact, the one thing that can be said about this entire process is that among the large pool of experts, volunteers and concerned citizens who have spoken to this project over the past three and a half years there has been NO ONE who speaks in its favor other than those for whom DVP has paid, and paid handsomely. Those who aren’t paid by DVP speak freely, and are resolutely opposed.

            All of this is part of the public record of prefiled and evidentiary testimony available on the SCC website. Part of the DVP game is to do such a massive document dump on regulators, experts and involved citizens that no one will bother to actually read and understand their game. They misjudged this time. It’s all there, if you care to bother, which I expect you won’t.

            See: http://www.scc.virginia.gov/DocketSearch#caseDocs/130773

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            your link was to a list of documents on the SCC site. do you have a link to the specific document(s)?

            If you are a 6 figure donor – then clearly you have the legal ability to hold DVP feet to the fire over the Va Code that says:

            “Alternative solutions should also be considered before such work is undertaken.”

          6. What do you think I’m doing? / Have been doing?

            Millions are walking around money for Tom Farrell and DVP’s billions.

            As you saw, there are thousands of pages of documentation on this matter.

            Here are links to the Hearing Examiner’s report. See particularly, Vol 3, document page numbered 134 and beyond.

            Vol. 1:
            http://www.scc.virginia.gov/docketsearch/DOCS/2tlg01!.PDF

            Vol 2:
            http://www.scc.virginia.gov/docketsearch/DOCS/2tlh01!.PDF

            Vol. 3:
            http://www.scc.virginia.gov/docketsearch/DOCS/2tl%2401!.PDF

            There is more, but that speaks to my reference.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            There is an extensive record – going through the SCC stuff but not seing anything about DVP looking at alternatives and showing pro-cons… is there such a document?

            and addressing Don and Acbar and the general issue of Firsties , population growth, and the ensuring need for infrastructure growth.

            Don, for instances, rails about the need for more roads…

            roads, pipelines, powerlines, etc, et al – are the consequence of population growth.

            and I’m quite sure that most of us, if not all of us have our threshold limit as to what we consider unacceptable in terms of degradation and where…

            I have found myself on both sides of the issue over the years and I suppose could be accused of playing both sides ….. depending on the locale and geography and specific impact.

            I have found interstate type highways to be far more intrusive because of the noise. If you ever doubt that try standing beside one one day.

            We live almost 10 miles as the crow flies from I-95 – in the woods and we can still hear it at times.

            I think I could swing either way over the James powerline issue but I also don’t think DVP really tried that hard to find an alternative and if they did – then I’ve yet to see any write-up that convinces me they did.

  6. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    I was going to stick by my rule to avoid energy issues but this is too much. My wife and I spent part of August sailing on the Gironde estuary in France, visiting UNESCO World Heritage Site after World Heritage Site, far older than Jamestown. Standing on the outer wall of a 17th century citadel at Blaye the guide pointed to a large industrial plant in the distance and said it was the largest employer in the region – a four reactor nuclear plant. Yep, four, count them, four containment domes. And all up and down that estuary (wider than the James) and on the related rivers the water was crossed by major power lines. I saw no shortage of tourist activity, no signs that people felt the Medoc or Margaux wines were somehow tainted. Not one of the folks we were with complained about the view being spoiled. I mean GET A LIFE.

    I had a similar experience several summers ago in Santa Barbara. No signs that the oil rigs visible off shore bothered anybody or had any negative impact.

  7. Mr. Haner,

    You might want to inform yourself about the uniqueness of this expanse of river, and why so many national preservation/conservation groups are working to save it from this project before you draw conclusions about something you clearly do not understand.

    You can start here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ekle6n88az41cun/keeper%20ltr.pdf?dl=0

    GET EDUCATED.

  8. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Unique? Really? On one side my family has roots in Virginia back to before the revolution, with the early generations living on and depending on the Shenandoah and then the New rivers. They are stunningly beautiful, as well, and the New is geologically far more significant than the James. Bridges and power lines cross them all. The whiners about this project fall into two categories – those who want to preserve a perfect view (which is indeed rare, but hardly unique) and those who want to keep our economy in tatters.

    I have seen the view you talk about, dozens of times, from both Jamestown and the Kingsmill waterfront. If the idea was to create a wilderness preserve, that opportunity is long gone. There is a power plant there, visible already! Not long ago the view was dominated by a bunch of rusting ships parked in the river! I do not think the towers would destroy the view, or even damage it that much. That is already an industrial river, a working river, and has been since the English came in 1607. Perhaps we should all go back to Europe so it really could be pristine – would that work for you?

    1. Mr. Haner,

      If you are intent in persisting with your lack of knowledge about this project, the arguments that have been put forth, the National Historic Preservation Act, a Resolution of Congress, a decision by the Keeper of the National Register and a determination by the major national preservation groups, there is not much I can do to help you.

      I would only say to you that an informed opinion is worth having. You might try it. And, congratulations on that FFV. It’s a big deal, I know.

  9. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    FFV? Hardly. At 1740 something my ancestors were a hundred years too late to be FFV. FFV lived on the James, profited from the James, and their descendants built the companies the populate the James. But I’m uninformed….

    1. Mr. Haner,

      We all are uninformed about many things. Thanks for giving me your personal history. So, make an effort to come back 140 years, learn about what happened on Jamestown Island between 1607 and 1699, and why it is worth saving.

      On that front, your knowledge appears a little weak.

  10. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Hey, unless you are a regular who has adopted a new nom de plume, you are a newbie to this forum. Otherwise you’d know you are losing this exchange and you’d stop poking me.

    If Dominion was planning to plant a tower on the Jamestown site or string the lines directly overhead, I’d be right there complaining. But its not. The lines will be visible from the waterfront. When visitors are there, 99 percent of the time they will not see the lines. I get that somebody with a million dollar house on the river will be upset, but the argument that Jamestown is somehow sacred ground and the view is sacrosanct in the true meaning of the word is absurd. You can’t throw a rock in Virginia without having it land near some patch of land with history, and as noted at the beginning, that is even more true in Europe.

    1. Mr. Haner,

      How can I say this any differently such that you might entertain something other than your bumper sticker mentality? Bother to learn. Take time. You would find it refreshing, perhaps. Or, not. Challenging your dogmatic notions clearly makes you very uncomfortable.

      I have provided a number of independent sources that you might choose to use for your edification, were you to contemplate such a novel concept. There are many more. I say, again, GET EDUCATED!

  11. My advice is to watch these gas line deals closely. There are a number of major gas lines running through Northern Virginia. One runs through my neighborhood crossing my street about 1/2 mile from my house. It is one of those “grassy knoll” pipelines that has very little of its mechanicals above ground. You can certainly see where the pipeline runs but I had previously felt it was an accommodation to an industrialized society that my neighbors and I had to accept. Recently, that has changed. The gas pipeline company (for reasons known apparently only to itself) decided to cut down a large number of old growth trees that were along its right of way. I’d estimate that these trees were 50 – 75 years old. In other words, the trees were there before the pipeline so it’s hard to imagine why the trees were suddenly such a problem. This left a very clear empty space in the right of way. Not satisfied with that bit of environmental terrorism the gas pipeline company then posted a series of 4 – 5 ft tall plastic poles indicating that there is a gas pipeline underneath the cleared right of way. The poles appear to be placed about every 100 – 200 meters along the right of way. Somehow the gas pipeline company knew where its pipeline was without all these poles but now need a series of poles to find the pipeline in the middle of an obvious grassy right of way.

    Needless to say, our ever vigilant Fairfax County Supervisor – John Foust seems oblivious to this. Which is why I will be voting for Jennifer Chronis (R) in this Fall’s election. Foust’s ability to focus on just about everything except his constituents has finally caused me to drop my support for him. It’s time for John to move on from the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors.

    1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      And also vote your best interests.

    2. I have no idea why the gas company did what it did — sounds terrible. But it surely had some reason, not matter how misguided. One possibility to consider is that it was following federal regulations. If it was a gas transmission line, not a gas distribution line, that’s likely the case.

      The Feds have seemingly logical reasons for all sorts of things, which, when implemented on the ground, turn out to be insane. As for Foust, the matter could have been totally out of his hands. I’m not saying necessarily that it was, I’m just saying to check it out before ripping him a new one.

  12. Andrew Roesell Avatar
    Andrew Roesell

    DonR, in defense of John Foust: He is strongly supporting the preservation of Marmota Farm on Georgetown Pike. We have that to be thankful to him. But vote your conscience.

    1. John is certainly not all bad. I have supported him in the past. However, his failed attempt to get elected to the US Congress seemed to be indicative of a certain boredom with his present position on the BoS. His attention to his constituents seems diminished. After 8 years in office I think it’s time for a change. I thank John for his service but will be supporting his opponent absent some new revelation.

  13. When I moved to NoVa the Fairfax County population was under 1/2 million. Today it is way more than double that. Dranesville District has not changed in geography but has more than doubled in number of residents.

    When I moved to Fairfax I could drop in on my Dranesville supervisor without an appointment. Today I am lucky to get an appointment at all, except with a member of the extensive staff in his office.

    Jim teed up this discussion with a reflection on the paralysis of decision-making in this country, aka institutional gridlock, aka Rule of Firsties, etc., and AR took it to the next level with his observation,

    “What this “progress,” so called, is, in reality, the ruination of the quality of life for current residents so that more residents can be brought in, with the greatest beneficiaries being the wealthy class of investors who finance these projects, who, even as they style themselves “conservatives,” are, as Marx noted of this bourgeoisie, “the most revolutionary class in history.” ”

    Let’s face it, we are talking about inexorable population growth. The only way to freeze the status quo and preserve what’s left of the past without limiting if not crippling the future is — well, unacceptable. I’m not proposing that we bring back the Plagues of the 14th century, but those population reductions produced a middle-class economic revolution in Europe.

    Modern Europe also has been through rebuilding after war, and a period of stultifying bureaucracy particularly in the east. Europe has a lot more experience collectively with balancing growth, or “progress” if you will, with preservation. Yet I don’t know if I’d like to live where there’s a regulation for everything and sometimes the only way to get anything done involves personal connections or graft.

    Is that the price we must pay to get preserved viewscapes and gentrified little towns and pristine mountaintops? I hope not. We have laws that require the SCC to make certain judgments, and they did, and some well-intending folks disagree strongly with those judgments, and the debate continues; but at some point (which I think is now) we need to move on. I continue to believe DVP put themselves into this public-opinion/regulatory box by framing the issue so that a win-win was made unnecessarily difficult; how and why they did that is worth discussing after the fact; but it can’t be changed in the short run.

    In the long run, transmission lines can be relocated, including overhead lines placed underwater.

  14. In addition to the Rule of Firsties, we need to remember the much older adage of “The boy who cried wolf.”
    The James River opposition seems to be truly valid.
    Unfortunately, there have been so many instances of bad faith or silly opposition to almost anything being done in the state that the good people get lumped in with the bad.
    Too many people have “cried wolf” and so the really bad projects may get approved because so much “crying” has been done to prevent worthwhile projects that do no harm.

    1. I could not agree more!!

      Thanks.

  15. Mr. G.:

    There is much more to this. That’s why we are still in review after three years. For those who think this is easy, read all of the documents on the SCC website about this case, then read all of the documents at the Army Corps about this case, then read 27,ooo emails that were sent to the Corps decrying this project and why. I have. It matters — that much.

    If we can’t save this place, then nothing else merits much attention. Maybe if this project were being built thru the River Course at CCV, or on the Lawn at UVA, folks in RVA might give a darn, but it isn’t and they don’t.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Miuaiga – can you direct me to the document where DVP documents what alternatives they considered?

      thanks

      1. There is significant detail of what I refer to as a document dump on the SCC website, designed to try the patience of the most experienced engineer. Trust me, we paid for one. Your cursory review might begin on the Corps website: http://www.nao.usace.army.mil/Missions/Regulatory/SkiffesCreekPowerLine.aspx
        Along the right hand side, down a bit, you will see a heading titled, Alternative’s Analysis, with three links under that. That’s prepared by DVP and their paid consultant, Stantec. Please review that. If you would like more, I will attempt to direct it to you in the SCC files, but its hundreds of pages.

        The Dominion Two-Step in A Thousand Pages.

      2. G:

        Here are a smattering of sources from the SCC. Real testing didn’t begin until we were into the public hearing phase. It started with this memo:
        http://www.scc.virginia.gov/docketsearch/DOCS/2qq801!.PDF

        If you use that date as a starting point on the SCC site, reviewing subsequent filings, you may be able to see that DVP’s 38 days and 700 hours, see memo, produces what one would expect from such an exercise done by the company for their own benefit.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          I can already see one huge flaw. They are comparing the replacement cost of a gas plan at Yorktown to the crossing cost without comparing the replacement cost of Yorktown on the Southside of the James PLUS the cost of transmitting it.

          In other words – they are comparing the transmission costs alone with the gas replacement costs at Yorktown.

          What are the replacement costs for Yorktown at Yorktown compared to south of the James ?

          Has DVP already decided to replace the Yorktown with other plants new or to be built South of the James ?

          Why would a new gas plant south of the James PLUS the new transmission lines be less expensive than a replacement gas plant at Yorktown? All things equal the gas plants would cost the same and the new lines additional.

          the correct comparison would be expanded gas lines to Yorktown plus a new plant – compared to a new plant south of the James PLUS the new lines over the James.

          I appears to me that DPV really did not take the alternatives analysis very serious.

          1. Mr. G,

            Right you are! Dominion offered whatever alternatives only as a red herring. The evidence supports the fact that they have had no interest in any alternative. None. That has been our point to the Corps because a review of alternatives is part of their mandate in reviewing this project.

            But, you have hit on a perspective that those of us who have been drinking from a fire hydrant on this topic had not considered. I will follow up later. In the meantime, here is a link to the application that the company filed with the SCC, seeking approval to build the new Brunswick County gas-fired plant. For your purposes, look only at document page numbered, “4.”
            https://www.dropbox.com/s/rufpct7lx7m8xni/dvp%20brunswick%20county%20scc%20app.pdf?dl=0

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            it does appear that DVP – chose to replace the Yorktown Plants on the South side of the James rather than on the North side and that then made the crossing an imperative.

            Another separate but related issue I noticed was this article about DVP powerline proposal:

            Dominion announces new powerline focus

            the issue revolved around where to put the added stuff but then I saw this:

            ” And while the project still aims to answer problems identified by regional transmission organization PJM Interconnection involving reliability and a possible overload in the summer of 2018, with an additional fix for a lack of redundancy at the Pratts substation, Dominion’s approach to the solution has changed.”

            It was/is the involvement of PJM that made me realize that apparently DVP alone is not driving some of these things.

            I tried to find PJM’s equivalent in the James River issue -wondering what, if any, of their input, coordination was involved and whether they were driving some reliability aspect that, in turn, wanted a crossing of some kind.

            but again – all things equal (and they never are) – the issue of WHERE to put the replacement of Yorktowns generation seems very relevant and, if you don’t replace them geographically close and choose to replace south of the James – it does drive that crossing – but that’s an ADDITIONAL cost – comparing the crossing cost to the cost of the replacement generation makes no sense. You need apples to apples on generation – and transmission – and fuel supply.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            per VDP’s application for the Brunswick Plant – in their narrative:

            ” The retirements at Chesapeake and Yorktown will reduce the Company’s system supply resources by more than 900 MW by 2015. Likewise, generators in the PJM RTO have already announced the retirement of more than 19,000 MW of coal-fired generating capacity from 2011 through 2019, with most of that capacity retiring by the end of 2015.

            Brunswick reflects a cost-effective, environmentally responsible, and timely replacement of the Company’s retiring resources.”

            So Dominion actually CHOSE to put the replacement generation on the south side of the James rather than on the North side – and that, in turn, certainly gives impetus to the need for the crossing.

            The question is – were their other reasons also and even if there were – it appears that not providing a replacement to Yorktown in the general region of Yorktown – on the peninsula itself – certainly pre-ordains the likelihood of reliability issues – without a crossing.

            It would seem to me – at the very least – VDP owes a legitimate discussion of why this choice was made vice planning for a gas plant on the peninsula proper even if additional gas capacity would be needed.

            Even with NEPA – the courts do not require that a “good” decision be made – only than one that is “informed” by information. One thing that can undo a NEPA study is “incomplete information” and that appears to be a problem with the crossing proposal.

            There certainly needs to be an honest discussion as to why a replacement plant was not planned near the location of the Yorktown Plant and it comes as no surprise that if that was not done – even if replacement generation was planned, but south of the James – that such a decision would certainly bring with it – reliability concerns.

            Did DVP actually help exasperate the reliability issue by not planning replacement generation on the Peninsula itself?

  16. Larry G asks:

    Did DVP actually help exasperate the reliability issue by not planning replacement generation on the Peninsula itself?

    And I in turn ask: Where would they put a generation plant on the Peninsula and what fuel do you think they could use to run it on?

    1. Only DVP knows why they didn’t replace generation on the Peninsula. Remember, they are also closing six units at Chesapeake Energy Center, leaving Hampton Roads without generation source. They have said there is not sufficient gas supplies to support generation. Experts in the field have told us that is simply not true. However, the gas that is there is not owned by DVP.

      We have questioned why the gigantic federal complex in Hampton Roads has not been engaged at all in recognizing that they will soon have no generation source nearby, rather they will be dependent upon vulnerable, aerial transmission lines. It would seem that exposure to storms, accidents and mostly terrorist attack would elicit security concerns about three major arteries of imported power.

      As to fuel, natural gas is an option, as is biomass.

      Aside from the new gas-fired Brunswick County plant, DVP has just applied to build another gas-fired generation plant in Greensville. So, plenty of money, it appears, for constructions, and the ability to pass on the costs to consumers using the notorious riders that have been recently highlighted in the press.

      As for PJM—

      PJM’s perspective is at the 30,000′ level. It appears that their planning and continuous checks of potential system failures identify weaknesses, but observation indicates that the member companies are the ones who offer the solutions and PJM just goes along with them, assuming the problems have been addressed. PJM didn’t design or suggest Surry-Skiffes Creek; DVP did. In PJM’s 2012 RTEP report, they note that a solution that works, albeit, less robust, is to keep Yorktown 2 open and run a 230 kV. A 230 kV can be submerged. A 230 kV’s cost cannot, however, be socialized. DVP would have to eat that.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        PJM apparently supports DVP crossing proposal but I’d not be surprised that they just signed off on it without being aware of the viewshed issue.

        How does Chesapeake power get to the Peninsula? It appears to generated 2-3 times what Yorktown does.

        also – Yorktown generates what 1200 mw? how does that compare to how much power the James crossing can carry? I’m wondering if the James Crossing can even carry enough power to replace Yorktown.

        you would think that VDP would have, in fact, showed how enough replacement power would be able to go across the James and where replacement power was being sited – and why?

        for instance, why not also site replacement power at Chesapeake?

        why not have a replacement plant east of Richmond where existing natural gas capacity is already available?

        DVP – alternatives analysis is not really so much an alternatives analysis as a justification for their already-made decision.

        Sorry, I don’t put much stock in biomass … especially if it means cutting trees and such … natural gas is the way to go

        I don’t think one has to go to fringe technologies to suggest alternatives as conventional ones seem already available but not chosen ….

  17. LarrytheG Avatar

    by expanding the existing VNG natural gas pipelines already going to the peninsula?

    and if you’re already proposing new pipelines – why not add a spur and plan to have not only enough gas for a replacement plant but future plants?

    Does the proposed James powerline crossing provide enough capacity to replace the Yorktown/Chesapeake loss and additional capacity for the future?

  18. LarrytheG Avatar

    Is there a PJM comment on the proposed crossing?

  19. LarrytheG Avatar

    @rowinguy – if we can route power – independent of geography – why do we need a James River crossing?

    if we had a new gas plants on existing VNG and Columbia Gas lines near I-95 in Richmond – why would that not be able to provide power to Hampton down the northern part of the peninsula?

    how are the Chesapeake Coal plants now routing power to Hampton?

    why can’t Chesapeake Coal plants be replaced with Natural Gas Plants and continue to ship power to Hampton over those existing paths?

  20. LarrytheG Avatar

    DVP’s main position seems to be “it’s too late to try to increase natural gas supplies to Hampton and now that we have waited, we have NO CHOICE but to not only cross the James but only one point”.

    Out of hundreds of pages of paper filed with the SCC – this appears to be the essence of their position.

    This is entirely separate from the idea of impact to visual of the James.

    this has to do with basic process and policy – even if there were no impacts to visual.

    I’m not allied with or opposed to the folks who decry the visual impact but I do question DVP’s strategy, timing and tactics because they DID have (and still do) the opportunity to pursue actually replacing generation on Hampton itself which would make good sense because even a 500kv line is not likely to completely supply the needs of Hampton- alone – anyhow. Where is the rest of the power coming from?

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