The July Surprise from Congress – a Completely Revised Energy Economy by 2030

It’s simple. Let’s write a bill and put a date certain on it.  What could go wrong? Courtesy BP

by James C. Sherlock

Here at Bacon’s Rebellion we spend a lot of ink talking about Virginia energy demand and supply. We debate the ideas of both sides of the discussion. Turns out that we made the mistake of thinking these were state issues.

Democrats in Congress are about to intervene in every part of that discussion in a reconciliation bill to be passed with 50 votes in the Senate.

First, consider the inside joke of the title of an act to be buried in the reconciliation bill: “The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022.”

  • Congressional Democrats propose to fight inflation by pouring another $369 billion into the economy in a period of extremely high inflation and by raising taxes in a recession.
  • Projection of the writers of the bill: “slash” the country’s carbon emissions by roughly 40% by 2030 — less than 8 years.
  • No risk is recognized in completely upending the nation’s energy economy — “slashing” it to use the term of art.
  • No controls offered to make sure that corruption doesn’t follow the money.
  • No controls offered to make sure the money accomplishes its goals.
  • No word on how the production of plastics, synthetic fabrics, fertilizer, concrete, asphalt, paraffin wax used by electric companies to insulate wires, steel, petrochemicals, and sulfur removed from petroleum used in the pharmaceutical and agrochemical industries might be impacted.
  • No tongues in cheeks when promising low-income Americans a $7,500 tax credit to buy a $65,000 electric vehicle.
  • No mention anywhere of how this bill merges seamlessly with the major climate “investments” in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act.
  • No word on how the new taxes, which will be popular with voters, will affect employment and capital investment. You know, capital investment, the money corporations use to bring innovation to market.  Or on the risk-reward calculations of investment decisions in early stage companies.
  • No indication of market effects when for-profit businesses pay the new taxes and their self-declared “not-for-profit” competitors in, say, the hospital industry do not.  No calculation of the effects on insurance rates.
  • Or, as Steve Haner points out, on the international competitiveness of American products with higher prices and less reliable energy.

The only thing that matters: Joe Manchin has agreed to it.

Money for everyone. A partial list:

  • a $10 billion investment tax credit to manufacturing facilities for things like electric vehicles, wind turbines, and solar panels;
  • $30 billion for additional production tax credits to accelerate domestic manufacturing of solar panels, wind turbines, batteries and critical minerals processing;
  • up to $20 billion in loans to build new clean vehicle manufacturing facilities across the U.S.;
  • $2 billion to revamp existing auto plants to make clean vehicles;
  • $20 billion for the agriculture sector and $3 billion to reduce air pollution at ports;
  • $9 billion for the federal government to buy American-made clean technologies, including $3 billion for the U.S. Postal Service to buy zero-emission vehicles;
  • unspecified funding for a program to reduce methane emissions;
  • $27 billion clean energy technology accelerator to support deployment of technologies that curb emissions and $2 billion for breakthrough energy research in government labs;
  • $5 billion in grants to support healthy forests, forest conservation, and urban tree planting, and $2.6 billion in grants to conserve and restore coastal habitats;
  • about $30 billion in grant and loan programs for states and electric utilities to advance the clean energy transition;
  • more than $60 billion to address the unequal effects of pollution on low-income communities and communities of color;
  • For individuals, a $7,500 tax credit to buy new electric vehicles and a $4,000 credit for buying a used one. Both credits would only be available to lower and middle income consumers.

Senator Manchin said, apparently without choking, about this bill that:

Over the last year, leaders in Washington have ignored repeated warnings about the severe threat of inflation and the consequences of unprecedented domestic spending.

We must be honest about the economic reality America now faces if we want to avoid fanning the flames of inflation.

America cannot spend its way out of debt or out of inflation.

Rather than risking more inflation with trillions in new spending, this bill will cut the inflation taxes Americans are paying, lower the cost of health insurance and prescription drugs, and ensure our country invests in the energy security and climate change solutions we need to remain a global superpower through innovation rather than elimination. Whether it is the threats to our energy security, high inflation, exploding national debt, persistent income inequality, supply chain chaos or the emergence of a new Cold War, it is time to put away the partisan swords and advance legislation that is in the best interests of the future of this nation and the American people we all represent – not just one party.

This legislation ensures that the market will take the lead, rather than aspirational political agendas or unrealistic goals, in the energy transition that has been ongoing in our country. (emphasis added)

It is past time for America to begin paying down our $30 trillion national debt and get serious about the record inflation that is crushing the wages of American workers.
In practical terms, the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 would dedicate hundreds of billions of dollars to deficit reduction by adopting a tax policy that protects small businesses and working-class Americans while ensuring that large corporations and the ultra-wealthy pay their fair share in taxes.

Really.  He actually said “the market will take the lead.” Someone on his staff should read these things before they release them.

Instead, Congress with this bill will pick instant economic winners and losers without waiting for the market to arrive at the solutions it seeks. It will throw money at everything simultaneously with absolutely no controls to determine if it produces the desired outcomes. Intentions are all that count.

No word on how the economy will absorb all of this new money without the waste and corruption that inevitably accompany such spending explosions. The tax increases, primarily a federal corporate minimum tax of 15% on companies “worth” more than a billion dollars, will be widely popular.  I assume the term “worth” refers to enterprise value: Enterprise Value = (Market Value of Company + Total Debts) – (Cash+ Cash Equivalents).   I am sure it polls well. How that plays out in practice is unknown — by anyone.

How will the vast new taxes, expected to raise $739 billion in tax revenue, affect employment, for example, or capital investment to create efficiencies and better products? How will it affect

  • Stock prices in your 401k?
  • Investments in early-stage companies?
  • Dividends?
  • Monetary policy?

Democrats in Congress do not know, and may not care, but I expect many of them hope for the best. But hope, of course, is not a strategy. This crowd says it expects to turn the energy economy on a dime with only good outcomes.

So, it will raise spending into inflation and raise taxes into a recession.

What could go wrong?

July surprise, November election, 2023 regret.

Updated July 28 13:35.


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88 responses to “The July Surprise from Congress – a Completely Revised Energy Economy by 2030”

  1. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    Sinema hasn’t maybe she will stick to principles Manchin that wouldn’t and never could. We are officially in a recession and it will continue to worsen.

  2. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Typical Democrats. They see a catastrophe coming in November and try to rush a pork based bill into law so their incumbents have something to crow about. As for the “spending into inflation” and “raising taxes into a recession” – Democrats have been economically illiterate for decades.

  3. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    “Congressional Democrats propose to fight inflation by pouring another $369 billion into the economy in a period of extremely high inflation and raising taxes in a recession.”

    Clearly our “Congresspersons” don’t know what causes inflation. Apparently, economics wasn’t a required class for all the JD’s that aren’t being used.

  4. What about the section stating that Paulie P gets to buy stocks early and make another killing before his next DUI

  5. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Pretty amazing that Manchin changed, eh? Lotta sour grapes here!

    I do have a question. If the Feds increase the interest costs and it’s said it will cause a recession, then if “stimulus” is directed at producing jobs that are lost from home-building, … what happens?

    In other words, if stimulus money is spent on jobs that produce infrastructure – you know like those “shovel-ready” projects or FDRs jobs programs and CCC camps that build “stuff” like dams and parks that are still around today….

    Was there a deal for Manchin? do bears do it in the woods?

    will there be other deals for other Senators? bears in woods?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Is the Pope Catholic?

      1. WayneS Avatar

        I don’t know, is he?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Who is he?

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Yeah, they changed the name. Bet the SOB pumps his holding tanks into the Potomac, too.

  7. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    This is MISINFORMATION!
    We are not in a recession. Just like we have a new definition for vaccine, the Biden administration now tells us that 2 quarters of negative growth is not a recession. Jeff Dunetz at Lidblog.com has a number of helpful suggestions for the new definition –
    A recession is when the economy is so bad that President Biden reopens the Keystone pipeline and allows drilling at ANWR.
    Kamala Harris goes to the southern border two quarters in a row.
    Six straight months where Iran’s Supreme Leader is not discovered sleeping with a goat.
    Things are so bad that Paul Pelosi passes up two opportunities for insider trading.
    Two negative quarters PLUS a cow and a goat run to the top of the Empire State Bldg,
    MSNBC goes two weeks without declaring the end of democracy, and/or the GOP is evil.
    Two consecutive quarters that Putin does not take off his shirt and ride a horse.
    Former President Trump, Former presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton, and former Georgia Governor Candidate Stacy Abrams all stopped complaining that their last election was stolen from them.
    Biden still keeps an open border, but he puts up a toll booth to replace some of the overspending by the Democratic Party-controlled Congress.
    The NY Jets win two Super Bowls in a row (if they pick this one, there won’t be a recession under a Democratic President for at least a century).
    Adam Schiff passes up two opportunities to leak fake anti-Republican information.

    Hope this helps!

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “… the Biden administration now tells us that 2 quarters of negative growth is not a recession.”

      Well, in truth, it was the Bush administration that reminded us of that first; probably even Nixon before him.

      The two-Q negative change in GDP is an indicator of a recession based on backward looking at previous recessions for commonality. It is NOT the definition of recession. Just thought you’d like to know.

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        Normally you confine yourself to snark…
        When did you and the AP get the new definition?
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46b8cece3e528d1687d8d720e955639caa346211e83fd02e7bfc29d1723e770d.jpg

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          “Experts declare a recession when a nation’s economy experiences negative gross domestic product (GDP), rising levels of unemployment, falling retail sales, and contracting measures of income and manufacturing for an extended period of time.Jul 12, 2022”

          https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/what-is-a-recession/

          I’ll defer to Forbes rather than the AP or whatever meme you use…

          Now, it will be fun to watch Powell turning his one and only one adjustment screw in hopes of getting the engine to idle smoothly.

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Oh, right…Forbes in July, after getting the Biden memo…falls in lockstep.
            Have you adopted the new definition of woman yet?

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            https://www.frbsf.org/education/publications/doctor-econ/2007/february/recession-depression-difference/

            Halfway down the first page. DATE 2007. Same defn.

            Your next snappy retort: “Yeah, but Biden was Obama’s VP and he probably learned from him that trick of putting things, like birth annoucements, in the newspaper decades before you need them.”

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Huh?
            Your people changed the accepted definition cuz it made their puppet look bad. The problem is some people have memories beyond talking points of the day…
            Stick to snark…
            https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/biden-economic-adviser-previously-defined-recession-as-two-consecutive-quarters-of-negative-growth/ar-AA104zqe?fromMaestro=true

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            “Huh?”

            I’ll type slowly. That’s a 2007 paper defining a recession and as you can see, it is MORE than just two quarters of negative GDP growth.

            That paper from the SF Reserve Bank gives the link to the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), but this is the definition of a recession from NBER:
            “A recession is a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales. A recession begins just after the economy reaches a peak of activity and ends as the economy reaches its trough. Between trough and peak, the economy is in an expansion. Expansion is the normal state of the economy; most recessions are brief and they have been rare in recent decades.”

            ACCORDING TO YOU, Biden changed the definition of a recession. If he did, he did it in 2007. Pretty damned clever of him.

            Now, are there any other questions?

          5. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Oh….Brain dead Biden did this in 2007.
            While all the rest of the world has been using 2 negative quarters so when he would steal the 2020 election and blow up the world with the idiot policies of his controllers he animatronically reads or slurs or creates new words from the TOTUS (teleprompter of the United States, the real President), then he could say the new definition. Gotta say, didn’t know he was that smart.
            Looking forward to your medieval tracts on flat Earth. Seriously, you Lefties are nice little trained lemmings, useful idiots of today, spouting the narrative of his puppetmasters, walking off the cliff, winning one for the Gaffer…

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            No one — repeat — no one ever used just two negative GDP growth quaters alone except people who do not understand economics, which apparently includes journalism majors and you.

          7. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Oh…so you read the article I sent with Biden’s advisor using that metric?
            That was 2019. And it makes total sense that Biden’s economic advisor is a journalism major, like you – the new kind – repeating mindless Dem talking points shamelessly. At least I read the stupidity you and Larry and Troll mindlessly link to, to see if there might possibly be a point. And to the extent there is, it is out of context and misleading cuz you have to lie to sell Leftism.
            Here is the Biden journalism major acting as Econ advisor – https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/biden-economic-adviser-previously-defined-recession-as-two-consecutive-quarters-of-negative-growth/ar-AA104zqe?fromMaestro=true
            Stick to snark. Dems lies du jour don’t sell here…

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            His (the advisor) being wrong by using a rule of thumb is not justification for you being wrong too. So. Nothing more to say unless you insist on continuing to be wrong.

          9. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            So you’re demanding he be fired, right?
            What are today’s talking points?
            Insisting his deep fake videos are real?
            Just haven’t tuned in yet for the daily dose of Dem stupidity…
            Is it that the Manchin deal will lower inflation like the act says? Which Econ advisers are saying that? The same ones who talked about “transitory?” Or is he using the safe and effective medical advisors? (You know, the ones who said if you get vaxed, you won’t get Covid). They are all so good!

          10. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Wait! I figured it out! You are a Wikipedia editor, like Larry is related to Dr. St. Fau(x)ci…
            All makes sense now…
            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11060135/Wikipedia-SUSPENDS-edits-recession-page-woke-users-changed-definition-Bidens.html

          11. WayneS Avatar

            ACCORDING TO YOU, Biden changed the definition of a recession. If he did, he did it in 2007.

            Well, Biden was in Washington for nearly 50 years before he became president. He clearly was not learning how to be a leader, but he must have been up to something

            😉

          12. WayneS Avatar

            He can adjust all he wants, until a smaller main jet is installed, the thing’s going to run rich – at least until the tank is dry.

          13. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Every one of these “recessions” are different. They’ll be talking about this one for decades. Demand is up, supply is screwed up, people are employeed, housing at the starter end is flying off the shelves, and GDP is receding.

            Personally, I’m of the view that we are going to go like gangbusters in 6 months.

            More people will be saying, “Dammit! I wish I bought in the Summer of ’22,” than who have said, “I wish I had sold in December ’21”.

  8. So, Congress is poised to turn the entire U.S. energy sector over to rent seeking. The potential for pork, payola, graft, waste, and inefficiency are limitless. We have a ruling class that not only is the most incompetent in the history of the republic but is the most arrogant in presuming that it can run another massive sector of the economy. The one certain result is that Congress will do to energy what it has already done to healthcare, military contracting, education, and everything else it touches. Never in the history of the country has Congressional meddling in an economic sector resulted in lower prices. The energy future is shortages and higher prices.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      What BS! What the US has done – is the envy of the world.

      rank the countries to see where we sit.

      JAB eats, thinks, and drinks boomergeddon!

      People come here to get college at world class universities.

      People come here for medical care – the best in the world.

      People want to move here because of the opportunity that other countries lack.

      Yeah, we got problems and challenges.

      we always had and we usually manage to meet them.

      Too many like JAB that have an all or nothing mindset… half-glass thinking.

      Literally don’t realize just how lucky and fortunate they are to have been born in this country instead of one of those _hithole countries.

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        Thanks for the usual Rah-Rah government MR. SCIENCE!
        Is education better since fed involvement?
        Is the health system?
        Hey, Lar, did you hear that the government censored misinformation (definition – true statements that disagree with the government) during Covidiocy?
        Remember the “shovel ready” jobs?
        This is payola and graft and inefficiency and a boondoggle and will be throwing gas on the fire, hurting the poor and benefitting the elite (who are racists, judging people by skin color).
        Where will the electricity for all those electric vehicles come from? Unicorn farts! Problem solved!

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          better than before? without question. People used to have barely an 8th grade education and died when they hit 65. 2/3 of seniors lived in poverty.

          Who got electricity to rural America?

          What you don’t have is 100% nirvana and never will so never understand why that is your “standard”.

          It was the GOP that wanted to let the auto companies and banks go bankrupt, right?

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            As usual…wrong.
            I got a better education at Warsaw Elementary in Richmond County, not exactly a rich place, than the kids get in the West End of Henrico. I could read better. I could do math better. I knew more history. We weren’t fat. We weren’t medicated.
            Medicine has advanced. The practice has not and the costs have skyrocketed.
            Funny how when the government “helps,” prices go up and quality drops…
            Larry – News Flash – the New Deal was 80+ years ago (and didn’t work, but you do you!)

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            taxpayers paid for your education?

            hey, lets do a list of what Conservatives have opposed over time.

            remember repeal and replace?

            remember Medicaid expansion?

            how about Medicare and Social Security?

            rural electrification?

            rural roads?

            central banks

            CDC and FDA?

            NASA and NOAA?

            lots more… right?

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – can you read? Do you understand I am not arguing for no roads? I am not arguing for no government? I am arguing for better government, accountability, less waste, real results. Your policies don’t work. The kids are stupider. Black Lives Matter only as a symbol while Black Lives are made worse by all the policies the benevolent government imposes to “help.” And you seriously want to argue for the CDC? How did the CDC do on the disease control part? Why was the CDC funding gain of function research? How come the “cases” are occurring in the triple and quadruple vaxed at higher rates than the evil unvaxed? Is it possible (I know – impossible for you to comprehend from your beloved government) that the “safe and effective” was not “and effective,” and maybe (again, not for you to be able to comprehend), maybe not even “safe?” Asking for a friend…
            Will the printing of money we don’t have cause more inflation? Will the increased taxes create recessionary pressure? Will there be graft in the free for all (you have already alluded to wild bear fecal elimination occurring in the woods)? Will the policies “unexpectedly” fail (repeat the bear allusion)? Will this make life worse for 95% of Americans (repeat allusion)? Will the elite benefit (repeat allusion)?

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Yep. “better” according to you?

            and borders on tearing it down and starting over?

            no can do, guy.

            Build on what does work – give credit for what does work and improve it.

            the all or nothing, govt needs to be 100% good or else is bogus.

            And the trouble is if we take from you what you don’t like then add that to what other conservative don’t like, we end up with nothing ya’ll like.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Yep. “better” according to you?

            and borders on tearing it down and starting over?

            no can do, guy.

            Build on what does work – give credit for what does work and improve it.

            the all or nothing, govt needs to be 100% good or else is bogus.

            And the trouble is if we take from you what you don’t like then add that to what other conservative don’t like, we end up with nothing ya’ll like.

          6. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            You are wasting your time.

          7. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            You’re right. I guess all the idealism hasn’t died yet…

          8. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Safe to say if you folks were in charge, we’d be into full Alice in Wonderland for agencies like the CDC and FDA.

            It’s ironic in your case – you actually depend on science to keep you alive, right?

          9. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – I am not an automaton, mindlessly repeating the daily Dem talking points. I have the ability to look at reality and think.
            The CDC is a joke. It was not ready for “controlling” disease. Masks, ventilators (which were not effective and increased dying). It did not do disease control; it did disease generation. Then it made up policies that didn’t work. It suppressed inexpensive treatments that did work. Then it advocated policies violating the Nuremberg Code. It appears to me, a rational human being with a brain, that it is subject to regulatory capture. (Because it has been and is.)
            You see Larry, it is possible for a person with a rational brain to believe in the science behind the treatment of AML and the bone marrow treatment protocol, without believing in SCIENCE! as a religion.
            Science is a process, constantly subject to testing and falsification. Real scientists are not offended by people challenging them – they would believe the challenge would come to the same conclusion using the data. Hiding behind consensus and suppressing challenges reveals to me that the “scientist” knows his premise is falsifiable. But this is true of all Leftism – hence censorship.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Might say the same for you!

            Ya’ll have a wacko view of govt and science, and really, realities at times.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Okay Boomer.

  9. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
    Ronnie Chappell

    I predict the Biden Administration manages this rapid transition to low carbon energy with the same expertise used to create an avoidable baby formula shortage after they shut down a plant that accounted for about half of US supply.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Or … with the same expertise, excellence of execution and finesse as the Biden Administration showed with the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        not the prettiest thing but can easily say that any other POTUS would not have done better and for that matter, no prior POTUS had the guts to do it – they all continued to live the lie – just like Vietnam.

        We crippled and killed thousands of soldiers over a lie.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      If you’re looking for perfection, you’re in the wrong place and century.

      Govt “works” but never 100%

      two steps forward, one step back.

      true story!

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      As opposed to stocking shelves with contaminated product?

      Wait? Who put a tariff on Nestle’s?

      1. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
        Ronnie Chappell

        Never any proof that any contaminated product ever came out of the facility. The bacteria found in one area of the plant is common in many homes and formula linked to infant deaths could have easily been contaminated after opening of the product by parents who failed to take proper care. On the issue of tariff’s, they could and should have been easily waived — along with labeling requirements, etc. — once the government shut down the plant. This crisis was easily foreseen by anyone with half a brain and easily avoidable.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Oh well… so much for safe than sorry. Especially given Abbott’s, ahem, sterling reputation.

          1. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
            Ronnie Chappell

            Was never a choice between safe or sorry. Biden’s inept bureaucrats could have arranged for the import of baby formula from Canada, the EU and other places the day they shut down the plant…… formula that was being safely consumed by babies in those countries and which, though belatedly, is being consumed by babies in the US. If Biden had half a brain, he’d have fired everyone at the FDA who caused so many parents needless distress.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You do realize that government employees and the agencies don’t turn over every 4 or 8 years, right?

            Apparently, the only agency that needs to be completely sacked is the law enforcement agency that cannot preserve evidence, the USSS.

          3. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
            Ronnie Chappell

            Senior leaders are political appointees which change with administration and most career federal employees are Democrats if election returns in DC, Northern VA and Maryland are any indication of who lives there. These are the people who persuaded Biden to go on TV and tell the public no one could have seen this coming. If Biden really believes that, he’s as inept as the people working for him.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            “… the day they shut down the plant…”

            Who they?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            not gonna answer, eh?

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            He thinks FDA. Abbott shuttered and recalled voluntarily. The FDA didn’t close the plant.

            He’s angry because, after Trump destroyed the import supply chains from Australia, Europe, and Canada, Biden couldn’t just snap his fingers and make the foreign manufacturers step up production and immediately restock our shelves

            Typical BR reader. He thinks that FDR should have demanded that Canada drop an A-bomb on Hiroshima on December 8, 1941.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It’s a funny and foolish game the “anti” folks play these days.

    4. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Okay, let’s back up one step…

      “the same expertise… after they shut down a plant…”

      They who?

  10. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    The inflation reduction act of 2022?

    Obviously, the Dems think the American people are stupid. They lie through their teeth including the name of this mindless bill. Just like Biden boldly lied at the US Naval Academy commencement when he claimed he was appointed to the US Naval Academy in 1965.

    And the leftwing media just goes along for the ride.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      do you mean like “Repeal and Replace” ?

      😉

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Whereas the Republican plan to reduce inflation is to simply slash your tires…

  11. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Yes, combined with the incredible subsides for chip manufacturing, also just passing, this Congress will be remembered for its level of corporate welfare spending and top-down economic nationalism. And if CO2 is the Climate Killer, expect more pain as the Chinese, Russians, Indians and Africans are all in with coal for decades to come. That suicidal angle (killing our own competitiveness) on this is something Sherlock skipped.

    I do think there is a deal in the works for Manchin which will drive the Green Machine over the edge with rage: The Mountain Valley Pipeline.

    https://www.manchin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/manchin-capito-mckinley-miller-urge-ferc-to-approve-mountain-valley-pipelines-extension-request

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Hey, even some/enough of the GOP are on board with the chips!

      Question: When we bailed out the car companies and the banks during the sub-prime mess… did it end up a good thing or a bad thing?

      MVP? I understand it’s about 90% done. It’s gonna finish once the courts get clear. If the Dems helped it would it help Manchin?

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Most of the money shoveled out during the 2008-09 crisis was in the form of a) loans which b) were repaid with interest. Not sure that describes these bills. PPP was advertised that way, but it was just a sham — pure giveaway in the end. Only suckers paid it back.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

          right?

          way more than loans.

          remember the “shovel-ready”?

          but I also remember the GOP opposed to the loans to the auto industry and banks.

          ” By The Associated Press
          Nov. 16, 2008
          WASHINGTON — Top Republican senators said Sunday they will oppose a Democratic plan to bail out Detroit automakers, calling the U.S. industry a “dinosaur” whose “day of reckoning” is coming. Their opposition raises serious doubts about whether the plan will pass in this week’s postelection session.

          Democratic leaders want to use $25 billion of the $700 billion financial industry bailout to help General Motors, Ford Motor and Chrysler.

          Senators Richard Shelby of Alabama and Jon Kyl of Arizona said it would be a mistake to use any of the Wall Street rescue money to prop up the automakers. They said an auto bailout would only postpone the industry’s demise.”

          bank bailouts – 2/3 of the GOP opposed it:

          https://money.cnn.com/2008/09/29/news/economy/bailout/

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Just imagine what this country would look like today if we allowed the auto companies to go under and the only companies left were from Japan, Korea, Germany, etc?

            but this is what too many of the GOP supported.

          2. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            Yeah, too bad Ford refused and went out of business. No. Wait.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            “Introduced in 1948, the Ford F-150 owns the distinction of being the most popular motor vehicle of all time. For well over 30 years, the F-150 has been the best-selling vehicle in the United States. Further, for more than 40 years, it has been the best selling pickup truck.”

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Ford loses money on every EV it sells and makes it up in volume.
            https://carbuzz.com/news/ford-losing-money-on-every-mustang-mach-e-sold

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Cash for clunkers? A loan?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            oh wait… that was about getting rid of older polluting cars… more liberal social engineering…

            just like gas mileage standards,

            and safety features…

            and standards for tires and brakes…

            and tax credits for conservation and more “efficient” appliances and HVACs …

            and legislation supporting the development of LED lighting to replace incandescents.

            OUTRAGE:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f7dd11c99d9bff8dcc73d250b0609d09141fefb1a59fa4bc323481f4c09cd6b6.jpg

            Neanderthals and luddites UNITE!

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I indeed did not talk about competitiveness. Good catch.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Conservative “thinking” is what led to the Great Depression, right?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Who? Ver?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Put the Republicans in charge and stand by to see what usually happens when they do their thing.

            They wanted to let the auto companies and banks go belly up during the sub-prime debacle – which they caused originally by being opposed to bank regulation…. to prevent sub-prime loans.

            bad karma!

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I updated the article with the point you made about international competitiveness and credited you with it. Thanks. I also added my own additional points below.

    4. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, the Pentagoon will be happy. Now, about Solyndra…

    5. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Another thing I did not talk about is the effect of the automatic federal minimum tax on companies with $1 billion in revenue.

      How will that affect investments, corporate structures, charitable giving, hospital competition and insurance costs?

      We don’t know and the Democrats neither know nor care how that will affect:
      – the calculations on the risk/reward of early stage investments in new companies;
      – the breakups of companies approaching a billion dollars in revenue;
      – the charitable giving of companies when that charitable deduction meets the 15% minimum tax; and
      – state treatments of massively profitable “not-for-profit” business corporations who pay no federal or state tax. HCA, the biggest for-profit hospital company in Virginia, will be liable for that minimum and must compete with the Sentara’s of Virginia. I hope Virginia hits the COPN-created not-for-profit hospital monopolies with huge fees to level the playing field. Perhaps the state can use that money to pay for the 2000 new nurses a year voucher program I have recommended.

  12. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    The Republican alternative to the Democrats bill…
    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81oC5pYhh2L._AC_SL1500_.jpg

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      At least the individual players have to make investment decisions. Add a house or hotel or save cash for a rainy day?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Seriously, have you ever played the game? Saving for a rainy day? In Monopoly? Why, so you can be the last player wiped out by the winner?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          totally correct.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Seriously, have you ever played the game? Saving for a rainy day? In Monopoly? Why, so you can be the last player wiped out by the winner?

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      At least the individual players have to make investment decisions. Add a house or hotel or save cash for a rainy day?

  13. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Eerily reminiscent of Gilded Age politics.

  14. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    As far as electric autos, my perspective would be the US autos always wanted to “stick it to” the oil companies. So they said, we will simply not make gasoline autos any more, we will commit to a future without gaso autos, and we need Congress to reward our good behavior with mandates and huge subsidies for the EV cars. The Dems and Congress have a hard decision to make, destroy the US auto industry by not supporting their EV-only demand, or not. Sounds like lots of billions going to force EV’s on America.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      For how many years, have some folks claimed that auto companies were in cahoots with the oil companies making cars that got terrible mileage because of purposely designed fuel-eating carburetors. 😉

      How do we “destroy” the auto industry when it is also they who will make EVs?

      What IS amazing to me is the amount of commitment and investment the auto companies ARE making to EVs. It’s like they know something we don’t!

      My understanding is that about 1/3 of all global warming is due to cars and 1/4 due to electricity from fossil fuels.

      If we can shift to wind/solar and EVs does that make a dent in the problem?

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        U.S. Autos have hated oils since the 1990’s when cleaner cars were required, the days of reformulated fuels (RFG). There was a debate between hardware fixes and fuel fixes, and US Autos felt the oil side should shoulder more of the burden. The conflict related to the fact the US Autos were hampered by paying the employee salaries and union retirement funds of many employees, whereas the fossil fuel industry is characterized by much fewer employees per unit profit. So that was an albatross on the Autos when the public was demanding less smog etc. in the 90’s. In the end, the 3-way converter coupled with the EPA demands that all sulfur be removed from gasoline, largely makes gaso vehicles enormously cleaner compared to early 90’s.

  15. Bubba1855 Avatar
    Bubba1855

    Folks…we can go back and forth debating whether or not we’re in a recession. Here’s my take. When the GDP goes down for 2 straight quarters something is not right with our overall, USA economy. Right now we all know we have major inflation problems, regardless of what the WH says. I theorize that the root of the western worlds economies is ‘cheap energy’. When energy prices go up it ripples upward though the whole economy. A little bit up and down or for short periods, the overall economy can adjust. Of course factors other than energy are also at work…COVID immediately comes to mind. How much has covid impacted the economy…hard to tell. But it did make major changes in how we work and spend our income. Being in the ‘high risk’ covid group, I’m 77, my wife and I have not gone out to dinner since 2020. (we do do takeout, which i get) We still avoid being with large groups of people indoors. Yes, we even still use n95 masks when we go to the store. Yes, we know it’s not much protection, but it’s better than nothing. And yes, we got the jab in 2021. With inflation we do more shopping at our local Walmart market store…my wife hates to shop there so I do it. Housing? We own our home in a town of 50,000 population. In our neighborhood we have seen home sale prices increase almost 50% over the last 2 years. And rents in our area are up 25% in the 2 year period. And of course we all know about the cost of gas. Buy a new car? If you can wait 3-6 months for delivery, so used car prices exceed new car prices. So, ‘Brandon’ and your political mouth pieces don’t tell me everything is fine. It’s not. Is it a recession? I don’t care what you call it, but things aren’t going well in ‘my’ economy…and I’m sure yours. Will throwing more federal money into the pot help things? I doubt it. Will it make things worse? Who knows. Sorry about ‘running on’, but I just had to say something. There are lots of other examples of things not being ‘right’ in our economy, but my fingers are getting tired.

  16. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Here is an interesting perspective on the new proposed bill. Apparently it encourages greater US production of oil and gas, which I am sure will go over like a lead balloon with US liberals. Not shown in the video, but the Bill essentially favors US Auto makers with large EV subsidies, only for Plug-ins made in North America. In other words, Ford and GM want to make EV’s and they want Congress to force American’s to buy the EV’s that Ford and GM want to make.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/video/u-may-more-natural-gas-194329523.html

    Plug-In Car Subsidy Extension Summary (as proposed)
    Effective as of December 31, 2021 (backdated, appears to only apply to the old law provisions)
    Contracts written in 2022 can still be capitalized in 2023 under old law.
    GM vehicles now qualify again, per-OEM limits removed (appears to begin on 1/1/23)
    Now a refund instead of a credit (everyone gets back full regardless of what you pay in Federal taxes) This can be applied at time of sale, big point
    Cars in contract as of the signing of the bill can use old bill (so if you have an EQS on order and make $400k, you’re $7,500 is intact). This is good until December 31, 2022
    $7500 still
    Must be assembled in North America
    $3750 dependent on how much of your battery comes from North America (minerals and materials), 40% is the apparent number, countries with free trade agreements w/ US also apply
    Inceases to 50% in 2024
    60% 2025
    70% 2026
    80% 2027
    $3750 with same above restrictions based on 50% of components originating in US, North America or free trade countries.
    60% in 2024
    70% in 2026
    80% in 2027
    90% in 2028
    100% in 2029
    In 2025 any vehicle with battery minerals or components from a “foreign entity of concern” will be excluded
    Income restrictions
    150k max individual filing
    225k max head of household filing (eg, divorced with child dependent)
    300k max married filing jointly
    Per car MSRP restrictions
    $55,000 on passenger cars
    $80,000 on light duty trucks and SUVs
    Used credit now exists
    $4,000
    Car must be 2 years old to qualify
    Prorated to 30% of total value of car or $4,000, whichever is less
    Used vehicle must be purchased from a dealer.
    Used vehicle price must be $25k or less.
    Used vehicle qualifies for tax credit only once in its lifetime.
    Purchaser must be an individual (no businesses) to qualify for used credit.
    Purchaser may only claim one used vehicle credit per three years
    Modified gross income cap of $75k for individuals, $112,500 for head of household and $150k for joint returns.
    Vehicle classifications not determined by EPA but instead as deemed by transportation secretary.
    Secretary has till EOY to outline guidance on battery requirements (unclear what this means, range perhaps?)
    Sunset clause (dead bill) in 2032

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