The Goochland Revolution: Fiscal Edition

Goochland Supervisor Ken Peterson

by James A. Bacon

In February Goochland County Supervisor Ken Peterson and top county officials met with New York bond raters in the hope of winning a coveted AAA bond rating for their small, exurban county west of Richmond. Only a hundred or so counties in the United States have AAA ratings. None of them had Goochland’s tiny population, only 23,000. Indeed, to Peterson’s knowledge, of Virginia’s twelve AAA-rated counties, none had a population smaller than 60,000. Moreover, only a decade previously, Goochland had nearly defaulted on its water-sewer bonds. It didn’t even have a bond rating then. Winning Standard & Poor’s stamp of approval would represent an extraordinary turnaround.

The Goochland team gave its pitch. The S&P bond raters were quizzical. They’d never seen a county’s numbers like Goochland’s. Not only did it have an incredibly low base property tax rate and a steadily growing revenue stream, it had built financial reserves equivalent to 60% of its annual budget. Such reserves were unheard of, the bond raters said. Fifteen percent is recommended.

The county had a 25-year capital investment plan, Peterson explained, and it made a practice of setting aside funds for future building and maintenance needs. Astonished, the S&P team quipped that the company needed to create a separate bond rating for Goochland — AAA+.

S&P conferred the AAA rating, capping Goochland’s decade-long journey from fiscal train wreck to paragon of financial rectitude.  The “Goochland Revolution,” a 2011 rebellion of taxpayers against an incompetent and occasionally corrupt  courthouse gang, demonstrates how strict fiscal discipline can accomplish the municipal nirvana of keeping taxes low even while upgrading the quality of schools and public services.

An endemic problem in local government — not just in Virginia but everywhere — is an unwillingness to engage in long-term thinking. Elected officials find it difficult to focus on anything beyond their next election, and getting re-elected often entails spending money on high-visibility projects without regard to the long-term budgetary impact. Indeed, rather than set aside reserves for future needs, many politicians under-fund maintenance — an insidious form of deficit spending. Eventually the under-funding catches up. Short-term problems become chronic long-term problems.

“Why does deferred maintenance happen?” Peterson asks rhetorically. “It’s because politicians don’t worry about anything past their next election. We have a longer time horizon. We look out for the next generation.”

After a financial career on Wall Street, Peterson wanted to bring more fiscal discipline to Goochland’s capital spending. Elected to the Board of Supervisors in a 2011 electoral thrashing of the old guard, he had the political support to introduce profound changes to the budgetary process.

Goochland County has developed a rigorous approach to capital spending, zoning, and economic development that should serve it well in times of trouble. Here are the main policies, which any locality can adopt:

  • Establish the Level of Service (LoS) the county is willing to pay for — public safety, schools, libraries, public works, etc. — and determine how much it will cost.
  • Develop a 25-year Capital Improvement Program that shows what capital expenditures and major maintenance expenses will be needed.
  • Set limits on how much — and when — the county is willing to borrow. If there is a gap between borrowing capacity and anticipated capital expenditures, build up reserves to make up the difference.
  • Develop a financial-impact model that shows what kind of tax revenues and expenditures can be expected from residential, retail and commercial development.
  • Adopt zoning policies in which growth and development “pays for itself.”

Unlike many of Virginia’s rural counties, Goochland has enjoyed a strong economic rebound since 2011. The county lies in the path of the westward expansion of the Richmond metropolitan region. While some rural counties grapple with stagnant economies and population loss, Goochland can realistically aspire to attract new development and the tax revenue that comes with it.

Peterson says the starting point is establishing the LoS citizens want. What response times for fire, rescue and police do they demand? What Standards of Learning pass rates do they expect from schools? What public amenities like parks, libraries and information systems do they desire? What transportation projects unfunded by the Virginia Department of Transportation are they willing to pay for? From there, the county calculates how much money it will need to meet its goal — and how much money it must generate from new growth in order to maintain the LoS.

The next step is creating a detailed 25-year Capital Improvement Program that includes not just new buildings and facilities but predictable maintenance costs. So, for example, the current CIP lists as its fifth priority “life cycle replacement of roofs, HVAC equipment, and gym floor” for the Goochland Sports Complex. The CIP anticipates needing $350,000 in FY 2022, $236,500 in FY 2034, and $278,000 in FY 2039. The county expects no federal or state money for the project, so all dollars will be local.

Goochland built a new high school twenty years ago. The county knows that the school will be due for a major capital expenditures, perhaps even replacement, within the lifetime of its 25-year capital plan. The county has other aging schools as well. Planning ahead will allow the county to build up reserves and to stagger major construction projects so large expenditures don’t come due at once. That’s not to say that the county pays cash for everything. Rather, it keeps a tight lid on the debt issued. As old debt is retired, the county can issue new debt for new projects.

At present (fiscal 2022) Goochland’s debt service is well below the 10% debt-to-expense ratio it has set for itself, as seen below. In Fiscal 2021, debt was a remarkably low 3% or so of annual expenditures.

The county has the latitude to borrow more safely — it has set a target of debt payments at 10% of total general fund expenditures. Goochland is in the enviable position of having considerable untapped borrowing capacity, which the Capital Improvement Program envisions taking full advantage of over the next few years.

With sound finances and a low general property tax rate of $0.53 per hundred dollars of assessed value (plus an ad valorem tax on properties within the special water-sewer district), Goochland has become highly competitive within the Richmond metro area as a residential and business location. As growth ramps up, the challenge is to ensure that new development pays for itself. In the third installment of the “Goochland Revolution” series, I’ll explain how the county does that and finds itself in what Peterson says is a “virtuous cycle.”


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53 responses to “The Goochland Revolution: Fiscal Edition”

  1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Goochland County certainly seems to be well-managed. Its AAA bond rating is something to brag about. And I applaud the emphasis on long-term thinking.

    As you mentioned, Goochland has had some advantages that other rural counties do not have. It “lies in the path of the westward expansion of the Richmond metropolitan region.” Over the last decade, its population grew by 13.86 percent, significantly above the statewide average of 7.9 percent. Its median household income increased from 2010 t0 2018 from $81,938 to $89,331, an average annual growth of 1.82 percent. Its total true value of taxed real property increased from $5 billion in 2010 to $6.1 billion in 2019, an increase of 22 percent.

    Its approach to capital spending is sound, but not unusual. Other counties have CIPs, as well. For example, Spotsylvania–

    https://www.spotsylvania.va.us/DocumentCenter/View/17742/FY-2022—FY-2026-Capital-Improvement-Plan?bidId=

    https://www.spotsylvania.va.us/DocumentCenter/View/17742/FY-2022—FY-2026-Capital-Improvement-Plan?bidId=

    and Fluvanna–

    https://www.fluvannacounty.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/finance_department/page/16231/fy22_cip_-_bos_adopted.pdf

    It’s true that those counties have a shorter timelime–4-5 years compared to Goochland’s 25-year projection. However, I wonder how realistic a 25-year projection really is.

    In addition to learning how Goochland intends to make growth pay for itself, I would be interested in learning how it built up its reserves. Did it forego spending on new or expanded services, for instance?

  2. Steve Gillispie Avatar
    Steve Gillispie

    Another good one. Well done, Jim.

  3. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    As a 60 year resident of Fairfax County I would give Goochland one piece of advice – fight growth with every fiber of your being.

    The con artists and charlatans of Virgina’s political class have no interest in low growth localities. They save their venomous corruption for high growth municipalities.

    The roving hoards of liberals from failed (typically northern) cities will not descend and ruin low growth communities. There’s not enough money to steal. They save their energy for places where growth is an end unto itself.

    Don’t let it happen to you.

    In Virginia, high growth goes into Richmond’s corruption machine and results in a dramatic decline in quality of life. Once you become part of the General Assembly’s piggy bank … all hope is lost. If you enter the high growth category the Byrd Machine throwbacks in Richmond will start to airlift your money to support their mindless and incompetent plans elsewhere. Your roads will congest and the answer from Richmond will not be to expand your roads with your own taxes. The answer will be sky high tolls. Your educational system will decline and the answer from Richmond will not be to let you use your own tax money to improve things. The answer will be to take your money to be spent elsewhere. After all, your growth will make you appear richer. The Imperial Clown Show in Richmond will tell you that you can send your damn kids to private schools.

    If you doubt me – just look north. Not to Fairfax County (where hope has been lost for decades now) but to Loudoun County. Not long ago Loudoun residents often sported bumper stickers which read, “Don’t Fairfax Loudoun”. It was a great theory. Unfortunately, Loudoun failed to execute on that theory. Now Loudoun is as much of a blazing dumpster fire as Arlington and Fairfax Counties.

    Fight growth. Our state is far too incompetent to manage growth. Fight development. Our state is far too corrupt to keep developers honest. Do not build the infrastructure of growth. That infrastructure will only attract the beady eyed glare of the rodents in Richmond who want your money and nothing else.

    You don’t know how good you have it right now.

    Trust me, I’ve lived through it.

    1. Steve Gillispie Avatar
      Steve Gillispie

      You failed to include expect increases in crime, homelessness, small business persecution, mindless regulations enforced by lazy, unaccountable and dishonest bureaucrats….
      pretty much the story everywhere democrats are in control.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        You are right. A comment is to small a vehicle to describe the hazards of growth in Virginia. An article is too small a vehicle to describe the downside of growth in Virginia. It needs a book.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I’m curious. Do you think that about growth in general, or just how growth is done in Va?

          What are we doing wrong? Who is doing it right and how?

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            The level of corruption in Richmond catalyzes the downside of growth. Places like Austin, TX seem to be able to manage high growth with an acceptable level of pain. Letting localities make their own decisions is key. Cutting down the level of wealth transfer from one locality to another is also important. Virginia’s century of Byrd Machine thinking has probably doomed the quality of life here, at least in high growth localities. Massive money flows from the federal government helps but the trend is clear – growth in Virginia results in a declining quality of life.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Okay, now as to specifics: ??

            Looks to me that Fairfax had all the autonomy it needed to develop…

            and so does Goochland… no?

          3. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            There is no autonomy when the majority of your taxes are stolen by the Byrd Machine dipsticks in Richmond to buy votes elsewhere in the state.

            This blog needs a good primer on the Byrd Machine – not just the blatant racism but the economic underpinnings of that century-long fiasco.

            We can throw Harry Byrd’s statue into the James River but his philosophy is alive and well in the General Assembly.

            In Virginia, growth is death.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I notice Goochland still has a BPOL tax. Not so good for business… eh?

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Keep the tax. Business brings growth and growth is beyond the competence of Virginia politicians. Live in Goochland, work in Henrico. Let Henrico burn.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I always thought true conservatives considered the BPOL tax as bad a unions!

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Nobody wants to endure chemotherapy. However, if you have cancer chemo is what you have to do. The state government in Virginia is a cancer. High local taxes are chemo. Fight growth with every fiber of your being in Virginia.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Unfortunately, if you look at how much water/sewer capacity they built and the debt to go with it, the only way out is to attract more growth to help pay for it.

      Read this article:

      ” Goochland County officials ponder the economic future of the Tuckahoe Creek Service District
      UPDATED: At a strategic planning session held last week, County Administrator Rebecca Dickson said that, in addition to Courthouse Village, the county needs to aim its economic development efforts on the Tuckahoe Creek Service District.”

      https://richmond.com/news/local/central-virginia/goochland/goochland-gazette/goochland-county-officials-ponder-the-economic-future-of-the-tuckahoe-creek-service-district/article_73d9f19b-c5aa-595c-a2ee-6c721897f1c6.html

      The trick with water and sewer for greenfield development is to correctly identify the Golilocks size.

      That’s the size where most all the capacity you’ve built and in debt for is taken and paid for by new development.

      When you build too big a system for the development that occurs – you’re in heavy debt for a long time, and it hangs on you like a fiscal albatross and the only way out is to attract more development to help pay for it.

      And yes, it happens to Conservatives who are also big believers in development!

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Unfortunately, “death by growth” is already happening in Goochland.

        “Last July, the median sale price for Goochland County Homes was $416,750. This July, the median sale price was $490,655, an increase of 18% or $73,905 compared to last year.”

        Goochland is probably already doomed.

        So sad.

        https://marketminute.longandfoster.com/market-minute/va/goochland-county.htm

      2. FYI – Rebecca Dickson left the position of County Administrator for Goochland County in 2016.

    3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “As a 60 year resident of Fairfax County I would give Goochland one piece of advice – fight growth with every fiber of your being.”

      100%!! When I read their CIP envisioned one single high school for the whole county, I just had to chuckle…

      That being said, I find it important to point out that it was Republican BOS that sold out our county to unbridled residential growth. They even seated one of the biggest developers on the School Board.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Oh geeze…. now you’ve done it! 😉

        This was supposed to be a Conservative fairy tale about Conservatives rescuing Goochland from liberals and you just threw crap in the fan!

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          It was ironic to see the Republican BOS fight to rezone the county and chuckle as they won elections as their cohorts moved into the brand new developments only to see the tables flipped ten years later and them thrown out of office by the very communities they built. It was the ONLY satisfying aspect of the entire fiasco.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Median household income about 93k.

            Doesn’t sound like apartments or townhouses.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Mostly townhouses and single family small lot development. Western Loudoun has (so far) kept it down to about 3+ acre lots (McMansions) mainly as a result of restricting utility service to just the immediate area around the towns. This is the last bastion of Republicans in Loudoun – again ironic that their enclaves only exist because of Democratic initiatives to control growth in the west. Basically we have witnessed the 20 year great western migration of conservatives across Loudoun.

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Oh yeah but it’s a Democratic BoS that is ruining Loudoun.

        Neither party has a mandate on sliminess in Virginia.

        For every Dick Saslaw there’s a Tommy Norment.

  4. The Voyage of the Damned in Virginia goes something like this:

    1. Developer A asserts that there are not enough rooftops to support Commercial/Office Development
    2. Developer B submits a rezoning for more residential development
    3. The BOCS approves the rezoning to provide more rooftops
    4. Developer B proffers otherwise useless/unbuildable land for schools and parks as well as a quarter mile of one half lane of roadway to mitigate traffic impacts
    5. The additional rooftops create more arterial congestion and pressure on the schools and county services
    6. The School Board screams that it needs more funding as the proffers only address the site and not construction, staffing and maintenance costs which the revenue negative residential rooftops don’t offset.
    7. The BOCS blames Richmond for not building roads quickly enough to compensate for their poor planning
    8. The BOCS initiates a road bond to pay for the roads they want to support their poor planning resulting in the taxpayers paying twice for the road
    9. The BOCS screams there is not enough money to support the schools and county services and pushes data centers, commercial and office development as the county’s priority
    10. Numerous commercial rezonings are approved
    11. Starbucks and Walgreens pop up across the county like zits on a teen
    12. The BOCS crows about job growth in the county but doesn’t mention that the minimum wage earners at Starbucks can’t afford any of those previously approved rooftops
    13. Despite the “job growth” and “commercial development”, the revenue numbers don’t improve and the BOCS slashes services or raises taxes
    14. The BOCS blames congestion and tells the taxpayers they must build more roads and that said roadbuilding means there is no money for schools and public services without a tax increase
    15. Those developers of those undeveloped commercial properties rezoned at Step 10 assert that commercial development of those properties is unfeasible and incompatible with the surrounding residential uses that were approved to provide the rooftops to support said commercial development and demand that the property be rezoned residential
    16. The BOCS takes their campaign contributions and rezones their properties for residential development
    17. Return to Step 4 and repeat

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      been there. Heard that! 😉

      1. You can freely substitute the following for any number of the terms used: solar farms, pipelines, transmission lines, distribution centers, affordable housing, townhouses, sewer and water infrastructure, school bonds, etc., etc., etc.

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      100% agreed. The first fallacy that needs to be challenged is the conept that rezonings somehow are a good idea fiscally. I have never seen a rezoning (read upzoning) that ever paid for itself. Once the cost of new children hit the school budget, every rezoning bleeds red. Every single one. Every BOS should reject every upzoning based on that premise alone. By-right and only by-right. Then they need to work to re-write their Comp Plans to support massive downzonings and restricting utility service areas. That is the only way to fight the evils of over development.

      1. No, the first fallacy that needs to be challenged is the presumption by some land owners and most developers that they are ENTITLED to an upzoning.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Yep, it is amazing that when challenged the BOS almost invariably throw up their hands and say things like “we did the best we could but… you know… “property rights”.” The real tell is when the first proposed development comes in with some ridiculously high number of units that the developer knows they will never get and they are pretty squarely rejected. Then they come back with what they wanted all along (still like a 6-1 upzoning) and the BOS approves it and pats itself on the back and says ” see how much we cut the size of the development!” Kabuki theater plain and simple.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          You’re getting to the old days at BR. Human settlement patterns. If you can get enough density you have a chance of making ends meet. But the only way to get the density is to stop the random up-zoning that leads to sprawl. Sprawl is expensive. Lots of roads. But to a developer, sprawl is beautiful. Cheaply made houses as far as the eye can see. Roads? We don’t need no stinkin’ roads.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Our county , Spotsy, REQUIRES a fiscal impact statement from every rezone and they actually have turned down proposals that have large net deficits.

        However, it can have a perverse impact on stuff that is approved which is largely age-restricted and higher end residential that can produce higher tax revenues. Lower end housing and apartments are fiscal losers.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          It would be much simpler to simple have a “no upzoning” policy. As you note, once given a toe in the door, developers will use the system to screw everyone else.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          “Lower end housing and apartments are fiscal losers.”

          I’m not convinced.

          You have to take transportation into account.

          Walkability requires high density.

          My 15 year old son asked me how I got to football practice when I was his age.

          I walked.

      3. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        It doesn’t take graduate school math to work out that a new $300,000 home collecting 1% real estate tax per year generates $3,000 per year. The two kiddies in the house cost $20,000 to educate in public schools each year.

        The home needs to be $2m dollars to fund the educational costs at 1%.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          just upthread, you said this: ” “Lower end housing and apartments are fiscal losers.”

          I’m not convinced.”

          Since the tax rate must be the same for most all properties, the lower the value of the property, the lower the tax collected on it, no matter how many kids.

          And as you correctly point out, even the tax on a high-dollar home does not generate enough tax for even one kid’s public education, not to mention the other things those taxes are also paying for, like public safety.

          I’m a little surprised that folks who identify as Conservatives are demonizing businesses like development and housing construction that basically is responding to demand.

          we just don’t have a bunch of unoccupied housing units, single family detached, townhouses or apartments.

          Developers are basically meeting demand.

          Proffers do not pay for operating expenses, like school teacher salaries. They basically pay for one-time capital expenses.

          Compare to the water/sewer bill. It costs money to hook-up (that’s capital) and then monthly costs (that’s operating).

          I’m all for collecting proffers for capital costs like schools , libraries, fire stations, etc… those costs should be paid for by new people moving in but I just don’t understand people who, themselves moved here, turning around and opposing others from moving here.

          And I don’t think this has much if anything to do with Virginia, Byrd politics or Dillon Rule – every state has such growth and development in the areas that are growing.

          I’m not sure what ya’ll expect government to do – interfere with, interrupt the free market?

          Surely, I misunderstand and you can clear this up! 😉

    3. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Mom! You’re back! Long time no see. What pronoun are you using these days?

      And speaking of development … when any locality tries to force the developer to actually pay for the costs of the new housing …. it’s Dick Saslaw and the Imperial Clown Show in Richmond to the rescue. The rescue of the developers, of course!

      I like this part the best …

      “The 2016 law made both elected officials and local government staff extremely reluctant to negotiate proffers. As that law was written, the moment any government official would “request,” orally or in writing, a proposal that fit the law’s definition of an “unreasonable” proffer, the official would be in violation of the law. The aspiring home-building developer would be “entitled to an award of reasonable attorney fees and costs” plus an order to approve the rezoning request in question.”

      https://ggwash.org/view/71307/virginia-general-assembly-fixes-the-reform-on-residential-proffers

      1. I identify as a stainless steel toaster.

        With regard to the 2016 law, yeah that worked out real well for the developers that wrote it and jammed through Imperial Clown Show.

        It almost immediately turned off the spigot that spewed rezonings, SUPs and Comp Plan amendments as no locality was buying the absurdly low “voluntary” proffers offered as a result of the developers self analysis of their project’s impact.

        It did have one short term upside, it dramatically reduced the campaign contributions rendered by them unto local officials who suddenly found themselves unable to support the project with ridiculously low proffers as even planning staff couldn’t with a straight face assert the projects were good or even close to revenue neutral.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          I prefer to be called Commodore.

          You are right about the 2016 law. But no problem. It was rewritten a few years later to make sure that plenty of upzonings happened.

          We can’t have special interests feeling like their graft isn’t helping, now can we?

  5. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    This could turn into a decent discussion about growth and development a welcome break from the CRT, covid and assorted related Culture war rants…

  6. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    When I-95 was first opened in the early 60’s, Spotsylvania had a population of about 15,000, two elementary schools and a high school , no water/sewer , and working farms still operating along the major primary roads like Route 3. Today it has about 136,000, still tiny compared to places like Fairfax, Prince William, Loudoun, etc. but we now have extensive water and sewer and over 30 schools which easily eat more than half our budget.

    Anyone who has been here on I-95 knows what a mess it has become, as the Fredericksburg Area now generates a significant percent of the traffic on I-95 between here and NoVa. Billions of dollars of upgrades to I-95 has been done and are continuing to help mitigate the bottleneck, but there is no more room for added lanes so they’ve gone to congestion tolling.

    When Capital One decided to locate there and built two building complexes, we thought we were finally starting to wean ourselves from being largely an exurban satellite bedroom community to NoVa but then Capital One pulled up stakes and headed back to Richmond.

    We’ve had our ups and downs with finances and the budget, including a time when water/sewer built in anticipation of commercial growth ran a cropper and the number of new hookups came nowhere close to servicing the debt and it (and others financial behaviors) became an obstacle to a better bond rating.

    Davenport became our bond counsel and then our primary financial advisor and we have, like Goochland, got to a better place and now have the coveted bond rating that has resulted in big savings in refinancing the debt – AAA gets lower rates, then the interest rate itself dropped, and we reduced debt by millions

    So happier times but long, story, short, the Capital Investment Program is a perennial story about things we need but cannot afford to do and long planning horizon with significant prioritization and sequencing is now a fairly complex dance and always with the base real estate rate looming over.

    Lake Anna , has become a resort destination but still has no water/sewer (which means no commercial development) and no plans to do so because it’s in the North Anna watershed (for the lake) and not enough guaranteed flow to handle conventional wastewater. If it does happen, I suspect not a penny will come from county residents and it will start small and expand rather start big.

    We just got designated for a Regional VA clinic – yay! but we NOW need something like 60 million worth of road infrastructure to serve it, and we already have about 500 million of still unmet road needs. When a large percent of your population is NoVa commuters, transportation is the game.

    We do have 3 service districts which are for business districts transportation, not water/sewer. VDOT insisted/required/mandated the upgrades for the rezoned commercial business pods because they were on Route 1 and Route 3 – both significant travel corridors for Virgina.

    And now, we have to upgrade the wastewater treatment , I think about 17 million or so (compare that to the 60 million Goochland owes).

    Congrats to Goochland, They’ve done something few other counties their size has accomplished in their bond rating. But now the HARD part starts and that is to KEEP that rating!

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Once every year or two I agree with LarrytheG. This is one of those times.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Heck , you agreed with me the other day also!

        And surely you will agree that a locality does not have to be infested with Conservative leaders in order to earn a AAA bond rating, correct?

        Bond ratings are not what some think they are. Basically they are similar to the jurisdictional equivalent of a FICO Score Credit Rating. It does not mean you necessarily make good choices for what you spend your money on, but more that you have the fiscal ability/cash flow to pay for it and you pay ALL your bills and on time and do not have creditors reporting “concerns” about you willingness or ability to pay.

        Good budget and finance folks are worth their weight in gold and there is no litmus test for liberal or Conservative.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          “Heck , you agreed with me the other day also!” I know. Maybe there is a downside to legalizing marijuana.

          See my comment on this thread. Virginia cannot handle growth. There reasons could fill a book. But the evidence is clear. Where growth goes in Virginia disaster follows.

          If Goochland doesn’t figure this out … they will be just another Virginia dung heap in 20 years.

  7. As a professional manager of municipal bonds, the fiscal responsibility shown by Goochland officials is heartwarming. One factor leads me to question just how fiscally responsible. Even before the age of Covid, it was not necessary for a borrower the size of Goochland to fly one or more people to NYC to complete the rating process. Did this trip actually add value for the taxpayers of Goochland or was it a boondoggle for attendees or perhaps serve as a promotion for a book?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Yes. I still don’t understand how a locality gets a AAA rating when their enterprise fund is not generating enough revenues to pay the debt service.

      In Spotsylvania, we were told some number of years ago, that it was our water/sewer enterprise fund that was at issue for improving our bond rating.

      Until that fund brought in sufficient revenues to pay for the debt service, it was said to be problematical.

      Perhaps things have changed with the bond agencies.

      1. The answer is a simple but unacceptable one. Oversimplified it goes like this, all of the municipal financial “experts” come in and tell the jurisdictions they can borrow as much as they want without risk as the elected officials have the ability to raise taxes to whatever amount is required to cover the note/bond. It is that time the more fiscally prudent elected officials show the “experts” the door. Been there, done that.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          THe bond agencies, just like VDOE , DO look at a jurisdictions “ability to pay’ or “fiscal stress”.

          But I have a somewhat less cynical viewpoint in that people do have to have a place to live and that means houses have to be built.

          NoVa has 2 million people. They have to have to a place to live.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Manhattan has 1.7m residents on 23 sq mi of land. The movie “The Graduate” talked about plastics. We need to talk about density.

    2. Good point, Crafty. I assumed that Peterson traveled to New York to meet with S&P. I don’t know that for a fact. He might have met with them by Zoom. I have amended the text to say only that he met with the New York bond raters.

    3. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Check the expense reports for “Sparks Steak House” followed by “Sapphire New York”.

  8. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Reading this string is fascinating and takes me back. In another life, I worked on these land use issues, both as a legislative staffer and as a lobbyist for local governments. I have heard all these arguments before.

    I have been away from it for a long time, but it used to be that the statutes and court decisions in Virginia were stacked against local governments being able to resist growth. Back when it really began to boom, Fairfax County tried to control growth and rezonings, but Til Hazel went to the state Supreme Counrt and got rulings that limited the ability to turn down rezonings. It comes down to the “highest and best use” of the land.

    It is fascinating to read all these “conservatives” on a “conservative/libertarian” blog arguing for more government control over what a landowner can do with his private property.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Why the VERY IDEA that the govt can tell you what to do with your own property- that you have to REQUEST a REZONE and get approval FIRST to make changes to your own property. What about your “liberty” and your “rights” ?

      Yes, hilarious listening to “conservatives” argue that government IS “corrupt” because it “allows” people to actually develop their property, be entrepreneurial, to engage in free markets, to produce something and to be self-reliant, … GADZOOKS!

      Talk about arguing both sides of the street!

      😉

    2. For the record, you have not read or heard this conservative arguing for more government control over what a landowner can do with his private property. And you’re not likely to, either.

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