The Democrats Are Coming For Your Children!

by Dick Hall-SizemoreDo parents have a RIGHT to be in charge of their children’s education?

Should parents be at the head of the table when it comes to what their kids are learning at school?

Governor Youngkin’s PAC, Spirit of Virginia recently sent out a fundraising letter headed by these questions. It declared that Governor Youngkin believes the answer to all of these questions is YES.”

I realize that subjecting campaign literature to logical analysis is a fool’s errand.  Nevertheless, let’s look at these questions a little bit closer.

What does it mean that parents have a right “to be in charge” of their kids’ education? Does that mean that parents can keep their kids from going to school? Does that mean that statutes requiring attendance and requiring parents to cooperate with school officials when their kids miss too many days should be repealed? What if a parent objects to a textbook selected by the school? Can that parent demand the school use another textbook, or, at least, let his child use a different text? What if another parent wants another textbook to be used? How does a school or teacher reconcile conflicting demands of various parents, all of whom “have a right” to be in charge? Suppose that a parent thinks his child is getting too much or too little homework? Does the teacher have to accommodate the homework demands of each set of parents? A similar situation could arise related to tests—some parents may think they are too hard; others, too easy. In such a case, because the parents are in charge, should the teacher have the parents develop the tests and grading system for each of their kids?

Moving on to the second question, similar issues arise. Assume I don’t like what is being taught my child in history, do I get to dictate what is being taught? What about the parents who disagree with me? Another scenario: I feel that high school students are not being taught enough grammar and writing skills. As “head of the table,” can I demand the English teacher restructure the whole curriculum?

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The fundraising letter ends with this extraordinary and ludicrous warning: “And if the far-left wins in November, when control of Virginia’s ENTIRE LEGISLATURE is at stake, extreme liberals will be in charge of our children’s education instead of parents. They will shut parents out of the classroom and keep parents in the dark about what their kids are learning.” [Emphasis added.] Don’t conservative parents talk to their kids about what is going on in their classes? Can’t conservative parents review their kids’ textbooks (or laptops in this modern era) to learn what their kids are learning? Can’t conservative parents review their kids’ assignments and tests to get a good idea of what they are learning? If conservative parents “are in the dark about what their kids are learning” it will not be due to the actions of “extreme liberals” but, rather, to the parents’ indifference.


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88 responses to “The Democrats Are Coming For Your Children!”

    1. That’s funny.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Ah Nick Fritatos, or whatever. He’s the guy who can’t figure out where he lives or how to make filing deadlines, am I right?

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Youth pastors?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      They? Priests? ‘Cause they’re the ones that keep getting caught. In fact, I can’t think of even one case of a drag queen pedophile.

      1. In fact, I can’t think of even one case of a drag queen pedophile

        Just google “drag queen arrested…

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          BTW, I was amazed that whole string of comments lasted long enough to take a shower and run out for lunch.

          1. Maybe the moderator was taking a shower and going out to get some lunch.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Don’t be starting rumors. I’ve my reputation.

          3. Don’t be starting rumors. I’ve my reputation.

            What rumors? The one about you and the moderator, or the one about you as the moderator?

          4. The only ones that had to go were a bit of profanity, name calling and scatalogical references.😊

          5. Lefty665 Avatar

            You don’t like scat? 🙂

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          I did. In fact I did two searches. The first was for the exact phrases “child pornography” “drag queen” and it returned “About 99,600 results (0.31 seconds)”

          Then “child pornography” “youth pastor” and it returned “About 68,200 results (0.38 seconds)”

          To eliminate blogs, tiktok, yada, yada, yada, I then selected “news” getting “About 1,280 results (0.27 seconds)” and “About 129 results (0.35 seconds)”, respectively.

          Whichever sector you have your eye on leaves six ways to Sunday from which you’ll get hit.

  1. Dick writes: “How does a school or teacher reconcile conflicting demands of various parents, all of whom “have a right” to be in charge?”

    This is the crux of the matter. In our ideologically polarized society, it is almost impossible to keep everyone happy. Satisfying one group angers another. The problem is inherent in a system of public schools, and it is a good argument for greater diversity of school providers that allow parents to find a better fit for their kids.

    However, Youngkin still has a point. Public schools are administered by a mind-numbing bureaucracy that extends to the local, state and federal levels. Decision making is fragmented, dispersed and largely incomprehensible to the public. Only career professionals can navigate this labyrinth. And the career professionals tend to share values and priorities that are at odds with a large segment of the population. No wonder parents feel alienated. Are there simple answers? No. But the system is not working well. Someone needs to stand with the parents. Might as well be Youngkin.

    1. VaNavVet Avatar

      It is hard to say what is at odds with a large segment of the population or even how large that noisy segment really is. Youngkin stands with the parents to raise money, get elected, and to divide the residents of the Commonwealth!

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        No money in unity. The big bucks are found in schizophrenics, er, I mean schisms.

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        “It is hard to say what is at odds with a large segment of the population or even how large that noisy segment really is. Youngkin stands with the parents to raise money, get elected, and to divide the residents of the Commonwealth!”

        Let’s reimagine your statement, correctly shall we.

        “Politician A” stands with “identity group B” to raise money, get elected, and to divide the residents of the “Commonwealth/State/Nation”!”

        Now that it’s fixed, you can resume your partisan sycophantry.

        1. VaNavVet Avatar

          Glad to see that you agree that this action is widespread.

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      What speciifically, beyond rhetoric, has Youngkin done to make the “system” work getter.

    3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “Someone needs to stand with Conservative parents. Might as well be Youngkin.”

      Fixed it for you. School boards ARE elected you know.

  2. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    I remember when see and speak became all the rage in schools instead of learning to sound words out by syllable. My oldest daughter and youngest son were taught using the syllable method. My son because the complaints forced the school system back to the proven method.The idiots in the school system with their see and speak method put my middle daughter about 4 years behind her siblings. It took us a long time to correct that deficiency. We constantly read to our children in their early years using Dr. Seuss and other children’s book. So yes Dick parents should get to decide.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      See and speak? Or Speak & Spell (registered trademark of Fisher Price Corporation, albeit built by Texas Instruments.)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuZysLvIU3E&t=37s

  3. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    The issue is not really that broad. Parental concern is largely focused sex education, choosing one’s gender and requirements for the public to affirm the person’s choice. It gets right to the heart of the moral/religious beliefs of many people, including many Muslim parents.

    FCPS handled sex education in a very sensible and successful manner for years. Parents had access to the curriculum and teaching materials and could easily opt out their children. Continuing this approach would solve much of the problem.

    But the left has gone beyond toleration, which was an important virtue prized by much of American society to mandatory affirmation. Your right to choose your gender and lifestyle takes precedence over traditional rights of privacy and beliefs, such as mandatory use of someone else’s preferred pronouns, biological men using women’s dressing rooms and competing against females in non-coed sports.

    1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
      Kathleen Smith

      The courts joined in for a say in the Gloucester case, every school board changed their policies. Then Youngkin changed the guidance (executive order and a recent document provided to school boards on the matter) in favor of more conservative policies. But guidance is different than law. So school boards are in a conundrum. Guidance or the law?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Law, definitely the law, unless martyrdom is your cup of tea. Eastman and Cheseboro provided “guidance”.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        The guidance states that the law supersedes.

        1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
          Kathleen Smith

          Yep! But does Youngkin know that? Courts are final.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Youngkin probably does not know what is in his own guidance… I would not be surprised at all…

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      If parents are “in charge”, they should be able to direct the school to use the name and pronouns favored by the student.

      1. Right. And parents should be able to direct the school to not do so as well.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          And if a teacher believes it is in the child’s best interest to follow the child’s requests? “Suffer the children…” after all…

          1. Unfortunately for some children, parents have purview over such aspects of their child’s life.

            It’s a system as old as parenthood and the overwhelming majority of the time it works. It does result in some bad outcomes, but I’d rather have it that way than allow agents of the state to take primary control over how our children are reared.

            [And before you go there, obviously the state has the power to step in when parents are subjecting a child to physical abuse and/or extreme mental abuse].

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “Unfortunately for some children, parents have purview over such aspects of their child’s life.”

            Not so based on the Tanner Cross case and Youngkin’s guidelines. The school can not compel the teacher to speech counter to their personal beliefs – regardless of the parent’s desires.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “Unfortunately for some children, parents have purview over such aspects of their child’s life.”

            Not so based on the Tanner Cross case and Youngkin’s guidelines. The school can not compel the teacher to speech counter to their personal beliefs – regardless of the parent’s desires.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Except… “religion”….

        1. Religion? What about it? I hope you’re not implying that the schools should refuse to call my son “Reverend Joey” or “Reverend” if they are his chosen name and pronoun, and I have directed them to call him by them.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            See Tanner Cross case in Loudoun and the governor’s guidance for details…

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Being raised Catholic and at a time when prayer was permitted, nay forced, in public schools, I can still remember the feeling of ostracism when the rest of the class continued with “for thine is the glory, yada, yada, yada.” Cannot imagine what the Stein kid felt. Wished I had asked him.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      The one Catholic student in my 7th grade got to go to the library when we had our religious instruction session. I envied him.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        Now that’s Protestant Reformation! Get your Catholic butt out of here while we talk religion.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          I don’t think he was required to leave. Rather, it was the choice of his family.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            Wise choice 🙂

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      I can’t remember, was it “sins”, “debts” or “trespasses” we sought forgiveness for? Probably each School Board needed to make a choice. 🙂 The Stein kid was muttering something in Hebrew under his breath, and that was fine. But the court decisions were correct and overdue.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        For me? It was thoughts, definitely thoughts.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          and in the religion you were raised in the thought was as big a sin as the act. Scary stuff.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Priests obviously knew what they were talking about, eh?

          2. Lefty665 Avatar

            The thought preceded the act? It was a twofer, but made the confession sessions longer.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Ha ha ha THUD! (Boomer LMAO)

  5. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    I don’t know…
    Is this a cause to care about?
    Maybe when people tell you who they are, you should believe it…
    https://twitter.com/TimcastNews/status/1672410287251529735

  6. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Besides the worthless education part…
    School choice. Money follows the student. Get out of the blob…

  7. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Fundraising letters make actual campaign materials look like Gospel. Always the hottest rhetoric. Send me some Democrat letters, Dick, so I can have some fun.

    Parents are a child’s first and most important teachers. All parents have a choice to make about how much they will defer to the schools, and on what topics. And they have a choice of schools, if they can afford the private route. But yes, in reality, every parent has full rights to raise a child in whatever religion they choose and can convey their personal sense of history or views of science. That is why it was proper decades ago to expunge traditional evangelical Protestantism and seek to avoid religious instruction, daily prayers and (Protestant) Bible readings. It was infringing on the rights of other parents to raise children who were Catholic, Jewish, Hindu or even atheist.

    If what parents want taught proves to be contrary to what the consensus is in school, so be it. The child will eventually grow up and make their own decisions. What is going on now is a reaction to a very real, longstanding ideological campaign. Where I suspect it is going wrong is other parents don’t have an unlimited right to demand all students be taught what they want. They should focus on what they want their own kids to know or think. Nothing would be better for education overall than for households to be filled with conversations between parents and students on topics from school.

    Anybody but me remember the debates over “creationism” in the schools? In the 1985 campaign for Governor, Wyatt Durrette’s answer to a question on that won him votes in Falwell Country and helped kill him in Northern Virginia. I remember because I was the reporter who asked the question that October. Everything old is new again.

    1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
      Kathleen Smith

      I agree with Dick, great commentary Mr. Haner. I read the flyer and trashed it. The SOLs and the accountability that follows should keep parents satisfied. What is being taught is what schools are being held accountable for. Nothing more, in some cases, unfortunately, because more could be taught.

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      This is the most reasonable comment on this topic that I have read.

      I remember the creationism debate. I don’t remember the question nor the answer.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        He was for allowing it in classrooms. We brought it up in the Roanoke Times editorial board interview, and it was pretty much the only news from the discussion so it became the lede on the story, then went to the wires and became A Thing.

        Nobody then or now can stop a parent from telling their kid, “evolution is false and all life was created as described in Genesis, so you’re teacher is wrong.” And parents carry pretty good weight against the views of teachers, especially with the younger students.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Then kids grow up.

        2. I have an orthographic question: As far as you know, is the use of the spelling “lede” in place of “lead” exclusively a journalism thing? I’ve not seen it used anywhere else.

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            As far as I know, yes, a newspaper thing.

          2. Thanks.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        That’s because it is still raging. The “intelligent design” folks are still out there. And, I do mean “out there”.

        Science or philosophy, take your pick, but please stop mixing them. Evidence or belief.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          Intelligent design always seemed like an oxymoron to me, a contradiction of terms.

          I have no doubt there’s intelligence out there, joyriding alien adolescents in flying saucers buzzing the natives in the boondocks as evidence. But I never could see that there was ever any design of the universe, intelligent or otherwise.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Oh, I too believe there’s intelligent life out there. That’s why we can’t find them.

        2. Science or philosophy, take your pick, but please stop mixing them.

          I was going to prepare a comment disagreeing with this, but I don’t want to end up in some epistemological rabbit hole today. Escaping from one can be difficult.

        3. TacoTuesdays Avatar
          TacoTuesdays

          The fastest observed rate of mutation fixation is far to slow to account for the genetic divergence between any two species.

          Taking the largest estimation of time between now and the CHLCA (Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor), and taking the fastest possible rate of mutation (about four happening at once, taking 15.7 generations to become fixed in the species), I come to a maximum number of mutations of 320,000. So that’s the ceiling of how many mutations could have happened since our common ancestor.

          The number of differences we have with chimpanzees is about 40 million mutations. So 320,000 of course is not in the same world.

          If I reverse the calculation, I come to 32 useful mutations would have to fix themselves in the species every generation (20 years). So, if a single mutation would have to prove itself over generations by out-breeding competition, this clearly can’t happen by chance. Plus, we would be able to observe evolution under lab conditions in that case.

          To rebut this, I’d go at the numbers. Maybe the ones we’re using are wrong. Maybe the timeline is vastly greater. Or maybe far more mutations can become fixed in parallel. Is there a way for an evolutionary pressure to force a gene to change thousands of its base pairs all at once? Maybe our biology has a way of reading the environment and signalling large-scale genetic change in our offspring, across many pregnant women at once. Almost like biological intelligent design. – Of course, if this is the case, we should be able to prove it out by comparing the DNA of children to that of their parents.

          But whatever ends up accounting for all this, the point is that classical Darwinism is debunked by DNA sequencing technology. I don’t see how that could be argued against.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Assuming that early human lifespan wasn’t just 3 years, 3 months, or 21 days. Or all of those at one time.

          2. So, typical gestation periods of about 10 days, 22 hours or 5-1/2 hours, respectively.

            That could speed things up considerably.

          3. So, typical gestation periods of about 10 days, 22 hours or 5-1/2 hours, respectively.

            That could speed things up considerably.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            A longer lifespan, gestational period, and delayed puberty should be an evolutionary benefit. Fewer offspring but a higher chance of offspring survival.

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “…classical Darwinism is debunked by DNA sequencing….”

            “Classical Darwinism” was debunked by the Burgess Shale…

        4. killerhertz Avatar
          killerhertz

          As are the mask wearers. Different religion, still extremists.

  8. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    “The fundraising letter ends with this extraordinary and ludicrous warning:”

    The fact that the author only take exception with a singular party further illustrates their absolute partisanship and inability to have a civil and intelligent conversation on the topic.

    Both parties conduct themselves in this manner, the both send mailers spelling out unequivocal doom if the voter doesn’t vote for their party. They are politicians and by the very definitions loose with the truth, so I’d suggest instead of getting your little knickers in a twist over one party, stop being so blind.

    Example:
    https://www.newsweek.com/biden-pelosi-democrats-fundraising-emails-roe-v-wade-ruling-1719159

    1. You are forgetting one of the most important rules of politics in this modern world:

      If a “progressive” says something outrageous, it’s just a “joke”, or perhaps the person’s rhetoric was “a little over the top”.

      If a conservatize says something outrageous, it’s a very real threat and it must be taken seriously by all.

      1. VaNavVet Avatar

        Trump and the MAGA politicians have made a living off being outrageous.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “VaNavVet WayneS 17 minutes ago
          Trump and the MAGA politicians have made a living off being outrageous.”

          If your reflexive action is to invoke Trump, you should seek medical assistance. This has been occurring long before Trump and will extend long after him.

          Pepperidge Farm remembers Granny and a cliff.

          https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/08/12/liberal-group-throws-granny-off-cliff-again/?sh=7eafe3688286

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        It’s very maddening.

        An unfortunate result of only ever being on a never ending fundraising cycle, vs actually doing their jobs.

  9. VaPragamtist Avatar
    VaPragamtist

    I was having a conversation with a former of mine teacher just the other day about some on our school board focusing primarily on transgender issues or, as he put it, “keeping boys out of girl’s bathrooms.”

    It occurred to me, thinking back to a couple decades ago, that the school wasn’t really doing a good job of “keeping boys out of girl’s bathrooms” (or vice versa) then.

    Related, a handful of my classmates each year, beginning as early as 8th grade, were pregnant.

    The problem for low income areas like Southside Virginia is deeper than the school system. It’s rooted in the home and continues in a vicious cycle of poor quality of education. I can’t imagine the people I went to school with, now parents (and in some cases, probably grandparents), being “in charge” of their children’s education.

    1. The problem for low income areas like Southside Virginia is deeper than the school system. It’s rooted in the home and continues in a vicious cycle of poor quality of education.

      I agree. It’s a problem that has been with us a long time but no one has fixed it yet. What is your proposed solution?

      1. VaPragamtist Avatar
        VaPragamtist

        Since you asked. . .

        I would completely rethink the public education system. Burst the academic bubble teachers exist in for their entire professional lives (graduate high school –> college–>maybe grad school–>teach). Teachers shouldn’t be 23-year olds right out of a feel-good BA in higher ed program with no real life experience, taught solely by others within the academic bubble. They should be seasoned professionals who can provide both book and real-life education. People students can look to as role models and successes. People they can trust.

        Attract teachers from mid-to-late career industry. Get them certified to teach (it’s easier to get an experienced professional certified to teach than it is to get a certified teacher practical experience). Pay them 6 figures. In the first year existing teachers can reapply for their current jobs, but they’d have to compete for the position.

        I’d personally also require school uniforms. Subsidize for the families that can’t afford them. Mitigate the issues that result from dress code violations, kids bullying each other over clothes, and so on.

        Give parents a voice (don’t put them in charge), through a PTA. At least from where I live you don’t hear about PTAs. I wonder if that’s because that collective group might run contrary to the VEA?

        Get rid of the VEA. and the VSBA.

        Private schools should pay taxes, especially those founded in the aftermath of Brown v BoE as a way to continue segregation. While they may not draw tangible resources from the community, their continued existence (and largely continued segregation of “haves” and “have nots” in the community) continue to exacerbate the problem I mentioned earlier. Those in the community with resources (and better education), just don’t care as much about the public education system because it’s not impacting their children. So they don’t contribute to the solution.

        That’s where I’d start.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          I would vote for all that.

        2. Thank you for the very well thought-out response.

          I’m in agreement with you on everything except “…especially those founded in the aftermath of Brown v BoE…”

          If you’re going to tax private schools (and I think we should) then they all need to be taxed in the same manner.

  10. So, diversity of thought among the parents is a bad thing, but enforced conformity of thought among the students is a good thing. I see a different problem. Those who are in favor of the governor’s proposal are not as intellectually bereft as they are supposed to be, and those who criticize them are not their intellectual and moral superiors. Jefferson wrote:

    the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles
    on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride
    them legitimately…

    I tell my friends on the left that they fit nicely into the definition of the favored few. Perhaps less intolerance would lead to better solutions. The left seems to demand surrender to their demands as the price of comity.

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    They’re coming for your house. Yeah Carol, way OT but fascinating. Give it an hour.

    The houses and buildings in the RHS look white — it’s ash. Look in the lower left corner and there is ONE house left unscathed.
    https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/K1kGbn9Dk8vksf.rUqiuVA–/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTI0MDA7aD0xMjAw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/nbc_news_122/c71b9db38ec174eef263107d597faf7a

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