The Decidedly Unintuitive Student Debt of Undergrads upon Graduation from Virginia’s Public 4-Year Colleges and Universities

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by James C. Sherlock

I had never until now looked at college costs from the perspective of the new graduate, as opposed to his or her parents.

But it is fair to say that many look closely at their debt and their incomes after graduation and are taken aback, whether or not they borrow yet more to go on to graduate or professional schools.

So, I have examined available state data on student debt at graduation of the undergrads at Virginia’s public 4-year colleges and universities between 2016 and 2021.

If you expected the results that you will see here on their debts at graduation, you are much more informed that I was when I started.

Some are startling, at least to me.

There are many possible explanations; so many that I will not venture them with the exception of noting some actual room-and-board differences for commuter schools from students who live at home.

The rest represent some combination of parents’ ability to pay (and borrow) and schools’ abilities to reduce sticker prices with scholarships and other discounts.

None of that estimates the value of the degrees. None accounts for the debt of dropouts.

Background. The data I have curated and subjected to analysis came from the State Council on Higher Education in Virginia (SCHEV) database EOM 04: Debt Profile: Student Loans by Race 5 Years, that offers known debt at graduation between 2016 and 2021.

Some of the data are clearly rounded estimates, some rather specific. The median was in the $26,000 range for the 60% of students who graduated with debt in 2021.

The data are broken out by race, labeled “majority students” and “students of color.”

Also of great interest would be EOM P01: Student Debt by Program Listing (what the students majored in), but those data are not available after 2011-12.

Student debt, of course, pays for more than tuition. The costs of room and board together can be major factors.

Some of Virginia’s public colleges and universities are more regional than others, enabling some students to live at home while attending, but we don’t know how many actually do that.

So, proximity should be a factor to reduce those students’ debts, but from the data it did not.

These data include transfers. But they do not include any debt that transfer students acquired while attending previous institutions outside Virginia. And it is noted in the data presentation that relatively few transfers from Virginia’s two-year colleges incur debt prior to transfer.

Finally, the burden of student debt in life is relative to post-graduate wages. If we had the data on debt by major by institution, families would have more insight when choosing a school and a major.

But I worked with what SCHEV has published, which I find significant despite those limitations.

Grads With the Least Debt, 2021.  

Racial majority students graduated with the least debt (lowest to higher) from

  1. UVa Wise
  2. William and Mary
  3. UVa main campus
  4. Mary Washington.

Students of color

 graduated with the least debt from (lowest to higher)

  1. UVa main campus,
  2. William and Mary
  3. UVa Wise
  4. Mary Washington

Interestingly, only one of those, UVa Wise, is identifiable as a regional school.

Grads With the Most Debt, 2021.

Racial majority students graduated with the most debt from (highest to lower)

  1. Norfolk State
  2. Virginia State
  3. Christopher Newport
  4. VMI

Students of color

graduated with the most debt from (higher to lower)

  1. Norfolk State
  2. Virginia State
  3. Radford
  4. Old Dominion

All of those but VMI and perhaps Radford can be described as primarily regional schools.

Fastest Growth in Graduating Majority Student Debt, 2016 – 2021

Old Dominion, by a very wide margin.

Fastest Growth in Graduating Student of Color Debt, 2016 – 2021.

  1. Old Dominion
  2. VMI
  3. UVa Wise

Bottom Line.

This is a new way, at least for me, for looking at the costs of Virginia public colleges and universities.

One obvious question: why do not more students take advantage of the community college programs that guarantee admissions to state schools? I have no real data, though I am sure unawareness has something to do with it. SCHEV should examine ways to get the word out.

As for other changes, I encourage SCHEV to re-start collection and publication of debt by major by institution.

I also urge them to gather data on value to the degree to the extent possible by estimating wages in the first three years after graduation, by institution and by program, excluding those who went on to graduate school.

The additions of those data would be of immense help to students and parents picking an undergraduate school and for undergraduate students in picking a major.

Reducing that debt would be of help to students and the economy that bear far more student debt than is economically and socially healthy.

Finally, the federal government leaped headfirst into the retail banking business by grabbing control of student loans under the Obama administration and a Democratic Congress’s Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (HCERA). Four thousand colleges were forced to switch from private lenders to the government program.

What could go wrong?

In 2010 the average annual tuition at four-year public colleges was just over $7,000 a year. It is now $23,250 annually. More than tripled in 13 years. Inflation in the total economy over that same period was 40%.

It thus did not slow the growth of student debt – quite the opposite. Look:

Now the government is unable, likely as a matter of constitutional law (14th Amendment) and certainly as a matter of basic fairness to Americans who do not attend college, to cancel the debt of college graduates whose career incomes will far exceed those of the majority of taxpayers.

For $2 trillion in student debt we can thank both our federal government and the institutions that leveraged the loan program to spend every penny regardless of value offered to students.


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46 responses to “The Decidedly Unintuitive Student Debt of Undergrads upon Graduation from Virginia’s Public 4-Year Colleges and Universities”

  1. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
    Virginia Gentleman

    “One obvious question: why do not more students take advantage of the community college programs that guarantee admissions to state schools?”

    Is it possible that some of the students did start off in the Community College System and then transferred and graduated from the schools mentioned above?

    1. Stanwood Avatar

      I suspect you are right about lack of awareness. That’s probably the biggest component. For the middle class and up, I think students and parents are looking for the “experience” of a 4-year school and consider the CC route to be a step down.

      If we learned anything from Covid it’s that students and parents are seeking the college “experience” and universities are charging for a “credential”. Whatever education happens along the way seems to be a secondary consideration.

  2. I have a daughter doing the community-college-to-4-year-college program. I’m not happy about it, but covid was hard socially on her and she was not prepared to go away at 18. Why am I not happy that she is saving me a small fortune? She is missing out on that part of college that will serve her best in her future – her freshman and sophomore connections, and the growth that comes from those late teen years living in a dorm. Yes, it’s an excellent option – but it comes at a price.

    Putting that aside, there are so many parts of student debt that need to be factored in to your analysis. First and foremost to an 80s-era college kid, consider lifestyle expectations. Meal plans now include Starbucks and Chicfila, and there’s designer coffee at the library. College life is a far cry from the days of stuffing chicken sandwiches in a backpack and brewing a pot in the dorm kitchen. Off campus housing is now brand new and fully furnished, and priced accordingly – not 8 kids deep in a 3 bedroom rental within biking distance.

    Even if kids are on campus, colleges are competing for students with dorm renovations that are not exactly utilitarian, and I expect the cost is passed right along.

    Do these kids have part time jobs while they’re in school? I’m thinking through my recent dining and shopping trips, and I don’t recall being helped by a W&M student. Our restaurants are closing early because they don’t have staff, the staff that used to be Order of the White Jackets kids. My daughter’s job is 1 block from W&M, but her coworkers are CC students.

    One more thing – it is efficient to take out interest-free student loans and pay them back out of a 529 Plan after graduating (adding 4 years of earnings), or flip that 529 into an IRA and take make the deductible-interest loan payment.

    I won’t even start on what colleges spends money on. There’s so much more to the student loan situation than what is on the surface.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      You make some good points, some of which have surfaced before on this blog. The primary one is the lifestyle expectations that students now have, or that colleges think they want. Another good point is that of student jobs. One of my uncles was a member of the Order of White Jackets. Of course, those were students who waited on tables in the dining hall. That opportunity and job position no longer exists, but I get your point.

      1. The more modern version was food service at the CW taverns – a ridiculously well paying job in my time. Right now taverns are open on rotation, supposedly because they can’t find staff – CW has 42 food service positions posted. Off topic, but an interesting piece of info.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          No, it is not off topic. It is relevant. When I was there, I knew students who worked in the taverns. The idea they can’t find staff is ironic since there is a seemingly natural source in the student body, which probably complain about the high cost of college.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            some years back, it seemed that academically-qualified low income folks could get a full scholarship for tuition but had to work in the dining halls or elsewhere to earn their dorm and food needs.

            Why or how we have gotten away from that and everyone is looking for a full-boat subsidized package that incurs decades of downstream debt is beyond me.

            I can see kids making a judgement error on this but I totally don’t understand the parents thinking it’s okay much less them thinking taxpayers are responsible.

    2. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      W&M students are not, by and large, coming from families that need them to work/contribute financially to their education. The average income for enrolled students is over $175K. THIS is why no one needs a job. Poor families don’t generally have 529s and IRAs to borrow against. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/college-of-william-mary#:~:text=College%20of%20William%20%26%20Mary&text=The%20median%20family%20income%20of,but%20became%20a%20rich%20adult.

    3. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      W&M students are not, by and large, coming from families that need them to work/contribute financially to their education. The average family income (and assets???) for enrolled students is over $175K/yr. THIS is why no one needs a job. Poor families don’t generally have 529s and IRAs to borrow against. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/college-of-william-mary#:~:text=College%20of%20William%20%26%20Mary&text=The%20median%20family%20income%20of,but%20became%20a%20rich%20adult. A better approach for families with low/moderate incomes and low-wealth is to look for colleges that change lives and leave low-income/low-wealth students with minimal debt. The data is public.

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Your tables are interesting and somewhat surprising. William and Mary’s tuition is on the high side, compared to other state schools, yet it is among those schools whose students graduate with less debt. Why? Do the W&M students come from disproportionately more well-off families? Does W&M have more financial aid to provide? These are the types of questions that need to be asked in order to understand your findings.

    1. Do the W&M students come from disproportionately more well-off families?

      Pretty much, yes.

      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/college-of-william-mary

  4. Not Today Avatar
    Not Today

    Endowments and alumni giving make a HUGE difference in a school’s capacity to subsidize low-income/low-wealth students.

    1. Teddy007 Avatar

      Out of state students paying full tuition and international students paying even more are what give many universities the ability to subsidize low-income students. At universities with few out of state students and no international students, there is far less funding to subsidize poor s tudents.

  5. Lefty665 Avatar

    What I didn’t understand when the Feds took over student loans was why they didn’t peg the interest rate to the US Treasury bond rate. That would have greatly reduced student debt and cost the country nothing. Instead after a decade of profiting the Gov’t wants to write off balances and for the rest of us to pay for it. Go figure.

    1. Purchasing votes long into the future…

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      Well that wouldn’t have worked, how ever would they provide a solution to a problem of their own making and pat themselves on the back.

    3. killerhertz Avatar
      killerhertz

      Because they want debt serfs?

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I wish I could navigate the data as well as you have, and more I wish that this particular data were available, but I wonder how the number of part time students and the availability of courses offered from 5 to 10PM has changed in the last 50 years.

    As an undergraduate, I stopped out for a semester, or three, while saving money to continue rather than attend part time.

    But, as a part time graduate student, I took mostly courses offered at 4 or 5PM (William & Mary had no courses on main campus after 5 in my major, plus I requested they waive the residency requirement). Further, I was able to take 2 night courses at VARC and transfer two other courses from ODU taken at night.

    As an adjunct faculty member at CNU, the campus classrooms in the Math, Physics and CompSci building were all full and utilized until 10PM every single semester from 1981 to 2005.

    Today, CNU offers only 28 courses that end at 10PM on the whole of the campus.

    I suspect our urban campuses have severely pared back the ability to attend part time and at night.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I attended community college in the evening after work for two years. Then picked up other courses and my final year full time on a work scholarship.

      So, no “college life” for me, nor thousands of dollars of debt in doing it.

      There are many ways people can get 4 yrs of college without huge debt but it often involves NOT being on campus and doing the full “college life” deal and it may well include a part time job to help take care of living expenses.

      I don’t begrudge kids or parents who want the full “college life” option but I do point it , it’s a choice made…one that has consequences in terms of debt and it’s not something any of us are “entitled” to per se. It’s no different than buying an inexpensive car versus a fancy one in some respects.

      I’m willing to bet that many colleges could offer a full year of academic classes – ONLY – for 10K or less with all the rest extra cost for folks to decide if they want to go into debt for.

      I can see where young people don’t have enough life experience to help them make good financial decisions but I’m flummoxed that some parents apparently don’t either and/are so heck-bent on getting that “college life” thing for their kids, they just give it all up and take the debt.

      There are lots of ways of getting a college education without sustaining huge debt. It’s a choice people make, not a forced decision.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        My courses were almost all fully employed adults older than me at the beginning, and a lot of whom were being reimbursed by employers. But, many were paying their own way desperate to improve their lives with a college education.

        In 23 years, there are a few I will never forget. I had a shipyard manager in his late 50s, more than a few mid-career teachers, a few military officers, a cop, and one young lady about 28 who is forever burned into my eyes.

        She wore the same outfit every class, blue high heels and a trench coat, and she was so attractive it was hard not to end the class lecturing only to her. She never took off the coat even when late April temperatures made the classroom a virtual Hell. Finally, during last class of the semester I made comment about the coat and how uncomfortably hot she had to be.

        She explained that she didn’t want to be a distraction (she could have worn a box and not been less of a distraction). She then stood up and took off the trench coat. She was a cocktail waitress at a local nightclub and her outfit would best be described as a very revealing French maid’s uniform. It’s been 40+ years, and that night is as clear…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          used to be that education was opportunity but you had to do your part to take advantage of it.

          You were not “entitled” to it. It was on you to pursue the opportunities, not for the govt to
          bring them all to you wrapped up nice with taxpayer subsidies.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            BTW, I suspect the State has surrendered the part time night student to the for-profits at the cost of quality to the public.

          2. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            State share of higher ed funding over time. What was that you were saying about education being handed to you and funded by taxpayers? https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/state-higher-education-funding-cuts-have-pushed-costs-to-students

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I was asking… if taxpayers should pay for tuition or at least subsidize the loans for tuition but room and board is not a taxpayer responsibility. Back in the day, academically qualified low income folks could get a tuition scholarship but had to work in the dining hall or other places to pay for their room and board. But who in their right mind would get a loan to pay for their living expenses to start with? Only in a college situation but it’s really not a good financial approach… you’re paying interest on food you already ate and a bed you already slept in! No one does that in the real world… no bank would loan money for that, right?

      2. Why, if a family is making 170k plus a year, are they unable to contribute a good chunk of change to their kid’s education? Has the country forgotten that educating one’s kids to be productive adults is a duty of a parent? The new car can wait. Priorities, folks.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I agree. I’m primarily referring to those who do not have the money to pay for college and need loans and incurring thousands of dollars in debt for room and board and the “college experience” is not a good thing , especially for a kid and parents who are “low income”. Better to work for room & board and not being paying interest of a loan for room&board for years/decades.

    2. I took quite a few of my classes at night and over the summer – partly for availability (mine) and partly because my learning style preferred the 3 hour sessions. In helping my daughter select classes the last couple years, I have found very few offered. Perhaps they have been replaced by virtual classes, which I find subpar at best. The loss of the 80s version of CNU leaves a gaping hole in the Tidewater educational opportunity roster. Excellent school, would love my daughter to transfer there instead of W&M, but what a resource it was for us.

  7. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “But colleges have been bracing for a new headwind — the so-called demographic cliff. This refers to a drop-off in high school graduates expected to start around 2025 due to declining birth rates during the Great Recession.

    That year could usher in a greater number of college closures, according to Michael Horn, author of “Choosing College” and other books on education.

    “We’ll see sort of a similar level of closures this coming year, and then the real uptick will happen after 2025,” Horn said.”

    https://www.highereddive.com/news/college-closings-next-year-how-many/690293/

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      not gonna hurt the big guys… gonna to do to smaller colleges what Walmart and Amazon did to mom & pop stores…

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        The University of West Virginia (a big guy) is already cutting programs due to financial stress.

        What do you think happens when costs spiral out of control while benefits remain flat (at best)?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          At this point, I don’t consider UWV a “biggie”… in the same sense I would UVA or UNC, Va Tech, etc. And the cuts they did …. did not sound intelligently strategic… and I’m not sure if whatever is gonna happen there is done happening…. So … even if ones like UWV get nicked… overall, over the
          longer run, the smaller ones are going to be a greater risk because they simply lack the resources that even UWV has.

          1. Is there a particular reason why you do not consider WVU one of the “biggies”? It is the largest university in West Virginia.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            To me, more of a State Level university and not really highly sought after by out-of-state folks
            like you’d see with UVA, UNC, VaTech, etc… A degree from WVU is probably down a notch or two
            than from these other guys.. in my mind…. I’ve not even looked to see how they rank… so
            maybe I need to learn more?

          3. According to CollegeFactual.com, 53.89% of students at WVU are from out of state.

            That figure is 37.7% at UVA and 22.11% at Virginia Tech.

            It does not rank as high as UVA or Virginia Tech by those who rank such things, but is still on US News and World Reports list of top national universities, and it is ranked R-1 by Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education.

          4. I would have thought WVU would draw more students from Ohio than it does.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Yes…. Ohio and Penn

          6. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Non-selective institutions that lack a niche market is how I define at risk colleges, that and their fiscal rating and endowment. It’s the reason some continue to thrive while others are cannibalizing each other trying to enroll the same kids.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Maybe. But, colleges are quick to adapt, or can be. Their product doesn’t involve a supply chain that’s short term, and it isn’t perishable. Lasts a lifetime, so to speak.

  8. Those debt numbers are a lot lower than I thought they would be. When I left Virginia Tech in 1988 following graduate school, I owed a little less than $25,000 in student loans (the equivalent of about $60,000 today).

    I repaid the entire amount in 8 years – two years earlier than required by the terms of my loans.

    The figures in your article are yet another argument for refusing to allow a bunch of whining brats and their “progressive” mouthpieces to talk the federal government into forcing me to pay back their student loans after having already paid off my own.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      I paid off $40k in the 10 years required. Even when those dastardly fellows tried to extend it by reducing my monthly required payments.

  9. Fred Costello Avatar
    Fred Costello

    More should be done to cut college costs. Much is being spent on non-educational facilities. When I taught college, there were about 300 applicants per opening. Are professors being paid too much? Price competition is stifled by the state subsidization of state schools. Private schools cannot compete.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      More than a few colleges and universities look like this:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f755e924438d22660d09bbf7a48e2dd3bc10fdf9a211d1728db55a737a629e4.jpg

      less than 10K for tuition. It’s the room and board that cost and even worse if folks get loans to pay for room & board…. longer term.

  10. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    One thought on student loans might be to only allow loans for tuition, not living expenses, food or shelter. That’s on you. Figure
    it out. Visit any college town and you’ll find kids sharing houses and apartments to keep their living costs down. Good on them! They can get part time jobs at restaurants and get food for free on their breaks, they can even get food at food pantries!

    The idea that people would get govt-subsidized loans to pay for living expenses is just nutty in my view.

    Folks owe thousands of dollars over years to pay back money for a place they lived in and food they ate.

    These are choices. There are many paths that folks can take. They are not forced to take the most expensive path and then expect taxpayers to help them with it!

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