Teachers Are Afraid to Return to Their Classrooms

by Kerry Dougherty

We all knew this was coming.

In fact, I suggested last month that if you have kids in local public schools you should quickly enroll them in Catholic or other private schools before those filled and your kids would be stuck trying to learn online. (Some of these institutions have scholarships available.)

Most private schools plan to reopen fully this fall with students in class five days a week .

Sadly, it looks like most public school kids will not be so lucky.

All across the country militant teachers’ unions are balking at a return to the classroom. In Fairfax County, teachers groups are saying they don’t want to return to school until there’s a COVID-19 vaccine.

As expected, we learned this week that Norfolk schools are unlikely to offer any classroom instruction, except to “some” kids in the youngest grades. A final decision will come later this month.

Now the Virginia Beach teachers’ association — the VBEA — says most of its members don’t want to go back to school in the fall. They want to continue with distance learning. There’s this, from The Virginian-Pilot:

“The education association that represents some 1,400 teachers in Virginia Beach said on Thursday that it ‘cannot support the opening of schools to face-to-face instruction’ due to rising coronavirus cases in the region.”

…“Kelly Walker, the president of the Virginia Beach Education Association, said she has been bombarded by emails, phone calls and text messages from teachers who are deeply concerned about having to choose between their job and their health. She said a recent survey, conducted by the group between June 8 and July 1, showed nearly one out of three teachers had health concerns for themselves or family members if they had to return to schools for in-person classes this fall.”

“It’s been very overwhelming. Many people are very scared,” she said.

 The Beach school board will decide in two weeks what school will look like this fall.

Odds that the elected representatives will have the courage to stand up to the teachers and reopen schools?

Zero.

Still, evidence from around the globe piles up, indicating that schools can safely open with little risk of outbreaks. Daycare centers have been operating all along with few problems.

It seems some teachers want “guarantees” that there is no risk. Preposterous. There can never be a risk-free environment. Even the seasonal flu poses health problems for teachers and students every year.

Look, teachers are educated people. They have the ability to read the growing body of reassuring studies. Surely they’ve seen the detailed reports out of Australia, Iceland, Germany and Sweden that showed schools reopening with few problems even when the virus was raging through their communities.

If that didn’t convince them to return to the classroom, surely the strong statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics should have given them the confidence to go back to work:

The AAP strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school. The importance of in-person learning is well-documented, and there is already evidence of the negative impacts on children because of school closures in the spring of 2020. Lengthy time away from school and associated interruption of supportive services often results in social isolation, making it difficult for schools to identify and address important learning deficits as well as child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation. This, in turn, places children and adolescents at considerable risk of morbidity and, in some cases, mortality. Beyond the educational impact and social impact of school closures, there has been substantial impact on food security and physical activity for children and families…

 The preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection.

Teachers need to know that an overwhelming majority of experts with actual understanding of viruses told The New York Times this week that they wouldn’t hesitate to send their kids back to school:

“We asked more than 500 epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists when they expect to restart 20 activities of daily life, assuming that the coronavirus pandemic and the public health response to it unfold as they expect. On sending children to school, camp or child care, 70 percent said they would do so either right now, later this summer or in the fall — much sooner than most said they would resume other activities that involved big groups of people gathering indoors.”

Still, educators are afraid. And so local classrooms will likely be empty this fall as parents are forced to juggle jobs with homeschooling — let’s face it, that’s what distance learning is for elementary school kids — and students will continue to suffer from isolation.

Lucky for us that truckers, meat packers, food processors, supermarket employees and agricultural workers weren’t too afraid to work or we’d be dealing with a situation more dire than Covid-19.

We’d be starving.

This column was published with permission from www.kerrydougherty.com.


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87 responses to “Teachers Are Afraid to Return to Their Classrooms”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    You know………. when this is going on for most public school systems across the entire country including states that do not have teachers “unions” – it’s more than just a bunch of teachers in one locality.

    It’s either a conspiracy of union teachers or there are legitimate issues affecting public schools in general. Make your choice. Kerry did.

    And I would not be so sanquine about other lines of work. Meatpackers, first responders, and many others who continue to work also continue to get infected – to the point where some are closed down again.

    And one wonders if all those courthouses are “unionized” also, eh?

    Here’s an interesting article from that liberal rag – the New York Slime:

    In the Same Towns, Private Schools Are Reopening While Public Schools Are Not

    Private schools have always had more flexibility, and usually more money, but never has that disparity made a bigger difference than now.

    [excerpts]:

    In Honolulu, nearly all public schools are planning to allow students to return for just part of the week. But at Punahou, a private school for grades kindergarten through 12, school will open full time for everyone.

    The school has an epidemiologist on staff and is installing thermal scanners in the hallways to take people’s temperatures as they walk by. It has a new commons area and design lab as well as an 80-acre campus that students can use to spread out. There were already two teachers for 25 children, so it will be easy to cut classes in half to meet public health requirements for small, consistent groups.

    The same thing is happening in communities across the country: Public schools plan to open not at all or just a few days a week, while many neighboring private schools are opening full time.

    Public schools, which serve roughly 90 percent of American children, tend to have less money, larger class sizes and less flexibility to make changes to things like the curriculum, facilities or work force.

    “The virus is this huge stress test on our education system,” said Robert Pianta, dean of the school of education at the University of Virginia. “It has exposed a great deal of inequity, and we are going to see this only exacerbated in the coming months, not years. Certain kids in certain systems, depending on the resources, are going to get much closer to what looks like a typical high-quality education than others.”

    After the surge in cases, deaths are now rising too.
    “If we were a country interested in saving schools the same way we’ve saved airlines and banks, then this is a problem we could solve,” said Ms. Hoff Varner, who was the P.T.A. president at her children’s school last year.

    Some public districts have developed plans to open full time for most students. They include smaller, wealthier suburban districts as well as urban ones like those in Durham, N.C., and Charlottesville, Va.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/upshot/coronavirus-school-reopening-private-public-gap.html

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      As was pointed out during the debate this winter, just about all other states but Virginia have teacher unions. And we will have union contracts by next summer, too. But I know that the terror among some of the teachers is real. As I said, just write off the year and plan to move to the next grade in 12 months instead of next month.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Here’s one map of various types of teacher unions and collective bargaining and perhaps one might just look at the states without unions to see how most teachers feel – to see if there is any difference between union states and non-union states.

        Anyone who has a relative or a friend who is a teacher knows what happens in “normal” years come winter and the flu season. There is a LOT of “mucus” in the classrooms… it’s all over the place and multiple kids in the classroom can be sneezing and coughing.

        This is what teachers are thinking about. They know there is no way to prevent the airborne transfer of “stuff”.

        https://www.the74million.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Union-membership-map.jpg

  2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Wait, what?

    So, lemme get this straight. Public schools may not open because the teachers are concerned that they might not be safe when they are in a room full of Covid carriers, but that private schools WILL open because their teachers have no such concerns.

    What kind of quality education do you expect to get from clearly stupid teachers? Is Chuck Woolery the principal?

    1. sherlockj Avatar
      sherlockj

      Typically nuanced response, Nancy.

      From an editorial in the Virginian-Pilot this morning:

      “So even as everyone wants to see students return as scheduled, there needs to be a plan for doing so. One that ensures safety, protects everyone — students, teachers, administrators, staff and families — and inspires confidence.”

      So we need to make sure no child ever comes to school with a communicable illness. That point has never existed and never will.

      Schooling is expensive and a bother. Probably just as well we leave them closed, don’t you agree?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        How about Ebola?

        1. MAdams Avatar

          Hyperbole at it’s finest, you’re comparing hemorrhagic fever, which you cannot transmit unless you’re symptomatic to a virus to which you don’t know who and when they have it.

        2. WayneS Avatar

          What about it?

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Alas, we know more about Ebola than we do about this virus. People accuse me of “doom and gloom”. Well, they’re right. 140,000 is a lot of doom; 240,000 by November. We’re following the number in action and the KIA.

            The gloom? Well, they’re right about that too. It’s brought out by the fact that, while the death rate is dropping, no one has even addressed the number of persons who are permanently effed up by this virus — the WIA — the people lucky(?) enough to be discharged with ground glass lungs and dim prospects of a full recovery.

            Sure, lots of reporting on the positives and the negatives and the asymptomatic but they’re learning about this disease from the autopsied. They are finding the virus in all organs, not just the lungs. They are also finding blood clots everywhere. Interestingly, they also discovered why there are so many false negatives on the tests. In ~30% of the dead, they are not finding the virus in the throats and nose. Instead, it’s in the brain, in the part that effects taste and smell.

            I’ll save my celebratory dancing for when, perhaps a year from now, we discover that the recovered aren’t just walking dead who are just waiting for renal failure, or some other degenerative condition.

    2. PackerFan Avatar
      PackerFan

      Chuck Woolery is actually Virginia’s current Secretary of Education. Love how folks like to denigrate private schools, but then want to claim “inequity” in education due to the private schools having more money and how “if only public schools had more money”.

    3. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      Private schools have lower student / teacher ratios, larger campuses and more money for protective gear (like N95 masks).

      In Virginia, 35.8% of public school teachers are age 50 or over. While I don’t have comparable statistics for private schools in Virginia my personal observation is that private school teachers tend to be considerably younger.

      https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/sass/tables/sass1112_2013314_t1s_002.asp

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        yep. I’d concur but we know right now that young workers in restaurants and other congregate settings will get the virus.

        If a private school ends up with one or two teachers with the virus – chances are they don’t have a lot of “backup”.

        One of the things we are missing with both public and private schools are the value of para-educators… they could make a huge difference right now… ‘

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        So… the risk is lower? Got half you guys saying it’s safe and at the same time highly contagious. Which is it?

    4. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      What if there is never a vaccine? And no vaccine is 100%, certainly not the one for other flu bugs. No in person school ever again? I know you don’t propose solutions, just peddle fear porn, Nancy, but what do you suggest in that case? Will you suddenly tell President Biden, hey, sure teachers are still terrified after all the smoke we blew, but now its time to open schools after all? (I know with President Trump the fear campaign continues…)

  3. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    There are some important lessons the Virginia Educators Association could learn from Boston Police Strike in 1919. This event crippled the ability of the police in Boston to collectively organize for the next 3 decades. It propelled unknown Governor Calvin Coolidge into the national spotlight and on to Warren Harding’s ticket. When Harding’s ticker gave out in San Francisco, the nation had Silent Cal as it’s new President. Cal’s punishment was to endure his wife’s passion for attending Washington Senators home games for the rest of the tern even though he hated baseball. Their was one reward: Washington Senators beat the NY Giants in an epic 1924 World Series.

    1. WayneS Avatar

      Calvin Coolidge is on my list of the 5 U.S. presidents.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        OOPS. Brain not work.

        “…top 5 U.S. presidents”

      2. djrippert Avatar
        djrippert

        “Nothing in the world will take the place of persistence. Talent will not. The world is full of unsuccessful people with talent. Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts. Genius will not. Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.”

        1. WayneS Avatar

          “To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race.”

          and,

          “They criticize me for harping on the obvious; if all the folks in the United States would do the few simple things they know they ought to do, most of our big problems would take care of themselves.”

          and, one of my favorites,

          “Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business.”

  4. PackerFan Avatar
    PackerFan

    Wow! “NEARLY ONE OF THREE” Virginia Beach Education Association members who responded to their survey had concerns about returning to school. NEARLY one out of three! So the other 70% apparently don’t want to cower in their homes and are ready to get back to work like police officers, firefighters, doctors and nurses, grocery store workers, food production workers, etc., etc. Since when does “nearly one out of three” overrule “more than two out of three”?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Well – I’d have to see the rest of the survey to see if the other 2/3 were actually totally in favor of returning. I suspect it’s more along the line of 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 .

      The other thing is any thinking that all teachers are the same and can teach any subject so that a 1/3 loss can be accommodated by just allocating the workforce differently.

      Finally, take a look at what the GOP is doing nationally:

      ” A new plan under development by the White House and Senate Republicans to deal with the fallout from the coronavirus pandemic is expected to include financial incentives to push schools to reopen while also shielding health care workers and companies against lawsuits, Republicans said Monday, a move that will spur a fight with Democrats.”

      The Dems are asking why more money should not be given to schools to reconfigure them to be more safe – have more mobile classrooms, more para-educators, etc… why not do that instead of forcing teachers to return under unsafe conditions – with their right to sue for unsafe conditions – taken away?

      What is needed is a national-level plan to address the concerns of teachers to provide funding for safer schools – not threats to teachers and schools.

      The simple truth is – we have a bunch of idiots running the country who act a lot like thugs… when leadership is required.

      To give a quick example. testing. every day if necessary but certainly frequently – guaranteed – not pushed off on the localities to fund and try to find providers…

      Explicit guidance as to what happens if teachers do end up infected. What happens if 2 or 3 teachers end up infected? Close the school back down or what?

      these are the kinds of questions that if there are no answers forthcoming that does not engender confidence on the teachers part.

      They want to know what the plan is if infection occurs and there are outbreaks. Teachers go home to their own families which include others older and with comorbidities.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        “The other thing is any thinking that all teachers are the same and can teach any subject…”

        Wait. Are you implying that teachers should have some expertise in the subjects they teach?

        We can’t require that. All a person really needs is a series of degrees in Education to qualify as a teacher…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I’m really amused at that mindset. That tells me they have almost zero knowledge of how K-12 education “works”.

          Yep – they’re just a bunch of widgets… Send that 11th grade teacher to first grade…. Get the Physed gal to 8th grade math…

          I think DJ might be into football… maybe he thinks any player can do any position? 😉

          I mentioned earlier para-educators – who do tend to be more flexibly and plug/play and who could actually help make re-opening schools work.

          You just need to hire a crap-load of them.

  5. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    re: “refusing to work”.

    Well they’re not. Many are willing to do teach remotely – and many are willing to teach in-person if it is made safe.

    What they’re not willing to do is be coerced into working in unsafe conditions and yes they are banding together on that like healthcare workers have with shortages of PPE, and meat cutters, and Amazon workers.

    They’re not going to be coerced by others who don’t know and don’t care – and who only want one thing – no matter what.

    And the even more funny thing is that some of this is coming from folks who already vociferously oppose public education to start with. Just ZERO credibility.

  6. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    It’s time to shut down Virginia’s public schools for good. And start over, like was done with Air Traffic Controller’s and their corrupt union in early 1980s.

  7. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    It’s time to shut down Virginia’s public schools for good. And start over, like was done with Air Traffic Controller’s and their corrupt union in early 1980s.

  8. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    “…truckers, meat packers, food processors, supermarket employees and agricultural workers….” Don’t forget police, fire, emergency medical, delivery, communications, plumbing and electrical, doctors, nurses and hospital staff. And the uniformed military. Restaurant workers dealing with takeout. In recent weeks I’ve been back to the dentist and optometrist. The list is endless.

    But I ran by the county courthouse yesterday for some paperwork and all the doors are locked. The state capitol remains on lockdown (with other reasons in play, I’m sure.) Like teachers, they are not essential workers…..at least it is essential they avoid their citizens.

    The school year is lost. If true assessments of academic progress are made in May of 2021, the result will be 80% asked to repeat that grade. But our school boards won’t have the strength to stand up to that pressure, either. They will happily suspend all assessments, SOL or otherwise, and socially promote everybody in ’21, just as they have in ’20. I’ve said this before: we don’t really value education in this country, not most parents.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      And, we are crossing 140,000 dead in 6 months… more than half those killed in 4 years of WWII.

      Sounds like a plan to me…

      Not to harp on it, “But who will be the first teacher to die for a mistake?” Oh, wait, we know who. They already lost one in Arizona last week.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        “But who will be the first teacher to die for a mistake?” Oh, wait, we know who. They already lost one in Arizona last week.

        Nancy_Naive of course is your typical teacher, one who demeans the idea that police are at risk, why hiding himself.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          If only there were a covid gun…

    2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      An ever increasing segment of Virginia’s public schools and their public school administrators and teachers no longer teach in classrooms, they prey on children, exploiting them while ruining their futures.

      These public school teachers and administrators do this to enrich themselves, while they promote their masters leftists agendas, todays officials of the Virginia’s leftist government and its system of higher education.

      1. Matt Hurt Avatar
        Matt Hurt

        I beg to differ. You will not enrich yourself by going into public K-12 education. I work with teachers and administrators in over a third of the public school divisions in this state, and I have seen no evidence of this characterization. However, I don’t know exactly to which divisions/schools you are referring either.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Same here. “Enriching” is a joke. People don’t realize what kind of retirement income teachers receive – even ones from places like Fairfax and NoVa. When they retire they move to lower cost of living places so they have enough money to live on.

          I’ve seen pensions in the 20-30K range and lower… doing taxes and if it wasn’t for Medicare and Social Security – they’d be impoverished.

          I’d sure like to hear James weigh in on this idea.

        2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
          Reed Fawell 3rd

          Getting paid, and refusing to work is enriching oneself. You double down on enriching yourself, when your union is asking for ever more money, huge amounts of money for your schools, while you refuse to enter them and teach kids there, this is happening all over. If teachers disagree, teachers need to speak up for themselves. Now they hide behind their unions. Which is it? Do they control their union, or not? They act like they support the union, not vice versa. Thus they should expect to be painted with same brush as their often corrupt unions. Thus it’s is fair to ask them directly, why do you refuse to teach in your schools, and abandon your kids (often impoverished) instead, while you ask for ever more money via your unions

          1. Matt Hurt Avatar
            Matt Hurt

            All of the folks I know have been extremely busy busting their butts during this pandemic. They’ve been trying to figure out how to work with their kids, preparing materials to be sent home, trying to learn how to use technology for the purposes of distance learning, working to feed students, and etc. Now again, I don’t know to whom you are referring, but I can assure you it’s not the folks with whom I work.

            Might I suggest that you place the blame on the offending parties rather than an entire class of folks?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            re: ” Might I suggest that you place the blame on the offending parties rather than an entire class of folks?”

            the heck you say… public educators are a bunch of lily-livered corrupt leftists – you’ll never get your “official Bacon’s Rebellion name tag” if you don’t get your head straight!

    3. WayneS Avatar

      Which county, if you don’t mind saying?

  9. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    “…truckers, meat packers, food processors, supermarket employees and agricultural workers….” Don’t forget police, fire, emergency medical, delivery, communications, plumbing and electrical, doctors, nurses and hospital staff. And the uniformed military. Restaurant workers dealing with takeout. In recent weeks I’ve been back to the dentist and optometrist. The list is endless.

    But I ran by the county courthouse yesterday for some paperwork and all the doors are locked. The state capitol remains on lockdown (with other reasons in play, I’m sure.) Like teachers, they are not essential workers…..at least it is essential they avoid their citizens.

    The school year is lost. If true assessments of academic progress are made in May of 2021, the result will be 80% asked to repeat that grade. But our school boards won’t have the strength to stand up to that pressure, either. They will happily suspend all assessments, SOL or otherwise, and socially promote everybody in ’21, just as they have in ’20. I’ve said this before: we don’t really value education in this country, not most parents.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      And, we are crossing 140,000 dead in 6 months… more than half those killed in 4 years of WWII.

      Sounds like a plan to me…

      Not to harp on it, “But who will be the first teacher to die for a mistake?” Oh, wait, we know who. They already lost one in Arizona last week.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        “But who will be the first teacher to die for a mistake?” Oh, wait, we know who. They already lost one in Arizona last week.

        Nancy_Naive of course is your typical teacher, one who demeans the idea that police are at risk, why hiding himself.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          If only there were a covid gun…

    2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      An ever increasing segment of Virginia’s public schools and their public school administrators and teachers no longer teach in classrooms, they prey on children, exploiting them while ruining their futures.

      These public school teachers and administrators do this to enrich themselves, while they promote their masters leftists agendas, todays officials of the Virginia’s leftist government and its system of higher education.

      1. Matt Hurt Avatar
        Matt Hurt

        I beg to differ. You will not enrich yourself by going into public K-12 education. I work with teachers and administrators in over a third of the public school divisions in this state, and I have seen no evidence of this characterization. However, I don’t know exactly to which divisions/schools you are referring either.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Same here. “Enriching” is a joke. People don’t realize what kind of retirement income teachers receive – even ones from places like Fairfax and NoVa. When they retire they move to lower cost of living places so they have enough money to live on.

          I’ve seen pensions in the 20-30K range and lower… doing taxes and if it wasn’t for Medicare and Social Security – they’d be impoverished.

          I’d sure like to hear James weigh in on this idea.

        2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
          Reed Fawell 3rd

          Getting paid, and refusing to work is enriching oneself. You double down on enriching yourself, when your union is asking for ever more money, huge amounts of money for your schools, while you refuse to enter them and teach kids there, this is happening all over. If teachers disagree, teachers need to speak up for themselves. Now they hide behind their unions. Which is it? Do they control their union, or not? They act like they support the union, not vice versa. Thus they should expect to be painted with same brush as their often corrupt unions. Thus it’s is fair to ask them directly, why do you refuse to teach in your schools, and abandon your kids (often impoverished) instead, while you ask for ever more money via your unions

          1. Matt Hurt Avatar
            Matt Hurt

            All of the folks I know have been extremely busy busting their butts during this pandemic. They’ve been trying to figure out how to work with their kids, preparing materials to be sent home, trying to learn how to use technology for the purposes of distance learning, working to feed students, and etc. Now again, I don’t know to whom you are referring, but I can assure you it’s not the folks with whom I work.

            Might I suggest that you place the blame on the offending parties rather than an entire class of folks?

    3. WayneS Avatar

      Which county, if you don’t mind saying?

  10. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    You know………. when this is going on for most public school systems across the entire country including states that do not have teachers “unions” – it’s more than just a bunch of teachers in one locality.

    It’s either a conspiracy of union teachers or there are legitimate issues affecting public schools in general. Make your choice. Kerry did.

    And I would not be so sanquine about other lines of work. Meatpackers, first responders, and many others who continue to work also continue to get infected – to the point where some are closed down again.

    And one wonders if all those courthouses are “unionized” also, eh?

    Here’s an interesting article from that liberal rag – the New York Slime:

    In the Same Towns, Private Schools Are Reopening While Public Schools Are Not

    Private schools have always had more flexibility, and usually more money, but never has that disparity made a bigger difference than now.

    [excerpts]:

    In Honolulu, nearly all public schools are planning to allow students to return for just part of the week. But at Punahou, a private school for grades kindergarten through 12, school will open full time for everyone.

    The school has an epidemiologist on staff and is installing thermal scanners in the hallways to take people’s temperatures as they walk by. It has a new commons area and design lab as well as an 80-acre campus that students can use to spread out. There were already two teachers for 25 children, so it will be easy to cut classes in half to meet public health requirements for small, consistent groups.

    The same thing is happening in communities across the country: Public schools plan to open not at all or just a few days a week, while many neighboring private schools are opening full time.

    Public schools, which serve roughly 90 percent of American children, tend to have less money, larger class sizes and less flexibility to make changes to things like the curriculum, facilities or work force.

    “The virus is this huge stress test on our education system,” said Robert Pianta, dean of the school of education at the University of Virginia. “It has exposed a great deal of inequity, and we are going to see this only exacerbated in the coming months, not years. Certain kids in certain systems, depending on the resources, are going to get much closer to what looks like a typical high-quality education than others.”

    After the surge in cases, deaths are now rising too.
    “If we were a country interested in saving schools the same way we’ve saved airlines and banks, then this is a problem we could solve,” said Ms. Hoff Varner, who was the P.T.A. president at her children’s school last year.

    Some public districts have developed plans to open full time for most students. They include smaller, wealthier suburban districts as well as urban ones like those in Durham, N.C., and Charlottesville, Va.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/upshot/coronavirus-school-reopening-private-public-gap.html

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      As was pointed out during the debate this winter, just about all other states but Virginia have teacher unions. And we will have union contracts by next summer, too. But I know that the terror among some of the teachers is real. As I said, just write off the year and plan to move to the next grade in 12 months instead of next month.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Here’s one map of various types of teacher unions and collective bargaining and perhaps one might just look at the states without unions to see how most teachers feel – to see if there is any difference between union states and non-union states.

        Anyone who has a relative or a friend who is a teacher knows what happens in “normal” years come winter and the flu season. There is a LOT of “mucus” in the classrooms… it’s all over the place and multiple kids in the classroom can be sneezing and coughing.

        This is what teachers are thinking about. They know there is no way to prevent the airborne transfer of “stuff”.

        https://www.the74million.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Union-membership-map.jpg

        1. WayneS Avatar

          Larry,

          Can you provide a Key or Legend for your map?

          1. WayneS Avatar

            Larry,

            Thanks!

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            yep. sorry about that… you can trace it back if you follow the link to the image – then look at the core URL.

            like: this is the URL for the image the74million.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Union-membership-map.jpg ( I deleted the “www” so it would show as an active link).

            but the core URL is http://www.the74million.org (and this should show as an active link to the site where that image is).

            some of the images do not have labeling and other info – and sometimes I’ve been guilty of grabbing and posting because I made sure it was a good/valid image..

            the site is biased (but I thought the map factual):

            The 74 is a nonprofit news website focusing on education issues in the United States. Co-founded by former CNN host and education reform activist Campbell Brown, the organization’s name refers to the 74 million children in America under 18 years of age. Romy Drucker, who previously worked for the New York City Department of Education under Mayor Michael Bloomberg, is co-founder and CEO.[1][2][4][5][6]

  11. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Wait, what?

    So, lemme get this straight. Public schools may not open because the teachers are concerned that they might not be safe when they are in a room full of Covid carriers, but that private schools WILL open because their teachers have no such concerns.

    What kind of quality education do you expect to get from clearly stupid teachers? Is Chuck Woolery the principal?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      What if there is never a vaccine? And no vaccine is 100%, certainly not the one for other flu bugs. No in person school ever again? I know you don’t propose solutions, just peddle fear porn, Nancy, but what do you suggest in that case? Will you suddenly tell President Biden, hey, sure teachers are still terrified after all the smoke we blew, but now its time to open schools after all? (I know with President Trump the fear campaign continues…)

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Not suicide.
        We are NOT at the infection levels in this country to open a school. Public or private.

        1. MAdams Avatar

          News flash, you’ll never be able to control the infection rate of a highly transmittable virus that is RNA based like the common cold. Vaccines merely provide a hastening to herd immunity. All the current science indicates you can’t attain that with this virus, you’re immune system will just blunt the return infection through (T and B cells).

          It’s not going away, it wasn’t going away when we were locked down and it won’t be going away with a “vaccine”.

          1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
            Reed Fawell 3rd

            Pay very close attention to MAdam’s above comment posted again right here.

            “News flash, you’ll never be able to control the infection rate of a highly transmittable virus that is RNA based like the common cold. Vaccines merely provide a hastening to herd immunity. All the current science indicates you can’t attain that with this virus, you’re immune system will just blunt the return infection through (T and B cells).

            It’s not going away, it wasn’t going away when we were locked down and it won’t be going away with a “vaccine”.”

            MAdam’s is a rarity these days.

            Why?

            MAdams is honest, and knows what he is talking about, all at the very same time.

            Why are our experts so ignorant and/dishonest? Are they really that ignorant? Are they really all liars? Are they afraid to tell us the truth? Do they have hidden agendas? Why do they feed us all these great volumes of misinformation for so long?

            Somehow, this mystery reminds of a letter to editors in today’s Wall Street Journal. Do you see any connection between the two issues as regards the dynamics at play?

            ” Regarding Gerard Baker’s “Democracy Dies in Darkness, but Don’t Blame Trump” (Free Expression, July 14): Mr. Baker points out that after all of the left’s great lamentation over an authoritarian Trump regime, it is the left’s cancel culture that chills free speech and punishes dissenters.

            Consider how far progressives have advanced along Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” curve since 1971, especially his rule to: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Alinsky told his disciples to “go after people” because “people hurt faster than

            institutions.” Progressives now dominate most U.S. institutions, with the exception of the White House and Senate, as Mr. Baker notes.

            The real brilliance of the left’s 2020 implementation of Alinsky’s target is the cancelling of any opportunity for the right to counterpunch in a similar way. Who exactly speaks for and is the leader of Antifa? Who is the leader of and key spokesperson for the Black Lives Matter movement? The answer we are told in both cases is “the people.” A top-down structure is hidden and there is no top-down agenda other than achieving eye-of-the-beholder social

            justice. There is no way to personalize and demonize a leader, and it is easy for the groups to avoid accountability for violence that can follow peaceful demonstrations. Who speaks for the liberal press or liberal academia or liberal Hollywood, and what is their plan to achieve social justice? The darkness is enveloping us with no responsible individuals identified. Democrats control only half of one political branch and Joe Biden for the time being is a nonentity. The princes or princesses of darkness avoid being victims of Alinsky’s rules by remaining safely in the shadows.

            By CHRIS DAVIS
            Jacksonville, Fla.” End of Quote.

            I also suspect the same principle is at work when our public school teachers’ refuse to work, while using their Unions to demand more money for themselves at the expense of kids, parents, and taxpayers, at time when kids desperately need to be in school, for health of the kids, their parents, and all of us.

    2. sherlockj Avatar
      sherlockj

      Typically nuanced response, Nancy.

      From an editorial in the Virginian-Pilot this morning:

      “So even as everyone wants to see students return as scheduled, there needs to be a plan for doing so. One that ensures safety, protects everyone — students, teachers, administrators, staff and families — and inspires confidence.”

      So we need to make sure no child ever comes to school with a communicable illness. That point has never existed and never will.

      Schooling is expensive and a bother. Probably just as well we leave them closed, don’t you agree?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        How about Ebola?

        1. WayneS Avatar

          What about it?

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Alas, we know more about Ebola than we do about this virus. People accuse me of “doom and gloom”. Well, they’re right. 140,000 is a lot of doom; 240,000 by November. We’re following the number in action and the KIA.

            The gloom? Well, they’re right about that too. It’s brought out by the fact that, while the death rate is dropping, no one has even addressed the number of persons who are permanently effed up by this virus — the WIA — the people lucky(?) enough to be discharged with ground glass lungs and dim prospects of a full recovery.

            Sure, lots of reporting on the positives and the negatives and the asymptomatic but they’re learning about this disease from the autopsied. They are finding the virus in all organs, not just the lungs. They are also finding blood clots everywhere. Interestingly, they also discovered why there are so many false negatives on the tests. In ~30% of the dead, they are not finding the virus in the throats and nose. Instead, it’s in the brain, in the part that effects taste and smell.

            I’ll save my celebratory dancing for when, perhaps a year from now, we discover that the recovered aren’t just walking dead who are just waiting for renal failure, or some other degenerative condition.

        2. MAdams Avatar

          Hyperbole at it’s finest, you’re comparing hemorrhagic fever, which you cannot transmit unless you’re symptomatic to a virus to which you don’t know who and when they have it.

    3. PackerFan Avatar
      PackerFan

      Chuck Woolery is actually Virginia’s current Secretary of Education. Love how folks like to denigrate private schools, but then want to claim “inequity” in education due to the private schools having more money and how “if only public schools had more money”.

    4. djrippert Avatar
      djrippert

      Private schools have lower student / teacher ratios, larger campuses and more money for protective gear (like N95 masks).

      In Virginia, 35.8% of public school teachers are age 50 or over. While I don’t have comparable statistics for private schools in Virginia my personal observation is that private school teachers tend to be considerably younger.

      https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/sass/tables/sass1112_2013314_t1s_002.asp

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        yep. I’d concur but we know right now that young workers in restaurants and other congregate settings will get the virus.

        If a private school ends up with one or two teachers with the virus – chances are they don’t have a lot of “backup”.

        One of the things we are missing with both public and private schools are the value of para-educators… they could make a huge difference right now… ‘

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        So… the risk is lower? Got half you guys saying it’s safe and at the same time highly contagious. Which is it?

  12. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    There are some important lessons the Virginia Educators Association could learn from Boston Police Strike in 1919. This event crippled the ability of the police in Boston to collectively organize for the next 3 decades. It propelled unknown Governor Calvin Coolidge into the national spotlight and on to Warren Harding’s ticket. When Harding’s ticker gave out in San Francisco, the nation had Silent Cal as it’s new President. Cal’s punishment was to endure his wife’s passion for attending Washington Senators home games for the rest of the tern even though he hated baseball. Their was one reward: Washington Senators beat the NY Giants in an epic 1924 World Series.

    1. WayneS Avatar

      Calvin Coolidge is on my list of the 5 U.S. presidents.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        OOPS. Brain not work.

        “…top 5 U.S. presidents”

      2. djrippert Avatar
        djrippert

        “Nothing in the world will take the place of persistence. Talent will not. The world is full of unsuccessful people with talent. Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts. Genius will not. Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.”

        1. WayneS Avatar

          “To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race.”

          and,

          “They criticize me for harping on the obvious; if all the folks in the United States would do the few simple things they know they ought to do, most of our big problems would take care of themselves.”

          and, one of my favorites,

          “Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business.”

  13. PackerFan Avatar
    PackerFan

    Wow! “NEARLY ONE OF THREE” Virginia Beach Education Association members who responded to their survey had concerns about returning to school. NEARLY one out of three! So the other 70% apparently don’t want to cower in their homes and are ready to get back to work like police officers, firefighters, doctors and nurses, grocery store workers, food production workers, etc., etc. Since when does “nearly one out of three” overrule “more than two out of three”?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Well – I’d have to see the rest of the survey to see if the other 2/3 were actually totally in favor of returning. I suspect it’s more along the line of 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 .

      The other thing is any thinking that all teachers are the same and can teach any subject so that a 1/3 loss can be accommodated by just allocating the workforce differently.

      Finally, take a look at what the GOP is doing nationally:

      ” A new plan under development by the White House and Senate Republicans to deal with the fallout from the coronavirus pandemic is expected to include financial incentives to push schools to reopen while also shielding health care workers and companies against lawsuits, Republicans said Monday, a move that will spur a fight with Democrats.”

      The Dems are asking why more money should not be given to schools to reconfigure them to be more safe – have more mobile classrooms, more para-educators, etc… why not do that instead of forcing teachers to return under unsafe conditions – with their right to sue for unsafe conditions – taken away?

      What is needed is a national-level plan to address the concerns of teachers to provide funding for safer schools – not threats to teachers and schools.

      The simple truth is – we have a bunch of idiots running the country who act a lot like thugs… when leadership is required.

      To give a quick example. testing. every day if necessary but certainly frequently – guaranteed – not pushed off on the localities to fund and try to find providers…

      Explicit guidance as to what happens if teachers do end up infected. What happens if 2 or 3 teachers end up infected? Close the school back down or what?

      these are the kinds of questions that if there are no answers forthcoming that does not engender confidence on the teachers part.

      They want to know what the plan is if infection occurs and there are outbreaks. Teachers go home to their own families which include others older and with comorbidities.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        “The other thing is any thinking that all teachers are the same and can teach any subject…”

        Wait. Are you implying that teachers should have some expertise in the subjects they teach?

        We can’t require that. All a person really needs is a series of degrees in Education to qualify as a teacher…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I’m really amused at that mindset. That tells me they have almost zero knowledge of how K-12 education “works”.

          Yep – they’re just a bunch of widgets… Send that 11th grade teacher to first grade…. Get the Physed gal to 8th grade math…

          I think DJ might be into football… maybe he thinks any player can do any position? 😉

          I mentioned earlier para-educators – who do tend to be more flexibly and plug/play and who could actually help make re-opening schools work.

          You just need to hire a crap-load of them.

  14. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Another cure from the White House…
    https://tidewaterforum.blog/2020/07/17/white-house-announces-new-cov2-treatments/

    I watched Trump’s “Shining City on a Hill” speech… oh, no, that’s not right. It was the “Gleaming White Suburb in the Valley” speech. I couldn’t hear it all because the horizontal oscillator on the TV tube started making a really high-pitch squeal when the President started speaking.

  15. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Another cure from the White House…
    https://tidewaterforum.blog/2020/07/17/white-house-announces-new-cov2-treatments/

    I watched Trump’s “Shining City on a Hill” speech… oh, no, that’s not right. It was the “Gleaming White Suburb in the Valley” speech. I couldn’t hear it all because the horizontal oscillator on the TV tube started making a really high-pitch squeal when the President started speaking.

  16. It’s not just teachers, others also want to stay with working at home due to safety concerns, and maybe just some preference for that life style now.

  17. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    re: “refusing to work”.

    Well they’re not. Many are willing to do teach remotely – and many are willing to teach in-person if it is made safe.

    What they’re not willing to do is be coerced into working in unsafe conditions and yes they are banding together on that like healthcare workers have with shortages of PPE, and meat cutters, and Amazon workers.

    They’re not going to be coerced by others who don’t know and don’t care – and who only want one thing – no matter what.

    And the even more funny thing is that some of this is coming from folks who already vociferously oppose public education to start with. Just ZERO credibility.

  18. Many of my neighbors are teachers, living in homes worth $650,000. One is the sole provider. When they retire, their retirement benefit is the equivalent of having over $2,000,000 in an IRA. See http://fcta.org/Pubs/Reports/2015-09a-fac.html. I do not feel sorry for their economic plight.
    If people would sneeze and cough into their sleeves, mask, or handkerchief, we would not need social distancing. Might we teach them to be considerate?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Fred – a retired teacher in Spotsylvania after 34 years receives $35,000 a year.

      Teachers in other more rural counties in Virginia receive less than that.

  19. It’s not just teachers, others also want to stay with working at home due to safety concerns, and maybe just some preference for that life style now.

  20. Many of my neighbors are teachers, living in homes worth $650,000. One is the sole provider. When they retire, their retirement benefit is the equivalent of having over $2,000,000 in an IRA. See http://fcta.org/Pubs/Reports/2015-09a-fac.html. I do not feel sorry for their economic plight.
    If people would sneeze and cough into their sleeves, mask, or handkerchief, we would not need social distancing. Might we teach them to be considerate?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Fred – a retired teacher in Spotsylvania after 34 years receives $35,000 a year.

      Teachers in other more rural counties in Virginia receive less than that.

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