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by Steve Haner

The political wannabes in both parties and the state’s media are continuing to ignore it, but the argument over the proposed motor fuel carbon tax called the Transportation and Climate Initiative rages in comments on the proposal flowing into its advocates.

The Thomas Jefferson Institute has also launched a short video (above), perhaps just the first, to alert the public through more populist means. It features owners of two regional fuel businesses, well known as major local employers and taxpayers. Without doubt, Virginia’s membership in TCI would shrink and perhaps severely damage those businesses.

The video was actually ready to use had the 2021 General Assembly taken up the issue, but Governor Ralph Northam did not ask for legislative permission to join the interstate compact involved. The state remains involved in the planning for the cap and tax and ration scheme, now set for 2023 in the states who agree to the compact.

If put in place, all fuel Virginia wholesalers would need to buy government-issued allowances to sell gasoline or diesel, in effect a carbon tax. The amount of allowances will be frozen to prevent the any growth in fuel sales, and then decline annually to force down consumption, in effect rationing. 

Perhaps the call for public comments published here on Bacon’s Rebellion added to the flood. You can review the more recent responses to the detailed model rule here, and there are hundreds from associations, businesses, and many individuals. There is as much focus on the financial benefits the new fuel tax revenues may provide to low-income Virginians as there is on the claimed health and environmental benefits.

A typical comment, repeated verbatim so often it was clearly a campaign, focuses on the money:

I call for the TCI-P Model Rule to include (1) a minimum investment amount to ensure overburdened and underserved communities in Virginia receive a greater-then-proportional share of investments from the program, (2) integration of air quality commitments across Virginia, and (3) robust empowerment of Virginia’s Equity Advisory Body.

The Sierra Club came out in opposition to TCI as envisioned in the model rule:

We feel the CO2 emissions reduction target of 26% by 2032 is too weak and falls far behind President Biden’s goal to cut the greenhouse gas emissions economy wide 50% by 2030. We appreciate that this is the strongest option that was modeled for. However, since the start of the TCI process, the landscape has changed. We believe the target should be in line with what current science by the IPCC recommends — a 45% reduction by 2030. That higher target reduction would be sufficient to ensure participating states reach their own adopted targets.

No question that a higher target would require higher allowance prices (carbon taxes) and tighter supply caps, also forcing up prices. And then Sierra Club subsumes the mission of reducing carbon dioxide emissions into labor union activism and income transfer.

The Draft Model Rule should contain assurances that investments create economic benefit for local communities in the creation and implementation of the program. There should be set requirements for Project Labor Agreements, prevailing wage requirements and benefits, an explicit neutrality policy on all collective bargaining issues, no mandatory arbitration, and a “ban the box” hiring policy to ensure people with criminal records can access employment opportunities.

The proposal is aimed at fossil fuels used in transportation, not directly at their use in manufacturing. But manufacturers are dependent on transportation, and it doesn’t take a crystal ball to predict all fossil fuels used for any purpose are likely to be targeted next. So the Virginia Manufacturers Association posted a strong dissent.

VMA noted that many of the other Northeastern states considering this are already high-cost energy states for manufacturers, but Virginia has not been, and imposing this will move Virginia into a less competitive position. It notes that transportation emissions are going down with or without TCI, and Virginia’s emissions are already lower than many of the other TCI states.

The Virginia League of Conservation Voters looks at the same proposal and says yea, but again requests that more of the billions of consumer dollars to be extracted at fuel pumps be targeted into specific favored neighborhoods:

The TCI-P also presents the opportunity to direct investments in a cleaner transportation system in the communities that have suffered the most from vehicle pollution. While the model rule calls for at least 35 percent of TCI proceeds to go toward frontline, impacted communities, here in Virginia I would hope we go above and beyond that benchmark to at least 50% of TCI revenue in programs and infrastructure that will lower this disproportionate pollution burden.

Quite a few comments show that to many in the public this is mainly a fuel tax increase, with all the political and economic baggage that creates. One major tax not being raised in President Joe Biden’s proposed infrastructure package is the most logical one, the federal gasoline tax. He didn’t touch that third rail.


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30 responses to “TCI Debate Rages in Comments on Proposed Rule”

  1. Wow, TJI is upping its game when it can publish polished videos like this one. Congrats.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      That was a good video.

  2. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    The game is simple …. 1) enact low visibility regressive taxes, 2) declare that the wealth gap is getting wider (in substantial part due to these regressive taxes), 3) demand more income redistribution to make up for the widening wealth gap

    I measure the continuum of socialism as the percentage of GDP (local, state or national) spent by the government (local, state or national).

    This type of behavior increases socialism and further makes poor and working class people wards of the state. The perfect liberal exacta.

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Is that Lew Parker’s son in the video?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Nephew, I think. Same firm.

  4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Conservatives don’t like regulations aimed at cutting auto emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases. On this blog, they don’t seem to like the push to replace fossil fuels with wind and solar power.

    So, on a bipartisan basis, economists have said that a carbon tax is the best way to limit carbon emissions. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/17/this-is-not-controversial-bipartisan-group-economists-calls-carbon-tax/

    Virginia is considering using this market-based approach. But, conservatives don’t like that, either. So, why not just admit that you do not support any attempts to reduce carbon emissions?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      It would be easier to tell us what Conservatives do like… certainly not breathing.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        If they didn’t like breathing they’d have accepted the masks….If you did like breathing you wouldn’t have forced them on us. The parallel between the two “crises” is quite strong, except gee we largely fixed one of them after all….

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Yeah, you’re right and they wouldn’t have lined up for the vaccine… oh wait, they didn’t.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      I do not support attempts to force reductions. Without TCI people will continue to move to more efficient cars, and some will go EV, and that is just peachy with me. The move from coal to natural gas has my strong support, but coal has far more environmental problems than CO2. I’ve always thought solar made sense in the areas with the strongest sunshine. But this rush to save us from a non-existent existential threat needs to be resisted.

      Imposing a tax and then a cap and then shrinking that cap by government fiat is not a “market.”

  5. Wahoo'74 Avatar
    Wahoo’74

    Well, if state impose rationing and declining carbon fuel caps aren’t socialism, I don’t know what is.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well let me explain. Socialism is when the government owns the methods of production. Socialism is not Medicare, Medicaid, CRT, etc.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Oh no. If you are a Conservative, it’s ALL ABOUT socialism… for sure!

        If you can’t get all the drugs you want – it’s rationing and socialism!

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    One of the funniest LTE in the Daily Mess was written by a fella in York County who discovered the gasoline in Gloucester was routinely 10 cents per gallon cheaper even with the refinery located in York. Later letters explained how the “transport of gasoline” isn’t necessarily from the closest refinery, yada, yada, yada.

    Nevertheless, the humor was the idea of driving to Gloucester from Yorktown for gas… the Coleman is a $2 toll.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      yup, but the instincts are so strong, they can’t control them.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    so – some simple questions. If the price of something increases – no matter the underlying reason – whether it’s govt or a commodity shortage or perhaps OPEC….

    1. – is it “rationing” ?
    2. – what do people do when something gets more expensive
    3. – when something gets more expensive – does it result is more efficiencies and lower consumption?

    If the Colonial Pipeline causes shortages – and the price goes up , is that “rationing”?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Rationing results from a government decision to limit supply. I guess if the Russian government shut it down….but normal supply and demand push and pull is not rationing. I know why you hate the word because all by itself it kills this proposal. Sure has so far….

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        rationing is when the govt actually limits what you can buy no matter the price. When supply/demand results in increased prices, that’s not rationing even when govt plays a role in the increased prices.

        No, what I hate is disingenuous partisan misinformation… which you guys seem to take pride in…

        get it right. be truthful. be honest. not a bad thing. More and more Conservatives seem to revel in dishonest narratives…

        Different forces, both private and govt , cause disruptions in supply/demand – but not that long ago, even Conservatives liked cap and trade for NOx and Acid rain – then they changed…

        so now, if we went back… Conservatives would call cap/trade as “rationing” … and heck – the requirement for cleaner engines and seat belts as “rationing”…

        Are taxes on cigarettes and alcohol – “rationing” ?

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Speaking of gasoline… I may have just now found my drink! Ginger and bourbon! In the search for a good ginger beer in 7 oz cans, I found some stuff in a pint bottle called “Ginger Mule” from Cocktail Crate. A shot in club soda makes ginger beer.

    But, just a shot with a shot of Maker’s is damned good.

  9. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    re: ” Without doubt, Virginia’s membership in TCI would shrink and perhaps severely damage those businesses.”

    ANY changes in the demand for fuels would potentially change, even “damage” those businesses.

    Consumers switching to more fuel efficient vehicles or EVs would “damage” those businesses.

    If OPEC restricted how much oil they would sell, THAT would “damage” their businesses.

    When Virginia raised the gas tax in years past, that would also, in the eyes of Conservatives , “damage” businesses…

    There are a LOT of factors that influence supply and demand but in the eyes of Conservatives, anything the government does is illegitimate and wrong and amounts to “rationing”.

    Ergo – trying to reduce pollution by regulation “damages” businesses and is wrong.

    By that logic, everytime DEQ or the EPA sets regulations for wastewater , it is “damaging” businesses… The Potomac and James would be better off being cesspools of sewage than to “damage” businesses…

    give me a break. We’d be a 3rd world country if we listened to Conservatives on more than a few issues.

  10. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    So, how many Virginia gas stations are located within 10 miles of the North Carolina border, and vice versa?

    How many people live within that swath?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Since we produced that, actually, the NC Governor has made noises about joining, but his legislature might not be so accommodating as Northam’s. But WVA, Tennessee and KY also border Virginia and have no such plans at all.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Okay, same 10 mile question for them. If I take my usual Virginia pick-em-up truck, drive past a gas station to one 10 miles the other side of the border, I’m taking an hour trip that uses at least 1 gallon of gas just to buy gas. You see where this is going. Those gas stations in the other states will increase their prices, profits donchaya know, and …

      2. LesGabriel Avatar
        LesGabriel

        Barring a special session. Come January 2022, we very well could have a Republican House of Delegates and Governor.

  11. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Drivers of hybrids (me) and other high MPG gasoline vehicles in Virginia could have to pay increasingly large extra registration fees every year. Meanwhile, electric vehicles are proposed to get absolutely enormous subsidies. mandates, tax credits and tax forgiveness.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Well the EVs will also be subject to the larger registration fees,no?

      And that’s to pay for roads.

      The credits are a separate issue not that different than credits you can get for energy efficient HVACs, solar, wind etc.

      The basic idea with the credits is that over the long run, they save energy but the up-front costs discourage purchase.

      They promote a national goal or policy, not that different in some respects to allowing people to deduct their mortgage expenses for buying a house or not taxing retirement savings until you start drawing it.

      tax breaks for homeownership exceeds total spending by the US Department of Housing and Urban Development.

      Or taxing Capital Gains at a lower rate than wages.
      or not taxing money spent on employer-provided health insurance.

      One could argue that none of these should be incentivized by tax policies and people DO, for the ones they are not benefiting from!

      All of these are called tax expenditures and the ones for EVs and solar etc cost about 1.5 billion total in taxes.

      Compared to other tax expenditures , it’s pretty small:

      https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/styles/original_optimized/public/book_images/2.7.4_tab1.png?itok=KF__f_XQ

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        No. They get tax breaks and huge tens of thousand$ subsidies.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          They do, but compared to other tax expenditures, they are tiny.

          The tax code is chock full of far larger subsidies for employer-provided health care and 401K pensions, capital gains, etc.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      I just paid that new “fuel efficiency tax” (highway users fund) on my creaky 2011 Camry! Added about six bucks to my annual registration! Can’t wait to see what it adds to the 2017 model….

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