Student Misbehavior Is Schools’ Biggest Challenge, JLARC Says

Source: Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC), “Pandemic Impact on Public K-12 Education.” Click for more legible image.

by James A. Bacon

In what will come as no surprise to Bacon’s Rebellion readers (other than the reality-denying ankle biters frequenting our comments section), Virginia public school staff cite poor student behavior as their most serious challenge, found a study of the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC).

More than 56% of respondents to a JLARC survey said student behavior was a “very serious” problem, and another 24% said it was a “serious” problem. It exceeded other issues such as teacher compensation, student academic progress, lack of respect from parents, and concerns about mental health.

What’s more, concluded JLARC, student behavior appears to be worse than before the pandemic: “85 percent of school staff believed the number of student behavioral issues had either greatly or somewhat increased.” Teachers and other school staff shared the sentiment.

In explaining the collapse of discipline, the study said:

Principals and teachers cited months spent out of the physical classroom as the main reason for the increase in student behavior problems. A principal explained: “Part of it is because students missed out on two years of [behavior] training provided by faculty.” Many students had insufficient adult guidance and support at home during remote learning, further contributing to declines in student behavior. A high school teacher shared: “The students came back from a place where they were left to do what they wanted when they wanted.”

Behavioral issues were tied to two other phenomena studied by JLARC: a doubling in the rate of chronic absenteeism and increasing anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation and other forms of mental illness.

Misbehaving students are more likely to struggle academically but they also distract other students. States the report: “Extreme cases of poor behavior can even make other students feel less welcome or safe in their school environment, which negatively contributes to their ability to be engaged and learn.”

There is a widespread expectation that behavioral issues will recede somewhat as students acclimate themselves to school schedules and educators reassert control over the school environment, JLARC said.

In Virginia’s locally administered K-12 system, the state has “relatively limited influence” over student behavior in classrooms, JLARC said. The job of maintaining discipline falls to local schools boards, school leadership, teachers and parents. A common response among school districts is to hire more “behavioral staff.” 

JLARC cited the state’s Virginia Tiered System of Supports (VTSS) guidelines as a possible solution to behavioral issues. VTSS provides “support, technical assistance, and coaching for school staff to help divisions reduce disruptive classroom behavior.” VTSS has trained staff from 664 schools in 65 divisions, but there is considerable unmet demand. One state-level option would be to increase funding for the training.

Bacon’s bottom line: The JLARC study makes a useful contribution to the public discourse by documenting the extent of the breakdown in student behavior. But I’m dubious about its policy recommendations. The report says nothing about cell phones, which a massive body of anecdotal evidence suggests contribute to a wide range of behavioral problems from classroom distraction to bullying and fights. And the VTSS solution, of course, requires spending more money to train teachers and staff in the latest fashion in “progressive” thinking.

Here’s another idea. It’s tried and tested, and I’ll bet some school districts still use it: set clear lines of what constitutes acceptable behavior, and then enforce them. Even if it means dishing out more punishments and sanctions.

Every parent knows: adolescents push the boundaries of acceptable behavior. If parents don’t draw a clear line, adolescents keep pushing. Parents who engage in ceaseless negotiations over the line eventually find that the line dissolves and the crises never end. Basically, the VTSS methodology institutionalizes the approach of endless negotiation.

There are no easy answers of course. To a significant degree, student misbehavior is rooted in the permissiveness of American parental culture, the social breakdown of lower-income households, and the insidious effects of social media. Schools can’t fix those broader social ills. But they can set standards of behavior, enforce them, and thereby create islands of order in a society where all norms appear to be breaking down.


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102 responses to “Student Misbehavior Is Schools’ Biggest Challenge, JLARC Says”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    Well JLARC had about 9 recommendations and additional Policy Options but none of them were what JAB is recommending and it would be a good journalistically for JAB to include them here as context:

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    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      This is a process that you have developed into a science.

      The steps are as follows:

      – An author describes a problem, as did Jim here, exposed in a report you have never seen. His article is 700 words in length.
      – He provides readers a link to the entire report, which is over a hundred pages long, thus encouraging those interested to read it.
      – You then skim it, find something not quoted, and accuse the author of a coverup.

      That, my friend, is the definition of an ankle-biter.

      Congratulations, you have retired that trophy by your long-time, undistinguished and utterly annoying service.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Nope. I did READ the blog post and I then I went to the link and the recommendations which I knew JLARC would give and lo and behold none of them were added to the post to give some context and to contrast with his “solutions”.

        He never mentioned THEIR recommendations and no discussion on the merits of THEIR recommendations!

        You do the same thing at times.

        You cherry-pick so that your post is not all the truth – but just the part you want readers to see to buttress your own ‘spin’. It’s not an honest discussion on the merits IMO.

        You and JAB .. DO give the links to your credit but it is up to the readers to actually go and get the stuff you left out… to try to get more balance and context and an honest discussion on the merits instead of the usual right-wing spin and blather.

        And when you actually get called on it – it’s “ankle-biting”.

        Ya’ll can’t seem to have discussions on the merits.

        A lot of the tomes need to be taken with a grain of salt and a jaundiced eye as evidenced by the level of comments you do get – on point!

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          James is pissed that you read the cited article for yourself and don’t just take what is you are spoon fed by the BR “journalists”….

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Sherlock puts JAB to shame on just the number of words and referenced links but it’s often the same technique – and it looks to me like Sherlock tries to overwhelm with verbiage and discourage anyone from really digging into what he is actually saying.

            In both cases… one has to follow their words and their quotes/links to get to the “money” /essence of their beliefs.

            Almost trolling at times.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar

    Well JLARC had about 9 recommendations and additional Policy Options but none of them were what JAB is recommending and it would be a good journalistically for JAB to include them here as context:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e724b8fb90c6324442cc6e857785a0684764d567767fad4b378dc3eaca7da05.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/85baeecf9b1dc3f55a133c161e4ec05d7b95b25faeb2eb20f72e0682caecaf57.jpg

  3. Hiring more behavioral experts to address disorder in the classroom? Is that like defunding the police to hire social workers to address crime on the streets?

    1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
      Kathleen Smith

      Or hiring more classroom aides-/- I think hiring mentors might be a better solution for secondary students. But where would one find them?

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        “Where would one find them?”

        You have it pinned down, Katherine.

        The left offers solutions that sound good to them, align with their “values”, are unproven at best, require a lot of spending, endlessly disrupt schools and, in the end, cannot be fully staffed. Which then calls for more spending.

        I suspect, like good elves, they whistle while they work.

        1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
          Kathleen Smith

          Which brings me to another problem with the recommendation for VDOE to provide a template to school divisions for a virtual platform. No mention of a set is standards that K-Strides had to meet. There are national standards out there that school systems didn’t bother to look at during the pandemic.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Yep. There needs to be standards, transparency of performance, and accountability if it does not “deliver”.

            If Youngkin/Virginia are not directly involved in this and it’s merely an “idea” that Youngkin has… I can’t call that a “plan”.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Well, that’s pretty much what JLARC recommended….. so we really only want the part of the JLARC study that documents the problem? 😉

  4. Of course, the easiest solution would be to make high school voluntary instead of mandatory so that those who do not want to learn can go somewhere else. Also, what punishments are going to make students want to learn more? Suspensions, explusions, what?
    Saying that the figurative beatings will continue until moral improves is not a true policy.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Sorta goes to the heart of why developed country have mandatory school attendance.

      Are we committing to pay entitlements to these folks for the rest of their lives even if they can’t get a job that pays sufficiently for them to not need entitlements?

      1. 1954 was the first year in U.S. history that more than 50% of 19 y/o’s had a high school diploma. For most of American history, the solution to disruptive students was just to show them the door.

    2. They already do go elsewhere, into low level drug dealing and crime that affects all of us. You misunderstand, punishments are to stop disruptive behavior, not to inspire learning. Once control is established teachers have the opportunity help kids both learn and to take joy in learning. Without control of behavior everyone is screwed.

    3. LarrytheG Avatar

      But K-12 educational attainment was a multi-generational success, right?

      it did not suddenly get “good” or suddenly go “bad”…

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c40b9857472c0f52a00a5a994e35c4261c88d0c7edcd348980a780c7bd50c24.jpg

    4. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Perhaps eliminating mandatory child labor laws would assist also. Some cost savings in eliminating mandatory vaccines for children as well.

      1. Several of the red states have already ended any enforcement of vaccination laws, so goal achieved in places like Florida or Missouri.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          What’s taking so long with eliminating child labor laws? Big obstacle to libertarian doctrine. Put ’em on the factory floor earning a below par wages, preventing illegal immigrants from taking “American” jobs and filling hospitals beds. What could go wrong.

    5. They already do go elsewhere, into low level drug dealing and crime that affects all of us. You misunderstand, punishments are to stop disruptive behavior, not to inspire learning. Once control is established teachers have the opportunity help kids both learn and to take joy in learning. Without control of behavior everyone is screwed.

      1. OK, what punishments will effectively discourage disruptive behavior without turning the student into a drop out?

        1. Good, you’re taking a step up.

          The first imperative is to stop disruptive behaviors. Only once that is done can we worry about attendance and learning.

          Behavior modification has a role. After establishing physical control, often through in school punishments like detention, there is the opportunity to change behavior. It ain’t simple or easy, and schools require, to use a common analogy, both cops and social workers.

          For the good of the kids involved and our society as a whole we need to institutionalize behavior shaping. That begins with basic socialization that ideally would have taken place at home before starting school. It must then progress to teaching all kids to read. That gives them the opportunity to lead productive lives.

          Youngkin’s initiative to bring all kids up to grade level reading by the 3rd grade is absolutely the right place to start. If we can achieve control and teaching all to read we will have done a profound service to all of Virginia’s kids and to all the rest of us too.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            I’m for “behavior shaping” over CRT and Marxism any time.

          2. Well that’s a change. Are you having a lucid moment or just an inept Jim McCarthy silly walk?

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    Basically JLARC documents the problem. It’s real. I’m not sure if it is a Virginia-only thing. But JLARC sees it as something the schools need to address in their training and services as opposed to just booting kids that misbehave that conservatives favor.

    I guess that makes JLARC “woke” also, eh?

    1. I had to laugh, LG, at JB’s introductory lead-in to this post, “In what will come as no surprise to Bacon’s Rebellion readers (other than the reality-denying ankle biters frequenting our comments section) . . . .” Gee, I wonder which “ankle-biters” he had in mind. D H-S maybe? Nipping at the heels of those who cite official recognition of disciplinary problems with approval — but not their recommendations or policy options — seems like a worthy goal, even for BR readers.

      1. Dick is not one of the ankle-biters. He doesn’t deal in snark, distraction, denial and name calling. I always take his comments seriously…. even when he disagrees with me!

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        well, the ankle-biters are the ones that point out the cherry picking use of PART of govt studies to then ignore the recommendations and add the “conservative” solutions!

        It’s Pro Forma here on BR these days. They use govt data to show the problem – then impugn the same govt that provided the data for not doing what Conservatives think should be done…

        And of course, to then also accuse the govt – like in this case – JLARC of being “woke” for recommending “failed liberal solutions”.

        😉

        Oh, and yes, Dick points it out also sometimes then he gets “counseled” by JAB and SHerlock for talking like an ankle-biter! 😉

      3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        See my response to Larry in his first comment above for the definition of an ankle biter.

      4. Dick is not one of the ankle-biters. He doesn’t deal in snark, distraction, denial and name calling. I always take his comments seriously…. even when he disagrees with me!

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          “He doesn’t deal in snark, distraction, denial and name calling.”

          You mean names like “ankle-biter”…??

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Correct but JAB and Sherlock have to then spend time counseling him when he agrees with the ankle-biters, warning him that he has those tendencies.

      5. LarrytheG Avatar

        well, the ankle-biters are the ones that point out the cherry picking use of PART of govt studies to then ignore the recommendations and add the “conservative” solutions!

        It’s Pro Forma here on BR these days. They use govt data to show the problem – then impugn the same govt that provided the data for not doing what Conservatives think should be done…

        And of course, to then also accuse the govt – like in this case – JLARC of being “woke” for recommending “failed liberal solutions”.

        😉

        Oh, and yes, Dick points it out also sometimes then he gets “counseled” by JAB and SHerlock for talking like an ankle-biter! 😉

        1. democracy Avatar

          Mr. Big Jimmy doesn’t like it very much when “ankle-biters” (that’s snark, isn’t it?) call out his errors and hypocrisy.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            well… certainly “trolling”…. 😉

      6. LarrytheG Avatar

        well, the ankle-biters are the ones that point out the cherry picking use of PART of govt studies to then ignore the recommendations and add the “conservative” solutions!

        It’s Pro Forma here on BR these days. They use govt data to show the problem – then impugn the same govt that provided the data for not doing what Conservatives think should be done…

        And of course, to then also accuse the govt – like in this case – JLARC of being “woke” for recommending “failed liberal solutions”.

        😉

        Oh, and yes, Dick points it out also sometimes then he gets “counseled” by JAB and SHerlock for talking like an ankle-biter! 😉

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “A principal explained: “Part of it is because students missed out on two years of [behavior] training provided by faculty.”

      Wow! That surely carries the weight of a scientific study. Wonder if there was a control group?

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      More Ritalin! More Adderall! They’re hysterical conditions, ya know. Teachers are the primary source of the diagnosis too.

      There is also no guarantee of the validity of JLARC’s data, results, or conclusions.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        A ritalin salt lick for every classroom!

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        “No guarantee of validity in JLARC’s data.” Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

        If there are no problems, no solution is needed.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Sources of validation, please.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Another wasted school year is one third over. By the time the wheels on the bus go round and round to get corrective measures in place it will be May.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yes. I would have expected Youngkin to do more than he did. And I expected there to be talk of continuing on through summer after a short break.

      Emergency funding to do that, etc.

      To this point, I see no plan at the State level.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Youngthing was out of town.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Was all of VDOE with him? 😉

      2. Youngkin is smart enough to know that education policy is where the careers of ambitious politicians go to die. Education is an unsolvable problem that most politicians are smart enough to ignore. Does anyone think that someone who sent his own kids to elite,expensive private prep schools in DC cares about public education?

        1. It does mean he recognized the problem and resolved the issue for his own kids when he had no public authority. There is nothing in those actions that implies that Youngkin does not care about public education.

          1. There is a choice that all politicians have to make: failed lots of students who can never function at the 12th grade level or lower standards to ensure that a higher percentage of students finish and families are happy. The push for school choice is just a way to push the failure/lower standards onto a third party so that the politicians can avoid blame. No matter what policy any politicians chooses, it does not increase the number of students who can master calculus or lower the number of students who are sociopaths. Bill Clinton has been a governor for over ten years and knew that educational policy reform is a fool’s errand and that is why he never cared very much. GW Bush let others do the heavy lifting when he was governor and was stupid enough to believe that all students could be above average.

          2. WTF?

          3. What is so hard about understanding that every student cannot learn calculus or algebra or physics or Latin no matter how much one punishes the students or how strict the discipline?

          4. Only one of the subjects you mentioned is required in order to graduate high school in Virginia.

            A student can earn a diploma without even knowing what physics, Latin and calculus are.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Just needs a Hotline.

        3. LarrytheG Avatar

          well, not “unsolvable” at all in the 20-some other countries that do it better than us.

          How is public education such a tremendous success – almost worldwide except here where we were among the first to institute it?

          1. Other countries use harsh tracking and then only test the top tracks on the international tests. Look up the book The Smartest Kids in the World: And How They Got That Way by Amanda Ripley. There is no way to reproduce what is occuring in South Korea or Finland.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            I read that book and I don’t think that’s what it says at all.

            And we’re not talking about just SK or Finland, we’re talking about 25 other countries including Canada next door.

            We need to be HONEST about this issue IMO. I do not think that “harsh tracking” is representative of most other countries at all..

            And if TRUE, then why don’t critics of the American public education system point that out and even advocate for it if it results in MORE kids getting higher achievement – better than the US?

            Usually tracking does not achieve higher scores for all kids at all.

          3. There is no way to reproduce the South Korea system of cram schools and college exams in the U.S. Nor is there anyway to reproduce pushing all of the Gifted=talented, college prep off onto parents like is done in Finland. And how else should one describe what Japan, or Germany or France does except for Harsh tracking. In Japan, one’s college attendance is settled by what high school will admit you.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Well again, It’s not one or two countries, it’s about 20 or more than do better than us in math, science and language.

            And this is aggregate scores for all kids in schools and usually tracking ends up with winners and losers.

            Tracking usually results in lower scores for the kids in the low tracks, no?

            Germany does have separate tracks for college and technical school but the technical tracks are tough also in math, science and language.

            None of those countries would beat us if they had high and low tracks… at least like the low tracking I’ve seen in this country.

            ALL of their kids in 25 or so countries do better than ALL of our kids, not just Finland, Germany, SK but 20 other countries including Canada.

          5. International tests such as Pisa are not given to all kids in most countries. China, Singapore, and South Korea are famous for cheery picking in addition, if one just compared the scores of white students in the U.S. to the European test scores, they are comparable. The idea that the U.S. can have schools where blacks and Latinos can have similar scores to white kids in Europe is delusional.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            Neither PISA no NAEP are given to all kids.

            So you don’t really think they are legitimate in testing and comparing?

            Isn’t that one of the premises in that book – those comparisons?

            Without those comparisons, what would that book be about?

          7. Those tests are samples and should be viewed as samples that are trying to represent a larger population.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            so not legitimate for comparisons?

            I’m just trying to understand your position, viewpoint.

            we should not compare to other counties?

          9. It depends on the population being sampled. Countries have a way of manipulating the data much like states manipulate their own testing.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            so…not really legitimate for comparisons because the data can be manipulated?

            do we trust it or not?

            If we don’t then we look at the US only?

          11. LarrytheG Avatar

            Let me explain MY premise and I’ll just thank you for the discussion and move on.

            My thinking is that the primary purpose of mandatory public education was to produced a viable workforce that would increase productivity. It was in the best interest of the country and it’s people.

            And going away from that is a change in thinking.

            And I just wanted to understand why.

            thanks for the civil discussion.

        4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          In answer to your question: Yes.

          1. Teddy007 Avatar

            Youngkin only cares about public education enough to keep his social conservative supporters happy. Other than that, he could not care less. That is why he supports doing things in public schools that would never be done at his own children’s private schools.

      3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Here you go. Start on page 14. https://doe.virginia.gov/statistics_reports/our-commitment-to-virginians.pdf

        In the short term, he has asked school divisions to spend Covid-related federal money for math and reading tutors, which is one of the things it was intended for.

        Now you have seen a plan.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          how much money ? enough for all kids?

          where will you find that many tutors?

          that’s a “plan”?

          not really.

          1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
            Kathleen Smith

            Larry, 33.3 billion dollars!

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            in Virginia? Are you advocating using Fed money for online instruction?

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Yep. Is there enough money to tutor ALL the kids that ARE behind?

            And this is NOT “in-person”. This is what many Conservatives called a failure because no way “online” can be better than “in person”!

            Don’t you reads Kerry on these pages?

            and it says they are state certified…. interesting… certified to teach in Virginia? They’re located in Virginia or another state but have a Virginia license?

            At the end of the day, I’d have no problem with this at all as long as there was a similar level of transparency and accountability for the performance. In other words, the tutoring IS proven effective.

            But back to Youngkin. If he is serious – he needs to advocate for the State to fund this – enough for ALL kids that need it and to make it a legal option through VDOE.

            You see, I buy into it if done for real and “right”, but I point out again that many Conservatives raised hell over remote and still are, right here in BR….

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “And this is NOT “in-person”. This is what many Conservatives called a failure because no way “online” can be better than “in person”!”

            If we just make all online schools for profit schools, that will fix the problem, I’m sure…

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            That’s Sherlocks message but he has to make it sound more complex so he’s not accused of being a “denier” of in-person.

            All this time JAB, Kerry and others COULD have been making the case that the pandemic WAS REAL and that the “failure” was in not doing remote/online “right” like Sherlock is claiming with Stride.

            Sherlock also does not care for the VDOE option Virtual Virginia – not because it’s not good but because it’s govt and not private sector.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          Can’t they already do this without Va?

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      May of what decade?

  7. Deckplates Avatar

    Students have been getting into trouble at America’s school since there was only a shack, as a schoolhouse, and a schoolmarm as the only teacher and only authority to control the classroom. Now we have unruly students, and even criminals in the classrooms.

    What do the parents have to say about the problem, and their part in effecting solution(s)?

    Who is held accountable for the students’ actions in the class and while on campus? Is it the Teacher, the school’s social worker(s), the principal, or the parent(s), and perhaps even the student?

    Who is held Accountable to control the class and the school campus. Who has the Responsibility to ensure the health and welfare of students – while in school? Who has the Authority to manage the classroom & school campus, implement policies and manage the outcomes for safety and good order in the classroom?

    I do not see that throwing more money at this problem should even be a consideration; and could be solved by involving the parents, the teachers, and the school administration, e.g., the principal. And yes, of course, the school board. Standards of conduct and who enforces them, should be easy to define.

    As for cell phones in the classroom, they are dangerous. Next will be holo-glasses, and then, what? Implants? I remember having not even one chance to open a comic book, or else immediate confiscation, and a punishment and / or a note home. Cell phones and other “weapons,” have no place in a teaching environment. Come on, these are kids, not matured adults. “Check em at the door.”

    1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
      Kathleen Smith

      Enforcement is the problem.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Okay – but how? what are we not doing that we should? More to the point – WHO ?

  8. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    Behavior is tied to three problems- they forgot the teacher shortage.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      No, they covered that.

    2. Kathleen Smith Avatar
      Kathleen Smith

      No, Mr McCarthy stated it was tied to two problems, it is really three.

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Well, I stand corrected. Nice data gathering, interviewing, etc.

    Especially good are the changes and recommendations for policy changes. A lot of “one time” expenditures. Methinks one-time ain’t gonna cut it.

  10. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    It’s not like JLARC doesn’t have a vested interest in the subject of their report.

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Here’s another idea. It’s tried and tested, and I’ll bet some school districts still use it: set clear lines of what constitutes acceptable behavior, and then enforce them. Even if it means dishing out more punishments and sanctions.”

    And get sued. What was the name of that VB Academy you always cited getting sued?

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      If government is scared of lawyers, it will cower in the corner when problems arise the solutions to which might offend – well – any one.

      Progressives governance hides behind the threat of lawsuits they support. Citing laws they write. Cool party trick.

      If it just wasn’t for those inconvenient school kids.

      Any good leftist will tell you that unlimited abortion up until age three, or maybe five, will fix the problem.

      1. 23rd trimester abortion, now that is a concept. Many parents contemplate it around the 11th-15th trimesters with the terrible 2s, but extending it to the 23rd is a bold concept. It’s a twofer because at that stage it can be accomplished with a pillow, no invasive procedure required:)

  12. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    The recommendations were short on long term solutions. With 33.3 billion in school board pockets, do you really think the general assembly should give more temporary funding?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Well, they’d need at least enough for more than a year, probably a lot more.

      We’ll know shortly as Youngkin will have to produce a budget for Jan.

  13. LarrytheG Avatar

    The other thing that needs to be acknowledge and discussed is the idea that kids “misbehave” if they are not at school much of the time. That’s the excuse given that because schools went remote, it contributed to even more kids misbehaving when they came back.

    Think about this. They’re at home with their parents and they cannot be convinced to learn remote much less be taught to behave.

    But this is the public schools fault for going remote in the first place!

    AND the “solution” now is to “warn” them of “consequences” AND if they don’t behave – boot their sorry butts… back home, kick them out of public school.

    That’s even Conservatives “solution” with charter/voucher/private schools. In those schools, if
    the kids don’t behave – you boot them out – back to the public schools and if they still don’t behave , boot them out entirely.

    This is what passes for “conservative thinking” these days even as they demonize teachers and public schools that the parents are the ones who “control”.

  14. how_it_works Avatar
    how_it_works

    Pretty obvious to me, back when I was in school, that the average Manassas parent didn’t give a crap what their kids did.

    The situation hasn’t likely changed in the 30 years since.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Are these the parents that are supposed to be telling schools how to educate their kids instead of teachers?

      1. how_it_works Avatar
        how_it_works

        These are the parents that view school as free baby sitting and don’t care what goes on there as long as their kid is gone for a few hours.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Don’t disagree but they also vote, right? Is this what is known as low-information voting?

          1. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            I have no idea if they vote. Probably not unless the Democrats are giving them a pack of cigarettes for it.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            ah…. the parents who see public school as taxpayer-provided baby-sitting are Dems!

            😉

          3. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            They’d vote for whatever political party gives them the free stuff!

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            like free public education!

            so THAT’S where this voucher thing came from!

            😉

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