Still Looking for the Scandal

Jonnie R. Williams. Photo credit: Times-Dispatch
Jonnie R. Williams. Photo credit: Times-Dispatch

by James A. Bacon

Virginia’s GiftGate has escalated from a minor brouhaha into a full-fledged media feeding frenzy with national overtones. The Washington Post editorial page has referred to the relationship with Star Scientific founder Jonnie R. Williams Sr. and Virginia’s two leading elected officials, Governor Bob McDonnell and Attorney General Ken Cuccinell, as “Virginia’s deepening scandal.”

Rachel Maddow, the MSNBC host who has elevated snark to an art-form, has declared, “Yes, Virginia, there is a scandal at hand.” She lambasted the governor for such reprehensible behavior as vacationing at Williams’ lake house at Smith Mountain Lake and riding back to Richmond in Williams’ Ferrari — which, she hastened to inform us, has “a retail price of $190,000.”

Based upon the reporting that I have seen, however, it is way premature to call the revelations a “scandal.” The media are making a Himalayan mountain chain out of a series of molehills. There is absolutely no evidence — at this point — that either McDonnell or Cuccinelli reciprocated Williams’ generosity with favors or special treatment.

Let me hasten to add a very important caveat. While I remain less than impressed by the allegedly scandalous dimensions of the affair based upon the evidence presented so far, I am more than willing to revise my appraisal if more substantive information turns up.

Also, let me make clear, I have no problem with the media running down the facts. A critical role of the Fourth Estate is to investigate the intersection of wealth and power. The bigger and more all-encompassing government gets and the more corporations seek to gain competitive advantage in the marketplace through the currying of political favor, the more imperative it is for the media to stand vigilant. Those in power need to know that their relationships and actions will be scrutinized for their propriety.

Further, neither McDonnell nor Cuccinelli did themselves any favors with the sloppy reporting of gifts from Williams, most notoriously the $15,000 Williams paid toward the banquet for McDonnell’s daughter’s wedding. McDonnell’s excuse that he did not report the contribution because it was a gift to his daughter came across as particularly lame.

Further, I do consider it unseemly that the First Lady, Maureen McDonnell, would travel to Florida to promote the Anatabloc anti-inflammatory supplement produced by Williams’ company, Star Scientific. Do we want Virginia’s First Lady flacking for corporate interests? Not me, not unless her appearance has been vetted by bureaucratic economic-development authorities. Finally, Cuccinelli, who owned stock in Star Scientific, should have recused himself from any involvement in litigation by the Attorney General’s office over the company’s unpaid taxes as soon as the situation arose rather than waiting for his relationship with Williams to be made public.

McDonnell and Cuccinelli are big boys. They know how the game is played. And they deserve to take heat for their oversights. But if those offenses amount to a “scandal,” it’s pretty weak stuff. Where’s the quid pro quo? Where is the string pulling? Where’s the abuse of power? Where’s the big pay-off for Williams or Star Scientific?

As a prime instigator of the media frenzy, The Washington Post devoted an entire article to an incident in which Star Scientific repaid hundreds of thousands of dollars of incentive money when it failed to live up to investment and job goals. Read the lead:

Star Scientific, whose chief executive paid for the food at the wedding of Gov. Bob McDonnell’s daughter, failed to create enough jobs to meet its part of an economic development deal with Virginia and was forced to repay hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Oooh, that sounds deplorable. But it turns out that Star Scientific received the grant in 2002 — during the Warner administration! Governor Mark Warner had approved a $300,000 grant from the Governor’s Opportunity Fund as part of a $1 million incentive package when Star Scientific expanded a facility in Mecklenburg County. The $49.9 million project was supposed to create 315 jobs but it didn’t. Failing to meet investment and job goals outlined in his agreement with the state, Star Scientific returned the money in 2008 — during the Kaine administration. The system worked precisely as it was designed to. And none of this had anything remotely to do with McDonnell. What was the point of the article?

What we appear to have is an instance of a wealthy entrepreneur with Republican sentiments contributing lots of money to two Republican grandees and going out of his way to court a friendship with them. One might legitimately ask why. One might legitimately inquire if Williams was angling for some kind of favor. That’s why the public scrutiny is fully warranted. But to term the friendship a “scandal” at this point seems absurd. There is no public evidence that Williams received — or even asked for — special treatment.

Right now, it appears that that Williams, a wealthy man, likes to surround himself with rich and powerful friends and that McDonnell and Cuccinelli, both powerful men, enjoy the friendship of a guy with big houses and flashy cars.

If that’s a “scandal,” then it’s one that every governor of Virginia — and every governor of every state in the union — is undoubtedly guilty of.


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40 responses to “Still Looking for the Scandal”

  1. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    More apologia for current administration. “Sure it’s bad, but it’s not really bad.”

    Come on Jim, stop being so naive.

    1. Come on, Peter, lay out your case. Where’s the quid pro quo?

      Asking to see the quid pro quo makes me an apologist?

  2. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Also, I am really glad for your support of the “Fourth Estate” running down the “intersection” of wealth and power. Mighty fine to have your endorsement there, Jim, as if we need the reassurance. I mean, I am just sitting here all day waiting for Jim Bacon to give his approval. Now I have it!

    1. As I recall, you were quite the apologist for MWAA when the board was trying to rush through a PLA. Methinks your highly refined sensitivity for abuses of power are limited to Republican abuses of power.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        You live in a fantasy land, Jim. The PLA was openly discussed and did not result in cash being stuffed into any MWAA Board members pocket.

        McDonnell took $15,000 into his own pocket from the CEO of a company engaged in a great deal of business with the state including a pending lawsuit. He tried to cover it up by claiming that it was a gift to his daughter and thereby avoid the minimal disclosure rules in Virginia. However, fathers pay for their daughters’ wedding costs and it appears that was the case with McDonnell since he (not his daughter) signed the contracts for the food and beverage.

        There is NO comparison between the MWAA’s bad business idea to mandate a PLA and McDonnell’s attempt to secretly stuff his pockets with Star Scientific money.

  3. larryg Avatar

    I only have one question. Why did they take the money when they knew how it would play once the public found out?

    this demonstrates utter contempt for the public on the part of these yahoos who represent themselves as principled elected to would-be voters.

    and we Flagellate the MWAA over it’s issues and expect McDonnell to fix it when he’s swimming in the same cesspool?

  4. Yeah, McDonnell took the money. The appearance doesn’t look good. But show me the abuse of power.

    As for MWAA, do I really need to recite the long list of abuses?

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Show me the abuse of power for Denis Martire going on an approved transportation seminar in Europe. How does that compare to McDonnell taking the equivalent of an envelope filled with $15,000 of cash. The slimeball wasn’t ever going to disclose that little gem.

      Real governmental organizations police themselves. They establish rules against corruption – in appearance or in fact. The filthy relationship between Richmond based businesses and our state government in Richmond is a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.

      1. Martire was charging expenses to the public account for expenses he was not entitled to.

        McDonnell’s failure was not taking money he wasn’t entitled to, his failure was not reporting it. Now, he needs to take the rap for that failure. The governor needs to be totally above board, totally transparent. He wasn’t. But as a personal friend Williams was within his rights to contribute the money, and McDonnell was within his rights to accept it.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          No Martire was not! You may debate his business judgement but he got the trip approved in advance by the proper authority inside the MWAA. He took his girlfriend but he paid her way. McDonnell’s attempt to terminate Martire failed and the MWAA had to settle with him for “an undisclosed sum”.

          The equivalent would have been if Bechtel or Clark Construction paid $15,000 for Matrire’s daughter’s wedding. Had that happened you would have lost your mind about the matter.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          “But as a personal friend Williams was within his rights to contribute the money, and McDonnell was within his rights to accept it.”.

          He was “within his rights” because the country club atmosphere in Richmond allows businessmen with dealings in the state to stuff money into the pockets of elected officials.

          I know a lot of people, including a lot of rich people. I’ve never heard of somebody picking up a $15,000 tab for a friend’s daughter. Have you? This isn’t some china on her wedding registry – it’s $15,000.

          The allegations against Cuccinelli are disturbing but far less serious than the $15,000. The biggest issue with Cooch is that he didn’t recuse himself from a case where he had an obvious conflict in a timely manner. The question of whether he was directly involved is utterly, absolutely and completely irrelevant. The Attorney General had a conflict in a case involving his agency. He needed to promptly disclose the conflict and take appropriate action. However, Cuccinelli was hiding the conflict by violating Virginia law. He says it was unintentional. Maybe, maybe not.

          Then there is the issue with the governor’s chef. The McDonnell’s supposedly told him to take food from the government pantry instead of being paid in cash. Why would anybody do such a bizarre thing? Because the catering was for the McDonnell family and not for official events? Dear lord, Jim – you and your fellow RPV members better hope to hell that isn’t the case.

          1. I do agree, $15,000 is a lot of money to give as a wedding gift — even for a close friend. It is such a big figure that it makes you wonder if Williams had an ulterior motive. And I’m surprised that McDonnell accepted the gift. He’s not exactly a pauper. I never would have accepted that large of a gift from a friend. Did he recognize that he placed himself under an implicit obligation to Williams? Not good judgment. Still, not what I’d call a scandal.

    2. larryg Avatar

      Even if legal, it LOOKS terrible and he had to know that when he took it.

      what was the man thinking?

      and this sort of blows apart Virginia’s “disclosure” idea that any money or gift is okay because is has to be disclosed.

      who says?

      How much other skulduggery is going on?

      who polices these ‘self disclosure” arrangements?

      no one apparently unless something leaks or gets discovered.

      this stinks to high heaven…. and I’d be just as hard on Kaine or Warner.

      In fact, I can’t see McDonnell being a Senator any more… that’s just ugly and stupid and we don’t need Senators who think like that.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        I like McDonnell. I voted for McDonnell. I have steadily maintained he did a good job. I’ve defended the guy for 3.5 years. But I can’t defend this. He’s proven himself to be as slippery as a greased eel. I won’t be voting for him any more. The LAST thing we need is another politician who thinks it’s OK to play fast and loose with ethics.

  5. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Wow. What is it about Richmonders? They’re always ready to excuse any amount of BS from the Richmond-insiders in the business community or the political elite.

    Jim, did you forget that Star Scientific is currently involved in tax litigation with the Commonwealth of Virginia? The CEO of a company engaged in a lawsuit with the state gave the sitting governor of the state $15,000. And Jim and the rest of the Richmond insiders just say “Ho Hum”.

    The Attorney General of the state (who is meant to represent the Commonwealth in the legal action) has also been taking “gifts” from the CEO of the company. Now that he has admitted taking those “gifts” he has belatedly recused himself from the suit.

    If you found out that some CEO of a company engaged in a lawsuit with the US government gave Obama’s daughter $15,000 in a secret transaction you would be going ballistic.

    Who could forget this prophetic report:

    http://www.stateintegrity.org/virginia_story_subpage

    ” Virginia has long prided itself on ethical government, but the state’s lax oversight rules, weak consumer representation protections, dwindling capitol press corps and coziness between political and economic elites, have all combined to undermine the validity of that self-image. Meanwhile, the few ethics and disclosure requirements that do exist tend to be flawed, limited or fraught with exemptions and qualifications, according to state ethics experts.”.

    “The Old Dominion is one of nine states with no statewide ethics commission, one of four states with no campaign finance limits and one of only two states (South Carolina is the other) where the part-time legislators handpick the judges before whom many of them practice law.”.

    The Richmond apologists will never hold the state’s politicians to account. Meanwhile, Richmond is a stinkhole of corruption. From Phil Hamilton to the Orion Air incident to Dominion’s tariff increases for BS green energy programs to Star Scientific to McDonnell’s chef – our elected leaders are robbing us blind while Jim and the other Richmond apologists fiddle.

    Final point – $15,000 is more than the allowable tax free gift under IRS guidelines. Do you think McDonnell’s daughter claimed the difference as income and paid her taxes?

  6. “Jim, did you forget that Star Scientific is currently involved in tax litigation with the Commonwealth of Virginia?”

    No, I did not forget. That’s why I wrote, “Cuccinelli, who owned stock in Star Scientific, should have recused himself from any involvement in litigation by the Attorney General’s office over the company’s unpaid taxes as soon as the situation arose rather than wait for his relationship with Williams to be made public.”

    Here’s what we need to know, and I have yet to see reported: Did Cuccinelli have any say-so over how to handle that litigation? If he was personally involved in any way without being totally up-front about his ownership of stock and his personal friendship with the CEO, that’s unforgivable. Alternatively, if it was routine litigation handled by a sub-altern and Cuccinelli was never in the loop and never had anything to say about it, that’s a very different thing.

    If Cuccinelli was never involved, his integrity is being unjustly smeared. If he *was* involved, he’s getting off easy. We need to know the extent of his involvement with the litigation before we can draw any conclusions.

    By the way, Don, this comment is not worthy of you: “What is it about Richmonders? They’re always ready to excuse any amount of BS from the Richmond-insiders.”

    That’s not an argument. That’s an ad hominem attack — trying to de-legitimize my argument by classifying me as a member of an undesirable group, while ignoring the merits of what I have to say. I could just as well jump all over you for your loudly voiced animosity to all things associated with Richmond and state government. “Oh, don’t pay any attention to Rippert. He’s biased.” But I don’t. Because such an appeal does not constitute an argument.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      I believe there is an oligopoly of Richmond-based business interests that use the lax Virginia political ethics laws to buy influence in ways that would see them incarcerated in most other states. I further believe that the Richmond media (including the Richmond Times Dispatch and you) are too willing to look the other way when it comes to the abysmal behavior of either the business community or the political establishment.

      That’s no more of an ad hominem attack than accusing me of being too willing to trust the Fairfax County government to “do the right thing”.

    2. Ghost of Ted Dalton Avatar
      Ghost of Ted Dalton

      Even assuming it was handled by an Assistant AG…Ultimately the elected has the duty. That’s disturbing.

      But why do we equate legal with scandal? IMO, it is a SCANDAL that this relationship exists b/w the G, AG, and a donor. Who cares if it is legal? It stinks.

      The bottom line is this: just b/c a couple of “clever” folks are able to avoid a “quid pro quo” in a legalistic sense does not mean that it is any less of a scandal that a donor gives 15 thousand dollars to a pol’s daughter for her wedding which isn’t reported to the public until the media starts prying.

  7. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    DJR,
    I live in the Richmond area although I don’t consider myself a Richmonder. Anyway, I think Bacon is all wet here. The MWAA guy did not conceal his expenses. McDonnell did not report his “daughter’s” $15,000 present from Williams. It just goes on from there. There is no comparison between the two cases.

    Cuccinelli has to recuse himself TWICE because of GiftGate and Chefgate, both somehow related. He was also late in revealing what he should have.

    Jim has his head in the Richmond sand. He has been here too long. Needs a trip. Stop reading the Richmond Times Disgrace and the usual Libertarian rags.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      99% of the people living in Richmond wouldn’t consider condoning this type of behavior. 99% of the people living in DC are appalled at the excesses of the federal government. However, in both cases, there is a cabal of elites who think this kind of stuff is just fine and dandy.

  8. Darrell Avatar
    Darrell

    Maybe there is a perfectly reasonable explanation to all this. Maybe it’s really CIA money and McD is simply spreading the cash around to all the Good Ole B..err, Virginia warlords, so they will stay on OUR side. Yeah, that must be it.

  9. larryg Avatar

    re: “this is not scandal ….yet”

    ok… what more would it take for this to be a scandal?

  10. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Jim has missed a recent addition to the story – McAuliffe says he’ll process an executive order to ban any gifts to the governor or his / her family of over $100 if elected.

    Cuccinelli’s response ….

    Crickets chirping.

    Where’s the ole “straight shooter” on this simple issue?

  11. reed fawell III Avatar
    reed fawell III

    I’m still wondering “where’s the beef”?

  12. larryg Avatar

    well… at this odoriferous stage… it’s no longer called “beef”…….

    I’m just flabbergasted to tell the truth. This is what you would expect
    from some clueless locally elected yahoo not folks who are schooled in the law and big time politics.

    Of course, the honorable thing is for both of them to resign and get their putrid carcasses out of the political realm but I bet they won’t.

    Usually Reed here though, is a most harsh critic of govt and political shenanigans….

    Have you got a view you’d share Reed?

  13. Scout Avatar

    I completely fail to follow the attempted logic of equating MWAA with this situation. Is it not possible that the self-favoring use of public monies for boondoggles and the failures of MWAA members to be fastidious about recusals when their day job interests overlapped needed to be addressed regardless of whether the Governor or the AG acted correctly re the gifts from Williams? If Virginia had not stepped in to force changes at MWAA, I see no way the public, particularly the state and county funding authorities, could be expected to support a project the size of Phase II of the Silver Line. Not only did the Commonwealth act forcefully to address a major process problem within MWAA at the time, it achieved a better, more qualified MWAA board going forward. The Williams issues, whatever the problems they present for government processes, strike me as completely unrelated.

  14. larryg Avatar

    really, Scout? So if one of the major contractors for MWAA was found to have contributed 15K to his daughter’s wedding…….????

    that did not happen, as far as we know, but what we do know is that both the Gov and the AG have shown themselves willing to accept money from companies that have an existing relationship with the state.

    is it really THAT big a jump?

    how can a Gov be scrupulously principled in one relationship and totally the opposite in another without people wondering if he engages in money with one, why not others?

    I do not want to make this sound worse than it is – i.e. to accuse anyone of a hypothetical – but when someone undermines their own reputation – there is only one reputation – and it is damaged – right? From that point on, why would we not wonder about other circumstances?

    You know – a Federal employee who took money from a company that he had a business relationship with – would get him fired … no if, ands or buts and no “I did not know” because Fed employees have to read and sign a standards of conduct when they are first employed and I believe on an annual basis if they are involved in business relationships.

    As far as I am concerned, the Gov signed such an agreement when he became Gov.

    1. Larry said: “You know – a Federal employee who took money from a company that he had a business relationship with – would get him fired … no if, ands or buts.”

      Please illuminate for me the analogy between this federal employee and Governor McDonnell. What “business relationship” or official state-corporate dealings did McDonnell or even anyone in his administration have with Star Scientific?

      1. Neil Haner Avatar
        Neil Haner

        A $700,000 disputed tax bill may not be a “business relationship” in some interpretations of the phrase, but it certainly generates a “compelling interest.”

        Jim, I agree with you on a lot of things, but this fails so many smell tests I can’t believe you’re defending the Governor and AG.

        I argue a lot that there’s a difference between a legal obligation and an ethical obligation. Our elected officials may not have a legal obligation to refuse these gifts… however the large majority of the state electorate, including many Republicans, believe that McDonnell and Cuccinelli had an ethical obligation to refuse them. It’s not going to land them in jail (which at the Federal level it very easily could) but it’s going to hurt Cuccinelli in November, and it’s going to hamper McDonnell if and when he tries to get to the national stage.

        When I was commissioned, we were told that as officers, our responsibility was not to avoid impropriety, but to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. The more authority you have, the higher the ethical standard to which you have to live. I expect better of my Governor and AG.

        1. Neil, I’m not sure where we disagree. You wrote, “Our elected officials may not have a legal obligation to refuse these gifts… however the large majority of the state electorate, including many Republicans, believe that McDonnell and Cuccinelli had an ethical obligation to refuse them.”

          I agree. Go back and re-read my post and you will see that I explicitly said so regarding Cuccinelli. I would agree regarding McDonnell’s accepting the wedding gift as well.

          All I’m saying is that none of the offenses rise to the level of “scandal.” There is no evidence of any quid pro quo.

          1. Neil Haner Avatar
            Neil Haner

            Fair enough…

            All the same, if they really don’t want the public to view it as a “scandal,” I’d like to see the two of them reimburse Williams and/or Star Scientific for the value of the gifts, in an act of repentance and good faith.

          2. larryg Avatar

            re: ” There is no evidence of any quid pro quo.”

            you’ve GOT to be kidding. I sincerely hope so.

            Money in politics and it don’t count because you cannot easily ascertain if there was a quid-pro-quo.

            this is how you want govt to operate?

            come on…. If Kaine or Warner or McAuliff took 15K from some company, did not disclose it, and said that it did not matter anyhow cause no quid-pro-quo had been “proved”, you’d find this not a problem for them in their office or running for office?

            this is bad Jim Bacon. this basically destroys the whole concept of Virginia’s law that says any money is fine BECAUSE it HAS TO Be DISCLOSED.

            well… so much for that idea.

      2. larryg Avatar

        ” Three days before the wedding, McDonnell’s wife flew to Florida to speak at a gathering of doctors interested in learning more about a chemical used in Anatabloc, a dietary supplement produced by Star Scientific; among other things, she told attendees that she supported Anatabloc and believed that the use of Anatabloc would lower health care costs in Virginia;

        Shortly after the wedding the Governor allowed Star Scientific to use the Governor’s mansion to host an event promoting Anatabloc; the event was paid for by McDonnell’s PAC; the Governor attended the event to acknowledge grants Star Scientific had made to public universities.”

        http://www.politicsandlawblog.com/2013/05/03/lessons-from-robert-f-mcdonnells-grand-adventure/

        Jim – are you saying that the GOv had no relationship at all with Star Scientific?

        1. Please refer to my post and read what I wrote.

          “I do consider it unseemly that the First Lady, Maureen McDonnell, would travel to Florida to promote the Anatabloc anti-inflammatory supplement produced by Williams’ company, Star Scientific. Do we want Virginia’s First Lady flacking for corporate interests? Not me, not unless her appearance has been vetted by bureaucratic economic-development authorities. “

          1. larryg Avatar

            If there was nothing else going on between the Gov and Star Scientific, I would agree..this would have been an isolated incident – but it’s more than that – it’s a pattern of involvement and not of the right kind.

  15. reed fawell III Avatar
    reed fawell III

    In reply to Larry’s query:

    I believe the $15,000 gift to Gov.’s daughter was unseemly and disappointing, and its cause for heightened alertness on part of electorate.

    Based on what we know as of this date and when viewed against the full context of the man’s life in public office, the personal action on the governors part amounts to a significant lapse of judgement. And so far it amounts to nothing more. So I agree generally with Jim on this one.

    I view the AG’s failure to recuse himself about the same way.

  16. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Quid Pro Quo’s:

    1. McDonnells host reception for Star Scientific in the governor’s mansion in August, 2011. This was after the June,2011 “gift” of $15,000 and the filing of a lawsuit by Star Scientific in July, 2011. If McAuliffe can be accused of renting out the Lincoln bedroom it was for campaign contributions that are legally prohibited from being used for personal use. McDonnell rents out the governor’s mansion to companies in lawsuits with the state in order to line his own pockets. That’s a scandal.

    2. Sept, 2011 – Cuccinelli buys and additional 3,600 shares of Star Scientific two months AFTER Star Scientific files a $700,000 lawsuit against the state. This is the ONLY stockholding that Cuccinelli has. Cuccinelli then “forgets” to disclose this investment breaking Virginia law. He also fails to recuse himself from the case. That is a scandal.

    3. March, 2013 – whistleblower Todd Schneider tells Cuccinelli about wrongdoing between Star Scientific and McDonnell. He is subsequently charged with embezzlement by Cuccinelli. Prosecuting a whistleblower in a case where both the Attorney General and the Governor have an unethical (by my standards) relationship with the company that is the object of the whistleblower’s testimony is another scandal.

    4. Summer, 2012 – Cuccinelli gets his reward by accepting a free vacation at Star Scientific’s Smith Mountain Lake house.

    5. April 26, 2013 – After letting the Star Scientific case languish and prosecuting a whistleblower in a case with allegations against Star Scientific while failing to recuse himself from two lawsuits involving Star Scientific, Cuccinelly “remembers” $13,000 in gifts from Star Scientific he had managed to somehow “forget” over the years. After the sudden memory improvement, Cuccinelli decides that he really should recuse himself from two ongoing cases.

    Jim lives in a fantasy land. This is a scandal by any reasonable definition. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck … it’s a duck.

    http://www.progressva.org/2013/05/what-have-cuccinelli-and-mcdonnell-been-hiding.html

    1. larryg Avatar

      you know.. you might be able to argue that some local yokel BOS got ‘confused’ about the law but we’re talking about the number 1 law enforcement guy in Va who is acting like – … why a local yokel who did not know better.

      Now.. I know Jim Bacon has this confirmation bias problem on a lot of issues but this is ridiculous!

      if this keeps up… we’re going to be challenging South Carolina for weirdness in politics!

  17. Richard Avatar
    Richard

    As others have noted, even if it is not illegal, it is sleazy. A sleazy politician degrades the political process with secrets, evasions and false denials, and he or she ought to be punished for it by the electorate. Of course the party that sponsors the sleazy politician won’t do the punishing, but will protect and accuse the opposition of “doing the same thing,” or of “making a mountain out of a molehill” (as friend Jim has done).

  18. larryg Avatar

    Here’s what I say. If the folks who believe McDonnell has just messed up a “little” think this same behavior would be fine for Terry McAUliffe then I’d applaud your non-partisan approach but question your overall non-partisan scruples.

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