Stay Calm: Police Finally Release Make and Model of the Va. Beach Pier Car

by Kerry Dougherty

Everyone try to maintain your composure. Let’s all stay calm. Perhaps a few moments of meditation are in order.

Deep breath.

Ready?

We finally know the make and model of the car that drove off the 14th Street pier more than a week ago.

The police had that information but withheld it from the public, they said, “to avoid a panic.”

The car that spent almost a week in the Atlantic because the city couldn’t figure out how to remove it from its watery 17-foot grave is a red Nissan Kicks.

Good Lord that’s shocking. Thank goodness THOSE details didn’t leak. Imagine what might have happened.

In case you’re wondering, as I was, what a Nissan Kicks looks like, we’ve included a photo of the panic-inducing compact SUV from the NissanUSA website.

The car was pulled from the ocean Friday morning with its lone occupant – a male – inside.

There were no license plates on the car, which is odd.

It would seem unlikely that the plates simply floated away. Why would someone go to the trouble of removing them before driving off a pier? All that might have done is draw attention to the car on its way to the oceanfront. Was that a cry for help?

I mean no disrespect to the person who apparently took his own life by speculating on these matters. Suicide is a heinous thing and sadly, it touches so many families these days. We have a mental health crisis in this country that was exacerbated by the insanity and isolation that took over during Covid. We need to get help to people who feel that the only answer is death.

Before some start scolding me for asking questions, remember that when one commits suicide in a public place and public monies — in this case, a lot of them — are spent on recovery, the public deserves honesty and answers from public officials.

We didn’t get that in Virginia Beach this time. Instead we got a lot of double talk. Some of the fault rests with police who always prefer Cop-Speak to plain English. Most of the blame should be on the uncurious local news media, who act as obedient stenographers rather than reporters when confronted with a public tragedy.

Why wasn’t the Navy summoned to help immediately? People can — and have — lived for more than an hour in a submerged car, I’ve been told this by EMS members who have been involved in several of these rescues.

And why in the world did the police deliberately create some sort of mystery around the make and model of the car? Why not put that out there so families with missing kids who are in cars that aren’t Nissan Kicks could give a sigh of relief that this wasn’t their loved one?

Republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed and Unedited.


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60 responses to “Stay Calm: Police Finally Release Make and Model of the Va. Beach Pier Car”

  1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    It seems that the police were trying to respect the privacy of the deceased’s family in what must have been a traumatic time. Too bad that Kerry does not seem to think that was a good thing to do.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      A country of meddlesome busybodies…

      1. Is that better or worse than A Confederacy of Dunces?

    2. Seems common to spice up your life by thinking you’re uncovering some sprawling conspiracy.

      Maybe blogging isn’t cutting it as a hobby

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        You say blogging, I say flogging.

        1. Well they say the difference between flogger and flagellant is who gets the whip.

        2. Well they say the difference between flogger and flagellant is who gets the whip.

        3. Well they say the difference between flogger and flagellant is who gets the whip.

  2. DJRippert Avatar

    I suppose there could have been a number of reasons for the delay. The car was only recovered last Friday. My guess (and it’s only a guess) is that identifying the body was a challenge since the SUV had no license plates. Was the SUV stolen? If so, knowing who was driving would be a challenge. That would make it hard to find next of kin.

    Announcing that a red Nissan Kicks had plunged into the Atlantic might have cause a panic among families who have loved ones (especially children) driving red Nissan Kicks.

    Having said all that, letting more than a week pass without identifying the deceased seems odd. In the following article from Blacksburg, the murder-suicide happened on Nov 7 and the perpetrator and victim were named on Nov 8.

    https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2023/11/08/to-know-she-is-gone-is-just-unreal-parents-of-victim-in-blacksburg-murder-suicide-speak-out/

    In this case of a suicide that happened in Woodbridge on Dec 3, the details (including the deceased’s name) was reported on Dec 6.

    https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/triangle-man-dies-in-apparent-suicide-on-i-95-in-woodbridge/article_97ee0b92-9475-11ee-9332-7715b7185859.html

    Presumably, the Virginia Beach Police will identify the dead person soon.

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      Even if there were no plates on, it still has a VIN and they should be able to run that. EDIT: The Nissan Kicks has been in production only since 2016, so it’s not like trying to run the VIN of a vehicle that has been underwater for 40 years when all the records have likely been purged.

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        So long as the SUV wasn’t stolen.

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          They may have to resort to DNA testing if they can’t identify the deceased any other way.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar

    Now you know what kind of things the police and UVA and other have to put up with….. these days… and why they’re not inclined to cater to those with such issues.

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      “This job would be great it it weren’t for the customers”.

      Customers, citizens, taxpayers….all should shut up and learn their place.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I don’t think being a “customer” or a “taxpayer” entitles you to be a jerk and I’ve seen enough of this of late in school board meetings, airline planes and other places.

        People are out of control.

        You’re not entitled to every scrap of information an agency has just because they are govt and you’re a taxpayer.

        Cretins and louts.

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          Even the mere suggestion that an agency is not doing what they should be doing as well as they should be doing it could be seen by the thin-skinned as “being a jerk”.

          Some folks just can’t take any criticism at all. Oddly enough, in my experience, they tend to be the ones who just aren’t all that good at what they do…

          Like I probably said before here, I knew someone who did desktop support before I did, for the same place.

          He told me that the users were “tough” and “difficult”..

          …I didn’t have a problem with them.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            They don’t take criticism well when they’ve been abused over and over by jerks. Pretty sure the folks at
            VDOT have been subjected to that kind of criticism and now steel themselves for more encounters
            with jerks. It takes a lot of self-control to deal with 3 jerks in a row then try to be nice to the next person
            who may not be a jerk.. it can wear on you.

          2. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Every encounter with a “jerk” is an opportunity.

            An opportunity to listen, perhaps resolve their issue, and improve their opinion of your organization.

            You know, what used to be known as “customer service”.

            I’d be willing to be that the 9 times out of 10, that “jerk” who is “abusing” that poor customer-facing employee has been dealing with the problem for days, weeks, or months, maybe years. They’ve been getting the run-around and feel like nobody gives a crap.

            Very few people dial it up to “10” on the first go-round.

        2. DJRippert Avatar

          The FOIA laws were passed for a reason – namely, taxpayers and other citizens are the customers of government.

          Given that there is almost always no competition between agencies providing providing government services, citizens have no choice. For example, a crime in Virginia Beach will be investigated by the VBPD, not by one of several PDs with the victim choosing which PD to engage.

          In a similar vein, especially in Virginia, there is no choice in schools. Unless you can afford private schools, your kids will attend the government school in the district where you live. If you disagree with what is being done by the local school system you have a Constitutionally guaranteed right to petition government for redress of grieviences.

          First amendment – “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

          OIf school board members don’t want to be subject to a citizen’s petition of government to redress grievances, they should resign their seat and not seek re-election.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            But you don’t have the “right” to decide what you’re entitled to. You’re not entitled to whatever you think you
            should have or get. You can petition for redress til the cows come home but that’s it.

            Yeah, we had an election for School Board and the conservative majority got voted off and the two
            remaining are outvoted and now are disrupting the proceedings.

            You DO have “choice” in schools. What you don’t have is the right to take tax money from others and
            spend how you see fit for schools. But you have 100% freedom to make choices for your own desires. You’re
            NOT “entitled” to money to fund your “choices”.

  4. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    My analogy of doing better communication job, when it comes to aircraft accidents, NTSB sets the standard for verbose communications to keep public informed. Unfortunately many other people/organizations feel secrecy is of extreme importance and refrain from giving out info, even when it is appropriate to say more. One example was the 6-yr old shooter parent was held secret forever, and recently the 3 KCChiefs fans that froze to death on drugs (not Virginia incident). Virginia Way element seems to highly value officials right to keep secrets.

    Oh another example last year about this time there was a DC carjacker shot and killed in Alexandria I think, apparently by rumor it was an off-duty Maryland officer who shot the kid, who was armed, I am just saying many examples of shutting down info flow to the public.

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      Virginia officials need to stop treating citizens like mushrooms.

      “Keep ’em in the dark and feed ’em crap”.

      Of course, that policy is probably the only reason “Virginia man” isn’t quite the meme that “Florida man” is.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Don’t forget “Florida-Georgia Man”

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            “The identity of the carjacker has not been released.”

            Nor should it be. Clearly a deliberate act. 😊

  5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “The car that spent almost a week in the Atlantic because the city couldn’t figure out how to remove it from its watery 17-foot grave is a red Nissan Kicks.”

    And this information has demonstrated your need to know, how exactly…?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Stomping the pumps.

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    You just can’t comprehend being the parent or loved one of a suicide victim, can you? Lack of empathy means something. Can’t recall. Hey! The medical examiner will have autopsy photos. Fill a FOIA.

    The police weren’t worried about you panicking, other than a panicky, unedited, and unread opinion piece.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Just for, uh, scale. The Challenger went poof in late January. The crew cabin position was known that day when the USCG began recovering large pieces of floating debris just ESE of Hetzle(sp) Shoal Buoy. The torsos were recovered a month later. How dare they take so long!

    And that was the Navy.

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I’m going to go out on limb. I’ll bet a dollar to a dime that there is no requirement to release the names of suicides to the public. In which case, I hope they don’t. Karen will go nuts.

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      I don’t know. If the dead person shot himself while at home, I’d agree. However, speeding down a long pier and then plunging off the end and into the ocean?

      I would think inquiring minds would want to know.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        One day a few years back, four of us were having lunch on the waterfront in Yorktown when we saw dozens of flashing lights on the Coleman. It was a jumper. For the next few days, I scanned the Y-P Sheriffs’ Log and the DP for details. Nada. No mention of even a one-hour stoppage.

        Score one for the negotiator.

        Karen has gone beyond inquisitive to angry bloviating. Anger at her age is a sign.

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Of course, inquiring minds would want to know, but how is it any of their business?

        I would not be surprised if the plates were removed by the police just so people like Kerry could not run them and get the nzme of the owner.

      3. First, I want to point out that we are only assuming this event was a suicide , we do not yet know for certain. It probably was a suicide, but it could also be a complicated murder scheme. In that case it could be a good long time before the gritty details are released.

        Assuming it was a suicide, though, most suicides at or near a person’s home or place of work are pretty easy to solve. The authorities can find out who the person is, notify the next of kin (assuming they do not already know) and put the case to bed pretty quickly. This means they can release names and details relatively quickly.

        Other suicides can be more complicated, such as when a person drive a vehicle off the end of a pier into the ocean. There can be more ‘pieces of the puzzle’ which need to be put together to solve such a case. It can take a lot longer to identify the person involved, and it can take longer to find and notify next of kin.

        I think the police will eventually release all the standard information which they would release for any other similar case. I suspect they are simply exercising caution until they are sure they know everything they can know about it.

        Eight days is not a long time at all if the police have run into any snags in solving the case.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          VBPD has announced they will not be releasing any information on the victim.

          1. Interesting. Do you happen to know whether it is SOP for VBPD to refrain from naming suicides?

          2. Interesting. Do you happen to know whether it is SOP for VBPD to refrain from naming suicides?

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Well, in the Va Codes, there are mandatory release requirements for all the stuff PDs do, but the paragraph on suicide says mandatory only to immediate family, next of kin, and/or their representatives. That means it’s optional to the public, I suppose.
            See 3.
            https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title2.2/chapter37/section2.2-3706/

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            I expect a rigorous rebuttal from some…. including you know who….

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            No actually, I don’t know who. But I’ve blocked my best guess.

          6. DJRippert Avatar

            Interesting. I do think the VBPD should disclose what they think happened, whether they disclose the dead person’s name or not.

            Arguably (especially for conspiracy theorists), driving a car down a pier that normally has pedestrians could be an attempted terrorist act.

            Designating cause of death as “suicide” would put some people’s minds at ease.

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            They have released that it was a “deliberate act”. See top post by me.

          8. Of course, that could also mean the occupant of the vehicle was murdered, and the vehicle deliberately sent off the pier by the murderer.

            It probably doesn’t mean that, but it could.

          9. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Was that a Judy Tenuta moment?

          10. “When I get angry about something, I have to make it into a joke. The thing with comedy is it relieves the pressure of tragedy.”

            –Judy Tenuta, 2007

          11. LarrytheG Avatar

            what time did it happen? were there people on the pier when it happened?

          12. …but the paragraph on suicide says mandatory only to immediate family, next of kin, and/or their representatives.

            Thanks. I was hoping that was the case.

          13. StarboardLift Avatar
            StarboardLift

            VB Police do not release names of those who are determined to have died by suicide, and that finding takes time. In the video, you can see the car’s brake lights come on twice before the end of the pier.

  9. Jay E. Richardson Avatar
    Jay E. Richardson

    Been thinking ALL the exact same things… They have the VBPD, VDFD, VSP, Fish and Game, the US Navy and USCG… It took a week to get a car out of 15 feet of water 650 feet offshore…

    This person flew through that parking lot at probably 40-50mph crossing the bike path and boardwalk missing an innocent bystander by inches.. They proceeded to smash through a huge steel gate, then took out the turn styles before driving to the end and publicly committing one of the most disturbing suicides I ever saw it my life..

    Why the secrecy? They had this information the day it happened.. Bullshit on they withhold names of suicide victims, google all the articles of suicides at the correction center, they released their names.. I suspect its the family member of someone very powerful or influential here in the VB Community and is getting special treatment.. Believe me, the old boy network is alive and well here in matters involving the police, I’ve experienced it first hand… I think if they’d release the age and the why, that would be appropriate.. Everyone here wants to heal and reconcile this awful tragedy and get closure, not wonder forever what the heck happened..

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “I suspect its the family member of someone very powerful or influential here in the VB Community and is getting special treatment…”

      A reasonable assumption given the highly unusual sealed divorce records of Bob and Maureen McDonnell by a VB judge.

      What else you got?

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “I suspect its the family member of someone very powerful or influential here in the VB Community and is getting special treatment…”

      A reasonable assumption given the highly unusual sealed divorce records of Bob and Maureen McDonnell by a VB judge.

      What else you got?

  10. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Brace yo’self… she’s gonna blow!

    “VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) — The Virginia Beach Police Department (VBPD) will not be releasing the name of the person who drove off the Virginia Beach Fishing Pier on Jan. 27 due to the nature of their death, according to the department.

    A spokesperson with Virginia Beach Police said Monday that the department does not plan to release the name “as this incident appears to have been a deliberate act.”

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