We’ve reached a dead end. Everybody, please draw a deep breath and take a step back.
Staring into the Abyss
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104 responses to “Staring into the Abyss”
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Threats and attacks have been ongoing prior – Look at Pelosi's husband or folks like Anthony Fauci, or election officials in Georgia, for three.
Not exactly nothing until now.
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… and the noose…
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and not the Dems talking about a second civil war… etc..
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Yep, a plague on both your houses. Nancy Boy, you and Larry are officially part of the problem.
Ya'll aren't privy to the inside data. Since the "upgrade" Bacon's Rebellion has gone into the crapper on readership. Recovering the subscriptions has proved impossible. Basically just the comment addicts yelling at each other with nobody else reading.
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I knew him, and you, Sir, are no Mercutio.
I saw Troll’s post of your post of Dems being somewhat hostile. Tough to tell which is back and forth and which is forth and back, but like men on a two-hand saw, the log is cut.
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It is getting tedious. It would be nice for the verbal snipers to post articles for the rest of us to snipe at.
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I agree. I've written over 100 articles for this blog. Not many in the 2 1/2 years since I decided to un-retire but a lot over the years.
I appreciate all the work done by Jim Bacon, Steve Haner, Dick Sizemore-Hall, etc.
I have access to the insider data to which Steve refers but have not looked lately.
Steve – by "upgrade" do you mean the new WordPress (I think) format or something else?
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Bacon's Rebellion had 1,500 to 2,000 subscribers before we switched to a new theme (because the old one is no longer supported by WordPress). We have been unable to recover those subscribers so far but we're working on it. It'll cost a few bucks — what doesn't? — but thanks to the generosity of readers in responding to my last appeal for donations, we have the funds. I'm optimistic we can get this fixed soon.
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If you give me a number, I'll contribute.
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The blog is dead. I don't write for 150 readers…I don't write to be abused by Nancy, Larry and the Half Wit Troll. If I write something for another audience, I might cross post here.
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had no idea you had such a wide following!
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Well to be fair, it's mostly ET, NN and larry patting each other on the back or agreeing with each other. They use this site for their own personal blogs, since they would never write anything themselves.
This hapless, uneducated Karen thinks it was "Trump's security detail" that failed to stop the shooter yesterday?
How stupid is she?
It was Biden's Secret Service who failed to stop the shooter before he killed one person, injured two more and almost got Trump killed.
The same Secret Service who has a DEI promote put in charge by Biden.
"Cheatle joined the United States Secret Service in 1995.[1] In 2017 and 2018, she served as deputy assistant director. She also served as special-agent-in-charge in the Grand Rapids, Michigan, office. She became the first woman to serve as assistant director of Protective Operations, a department tasked with protection of the president and dignitaries, and managed a budget of over $133.5 million.[2] During her tenure, Cheatle was assigned to the Vice Presidential Protective Division during the Obama administration.[3]
From 2019 to 2022, Cheatle served as senior director of global security at PepsiCo, where she was responsible for directing and implementing security protocols for the company's facilities in North America. Her role involves developing risk management assessment and risk mitigation."
At her highest level, she supervised a budget of $133.5M? The annual budget for the US Secret Service is just under $3B.
That's 4.5% of the Secret Service's budget.
Then, she went to Pepsi.
Pepsi?
But Biden brought her back and put her in charge.
And her team let a gunman get onto a roof with a rifle 130 yards from the protectee,
Any decent hunter could drop a deer from 130 yards with no problem. Chest shot.
Karen is an idiot.
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Trump's lucky Crooks went for a head shot instead of center of mass. There was a lot more mass there and that 1/4 inch he missed by would not have been noticeable a foot and a half lower. It did not look like Trump was wearing body armor, although most of the SS were.
ps, in this case the appropriate acronym is DIE.
I have done some self reflection, and I don’t know which is worse. My not feeling bad about not feeling bad, or my feeling bad about not having to feel worse.
Thank you JAB. Indeed, time for all of us to step back from the precipice.
The 24/7 cable TV pseudo-news channels, which broadcast little news and only the rantings of talking heads doesn't help. Advertisers could stop buying ads until the networks go back to reporting news and fire all their opinionated hosts. CNN does it in Europe. Headline News used to be very valuable. When I traveled on business, one of the first things I did after checking into my hotel was turn on HLN.
I've shared before I am from Pittsburgh. More specifically I grew up in Bethel Park PA, which is just a family suburban town.
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The shooter was a dietary aide at the nursing home both my Dad and Mom passed away from old age, which was near his house.
Pass that on to your contributors if you will…
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Note that in a follow up I wrote both parties are at fault, a compilation of R's saying similar stuff would be easy to make. J6 would be a big part of it. We don't know much about this young assassin or what motivated him, but soon enough I guess we will. A "plague on both your houses" has been a constant theme with me since Charlottesville 2017 and the 2020 riots.
Heads need to roll at the Secret Service. To leave that rooftop without a posted guard is inexcusable. And shame, shame on the media coverage which has paid so little attention to the person killed and the other two wounded. Granted the names are still unknown, but they were just sitting in the stands between the shooter and the podium.
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“We don't know much about this young assassin or what motivated him, but soon enough I guess we will”
You could have led with this in your tweet, Hanner… and stopped right there…
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This site WAS egregious in terms of the roofs but many of the rally sites are "open" in terms of long expanses to a treeline and I would think pretty problematical in terms of manpower and time to setup security that encompasses long distance sniper threats. Trump and his security team may well want to re-think how they do outdoor rally's that have such threats. There ARE 'crazies" out there and efforts to get labels on them won't address the threat itself.
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Fine people on both sides.
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ouch ouch ouch … at some point, if not already, I would expect a thought that the Secret Service should not be trusted 100% because it answers to the incumbent and not the challenger.
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debunked BS…even by Leftists fact checkers, but you do you
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" … a compilation of R's saying similar stuff would be easy to make."
Great. Make the compilation of elected Republicans saying things like, "I will go take Bidn out tonight" as Maxine Waters said about Trump.
I'd like to see it.
But you can't make that compilation.
Because the material is lacking.
I'm all eyes and ears.
Make a 2;20 compilation of Republican elected officials and "celebrities" saying the want to punch Biden in the face or blow up the White House. or holding up a replica of Biden's head drenched in blood.
Let me know when you've finished that compilation.
I'd really like to see it.
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"Washington
CNN 7 yrs ago
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Rep. Maxine Waters rejected Tuesday any suggestion that she was vowing to harm President Donald Trump last week when she said she would “take Trump out.”“That’s absolutely ridiculous … that a 79-year-old grandmother who is a congresswoman and who has been in Congress and politics all these years doing any harm,” the California Democrat told CNN’s Chris Cuomo in an interview on “New Day.” “The only harm I might be doing to the President is I want him impeached.”
While speaking at the Ali Forney dinner – a gala for LGBT youth – in New York on Friday night, Waters – one of Trump’s fiercest critics on Capitol Hill – told the crowd she was motivated to “take Trump out” and received a huge ovation.
“Wow, what a moving evening this is. I’m sitting here listening, watching, absorbing, thinking about Ali even though I never met him,” she said at the dinner. “And with this kind of inspiration, I will go and take out Trump tonight.”
During her interview with CNN, she said she wants to impeach Trump because his actions and rhetoric are harmful for the US.
“Everybody knows that I’m on the front lines not talking about harming anybody but I am talking about impeachment,” she said. “I don’t think this President should be representing our country … he creates controversy, he cannot get along with our members of Congress, and I’m going to continue my efforts to impeach him.”
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/maxine-waters-gold-star-family-cnntv/index.html
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"Washington
CNN 7 yrs ago
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Rep. Maxine Waters rejected Tuesday any suggestion that she was vowing to harm President Donald Trump last week when she said she would “take Trump out.”“That’s absolutely ridiculous … that a 79-year-old grandmother who is a congresswoman and who has been in Congress and politics all these years doing any harm,” the California Democrat told CNN’s Chris Cuomo in an interview on “New Day.” “The only harm I might be doing to the President is I want him impeached.”
While speaking at the Ali Forney dinner – a gala for LGBT youth – in New York on Friday night, Waters – one of Trump’s fiercest critics on Capitol Hill – told the crowd she was motivated to “take Trump out” and received a huge ovation.
“Wow, what a moving evening this is. I’m sitting here listening, watching, absorbing, thinking about Ali even though I never met him,” she said at the dinner. “And with this kind of inspiration, I will go and take out Trump tonight.”
During her interview with CNN, she said she wants to impeach Trump because his actions and rhetoric are harmful for the US.
“Everybody knows that I’m on the front lines not talking about harming anybody but I am talking about impeachment,” she said. “I don’t think this President should be representing our country … he creates controversy, he cannot get along with our members of Congress, and I’m going to continue my efforts to impeach him.”
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/maxine-waters-gold-star-family-cnntv/index.html
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She's a liar, Larry. Take Trump out TONIGHT.
Sorry, Pal but there was no election that night and if the dimwith thinks you can impeach a president for rhetoric, she's even dumber than most Democrats.
Now that Biden inept Secret Service almost let Trump actually get killed all the lefty weasels are trying to walk back their prior statements.
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she was talking about impeach, no?
and sure enough, the "Biden IS responsible" narrative is more of the rhetoric coming from the right. What's different than before? Not much!
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What office was Alex Jones elected to? I don't know Ivan Raikin but – I give – what office was he elected to hold?
Maxine Waters and Bennie Thompson – those are elected officials.
Fine me Republican elected officials who physically threatened Biden.
And … that's one comment, not a 2:20 montage.
Nice try, though.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hC6s_Qu0Ed8 You said celebrity… is this high enough for you? You hear the one about the NC GOP Lt Gov telling his church some people need killing… ?
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The vignette posted by Republicans has 26 examples. You have one. Two if I count Larry's example of a tasteless joke.
You're down 24.
Like I said – make the montage.
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https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1812584497658864011?s=46 This one alone is longer than Hanner’s entire post… also I think Ted Nugent single handedly bears your goal.
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https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1812584497658864011?s=46 This one alone is longer than Hanner’s entire post… also I think Ted Nugent single handedly beats your goal. Oh, and the infamous Gosar killing AOC tweet:
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053895408/paul-gosar-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-anime-twitter-video-backlash
Hard to keep up with them all…
But is this montage of a thread good enough for you…?
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Donald would have been in his freshman year of college in 1963 and will remember the Zapruder film. I sure hope he doesn’t replay it in his dreams.
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"Anthony Fauci Gets Death Threats After Marjorie Taylor Greene's Remarks"
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Here's what Marjorie Taylor Greene said …
"The Georgia congresswoman provoked the ire of her Democratic colleagues by repeatedly addressing Fauci as "Mr." and saying "You're not a doctor."
Not a threat of physical violence.
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"She later told reporters that Fauci belonged in prison “and should be tried for mass murder and crimes against humanity"
Says Anthony Fauci, who is a known liar.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fc1579cb6c4694305fb30c3b9c4dfc1d476fd0b7d893181e8bb43c5e647870d.png https://time.com/6226946/paul-pelosi-attack-gop-response-political-discourse/
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And that seemed more like some weird gay encounter? Pelosi in his underwear? We do not know the story.
Also, crazy guy not elected, but if going to go there, do all Hollywood Trump execution fantasies.
The Republican NC gubernatorial candidate said “some people need killing.”
No, but a good bout of PTSD can change them.
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Was he talking about criminals, as opposed to politicians?
Lefties talk about opposing politicians like those politicians are criminals for disagreeing with them, the righteous, virtue-signaling, Godless "elite" who went to the "right" schools. Please keep the plebes away! Better, throw them in jail!
We don't know the motive, and may never know–but here's a semi-uneducated guess. Based on facts but insufficient facts.
Facts: Thomas Matthew Crooks's father reported to be moderate conservative. Mother moderate liberal. The boy registered as Republican. Reported to be highly intelligent. Add this tee-shirt he's wearing:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a94e108723c4236b1f3624918153e747652a8fdc47d6a5e9012286a72eb626d.png
This all adds up to a Republican never-Trumper, out to save what Washington Jefferson, Madison, bequeathed us.
Who buys into the "existential threat to the democracy, Trump = Hitler" meme. Intelligent. Understands that if Hitler is to be stopped, it must be before he comes to power. After is too late.
So he will sacrifice himself, to take out Trump, for the country.
He is not alone in this sort of wishful thinking. Nancy Naive with commendable candor says below she is not sure what's worse, "My not feeling bad about not feeling bad, or my feeling bad about not having to feel worse."
The objective was to take out Trump before the Republican convention. So they'll have to scramble to pick somebody else.
But if you shoot at a king you must kill him. Here is the Russian take on the consequence of Crooks's failure: "Trump has Biden's balls in his hand."
We don't know the motive, and may never know–but here's a semi-uneducated guess. Based on facts but insufficient facts.
Facts: Thomas Matthew Crooks's father reported to be moderate conservative. Mother moderate liberal. The boy registered as Republican. Reported to be highly intelligent. Add this tee-shirt he's wearing:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a94e108723c4236b1f3624918153e747652a8fdc47d6a5e9012286a72eb626d.png
This all adds up to a Republican never-Trumper, out to save what Washington Jefferson, Madison, bequeathed us.
Who buys into the "existential threat to the democracy, Trump = Hitler" meme. Intelligent. Understands that if Hitler is to be stopped, it must be before he comes to power. After is too late.
So he will sacrifice himself, to take out Trump, for the country.
He is not alone in this sort of wishful thinking. Nancy Naive with commendable candor says below she is not sure what's worse, "My not feeling bad about not feeling bad, or my feeling bad about not having to feel worse."
The objective was to take out Trump before the Republican convention. So they'll have to scramble to pick somebody else.
But if you shoot at a king you must kill him. Here is the Russian take on the consequence of Crooks's failure: "Trump has Biden's balls in his hand."
We don't know the motive, and may never know–but here's a semi-uneducated guess. Based on facts but insufficient facts.
Facts: Thomas Matthew Crooks's father reported to be moderate conservative. Mother moderate liberal. The boy registered as Republican. Reported to be highly intelligent. Add this tee-shirt he's wearing:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a94e108723c4236b1f3624918153e747652a8fdc47d6a5e9012286a72eb626d.png
This all adds up to a Republican never-Trumper, out to save what Washington Jefferson, Madison, bequeathed us.
Who buys into the "existential threat to the democracy, Trump = Hitler" meme. Intelligent. Understands that if Hitler is to be stopped, it must be before he comes to power. After is too late.
So he will sacrifice himself, to take out Trump, for the country.
He is not alone in this sort of wishful thinking. Nancy Naive with commendable candor says below she is not sure what's worse, "My not feeling bad about not feeling bad, or my feeling bad about not having to feel worse."
The objective was to take out Trump before the Republican convention. So they'll have to scramble to pick somebody else.
But if you shoot at a king you must kill him. Here is the Russian take on the consequence of Crooks's failure: "Trump has Biden's balls in his hand."
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Seems to be a feeling that Trump will get a significant bump in the polls? True?
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A feeling by whom?
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by folks pro and con! got a view yourself?
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Yes, I do.
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One man led us to this “abyss”. We’ll see if he steps back first.
I’ll accept bets, offering 15:1 against.
One man led us to this “abyss”. We’ll see if he steps back first.
He will receive a sympathy bump, but to maintain it, one has to be sympathetic.
I’ll accept bets, offering 15:1 against.
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Really?
So $10,000 : $150,000 and you take Biden?
Jim – do you mind holding the money?
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No, I take Republicans pulling a lemming.
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The abyss is calling apparently…
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Just to be clear … you'll take a $10,000 bet and if Biden doesn't win, you'll pay $150,000?
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Biden not winning isn’t the abyss. You’ll recognize it when you see it. In the meantime, Zelle $10,000 to imasucker@aol.com. It’s a friend who’ll hold the bet.
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No, Jim. I will not "step back from the abyss" as you ask. You can ban me from the site if you like but this is not a two way street.
Did you forget the Democratic proposal to deny Secret Service protection to anybody convicted of a "felony"?
Let me help refresh your memory …
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-assassination-attempt-bennie-thompson-secret-service-security-1924954
Then, guess what?
A paid staffer for the buffoon Bennie Thompson (who sponsored that legislation) posted a message on Facebook yesterday AFTER the assassination attempt. Here's an article detailing what she wrote:
"I don't condone violence but get you some shooting lessons so you don't miss next time."
"That's what your hate speech got you."
Couldn't happened to a nicer fellow but it was staged."
Again, posted AFTER the assassination attempt.
Yeah, Bennie Bozo fired her. But what was she doing working for him in the first place?
And then, Thompson shows his true hypocrisy by posting:
"There is no room in American democracy for political violence. I am grateful for law enforcement’s fast response to this incident.
I am glad the former President is safe, and my thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved."
Are you kidding me?
He wanted Donald unprotected. Had he succeeded Donald Trump and many others would be dead today.
That's the kind of "both sides" logic you adhere to?
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So it is now coming out that not only was the shooter a white, male, registered-Republican, gun enthusiast (of course with their gun of choice) but also appears to be staunchly Conservative. In addition, the absurd contention that Liberals are the ones who motivated the shooter with their violent rhetoric has fallen apart (as often happens). Assassination attempt appears to also be friendly fire and likely not even politically motivated … so now the Conservative messengers must find a new way to blame Biden…. that abyss is the siren to the Right…
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DJR seems to be claiming there is "gaslighting" going on.
He's right but got the wrong culprits!
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And, for the record ….
Biden five days ago: "It's time to put Trump in a bullseye."
That was not an incitement to violence.
It was an unfortunate choice of words in retrospect but not a call for violence against Mr. Trump.
However, his call today for an investigation of what happened in Pennsylvania yesterday to be conducted by the current head of the Secret Service is clearly an attempt to avoid accountability.
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I concur with your assessment of the Secret Service but they need to put out their report – for the record , and then others to add that to a more independent look.
But the idea that the GOP both elected and folks in the GOP tent have not incited violence is laughable.
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Indeed… absolutely absurd…
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Biden's plea for moderation would have been more convincing if he had promised to lead by example and refrain from railing against the Repubs as threats to democracy, that democracy itself was on the ballot, and if he had criticized his supporters for comparing Trump to Hitler. Trump has said he is rewriting his convention speech to be more uniting and less dividing.
It is hard to see how "It is time to put Trump in a bullseye" is not an incitement to violence when 5 days later someone does exactly that. That is certainly how it was viewed when Palin used what looked like scope cross hairs on a map of targeted elections.
You are exactly right, the investigation on who dropped the ball needs to be done outside of the SS.
Why was that rooftop not secured? The roofs of that group of buildings were the only plausible spots outside of the secured perimeter for an assassin that were elevated with a line of sight to the podium. It was an obvious security issue. For comparison, roughly 150 yards was about the same distance Oswald was from Kennedy. You'd have hoped the SS had a learning curve. SS on the ground and their snipers performed well, it was the failure to secure the venue close outside the perimeter where everyone was physically searched where things went wrong.
We would expect the SS is trying to figure out why they failed, for the first time since Reagan, to ensure nothing bad happened. Public accountability for the failure needs to come from outside the SS.
For a start the director should lose her job. A fundamental principle of management is that we can delegate the authority to act, but not the responsibility for those (in)actions.
It's not the abyss or the precipice that worries. It's the herd behind me being driven to this edge that is my chief concern.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ed19b06939c4f95e40087dffaf4efd8462ca5c54eda54761407266a3df948b3.jpg
Well Jim Bacon, you tried!
“I don’t (expletive) care that they have weapons, they’re not here to hurt me. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the (expletive) mags away. Let my people in,” said no one ever again. A little Sondheim for the moment…
When I heard about the assassination attempt, I thought of this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYnk8a–fXQ
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Great song…
MSNBC Pulls Morning Joe for today
"A person familiar with the matter told CNN that the decision was made to avoid a scenario in which one of the show’s stable of two dozen-plus guests might make an inappropriate comment on live television that could be used to assail the program and network as a whole."
Translation: Even after the murder of an innocent man, the almost fatal wounding of two others, and the near assassination of one of the two leading candidates for President, we can't trust the people we put on air to avoid making embarrassing, inappropriate, and stupid comments.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/media/msnbc-morning-joe-pulled-trump-assassination/index.html
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quoting CNN?
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Pick a news outlet. They've pretty much all reported it.
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reported a bump?
how much?-
What the heck is a bump?
Most news outlets have reported on MSNBC canceling this morning's "Morning Joe" show.
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Some serious questions being raised about the Secret Service's decisions.
Apparently, the real president (i.e., Jill Biden) was at an event on Saturday too and she ended up getting agents moved from Trump to her.
I'm not sure how much to trust these "sources" but maybe the Secret Service should be investigating themselves on this one.
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“Apparently, the real president (i.e., Jill Biden) was at an event on Saturday too and she ended up getting agents moved from Trump to her.”
You missed the whole part about Trump burning out the agents assigned to him and Jill did not move the agents, the office moved the agents. You think they take direction from her… 🤷♂️
Jack Black, an actor and recent guest of honor at one of Biden's bashes laughs when a friend declares, "don't miss Trump next time".
Joe Manchin on the abyss. Reinforces why I ditched party to be an independent.
“On both sides of the political spectrum, politics has become a race to the extremes. While it takes different forms on the right and the left, make no mistake, extremism is the driving force in both parties today. While each party seeks to serve the most ideological on each side, the sensible majority of America is being alienated and left behind,” the West Virginia senator said.
“Each day, we see increasingly violent language being used to demonize and villainize the other side. No room has been left for discussion or debate. Love of country has been replaced with hate for anyone who professes to support the other party,” he said.
Please do not repost the NC candidate's quote–it contains a racial slur in addition to other inappropriate comments..
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Fair enough. Guess we can’t post the current GOP VP candidate previous comments either for pretty much the same reasons. What a stellar representation of the party they are… eh? Gonna be quite a convention.
One day AFTER the attempted assassination of Donald Trump:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/07/donald-trump-democracy-dictator/679006/
One day.
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right on que…. yep……..
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And … AOC posts the day after an attempted assassination of Donald Trump about members of her own party resigning themselves to fascism if they believe Trump will win.
What wwas that Biden said about taking down the temperature?
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DJR, you're not participating in the "conservation"? 😉
Even Democratic Party Congressman Jared Golden sees the light. Good for him.
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I'm waiting to hear from Trump and Trump supporters.. and I KNOW we WILL!
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RFK, Jr.
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I hear ya. Don’t ya think that guy is a little “out there”?
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I noticed that MSNBC canceled Morning Joe today in favor of news coverage. From left to right, dump the talking heads and their wacko guests.
What we were taught in the Middle School unit on journalism – that a good journalist does not reveal his or her opinion in a news article/report – remains true today.
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